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Nicotine’s Effects on the Brain & Body & How to Quit Smoking or Vaping | Huberman Lab Podcast #90



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Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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where we discuss science and science-based tools
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for everyday life.
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I'm Andrew Huberman,
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and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology
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at Stanford School of Medicine.
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Today, we are discussing nicotine.
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Nicotine is one of the most commonly consumed substances
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on the entire planet.
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There are literally billions of people
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that ingest nicotine on a daily basis.
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Most of those people consume nicotine via smoking
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and in particular, smoking tobacco.
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Tobacco contains nicotine
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and it contains a bunch of other things as well,
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which we will talk about.
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And the burning of tobacco liberates nicotine
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and makes it accessible to the various cells
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and tissues of the body.
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But of course, there are other sources of nicotine as well.
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Some people consume nicotine through dip,
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that is placing tobacco on the inside of the lip
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or in the cheek.
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Some people consume nicotine via snuff,
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which is literally the shoving of tobacco leaves
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up the nostrils and allowing the tobacco
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to access the nervous system and other areas of the body
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by permeating into the mucosal membranes,
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as is the lining, the soft lining of the nasal passages.
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And of course, there are nicotine patches, nicotine gum,
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there's nicotine in pill form,
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there are toothpicks dipped in nicotine, et cetera.
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Today, we are going to separate our discussion of nicotine
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from a discussion of smoking and vaping
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and the other forms of delivery for nicotine.
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We will be talking about smoking and vaping
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and other routes of nicotine administration,
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both for sake of highlighting their detriments to health
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and believe it or not, in certain cases,
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keep in mind, very specific certain cases,
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the possible health benefits of delivering nicotine
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through specific modalities.
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It turns out those modalities
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do not include smoking cigarettes or vaping.
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And we are going to pay particular attention to vaping today
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because vaping use is on the rise,
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in particular in young people,
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and vaping use and the fact that most tobacco
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that's consumed through vaping
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includes quite amount of nicotine
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has created a scenario where nicotine,
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because of its ability to change certain chemicals
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in the brain, can actually lead to addiction
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for a number of other substances
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related to vaping and vaping-associated behaviors.
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If all of that seems like a lot to get your arms
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and your mind around right here at the outset,
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don't worry, I'll walk you through this,
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regardless of whether or not
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you have a background in biology or not,
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I promise that you'll come through
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at the end of this episode with a deep understanding
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of how nicotine works in the brain and body,
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some of its benefits, some of its potential drawbacks,
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and you will have clear optics
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as to why smoking and vaping
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and other forms of nicotine delivery
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have the effects that they do
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on your biology and psychology.
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Before we go any further,
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I just want to highlight a key takeaway
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from a previous episode,
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which is our episode on focus,
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and in fact was a toolkit for focus.
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So during the toolkit for focus episode,
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we talked about a large number of behavioral pharmacologic
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and other interventions that you can use
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to increase your level of concentration and focus
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for whatever purpose, cognitive endeavors,
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learning languages, focusing in school,
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on work, et cetera, or physical pursuits.
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Now, one of the key takeaways
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is that there are really two key protocols
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that I believe everyone should understand and know about
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and why they work, because they are so effective
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and also because they dovetail nicely
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with some of the information
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that we're going to talk about today,
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which will explain why nicotine
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is so effective in increasing focus.
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And these two protocols are as follows.
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Data based on studies done in Wendy Suzuki's lab
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at New York University.
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Of course, Wendy was a guest on this podcast,
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so you can check out that episode if you like,
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but studies done in her laboratory
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point to the fact that a daily, very brief,
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in fact, only 13 minute meditation
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can vastly increase focus and focus ability,
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not just immediately after the meditation practice,
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but at all other times as well.
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So again, this is a meditation practice done daily
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for just 13 minutes.
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It's a very simple meditation practice
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where one sits or lies down, closes your eyes,
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and directs your attention to a place
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just between your two eyes and right above it,
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so on your forehead, but just inside of that.
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And please understand that your brain
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does not have sensory receptors.
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So unlike focusing on your fingertips
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and the sensations there, if you focus on your brain,
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you can't actually sense anything in your brain
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except your thoughts.
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So the idea then is that you continually bring your focus
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back to that location just about an inch
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behind your forehead over and over again.
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And it's the refocusing of your attention to that location
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after it drifts that succeeds
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in increasing your focus ability,
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again, not just during the meditation and afterward,
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but at other times as well.
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So this 13 minute a day meditation is exceedingly simple
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and exceedingly effective.
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It should be performed every day,
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but if you miss a day, just go back to doing it,
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don't despair too much,
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and you will see these positive effects save the data,
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also increase effects on mood
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and other positive aspects of mental health and performance.
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So that's the first tool in protocol.
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The second tool in protocol relates to the general,
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what I call the aero model of focus.
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This was a model that I created in order to simplify
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the vast amounts of data on focus and concentration
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and how they are created by the various chemical systems
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within your brain.
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We're going to hear a lot about these chemical systems
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again today in the context of nicotine,
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and they are as follows.
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You can think about focus on any goal or any endeavor
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as an aero.
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So just imagine an aero which has an aero head and a shaft,
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and we'll add a third component to it in a moment.
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The head of the aero, meaning the direction of your focus
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is largely set by acetylcholine,
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which is a chemical in the brain.
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The shaft of the aero is set by a chemical called adrenaline,
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also called epinephrine.
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Those are the same thing.
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In the brain, typically, it's referred to as epinephrine,
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and in the body, it's more commonly referred to
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as adrenaline, but those are the same neurochemical.
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Epinephrine slash adrenaline represents the shaft
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of the aero, and it's providing the energy
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for which to focus.
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And then we can put behind that aero a little propeller
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or a motor, if you like.
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And the propeller or motor in the context
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of this neurochemistry model is dopamine,
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which provides ongoing motivation.
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It pushes that aero forward continually
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as you strive to focus on a particular thing.
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This particular aero model,
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that is your ability to increase your focus,
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can be enhanced, therefore,
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by increasing acetylcholine, epinephrine,
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and dopamine simultaneously.
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And there are a lot of different ways to do that,
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but one of the more effective ways to do that
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via supplement protocols is so-called alpha-GPC.
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Alpha-GPC taken in 300 milligram form,
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10 to 30 minutes before a bout of cognitive work
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or a bout of physical work will increase your focus
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by way of increasing acetylcholine and to some extent,
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increasing epinephrine as well.
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The dopamine increase will have to be achieved
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either through cognitive processing,
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that is telling yourself you're doing a good job
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and moving forward because thoughts really do impact
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your levels of dopamine, or some other sort of pro-dopamine
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or dopamine increasing protocol,
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also discussed in the toolkit for focus
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and our episode on dopamine for motivation and drive.
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So the key thing here to understand
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is that the 13 minute a day meditation
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is a very effective way to increase focus capacity.
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And then in the short term,
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if you want to provide a boost now and again to focus,
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300 milligrams of alpha-GPC can be very effective.
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There are various sources for that,
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then we'll link to one of them in the show note captions.
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By no means am I saying that you need to take alpha-GPC,
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a number of people will certainly opt not to,
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and a number of people might be saying,
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well, I've heard that alpha-GPC can increase focus
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by way of increasing acetylcholine and norepinephrine
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or epinephrine, but it can also increase TMAO,
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which is a kind of a negative marker of cardiac health
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and cardiovascular health.
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For that reason, I and many others will take 600 milligrams
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of a garlic capsule, which can offset that TMAO increase.
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It remains uncertain as to how much alpha-GPC
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one needs to take before increasing TMAO levels
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to a point where it's of concern
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that you would even need to take the garlic capsule.
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But I just mention it in any case
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because it's a pretty simple fix.
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Garlic has other health benefits too, of course.
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And for most people, 300 milligrams of alpha-GPC
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taken every once in a while.
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I certainly don't encourage people to take alpha-GPC
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every time they want to focus.
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I always emphasize behavioral tools first,
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then focusing on nutritional tools,
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and on occasion using supplement-based tools
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to encourage increased levels of focus.
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And then of course,
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there are a number of different prescription compounds
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that if you're working with a board certified physician,
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they could prescribe you if you need additional tools
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for focus, things like Ritalin, Adderall,
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Modafinil, Armodafinil, Vyvanse, et cetera,
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for many people are going to be important
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and maybe even necessary for people with ADHD, et cetera.
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But that's a category into itself.
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And as I always say, I'm not a physician,
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so I don't prescribe anything.
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I'm a professor, so I profess many things.
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And today, I just wanted to pass along
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or redirect your attention to that episode on focus
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and highlight those two tools,
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the 13-minute-a-day meditation
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and 300-milligram Alpha-GPC for increasing focus capacity
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and for acutely, that is temporarily,
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giving an additional boost for about a focus.
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And of course, if you choose not to use those protocols,
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that's perfectly fine too.
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There's certainly no obligation.
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They are simply available to you
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should you choose to try them.
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And if nothing else, you now have in mind
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the neurochemistry of acetylcholine,
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epinephrine slash adrenaline, and dopamine,
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and that will really set the stage for understanding
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just how effective and why nicotine is so effective
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at increasing focus, motivation,
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and even, as you'll soon hear,
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working memory and cognitive capacity.
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Before we begin, I'd like to emphasize
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that this podcast is separate
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from my teaching and research roles at Stanford.
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It is, however, part of my desire and effort
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to bring zero cost to consumer information
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about science and science-related tools
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to the general public.
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In keeping with that theme,
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I'd like to thank the sponsors of today's podcast.
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And to be quite direct, I do not like the word nootropics
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And to be direct, again,
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there is no such thing as a smart drug.
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That is, there's no such thing as a drug
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because there is no circuit in the brain for being smart.
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Let's talk about nicotine
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and how nicotine impacts our brains, our bodies,
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our mental performance, our mental health,
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our physical performance, and our physical health.
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And once again, I want to remind everybody
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that we really need to separate out
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a discussion about nicotine
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from the discussion about the delivery device for nicotine.
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In other words, when we're talking about nicotine,
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we are not necessarily talking about smoking,
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although we might be.
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There are things associated with smoking and with vaping
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and other means of getting nicotine into our system
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that have their own effects,
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both negative and in some cases, positive.
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Indeed, later we will talk about
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how you can actually use nicotine
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to get over smoking addiction.
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This won't come as a surprise to many people,
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but what perhaps will come as a surprise
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is the fact that many people
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actually use nicotine-like substances or nicotine itself
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in order to relieve nicotine addiction.
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So we'll talk about that and what that looks like
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and offer various protocols for you later in the episode.
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I also want to mention here at the outset
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that I have a longstanding interest in nicotine.
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In fact, early in my scientific career,
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I did research on nicotine and its role in brain development
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and I've had a longstanding interest in neuroplasticity,
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the brain's ability to change in response to experience.
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And so experiments that have been done by close colleagues
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and friends of mine have really emphasized the fact
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that acetylcholine and in particular,
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when acetylcholine activates so-called nicotinic receptors,
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something you'll learn more about in a little bit,
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that can actually serve as a gateway or a trigger
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for directed rewiring of the brain.
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So this is fascinating.
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We think of nicotine as something that we take,
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but actually we have receptors,
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that is locations in the brain
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to which nicotine binds and can exert its effects.
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And those receptors did not come about
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because of the existence of tobacco
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or the existence of vaping pens
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or because of the existence of anything in the outside world.
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The fact that there are nicotinic receptors
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in our brain and body tells you that acetylcholine
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and nicotine themselves have very important roles
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in normal brain and body function.
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So much so that I often like to point to an anecdote
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of a very well-known Nobel prize-winning neuroscientist.
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I won't reveal who they are.
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They're not a faculty member at Stanford,
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but many neuroscientists know of this person
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and many people in the outside world know of this person.
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And they are also well-known for their love of nicotine.
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I once sat in this person's office and he,
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I will reveal that as a he,
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consumed no fewer than three pieces of nicotine gum
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during that relatively short conversation
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of about 45 minutes.
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And that was surprising to me.
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And I asked him why he was taking so much nicotine
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through nicotine gum.
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And he replied that for years he had been a chronic smoker,
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which on the one hand had greatly impaired
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his cardiovascular health and his fitness,
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no surprise there.
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And we'll talk a little bit more about
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what the underlying reasons are.
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But most everyone, if not everyone knows
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that smoking cigarettes or smoking in general
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really impairs lung health.
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There's just simply no question about it.
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There are some more or less unhealthy ways to smoke,
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but the quite honest message is that smoking of any kind
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is going to disrupt lung endothelial function,
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lung function, blood vessels, and so forth.
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It's going to make it harder to breathe with vigor,
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take deep breaths, deliver oxygen to tissues, et cetera.
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That said, he also pointed out
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that the data on nicotine specifically
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are pointing to the fact that nicotine can be,
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can be protective against certain forms
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of cognitive impairment.
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And that is why he continued to chew
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nicotine containing gum.
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And he swore by the focus enhancing
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and motivation enhancing effects
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of nicotine containing gum.
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Now that is not a call to arms for you to run out
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and start chewing or consuming nicotine containing products.
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We will talk about those products later in the episode,
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some of their potential advantages,
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some of their potential disadvantages.
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Now I share this anecdote because it nicely separates
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nicotine from the delivery device
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through which nicotine arrives.
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Now, I haven't talked to this individual in a few years
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to see whether or not the nicotine is working
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to stave off any kind of Alzheimer's or neurodegenerative
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or cognitive impairment that would come with age.
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This gentleman is getting up in the years
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and seems quite sharp nonetheless,
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but then again was always exceedingly sharp.
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The point is nicotine is a substance
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that can both promote cognitive function
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and under some conditions if taken to inappropriate
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or I should say to extreme dosages
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can also impair cognitive function.
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So today we really need to have a nuanced conversation
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about nicotine.
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One that includes some of the benefits,
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some of the drawbacks in particular for children,
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certainly for people that are pregnant,
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for people that have addictive tendencies
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and for people that have depression
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and any other kind of mood disorders.
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What I will tell you soon is that nicotine
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can be very powerful as a mood modulator
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and many people who have tried to quit nicotine,
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mainly through the form of smoking,
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will find that their mood can drop substantially.
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So nicotine does a lot of things in the brain and body
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and so I'd like to begin by talking about
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what exactly nicotine is
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and how it impacts your brain and body.
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So what is nicotine and where is it found?
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Obviously nicotine is found in the tobacco plant,
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but nicotine is also found in nightshades,
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that is tomatoes, eggplants and sweet peppers.
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Although the concentrations of nicotine
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in tomatoes, eggplants and sweet peppers
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is vastly lower than it is in the tobacco plant.
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You actually can also find nicotine in potatoes.
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Now, why is nicotine present in potatoes and tomatoes
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and in the tobacco plant at all?
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Well, nicotine is a plant alkaloid,
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we'll get into alkaloids a little bit later,
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but it is thought that these alkaloids evolved in plants
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as a way to prevent insects from eating them.
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And without going into a lot of insect biology,
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the reason or the rationale behind this explanation
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is that nicotine is not only a substance in tobacco
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that people use or in the various medications
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that people use, but it's also used as a pesticide
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because it can dramatically disrupt
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the nervous system of insects.
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It can render them infertile,
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which is not to say that it renders humans infertile.
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I want to say again, it is not the case
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that nicotine renders humans infertile,
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but it can make certain insects infertile.
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It can actually disrupt their motor function
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and their brain function.
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And the reasons that it has such different effects
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on insects, in other words, it can kill them
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or prevent them from reproducing
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and therefore explains why plants probably evolved
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to have this plant alkaloid, nicotine.
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In humans, because of the differences
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in receptors for nicotine,
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where they're located in the types of receptors,
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the effects of nicotine on humans is quite a bit different.
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And again, it does not cause infertility in humans.
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Although I will talk a little bit later
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about some double-blind peer-reviewed studies
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conducted in humans that indicate that, for instance,
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nicotine can reduce penile girth,
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that is the girth of the penis,
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and can lead to certain forms of sexual dysfunction.
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And those changes are largely downstream
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of changes in blood flow and endothelial cell function.
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Endothelial cells are the cells
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that make up blood vessels and other vascular-type tissues
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within the brain and body.
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So nicotine is found in these plants.
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And what we can know for sure
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is that at some point in human evolution,
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somebody or some group of people,
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either, and here I'm completely guessing,
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it's a just-so story,
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but someone or some group must have inhaled the smoke
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from the tobacco plant
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or put the dried leaves of the tobacco plant
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against some mucosal tissue,
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any of the different mucosal linings of their body
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by which substances can pass through, that's right.
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Any of the mucosal soft-lining tissues of the body
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will allow certain substances,
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not all certain substances, to pass in.
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That's why people can put tobacco in their mouth
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and a certain amount of nicotine
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makes it into the bloodstream,
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put tobacco up their nose,
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certain amount of nicotine gets into the bloodstream.
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I haven't heard of people putting tobacco
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in other orifices of their body,
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containing mucosal tissue,
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and I'm certainly not suggesting people do that,
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but you get the idea
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and how nicotine gets from these plants,
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these dried leaves, into the bloodstream.
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Burning tobacco leads to a heat-induced change
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in the availability of nicotine,
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and this is why smoking tobacco or vaping tobacco
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simply by heating it up allows the nicotine to be liberated
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and go into the bloodstream
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simply by inhaling it into the lungs.
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We will get back to smoking of various kinds later,
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but right now let's just keep our attention
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on how nicotine is pulled from these plants
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and into the human body.
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Now, whether by inhalation
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or whether or not by placing it in contact
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with the mucosal tissue of the mouth
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or other mucosal-containing orifice of the body,
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the nicotine then gets into the bloodstream.
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And once it's in the bloodstream,
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it only exerts its effects
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because it binds to certain so-called nicotinic receptors.
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Okay, so the nicotinic receptors
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are of the acetylcholinergic variety.
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I know this is a lot to think about and a lot to hear
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if you haven't heard about this,
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but it's actually quite simple.
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Anyone can understand this.
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Acetylcholin is a molecule, a chemical that is,
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that's released in the brain and body,
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and when it binds to receptors,
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that is little parking spots on cells,
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it changes the way those cells behave.
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Those cells can increase their activity
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and release other chemicals.
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They can become electrically active.
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They can do any number of different things.
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When we ingest nicotine, it gets into the bloodstream,
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and eventually some of that will get into the brain
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and some of it gets into the body.
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And in both the brain and body,
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there are these so-called nicotinic acetylcholine receptors.
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Now the so-called family, and indeed they are a family,
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this is how we refer to groups of receptors
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of related design and genetic background, just like humans.
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You have a family of these acetylcholine receptors
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that are of the nicotinic variety.
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So, you know, maybe on one street in your neighborhood,
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you know the Joneses on another street,
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you know the Chows on another street.
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Well, in your body,
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you have the nicotinic acetylcholine receptors,
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and then you have the so-called
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muscarinic acetylcholine receptors.
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Today it's really simple.
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Nicotine only binds to the nicotinic acetylcholine receptors
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and there are a bunch of different ones
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on a bunch of different tissues.
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And the differences in those receptors
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dictate what sorts of effects
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the nicotine will have on those tissues.
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So let's talk about what those effects are
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and let's do that by dividing the effects of nicotine
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into effects on the brain,
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so everything from the neck up and on the body,
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the so-called central nervous system and the periphery.
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Although I want to point out that your spinal cord
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is part of the central nervous system,
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so in fairness to the reality,
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your brain and spinal cord are all central nervous system,
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everything else is considered the periphery.
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Now, there are a lot of different
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nicotinic acetylcholine receptors,
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but for those of you that want to know,
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you have aficionados,
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or if you're ultra curious about this,
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the main effects of nicotine in the brain
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are mediated by nicotine binding
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to the so-called alpha-4 beta-2 receptor,
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alpha-4 beta-2 receptor.
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Even if you don't care about receptor subtypes,
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that's going to come up later when we discuss
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why nicotine suppresses appetite.
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In fact, one of the major reasons
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why people don't want to quit smoking
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or they quit smoking or another form of ingesting nicotine
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and then they relapse, they go back to smoking
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or ingesting nicotine in some other way
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is because indeed nicotine will increase metabolism
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and reduce hunger in large part
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by binding to this alpha-4 beta-2 receptor
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in a particular area of the brain.
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We're going to return to that in a little bit,
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but if you've ever heard that nicotine kills the appetite,
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indeed it does.
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It's not the behavior of smoking itself,
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it's not because you always have a cigarette in your mouth
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that you're not eating more food,
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although I suppose that might be a minor effect.
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There are direct effects of nicotine on both appetite,
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that is it reduces appetite,
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and direct effects on metabolism,
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that is it increases metabolism
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through its effects on some other areas
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of the brain and body we'll talk about in a moment.
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And within the brain,
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nicotine binds to this alpha-4 beta-2 receptor
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in various locations in the brain.
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And there are three and maybe a fourth
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that we'll talk about neurochemical effects of nicotine
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after you ingest it.
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First things first, when you ingest nicotine
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by smoking nicotine containing tobacco,
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or if you place tobacco in contact with the mucosal lining
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of the nasal passages of the mouth,
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it takes about two to 15 minutes
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for that nicotine to enter the bloodstream.
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Smoking hits the bloodstream faster,
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vaping even faster, I should mention,
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for a variety of reasons,
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and placing tobacco directly in contact
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with the mucosal lining is going to be the slowest.
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Now, as I mentioned before,
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nicotine gets into the bloodstream,
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and then because nicotine can pass
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through the so-called blood-brain barrier, the BBB,
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which is basically a fence around the brain,
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because it can pass through the blood-brain barrier,
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it's going to have very rapid effects on the brain
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in these four major categories of neurochemicals
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and neural circuits.
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The first of those categories,
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and this is a very important one,
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this is one that was brought up in the episode
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on dopamine motivation and drive,
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and I think not just all scientists,
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but all human beings should know that within their brain,
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they have what is called the mesolimbic reward pathway.
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The mesolimbic reward pathway,
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if you just want to call it the dopamine reward pathway,
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is, as the name suggests,
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a set of connections between a brain area
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called the ventral tegmental area.
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You don't have to remember the names of these things,
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of course, but if you want to, that's fine too.
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The ventral tegmental area, or VTA,
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connects to another area called the nucleus accumbens.
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Now, here's what's very important.
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Nicotine triggers the release of dopamine
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from the nucleus accumbens.
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This is what gives nicotine its rewarding properties.
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It increases motivation.
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It tends to give a not so subtle,
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but very transient increase in feelings of wellbeing
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and alertness and motivation,
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and that's because of the increase in dopamine
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caused by nicotine directly within the nucleus accumbens.
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Nicotine also triggers the release of certain neurochemicals
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from the ventral tegmental area itself,
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and those impinge on nucleus accumbens
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and increase dopamine levels further.
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This is what makes the rewarding properties,
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or sometimes referred to as the reinforcing properties
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of nicotine, so powerful.
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This is why so many billions of people ingest nicotine
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in one form or another.
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It's also why nicotine is so hard to quit,
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because there's a potent increase in dopamine
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from multiple neural circuit pathways
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within this mesolimbic reward circuitry.
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Now, within the mesolimbic reward circuitry,
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there's an interesting feature.
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There are accelerators that essentially
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push out more dopamine, get more dopamine released,
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and there are breaks of the so-called GABAergic variety.
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GABA is an inhibitory neurotransmitter.
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You don't need to know too much about it
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to just understand that nicotine both increases dopamine,
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but also decreases the activity of GABA,
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and so this is like pushing on the accelerator for dopamine,
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but also removing the break.
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So there's a two-pronged effect of nicotine
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on reinforcement reward dopamine-related pathways,
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the feel-good motivation pathways,
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and that is an increase in dopamine
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and a decrease in GABA,
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and again, that's all mediated
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through this mesolimbic reward pathway
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involving the ventral tegmental area
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and the nucleus accumbens.
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So if you can conceptualize
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even just 5% of what I just told you,
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or even if you can just remember,
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nicotine increases dopamine,
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and that's why it feels so good.
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It makes you want more of it.
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You will have everything you need to know in mind
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in order to understand both why nicotine is so highly used
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and indeed abused, why it's so hard to quit,
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and that will point to avenues
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as to how to quit or reduce intake,
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and it also points to how nicotine can actually be used
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in an antidepressant way should you choose,
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and we will talk about what the various criteria are
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for choosing that,
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but just understand nicotine increases motivation,
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it decreases negative feelings of mood,
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it increases positive feelings of mood and motivation.
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Before we continue with today's discussion,
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The second major effect that nicotine has in the brain
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is that it increases acetylcholine.
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Acetylcholine is a neuromodulator
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that exists in you and me.
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It is released from multiple sites in the brain,
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and the two major sites are the nucleus basalis.
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So these are a collection of neurons
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in the front and base of your brain
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and from some brain stem areas,
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and there are a bunch of different ones back there
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in your brain stem, which is indeed in the back,
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that release acetylcholine.
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That include the locus coeruleus as kind of a minor site,
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the pedunculopontine nucleus.
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There are a bunch of these different areas,
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the parabigeminal nucleus.
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There are a bunch of these things back there.
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We don't have to go into all the names,
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but just understand that there are little pockets
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of neurons, nerve cells, located in the front and the back
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and to some extent in the middle of your brain,
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but really in the front and the back of your brain
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that can serve two major roles.
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Here they are.
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Acetylcholine released from nucleus basalis
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leads to a sort of spotlighting or highlighting
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of particular neural circuits in the brain.
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What do I mean by this?
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Well, let's say you're working on a puzzle.
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Let's say it's a cognitive puzzle.
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Maybe you're doing a word puzzle,
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or nowadays I've heard of this wordle thing.
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I'm on Twitter and people are always posting
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their wordle thing, and I have no idea what it is,
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but I'm guessing it's some sort of puzzle.
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I'm guessing it's like a crossword puzzle,
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and here, if I'm wrong, I don't know, educate me.
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Tell me what wordle is.
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Somebody put it in the comments
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and tell me if I should play it or not.
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Here's the deal.
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When acetylcholine is released from nucleus basalis,
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the neurons are there in the base of the brain,
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but they extend axons,
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which are like little wires elsewhere in the brain,
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and when acetylcholine is released,
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it tends to be released at particular locations in the brain
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that are associated with whatever activity
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we happen to be doing.
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So if I'm doing wordle,
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here I'm talking about it as if I've ever done it,
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doing a crossword puzzle or wordle,
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well, the neurons that we're involved in
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trying to figure out the solution to that wordle
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or crossword puzzle are active,
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and then acetylcholine is released from the little wires,
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the little endings of these cells in nucleus basalis,
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and all of a sudden, those neural circuits get a boost.
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They become more active, and believe it or not,
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our ability to perform that crossword puzzle,
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or at least focus on that wordle or crossword puzzle,
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gets enhanced.
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It literally increases.
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Our attention for that and not anything else is enhanced.
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So it's literally like a neurochemical attentional spotlight.
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Nicotine increases acetylcholine and thereby
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focus and concentration and mental performance,
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not by changing the neural circuits
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that are activated per se,
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but rather by making more acetylcholine available
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at those release sites.
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So it's as if the spotlighter got more intense.
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The highlighter is more intense than it would be otherwise.
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And I should also mention
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because of the so-called pharmacokinetics,
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the time course in which nicotine has its effects,
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which are pretty short-lived,
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talk about those in a moment,
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this enhancement in cognitive performance and attention
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is going to be very transient,
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probably on the order of about 30, maybe 45 minutes.
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The half-life of nicotine,
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depending on how it's ingested
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and whether or not you have food in the gut
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and what else is in the bloodstream, et cetera,
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it's going to be anywhere from one to two hours.
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But typically the effects of nicotine will come on
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in about two to 15 minutes, as I mentioned before,
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and then will last anywhere from about 30 to 45 minutes.
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This is why in the old days,
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and still to some extent in certain areas of the world,
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but less so in the United States
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and certainly in Europe as well,
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we don't see quite as many people smoking cigarettes
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for reasons we can discuss later,
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but you would see these chain smokers
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who are trying to maintain constant levels
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of nicotine in their brain and bloodstream.
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Now, perhaps they didn't know
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that nicotine has this one to two hour half-life,
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but they could sense, no doubt,
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the cognitive and the physical effects of nicotine,
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including this cognitive enhancement effect
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and highlighting of the neural circuits effect.
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And they would notice, they would smoke a cigarette,
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and then for the next five to 45 minutes
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have heightened focus,
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and then it would start to drop off,
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so they smoke another cigarette.
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So in other words, they're trying to maintain
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a constant level of nicotine
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for whatever activities they needed to perform.
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Obviously chain smoking,
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because of the terrible effects of smoking,
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I'll talk about those terrible effects,
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but I'm sure you've heard of them before,
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cancer, depletion of just about every organ and body tissue
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to the point that it can actually be measured
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how many years of your life you're peeling off
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in terms of lifespan and healthspan by smoking.
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Well, the terrible effects of smoking are indisputable,
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but the positive effects of nicotine on this circuitry
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are part of the reason why people would chain smoke
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in the first place,
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rather than get one big peak of concentration and focus
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and then just let it disappear after 45 minutes.
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Okay, so what we have is a scenario
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where dopamine is going up in the mesolimbic pathway.
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That's why smoking or ingesting nicotine in any other way
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feels good and makes us feel motivated.
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And then the increase in acetylcholine,
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especially from nucleus basalis in the front of the brain
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is the reason why it can increase our ability
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to focus on particular types of endeavors,
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particular mental work that we're doing,
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or maybe even particular physical work.
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Although I should mention anytime I'm pairing
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the words nicotine and physical work,
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it's obvious that because of the ways
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that smoking impairs lung function,
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those two things really run counter to one another.
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In other words, if you are thinking about ingesting nicotine
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through smoking or vaping
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in order to improve physical performance,
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that's a terrible idea.
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The logic isn't there
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and the health detriments are certainly there.
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The third neurochemical pathway that's strongly activated
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when nicotine is brought into the central nervous system,
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into the brain is epinephrine or in particular norepinephrine
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which is related to epinephrine.
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Now, earlier I said epinephrine is the same as adrenaline.
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That's still true.
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Norepinephrine is closely related to epinephrine.
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And for today's discussion,
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we're going to use them interchangeably.
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Although I realize as I say that,
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that the medical students and some biology students
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are probably going to have a minor seizure
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when I lump norepinephrine and epinephrine.
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I don't do that to be too much of a lumper.
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In science, we talk about lumpers and splitters.
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Lumpers are people that like to oversimplify a little bit.
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Splitters are people that really like to detail.
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You'll see a lot of splitters on social media
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from time to time.
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They'll say, wait, you know,
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you didn't mention the alpha-2 beta-6 receptor subunit.
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Okay, look, I get it.
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And I am all for having splitters in the room.
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But for sake of today's discussion
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and for ease of digestibility of some of this,
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just want to point out that norepinephrine, epinephrine,
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and adrenaline, I'm going to treat as a common pool
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of similar, in fact, very similar molecules
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that all have the same net effect,
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at least in the context of this discussion.
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And that's to increase levels of alertness,
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energy, and arousal.
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And the way that nicotine accomplishes those increases
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in alertness and arousal and energy within the brain
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is by triggering the release of norepinephrine
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from a little cluster of neurons in the back of the brain
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called locus coeruleus, tiny cluster of neurons
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that offers up, or I should say has,
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because they're always there from birth,
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has these little wires, these axons that extend many,
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many places in the brain, not every place,
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but virtually every place and can sprinkler the brain
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with norepinephrine and essentially serve
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as a wake-up signal, elevating levels of energy.
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And when that combines with the acetylcholine
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from nucleus basalis,
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which causes attentional spotlighting,
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increases in concentration and focus,
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and with the feel-good properties of dopamine
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and the motivating properties of dopamine released
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from the mesolimbic reward pathway,
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now you can start to get a picture
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of why nicotine is such a powerful molecule.
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It's making people feel motivated and good.
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It's making people feel focused
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and it makes people feel alert
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when they would otherwise feel a little bit sleepy.
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So this is a really powerful compound.
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In fact, going back to our earlier discussion
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about focus and some tools for focus,
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and I encourage you, if you're interested,
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to please check out the episode on focus.
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There are a number of different tools
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and protocols there to increase focus,
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but here we're talking about one molecule, nicotine,
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found in plants like tomatoes and potatoes
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and the tobacco plant,
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and it can be synthesized in a laboratory
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and ingested through a patch or a gum or even a pill
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or a toothpick dipped in nicotine.
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One molecule that can trigger activation
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of all the circuits for focus and motivation
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in one fell swoop.
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That is remarkable.
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That is absolutely remarkable.
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And here we haven't even touched
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on some of the psychological components of focus, right?
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Whether or not we're interested in something,
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whether or not we're excited about it or not.
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This is a very, very powerful system.
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So powerful, in fact,
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that I think we can really place nicotine right up there
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at the top, right next to caffeine
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as the molecule that has fundamentally changed
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human evolution, human consciousness, and human experience.
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Even if you're somebody who's never ingested nicotine,
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this absolutely has to be true
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because you have these nicotinic receptors,
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which is to say that acetylcholine that's naturally released
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without any external trigger within your brain and body,
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or I should say without any trigger from nicotine
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in particular,
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is binding these nicotinic acetylcholine receptors
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and is creating these effects in your brain and body.
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It's just absolutely staggering.
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Now, earlier I mentioned the appetite suppressing
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and indeed metabolism increasing effects of nicotine.
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And while that's a fairly niche component
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of what nicotine does, I mean, it's an important one,
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but it's not the major reason
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why most people consume nicotine.
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I'd like to take a moment and talk about that now
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because we are in the brain
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and we're talking about the effects of nicotine in the brain
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and so it seems to me the appropriate time
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to talk about this.
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Now, we can have this conversation about nicotine
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and appetite and metabolism
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in a very simple and straightforward way.
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If you'd like to learn more about the biology of metabolism
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and appetite and how those things are mediated
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by neural components,
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so not just stuff like your liver, et cetera,
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we have episodes on that,
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but really the neural components of hunger and appetite.
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I encourage you to check out our episode
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on hunger and appetite.
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But in that episode, we had a discussion
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and it's one that I'll just briefly summarize now
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that you have a collection of neurons
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that sits right above the roof of your mouth or so
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called the hypothalamus.
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Hypo means below and thalamus is right above it,
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hypothalamus.
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So the small collection of neurons in the hypothalamus
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do a number of different things related to sex behavior,
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aggression, mediating the temperature of your body, et cetera,
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but also appetite and suppressing appetite.
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And within the hypothalamus,
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there's a compact collection of these little neurons,
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which are referred to as the POMC, P-O-M-C neurons.
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And the name comes from the fact
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that they express certain peptides
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and we won't get into that now,
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but the POMC neurons have a very profound impact
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on whether or not you feel hungry
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or whether or not you do not feel hungry,
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whether or not your appetite is suppressed.
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It turns out that when nicotine gets into the bloodstream
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and then into the brain,
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some of that nicotine binds to nicotinic alpha-4 beta-2
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containing nicotinic receptors.
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Again, these subunits are receptors,
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but basically the nicotine binds
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to one of those parking spots, parks there.
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And as a consequence, these POMC, P-O-M-C neurons
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increase their electrical activity
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and appetite is suppressed.
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And that's because the POMC neurons have outputs
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to various areas of the brain and body
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controlling everything from how full we feel
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to whether or not our blood sugar goes up or down,
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which can impact our hunger.
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And believe it or not,
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whether or not we have a tendency
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to want to move the jaw of our mouth in order to chew food.
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Yes, believe it or not,
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the neural circuitry associated with appetite
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and suppression of appetite
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actually dictates whether or not you prefer to,
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or I should say are more biased or less biased
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to moving your mouth, that is chewing,
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which makes perfect sense when you hear it, right?
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One way to suppress appetite is to sew the jaw shut neurally
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or at least make it less likely to open your mouth
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and put food in it.
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Actually, that reminds me of a story.
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I'll just interrupt myself to tell a brief story,
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that there's a famous Nobel Laureate
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who won the Nobel Prize
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for something totally distant from appetite,
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but once turned to a friend of mine at a meeting and said,
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I discovered the biological mechanism for losing weight.
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And my friend said, well, of course,
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it's a ingest fewer calories than you burn, right?
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Calories in, calories out,
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fundamental rule of thermodynamics
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and basically the fundamental rule
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of weight loss, weight gain, or weight maintenance.
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And he said, no, it's actually the gene
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that controls whether or not you open your mouth.
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Now he was making a very nerdy joke.
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So if you didn't register that as a joke,
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that's about as funny as neuroscience or biology jokes get.
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There are a couple of funnier ones,
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but that one's kind of considered on the funnier side.
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So this is why we're not considered comedians.
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But the point of the matter is that
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whether or not you crave or desire
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or impulsively want to put things in your mouth and chew it
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will actually dictate how many calories that you eat.
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And so I find it remarkable and indeed important to know
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that these POMC neurons are actually inhibiting
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the opening and the movement of the mouth for chewing.
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So when we smoke or when we ingest nicotine
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in any other way, you activate these POMC neurons,
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you suppress appetite, but in part,
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you do that by actually limiting the impulse to chew.
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Incredible, at least to me.
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Now, in addition to limiting appetite
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by changing one's desire to ingest food and chew it
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and actual craving of food
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by regulation of blood sugar, et cetera,
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there do seem to be some quite direct effects
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of nicotine on metabolism.
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And the effects on metabolism aren't enormous.
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These are increases in metabolism
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that are about 2% up to about 5%.
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But I want to emphasize that those are transient increases
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in metabolism.
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Nonetheless, people that quit smoking often find
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that their appetite goes up.
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They sometimes gain weight.
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They sometimes do not, depending on whether or not
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they offset that increase in appetite
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with increased physical exercise
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or with decreased food intake in other ways.
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But there does seem to be this direct effect
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of ingesting nicotine on metabolism,
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which I find is interesting
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because if you look in the literature,
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one of the reasons why people are reluctant
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to quit ingesting nicotine,
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if for instance, they want to quit using the delivery device
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to nicotine that's causing such problems for their health,
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like smoking or vaping,
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or whether or not they find themselves quote unquote
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addicted to or have the habit of ingesting nicotine,
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in part that's likely due to be the dopamine effects, right?
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Because dopamine is highly reinforcing and rewarding.
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It feels good, so people want to do more of it.
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But it's also that for many people,
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and here the data really points to the fact
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that a lot of the younger female smokers
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or younger female vapers,
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or when I say that, of course,
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I mean younger females that vape are doing that
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because they like the appetite suppressing effects,
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which of course opens up an entire conversation
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about the sociology of body imagery, et cetera,
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a topic for a future podcast.
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Okay, so nicotine has certain effects on the brain
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by virtue of the fact that nicotine binds
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these nicotinic acetylcholine receptors,
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and those receptors are found on some,
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but not all neural circuits within the brain.
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And we talked about some of them already,
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mesolimbic, the POMC neurons, et cetera.
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Now, when we ingest nicotine,
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it goes from the bloodstream
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to all the tissues and organs of the body.
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How does it do that?
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I mean, amazing.
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It can pass to everything, the brain, the body.
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It does that because nicotine is fat soluble.
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And now when anytime people hear the word fat,
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they tend to think about body fat, subcutaneous fat,
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or maybe they think about dietary fat.
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What I mean by fat soluble in the context
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of nicotine being fat soluble is that the cells
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of your body have an outer layer, so-called outer membrane,
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and it's made up of lipid, of fat,
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very particular types of lipids in fact.
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Nicotine has this remarkable ability
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to move through that fatty tissue.
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Not all molecules have that ability, but nicotine does.
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So it can move relatively freely through the brain and body
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and relatively freely from outside of cells,
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extracellular space to intracellular space.
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So it can get into cells.
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It can do that with the brain.
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We talked about those effects
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and it can do that within the body.
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Now, anytime we're talking about the body,
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we can be talking about any number of things,
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but today I'm going to refer to the periphery and the body
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in more or less the same way,
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but keep in mind in the back of your head, pun intended,
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you have your brain, your eyes, and the spinal cord,
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and those three things make up your central nervous system.
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The peripheral nervous system and the periphery,
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which is the rest of your body,
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that contain your organs and so forth
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outside of the nervous system,
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things like your liver and your stomach, et cetera,
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that's what we're going to talk about now,
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because nicotine has profound effects
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on the organs of the body that are separate from,
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but that occur in parallel at the same time
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as the effects of nicotine on the brain.
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So let's talk about what some of those effects are.
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When nicotine makes it into the bloodstream,
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again, within two to 15 minutes of ingesting it,
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depending on the delivery device,
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your heart rate will increase,
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blood pressure will increase,
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and the contractibility of the heart tissue
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will actually increase.
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So what that essentially speaks to
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is an increase in so-called sympathetic tone.
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And when I say that, I don't mean an increase in sympathy
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for others of the emotional sort.
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What I mean is an increase in the sympathetic activity
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of the sympathetic arm of the autonomic nervous system,
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which is a real mouthful and mindful of ideas,
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but all you need to know is that it's a generalized system
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that increases levels of alertness and physical readiness.
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So it makes you ready for action,
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makes you ready for thought.
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It's balanced by a whole other system
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called the parasympathetic nervous system,
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which is basically the so-called rest and digest system,
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which is a system of neurons and organs, et cetera,
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that put your body and your brain into a state
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of not being able to think clearly,
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to digest and to fall asleep.
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Okay, so nicotine increases heart rate, blood pressure,
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and contractibility of the heart.
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So it's going to cause more blood flow in theory,
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although it also tends to constrict blood vessels
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in many locations in the body.
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This explains the decrease in penile girth effect
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of nicotine, in particular,
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nicotine ingested by smoking or vaping.
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That's right, smoking and vaping reduces penis size,
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and also will have damaging effects
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on the bloodlining endothelial tissue.
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So over time, it actually is impairing blood's ability
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to get to the penis chronically,
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as well as to other organs of the body.
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But when people ingest nicotine acutely,
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and let's say they do that by Nicorette patch
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or by toothpick dipped in nicotine,
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it will have some of these same effects.
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But when not smoking tobacco,
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when bringing nicotine into the bloodstream
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through other mechanisms,
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many, if not all of the disruption
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of the endothelial cell function can be bypassed.
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But the effects on penile girth,
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the effects on reducing blood flow to various tissues
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is still present during the effects of nicotine,
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which as I mentioned, last about one to two hours.
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The half-life is about one to two hours,
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depending on the number of factors.
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Not interesting for today's discussion.
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So when nicotine gets into the bloodstream,
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it's making us more alert.
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It's preparing our body for readiness.
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The heart is pumping harder.
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Epinephrine, that is adrenaline,
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is released from the adrenal glands,
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which ride atop our kidneys.
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So everything is pointed toward creating more readiness
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to move, more readiness to think.
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And again, this is happening in parallel
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with all the effects of neurochemistry
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that are happening with the brain
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that we talked about a few minutes ago.
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And what's interesting about nicotine
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is that while it causes this global increase in readiness
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and alertness and attention and mood, et cetera,
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it also has the effect of somewhat relaxing skeletal muscle.
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Now that might seem counterintuitive
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to those of you out there that already know,
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what I'm about to tell the rest of you
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who didn't know it previously,
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that your muscles are able to contract
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because of the effects of acetylcholine
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released from neurons in your spinal cord
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that spit out acetylcholine onto the muscle
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and bind to what?
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Nicotinic acetylcholine receptors, put into plain English,
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nicotinic receptors are also the ways
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in which your muscles can get activated.
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So therefore, why would it be that increasing nicotine
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would cause relaxation of the muscles?
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And that has to do with some of the neural circuits
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that are upstream of the muscles.
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And it has to do with a little bit
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of how the autonomic nervous system
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is arranged in terms of which receptors go where.
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A topic and kind of rabbit hole of conversation,
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far too deep for right now,
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at least in the context of this already
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somewhat detailed discussion of the effects of nicotine.
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But if we were to zoom out
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and just think about the effects of nicotine,
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we now have a very clear picture.
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Reward pathways are turned on, attention is turned on,
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alertness is turned on.
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You feel better than you felt a few minutes ago.
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Your blood pressure is up.
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Your heart rate is up.
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Your preparedness for thinking is elevated as well.
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And yet your body is somewhat relaxed.
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That's a very interesting state of mind and body.
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Interesting because it's somewhat ideal for cognitive work.
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If you were going to sit down and work on a book,
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or you're going to sit down
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and try and figure out a hard math problem,
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or you're going to write a letter
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that's been really challenging for you to write,
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or maybe that you're really excited to write,
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but that you've been slow to get out the door
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for whatever reason.
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Here I'm talking about my own habits of procrastination.
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Well, that state of being very alert
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but your body being relaxed
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is almost if not the optimal state
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for getting mental work done.
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Because if you're feeling agitated in your body
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and you want to physically move your body,
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it's very hard to do cognitive work,
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at least the sorts of cognitive work
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that involve typing or writing or these sorts of things.
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It's also the exact opposite of the optimal state
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for physical performance,
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which is one of, yes, also alertness.
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Yes, also motivation and elevated mood.
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That's all wonderful stuff to have in mind, literally,
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when you are exercising or competing in sport
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or something of that sort.
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But under those conditions,
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you really also want to have a fast reaction time,
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a low latency for muscle activation
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so that you can make coordinated muscle movements
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in the ways that you need to,
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which is of course what's required of physical endeavors.
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That tells us a few things.
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First of all, it tells us that nicotine
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is going to be generally a bad idea
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for a pre-workout tool
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or for enhancing physical performance.
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However, it's apt to be, and in fact is,
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an excellent tool for enhancing cognitive ability.
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And of course, that triggers my mind
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to return to the anecdote
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about my Nobel Prize-winning colleague
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who ingests nicotine by way of nicotine-containing gum
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in order to increase levels of cognitive focus,
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certainly not for going out and playing sport.
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In fact, despite the fact that he is very, very tall,
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he often points to himself in an appropriately funny way
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that despite being on the basketball team of his high school
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he's probably the worst player that ever existed
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and they only positioned him there because of his height.
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And I guess his head was designed
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to prevent balls from entering the basket.
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In any event, nicotine does seem to be very good
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at enhancing cognitive function, at least in the short term,
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which is not to say that it isn't without its side effects,
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which we will talk about.
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And again, those are side effects
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that are independent of smoking or vaping
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or other forms of ingesting nicotine.
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For instance, dipping or chewing tobacco
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is known to cause a 50-fold, yes, five zero,
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50-fold increase in mouth cancers, things like leukoplakia
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and just generally is terrible for your health.
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I'm sorry to break it to you, but if you're dipping
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or you're using snuff or things of that sort,
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certainly I'm not going to tell people what to do.
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That's not my role in life,
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but you are dramatically increasing the probability
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of an oral cancer or of a mucosal lining cancer
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of some sort.
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So it's not just that smoking and vaping
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are bad for your health.
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These other forms of delivery from nicotine
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can be bad for your health as well.
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And whether or not ingesting nicotine
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by way of nicotine containing gum or patch or toothpick
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or other method is dangerous.
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For other reasons is a discussion that's important.
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Right now, it appears that provided the dosages
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are kept reasonable,
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and we'll talk about what reasonable means a little later,
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and the frequency is kept relatively low,
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so not relying on these things constantly,
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there may in fact be some benefit to ingesting nicotine
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from time to time,
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provided that you are not still developing your brain.
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Now, in reality,
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neuroplasticity goes on throughout the lifetime.
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Your life is actually one long developmental arc.
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It's not only development occurs and then stops,
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but certainly for people before puberty, during puberty,
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and probably for the next 15 to 20 years after puberty,
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avoiding nicotine is probably a good idea.
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Now, of course, development is your entire life.
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It's not like development starts and then ends,
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but certainly for people that are 25 years old or younger,
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ingesting nicotine as a way to enhance cognitive function
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is probably not the best idea.
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And certainly, please,
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for those of you that are 15 years old or younger,
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ingesting nicotine in any form,
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unless it's prescribed by your doctor
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for a very specific clinical reason,
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to me seems just like a terrible idea
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based on all the data that I've read.
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And the reason for that is it's going to create a scenario
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of nicotine dependence in order to achieve heightened levels
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of mood and alertness, et cetera, and that's bad.
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And what we're effectively talking about
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is an addiction for nicotine directly,
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not necessarily the delivery device method
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like smoking or vaping, although it could pull that in
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as an addictive or habit-forming behavior as well.
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But you want to let your neural circuits develop
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to the point where, again,
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unless there's a clinical need for a prescribed drug
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from a licensed physician or psychiatrist, et cetera,
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that you're not relying on chemical enhancement
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of these circuits.
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For people who are 25 years or older,
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and again, that's not a strict cutoff,
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but roughly 25 years or older,
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but for those of you that are thinking about using nicotine
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to enhance cognitive function as adults
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and your brain development is slowing down, right?
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Never ceases, but it's slowing down
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or has slowed down to the point
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where we would say developmental plasticity is largely over
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and you're now operating
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in the context of adult neuroplasticity.
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Well, in that case, there may be instances
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in which increasing acetylcholine, dopamine, et cetera,
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by way of nicotine ingestion might be a good idea,
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but certainly not by smoking, vaping,
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or by direct contact of tobacco
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to the mucosal lining tissue of the mouth or nose,
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so-called dipping or snuffing.
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For the last 20 minutes or so,
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we've been talking about the biology
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of nicotine specifically, how it impacts the brain,
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how it impacts the body, why it feels so good,
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why it can enhance focus.
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And we've largely set aside smoking, vaping,
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dipping tobacco, and snuffing,
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and the negative effects that those all have
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on mental and physical health.
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Working down from the top of the head
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to the bottom of the feet,
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we can say that smoking, vaping, dipping, and snuffing
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negatively impact every organ and tissue system
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and cell of the body by virtue of the fact
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that they all damage the endothelial cells.
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Again, the endothelial cells are the cells
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that make up the vasculature,
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which delivers blood and other nutrients
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to all the cells and organs and tissues of the body.
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And those endothelial cells are strongly
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and negatively impacted by all of the practices
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that I just described.
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Now, the way that that happens varies a little bit
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from each one to the next.
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For instance, it has been estimated
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that cigarettes contain anywhere
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from 4,000 to 7,000 toxins.
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Now, the word toxins is a real buzzword these days.
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You hear about detoxes and toxins,
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but more specifically, we know that it contains carcinogens.
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These are cancer promoting compounds.
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For instance, we know that the tar in cigarettes,
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even low tar cigarettes,
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as well as the ammonia within cigarettes,
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as well as the formaldehyde contained within cigarettes,
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as well as the carbon dioxide that's generated
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from smoking those cigarettes are all carcinogens.
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Carbon dioxide also has the negative effect
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of depleting the amount of oxygen that's delivered
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to any and all of our tissues
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by way of the impact of carbon dioxide,
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binding hemoglobin and preventing hemoglobin
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from delivering oxygen to the tissues of the body.
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So while there may be 4,000 or 4,500 or 7,000 toxins,
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depending on which cigarette,
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which papers they happen to be rolled in,
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whether or not they're filtered or non-filtered,
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the type of tobacco, et cetera, et cetera,
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there are a tremendous number of toxins
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and there are some very potent carcinogens
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within that long list of toxins.
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Again, ammonia, tar, formaldehyde and carbon dioxide
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being the most potent of those carcinogens.
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Now, the fact that there are carcinogens in cigarettes
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sometimes leads cigarette smokers
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and particularly the cigarette smokers
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that have the hardest time quitting
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or that enjoy their cigarettes the most from saying,
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well, listen, everything is a carcinogen
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or everything kills you.
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Well, certainly that's not a true statement.
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And while there are other carcinogens in the environment,
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so environmental hazards like solvents
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and even if you work in a laboratory, for instance,
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we use in the laboratory DNA intercalating dyes.
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These are literally dyes that allow us
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to see the DNA structure of cells
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and see the proteins they make
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and see the RNAs they make.
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And it's very important to wear gloves
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when you work with those things
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because as the name suggests, they intercalate,
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they actually get in between the strands of DNA
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and separate them.
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They are mutagens, they mutate DNA.
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They are often carcinogens as well.
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So we have them in our laboratory,
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but we take certain precautions
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to not have them negatively impact our health,
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safety protocols and so on.
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We hear that there are carcinogens in car exhaust
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and bus exhaust and in all sorts of things like pesticides.
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And that's all true.
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So in the argument of probabilities, one would say,
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well, if there are all these other carcinogens
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in the environment,
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why would you compound their carcinogenic effect
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by smoking or vaping or dipping or snuffing?
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But that usually doesn't get people to quit smoking
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or doing those things
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because of the powerful reinforcing effects
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of nicotine itself.
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So again, nicotine is the reinforcing element
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by way of triggering that dopamine reinforcement pathway,
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the mesolimbic reward pathway.
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And of course there are all the other additional effects
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of increased focus,
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such as increased ability to pay attention to work
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or to others that lead to other rewards.
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And so then it becomes a situation of compounding reward.
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So it's not really about the cigarette,
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it's about the nicotine.
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And it's not really about the nicotine,
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it's about the dopamine that the nicotine evokes.
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And then it's not really about the dopamine
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that the nicotine evokes directly per se,
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but also about all the positive effects
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that that increased dopamine results in.
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So we can easily circle back to the negative effects
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of smoking, vaping, dipping, and snuffing
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and say the endothelial cells are disrupted.
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The endothelial cells are involved in delivery of blood
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and other nutrients to every tissue of the body
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and smoking, vaping, dipping, and snuffing
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contain carcinogens, which are cancer promoting.
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And because the epidemiological studies are out there,
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we can actually arrive at some very clear numbers
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as to how much life one will lose
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from ingesting nicotine by way of those four delivery
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devices, or I should say any one
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of those four delivery devices.
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Although I should also mention that many people
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who are vaping are also smoking cigarettes,
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this is becoming increasingly common.
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A lot of people are using vaping in one context
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and cigarettes in another,
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dipping in one context, vaping in another.
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But even for those that only smoke or only vape
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or only dip or only snuff,
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the negative effects are dramatic and calculable.
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So it is thought that for every pack of cigarettes
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consumed per day, so you could average that out
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if you're a two a day cigarette smoker
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or a pack a day cigarette smoker or two pack a day,
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for every pack of cigarettes smoked per day,
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we can reliably estimate a 14 year reduction in lifespan.
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So cigarettes are literally peeling years off your life.
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Now, because of the way that the brain works
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and the way that human beings anticipate the future
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and can be grounded both in the present and the future
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or the present and the past,
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that's just how the mind works, right?
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That's why we can think about the future,
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but also realize where we are in time and space today.
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Because of that, many people will say,
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well, I enjoy cigarettes or I enjoy vaping.
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And so at least while I'm here, I'm enjoying it.
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And that's because the dopamine system is not very good
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at understanding opportunity costs.
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That is what we would be doing in those 14 years
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and what we would be enjoying.
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And the enrichment that we would get
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if we were to live into those 14 years.
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So at some level, the smoker, the vapor is being rational
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when they say, yeah, but I enjoy this.
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And so the years lost, I can't really register that
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because it's hard to register what you don't have
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and what you've never had, right?
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On the other hand, we can also point to the statistic
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that there is this 50 fold increase in mouth cancers
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from dipping and there are nasal cancers as well
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that are greatly increased by snuffing.
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And from smoking, and now we know based on data from vaping
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that the endothelial cell damage and the direct effects
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of damage to the lungs from TARS.
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And even if people are vaping,
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which tends to have lower TARS than do cigarettes,
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even for people that are vaping,
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greatly increased probability of stroke,
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of peripheral vascular disease.
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So this is peripheral pain because remember,
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blood is delivering not just blood, but other nutrients
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and it's clearing things out from tissues.
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So there's an accumulation of literally toxins and debris
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that cells generate all the time, which is healthy,
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but then normally is cleared away by the endothelial cells
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and by other cell types of the immune system.
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That's all increased in people that engage
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in these nicotine delivery device behaviors.
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Rates of heart attack, rates of stroke,
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rates of cognitive decline are all increased.
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Now you might say cognitive decline,
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I thought that nicotine increases the likelihood
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that we can maintain healthy neuronal function
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and cognitive capacity.
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It might even increase cognitive capacity in a potent way
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in the short term, and indeed it does.
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However, cigarette smoking and vaping are now known
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to dramatically decrease cognitive function
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because one of the key things about the brain
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is that it is the most metabolically demanding organ,
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which means it consumes a lot of glucose.
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Or even if you're ketogenic, you need ketones,
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you need nutrients getting to the neurons
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and other cell types of the brain and nervous system
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in order for it to function properly.
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And when you disrupt the vasculature
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through this endothelial cell dysfunction,
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you got things like interstitial,
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which just means in the spaces between dysfunction.
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So it's not just beating up the endothelial cells themselves
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but the spaces between the cells is being disrupted.
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There's a lot of debris that accumulates there.
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And as a consequence,
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the brain just simply will not function as well.
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So you start getting short-term memory lapses,
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you start getting working memory lapses.
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Working memory is a sort of memory
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if someone tells you their seven digit phone number,
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typically nowadays people just share their info,
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but seven digit phone number or a sequence of numbers
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or an address and your inability to remember that.
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So you're walking back to the kitchen sink
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and you can't remember what you were trying to remember
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just a short moment ago, that's working memory.
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Working memory suffers long-term memory,
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projective or interrogate memories into the future.
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How can you remember things in the future
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that haven't occurred yet?
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Well, this is more of a memory for future plans
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or ideas and planning for things that are to come.
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So what we can very reliably say is that currently
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more than 1 billion, billion,
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more than 1 billion people consume tobacco
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in order to get their nicotine,
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because that's really the reinforcing element within tobacco.
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More than 1 billion people consume tobacco
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in the form of cigarettes every day.
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A growing number of people,
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more than half a billion people now are starting to vape.
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The estimates range from 200 million to 500 million.
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And there's a lot of debate about this
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because a lot of people are hybrid smokers and vapers,
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meaning they do one or both,
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depending on time of day and location,
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as I mentioned before.
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But now you start to see how you can get to the number
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that billions of people are consuming tobacco,
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because of course you also have your people
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that are dipping and your people that are snuffing.
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And as I mentioned before,
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you have people that are engaging
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in multiple of these behaviors.
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So billions of people on planet earth,
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anywhere from one eighth to a quarter of human beings,
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incredible, right?
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Anywhere from one eighth to a quarter of human beings
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are consuming tobacco in one form or another
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in order to get their nicotine one way or another.
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And as a consequence are peeling ears off their life,
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dramatically increasing the probability of cancer, stroke,
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heart attack, peripheral neuropathies, brain dysfunction,
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meaning cognitive dysfunction,
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memory impairment, sexual dysfunction.
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There are a number of studies
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that have looked at increases in cortisol,
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and while minor, those increases do exist,
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decreases in growth hormone,
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and while minor, those decreases exist.
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But even setting aside the negative impact on endocrine,
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on hormone factors, it's very, very clear
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that smoking, vaping, dipping, and snuffing
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are among the worst things that we can do for our health.
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They are among the leading causes of preventable death
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and debilitating life conditions,
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which may lead you to the question
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as to why in the world would people do this?
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Well, it turns out most of them don't want to.
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In the best surveys that one can find
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of if you could quit smoking,
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if you could quit vaping, would you?
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What you find is that at least for cigarette smokers,
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70%, seven zero, want to quit.
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They would love to quit,
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and yet they find that to be exceedingly difficult.
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And the reason they find it to be exceedingly difficult
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is because of all the brain neurochemistry
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that we talked about before.
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The reason I spent close to 20 minutes
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talking about dopamine in the mesolimbic pathway,
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acetylcholine in the nucleus basalis,
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and epinephrine and the relaxation of muscles
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in the periphery and the increase in readiness
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in the body and brain is that all of those combined
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to make nicotine one of the most powerful
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and potent cognitive enhancers,
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and to some extent, physical enhancer,
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although, as I mentioned before,
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the total number of physical exercise
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or physical sport promoting effects of nicotine
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is very, very small, if not zero.
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There are certain conditions
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under which one might imagine using nicotine
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specifically for cognitive enhancement
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where performance of complex motor skills
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would sort of outweigh the negative effects
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on the neuromuscular system,
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our ability to generate coordinated movements.
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There's actually an excellent study
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looking at the effects of nicotine,
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not by smoking delivery,
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but by a different delivery mechanism
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in which they looked at performance of hitters in baseball.
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The experiment was kind of an interesting one.
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Even though these were fairly skilled baseball players,
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what they had them do was hit a ball off a tee.
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As I recall growing up, and admittedly,
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I didn't play much baseball,
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but you start off on tee ball and then you would go,
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I think it was to pitching machine,
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then they would use actual pitchers who throw the ball.
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But in this case,
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it was a couple of different baseball-related tasks.
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They'd have people hit the ball off a tee,
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but they had to direct that hit
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toward a ball atop another tee.
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So it's fairly precise targeting that's required
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in order to knock that ball off the other tee.
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So this is an activity that involves not just motor output,
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but coordinated motor output,
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and not just coordinated motor output,
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but directed coordinated output that requires some,
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as we would say, top-down processing, right?
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This isn't the kind of thing that can be done reflexively.
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This is the kind of thing where the forebrain,
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the prefrontal cortex in particular
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has to be heavily involved
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in order to suppress certain actions
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and then create other actions.
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So the basic takeaway of the study
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is that nicotine delivered by way of nicotine gum,
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not by smoking, dipping, or snuffing,
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was able to increase cognitive performance and motor output.
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So a rare circumstance where a specific set of demands
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that involve both cognitive engagement
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and physical engagement
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showed a slight but significant improvement.
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But again, in most cases,
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nicotine is just simply not going to improve physical output
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if it's delivered through a smoked cigarette,
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through vaping, through dipping, or through snuffing.
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So if all these behaviors are terrible
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for essentially every aspect of our health, frankly,
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I mean, when you look at the literature,
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it's terrible for pregnant women.
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It's terrible for kids.
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It's terrible for older people.
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It's terrible for younger people.
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I mean, you really cannot find a scenario
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in which smoking, vaping, dipping, or snuffing
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are good for us.
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And yet people like the effects on the brain
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and they feel quite addicted to them,
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even if they say they're not.
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Most of those people would be unwilling to give up
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their practice of nicotine delivery
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for more than a few hours.
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In fact, if you look at the effects of withdrawal,
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and we are going to talk about what withdrawal
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of nicotine looks like, what you find is that
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as soon as four hours after the last ingestion of nicotine
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by way of cigarette or vaping or dipping or snuffing,
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what people start to experience is some agitation,
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craving for nicotine, of course.
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And while craving is kind of a vague concept,
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it's actually a very specific biological mechanism.
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It's the drop in dopamine that's starting to occur,
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so much so that there's a drop in dopamine below baseline.
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That is the increase in dopamine
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that would normally be experienced from smoking, vaping,
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dipping, or snuffing is now not happening.
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And in fact, the levels of dopamine are dropping
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below where they would have been
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even without performing that behavior.
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So that's what craving is,
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and withdrawal is an increased sense of that craving,
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as well as a lot of negative stuff like stomach aches
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or nausea or irritability,
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and often collections of all of those.
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So because these nicotine delivery approaches
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are so terrible for our health,
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and also because as many as 70% of people who smoke
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would like to quit, but either feel they can't
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because they've tried and failed repeatedly often,
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or because it's just too scary,
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meaning the reinforcing properties are too strong
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and therefore they can't imagine living without them,
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or the withdrawal effects are too strong
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and they can't imagine living with those,
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well then is there hope for quitting smoking,
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vaping, snuffing, or dipping?
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And the short answer, fortunately, is yes.
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There are excellent ways to do that,
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and some of them are single event treatments.
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And we're going to talk about those shortly.
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But before we do that,
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I want to highlight one very brief point,
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which is that nicotine is not the cause of cancer.
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Nicotine is not the carcinogen.
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It's the other things in tobacco
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or associated with the nicotine delivery device
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that are causing cancer,
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and I should mention the other negative impacts
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on our health in particular
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by way of disrupted endothelial blood vessel function.
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Now that leads us to this issue of vaping,
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because as many of you know, and probably are thinking
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as I've been delivering this information,
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people don't vape tobacco.
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The way that vaping pens are designed
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is that it includes some liquid, it involves heat,
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and it does not involve the burning off of tobacco.
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In fact, there's a constant updating
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of the engineering of these vape pens
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so that they can be very low heat.
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In some cases, they use even non-heating approaches
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to vaporize the nicotine
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and allow it to enter the bloodstream very quickly.
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I must say in a lot of ways, vaping resembles crack cocaine.
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The reason why vaping and crack cocaine are so similar
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is the speed of entry of nicotine into the bloodstream.
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This isn't an episode about cocaine,
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but I just want to very briefly touch
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on some of the delivery routes for cocaine
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because they parallel a lot of the delivery routes
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for nicotine, and we can learn a lot
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about drug pharmacokinetics and dopamine
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if we look at the parallels between cocaine and nicotine.
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I'll preface this by saying cocaine is a terrible drug.
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It is actually a schedule II drug in the United States,
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which means that it has a very, very limited
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yet still present medical application,
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mainly as an anesthetic in certain laboratory
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and hospital conditions.
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But aside from that, it's very clear
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that cocaine is one of the most debilitating drugs
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that humans can use because of the way
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that it impacts the dopamine system.
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And it basically creates a loop whereby the only thing
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that can really trigger dopamine release is cocaine.
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And as I've said before, the way that I define addiction
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is it's a progressive narrowing of the things
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that bring people pleasure.
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Cocaine certainly falls into the category
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of addictive drugs, strongly addictive drugs.
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And in fact, it has the additionally pernicious feature
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that after using cocaine for some period of time,
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the amount of dopamine that's released
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becomes progressively lower and lower and lower
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so that people can never get back to a state
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in which dopamine release is ever as great
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as it was the first time they did cocaine
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or prior to doing cocaine.
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Now, with a long period of no cocaine use whatsoever
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and protecting the dopamine system
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in a number of different ways, people can often,
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not always, but often recover their dopamine system,
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if not completely, then near completely.
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So by all means, if you have a problem with cocaine, quit,
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find a way to quit, get treatment,
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get over that one way or another.
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We have an episode with an expert guest, Dr. Anna Lemke,
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who's a physician and the chief
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of the Stanford School of Medicine
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01:17:49.540
Dual Diagnosis Addiction Clinic.
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01:17:51.700
She's a world expert in dopamine and addictive substances
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and addictions of all kinds.
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You can find that episode at Hubermanlab.com.
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It's filled with information about how to get over
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different types of addictions, including cocaine addiction.
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01:18:03.120
Also check out her absolutely phenomenal
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and indeed important book, Dopamine Nation,
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which touches on some of this as well.
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And in the show note captions for the episode
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where Dr. Lemke was my guest,
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you can also find some additional resources related to that.
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01:18:16.560
So cocaine is terrible.
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That needs to be acknowledged.
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It should be avoided and you should find a way
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to quit it if you are currently using.
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With that said, the delivery mechanism for cocaine
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strongly parallels the delivery mechanisms for nicotine.
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That is people will snort cocaine,
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which is a lot like snuffing or dipping.
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That is when people snort cocaine,
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they're bringing cocaine into proximity or into contact
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really with the mucosal lining of the nasal passages,
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which then allows the psychoactive substances
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to permeate into the bloodstream.
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Very seldom do people eat it,
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although that does happen from time to time.
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People will inject it, then a so-called main lining,
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which is a very rapid entry into the bloodstream
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because it's direct application to the bloodstream
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by way of injection.
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And then there's crack cocaine,
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which is essentially like a vaporizing of the cocaine
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from a so-called cocaine rock
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that somewhat resembles vaping of nicotine.
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So while the vape pen involves a liquid
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that sold a cartridge that contains nicotine
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and often other flavors as well,
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flavorings I should say,
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both crack cocaine and vaping cause very rapid increases
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in the relative substances that are psychoactive.
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In the case of cocaine, that would be cocaine
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and the increase in dopamine in the brain and body,
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I should mention.
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And in the case of vaping,
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there's a very rapid increase in blood concentrations
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of nicotine, much faster than occur with cigarette smoking
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or other modes of nicotine delivery.
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So that speed of onset turns out to be a critical parameter
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because the speed of onset of nicotine
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is going to also determine the speed of release of dopamine
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in the nucleus accumbens and ventral tegmental area,
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that mesolimbic reward pathway.
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And with the mesolimbic reward pathway,
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it's not just about the peak,
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meaning the maximal amount of dopamine that's released,
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but it's the time course, how steep the curve is,
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how quickly that dopamine increases,
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that's going to determine how reinforcing,
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how habit forming and indeed how addictive
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a particular substance is.
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So one of the major important differences
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between vaping and cigarette smoking
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is that the onset of dopamine release from vaping is faster.
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And even a subtle increase in the rate
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at which dopamine increases in the mesolimbic reward pathway
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can make a given amount of nicotine
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much more habit forming and addictive.
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This probably explains the fact that many, many more people
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in particular young people, age 25 and younger
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are vaping at phenomenal rates now.
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People are starting to vape in just about everywhere.
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You see this in restaurants, you see it on the street.
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Indeed, you even see it in the classroom.
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This has actually become sort of sport of sorts.
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It's certainly not something I encourage.
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In fact, when I learned about this from a college student,
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new college student,
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he's telling me that many college students
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are actually bringing vape pens into the classroom.
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I think this is also happening in high schools
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and even junior high schools.
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This is a really concerning practice.
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And here, I'm not trying to come across
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as the anti-vaping crusader,
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but I must say given the negative effects
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on one's health in the longterm,
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but also given these exceedingly powerful reward properties
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of nicotine entering the bloodstream quickly
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01:21:30.760
and dopamine being released very quickly
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from the mesolimbic reward pathway,
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what we're seeing out there makes total sense.
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Young people's brains are essentially getting wired
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to the expectation that dopamine
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is going to be increased dramatically and quickly
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under their control,
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except it's under their control
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only in a very narrow set of circumstances.
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Recall the definition of addiction,
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a progressive narrowing of the things
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that bring you pleasure.
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We can change that statement
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to also say a progressive narrowing and specific kinetics,
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that is specific time course
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of the things that bring you pleasure.
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Now that's a bit of a nerdier statement
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than a progressive narrowing of the things
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that bring you pleasure,
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but what we're going to see in the next few years, I believe,
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is an entire generation of young people
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for which a very large percentage of them
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are going to be seeking out a pattern or feeling,
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01:22:25.520
because to the person taking it,
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they're not looking at their dopamine levels
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rising in their blood,
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they're experiencing this as an increase in focus,
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an increase in alertness,
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an increase in mood and wellbeing
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that is very rapid, very dramatic,
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and that simply cannot be recreated
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by any other substance,
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and that's a very concerning scenario,
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concerning because that mesolimbic reward pathway
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is the only pathway,
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the only pathway by which you can achieve
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the rewarding properties of any kind of endeavor,
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not just vaping, of course,
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it is the way in which people achieve satisfaction
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from reaching a relationship goal or an athletic goal
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or an educational goal,
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any kind of goal or sense of satisfaction,
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01:23:08.180
and so it comes as no surprise
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that vaping is strongly associated
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with increased levels of depression,
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especially when vaping use drops off,
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why would that be?
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If people are getting so much more dopamine
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so much more quickly from vaping,
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shouldn't they be feeling better?
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01:23:22.500
That brings us back to the critical,
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and I should say defining feature
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of the dopamine reward pathway
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for motivation and wellbeing,
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which is that initially a given substance will cause,
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let's say an eight out of 10, again, arbitrary units,
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but eight out of 10 increase in dopamine,
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but with repeated use,
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what ends up happening is that even at similar
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or higher levels of ingestion,
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so not just one inhalation a minute,
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but maybe two inhalations a minute
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or inhalation every 30 seconds,
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now it's level four out of 10 activation of dopamine
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and then three and then two,
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and eventually it drops below baseline.
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01:23:58.040
Now the whole system can be recovered by abstinence
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from nicotine consumption,
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01:24:02.740
but the dopamine system is applied to everything,
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all sense of wellbeing, all sense of motivation.
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01:24:07.580
So during the period in which one is abstaining
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from nicotine and vaping in particular,
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people do not feel good, they feel miserable,
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that's why it's called withdrawal,
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it's associated with a bunch of psychological
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and physiological symptoms that all lead back
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to trying to get to the same levels of dopamine release
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in the same patterns that were experienced
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when one initially started vaping.
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So I'm not trying to paint a dark picture here,
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but frankly, the picture is very dark.
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I'm very concerned about a practice of ingesting something
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that powerfully modulates the dopamine system
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with the sorts of kinetics that one sees
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from ingestion of crack cocaine in young people
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that has all these other negative health effects
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that in the short term is very powerfully rewarding,
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increased focus, wellbeing, et cetera,
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but that over a very brief period of time
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leads to a state in which the entire dopamine reward system
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is impaired and can become permanently impaired
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unless one intervenes in a very deliberate way.
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So people are directly controlling the rate of dopamine
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and the frequency of dopamine release
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by the duration and frequency of inhalations
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off the vape pen.
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And that's an incredible thing because what it does
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is it sets up the mesolimbic reward pathway
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for an expectation that dopamine will be delivered
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on that schedule.
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01:25:26.560
So that's one of the things that makes vaping in particular
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so hard to quit.
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01:25:32.400
Vaping is actually harder to quit than cigarette smoking
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for most people.
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Now, does that mean that cigarette smoking
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is fairly easy to quit for most people?
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No.
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70% of people who smoke cigarettes report
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that they would like to quit if they thought they could.
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01:25:48.860
The success rate of quitting smoking
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when people try to go just cold turkey,
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just quit with no assistance whatsoever,
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they might tell their family and friends,
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hey, I'm quitting, that's it, is exceedingly low.
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It's 5%.
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So 5% of the people that say, that's it,
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I'm not smoking again, despite cancer diagnosis,
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01:26:08.220
I'm not smoking again,
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despite the fear of the negative health effects,
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I'm not going to ever smoke again,
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despite the financial costs, the health costs.
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I mean, I could list off the huge number of things
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that it does that are negative,
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but you already know these or you've heard them.
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It makes your skin worse.
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01:26:22.960
As I mentioned, it lowers libido, it disrupts hormones,
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it disrupts vascular function, brain function,
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it does all these terrible things,
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and yet most people who try and quit simply can't.
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And of the 5% that succeed in quitting,
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a full 65% of them relapse within a year.
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So that's a very depressing picture,
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but it's not to say that people cannot quit,
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and in fact, they can.
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There are a couple of methods that have been shown
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to help people quit.
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Some are behavioral and some are pharmacologic.
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I just want to touch on the behavioral ones first,
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because it turns out that there's a quite powerful method
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for quitting nicotine ingestion
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by way of cigarette smoking,
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01:27:02.740
which also carries over to vaping.
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01:27:04.720
This is beautiful work that's been done by my colleague,
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in fact, close collaborator,
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although I was not involved in the research
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01:27:10.240
that I'm about to describe, at Stanford,
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01:27:12.160
and his name is Dr. David Spiegel.
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He is our associate chair of psychiatry.
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01:27:16.560
He's been a guest on the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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01:27:18.800
and he is a world expert, if not the world expert,
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01:27:21.800
in the clinical applications of hypnosis.
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01:27:24.120
Now, when I say hypnosis,
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a lot of people think stage hypnosis,
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which is the hypnotist trying to get people
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to do certain things and say certain things,
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not necessarily against their will,
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01:27:32.920
because they actually have to agree,
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but the hypnotist is dictating
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what the person thinks, says, and does.
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01:27:38.840
Clinical hypnosis is vastly different from that.
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Clinical hypnosis is where the person, the patient,
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actually directs their own brain changes
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toward a specific emotional or behavioral goal.
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01:27:51.120
Work from Dr. David Spiegel's laboratory, done in 1993,
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01:27:55.360
but that now has been repeated many, many times,
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has carried over into some more modern studies,
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and I will provide links to those studies
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in the show note caption so that you can access them.
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Those studies have shown
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that using a specific form of hypnosis,
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people can achieve complete and total cessation
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of cigarette smoking,
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and there's no reason to believe
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this doesn't also carry over to vaping
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through one single hypnosis session.
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And the success rates are incredibly high
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when one considers that normally
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it would be only a 5% success rate.
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01:28:28.280
The success rate with this particular hypnosis
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developed at Stanford School of Medicine
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01:28:32.280
by Dr. David Spiegel is 23% of people
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01:28:35.920
who do this hypnosis one time succeed in quitting smoking.
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01:28:39.600
Now, in the old days, which actually wasn't that long ago,
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before the advent of smartphones
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01:28:45.700
and before the internet took off to the extent
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01:28:48.280
that it has now,
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01:28:50.320
this was done by having someone come into the clinic,
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01:28:52.700
and Dr. Spiegel himself or one of his colleagues
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01:28:55.320
would take somebody through the hypnosis.
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01:28:58.240
Nowadays, you can access this hypnosis.
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01:29:00.560
There's a wonderful app
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01:29:02.160
that was developed by Dr. David Spiegel and others.
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01:29:05.240
It's called Reveri, R-E-V-E-R-I.
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01:29:07.840
I've talked about this app a few times on the podcast before
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01:29:10.000
because there are hypnosis scripts within the app
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01:29:12.280
for enhancing sleep, for improving ability to fall asleep
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01:29:14.880
if you wake up in the middle of the night,
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01:29:16.480
for focus and a number of other
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01:29:18.160
behavioral and emotional changes.
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01:29:20.520
There's also a function in the Reveri app
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01:29:23.000
for smoking cessation,
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01:29:24.660
which exactly parallels the sort of in laboratory
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01:29:28.880
and in clinic approaches that Dr. Spiegel would use
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01:29:31.940
for you to show up at his clinic or in his laboratory.
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01:29:34.440
And since that's not possible
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01:29:35.920
for the large number of people out there,
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01:29:37.860
if you or somebody else is trying to quit smoking
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01:29:40.720
or vaping or dipping or snuffing for that matter,
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01:29:45.140
I strongly encourage you to check out the Reveri app.
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01:29:47.840
You can find it easily by going to reveri.com.
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01:29:50.780
It's available in various formats.
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01:29:52.660
Some of it is available free,
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01:29:54.000
some of it is behind a paywall,
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01:29:55.580
but given the tremendously negative impact of smoking,
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01:29:58.880
vaping, dipping, and snuffing,
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01:30:01.260
the hypnosis for smoking cessation that Reveri has
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01:30:05.380
seems at least to me as a very powerful
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and worthwhile resource.
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01:30:09.600
So please check that out if you're somebody
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who's trying to quit ingesting nicotine
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01:30:13.860
by any of the four methods that I just described.
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01:30:16.600
Now, of course, there are other methods
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01:30:17.760
that people have used to successfully quit smoking
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01:30:19.760
or vaping or other forms of nicotine delivery.
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01:30:22.960
And there's actually an excellent review on this topic.
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01:30:25.380
So before diving into a few of the specifics
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01:30:27.240
about some of the pharmacology of using nicotine itself
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01:30:31.220
to quit smoking or nicotine itself to quit vaping,
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01:30:34.040
or the use of various things,
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01:30:35.720
even SSRIs, antidepressants, to quit smoking or vaping,
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01:30:40.360
I just want to point you to a review article
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01:30:42.080
that if you'd like to get a complete survey
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01:30:43.680
of all the options that are available,
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01:30:45.600
there's an excellent review on this.
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01:30:47.700
It was published just a couple of years ago in 2020.
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01:30:50.160
The title of the article is pharmacologic approach
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01:30:52.600
to smoking cessation,
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01:30:53.860
an updated review for daily clinical practice.
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01:30:56.560
And even though this is mainly focused on smoking cessation,
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01:30:59.840
it carries over quite nicely to vaping.
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01:31:02.400
And it details a number of statistics,
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01:31:04.240
the fact that every year 700,000 or more people die
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01:31:07.460
because of smoking related diseases.
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01:31:08.940
So there again, you have the negative health effects
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01:31:12.000
that younger people are smoking,
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01:31:13.340
that women are smoking more nowadays,
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01:31:14.940
and that even though you see less smoking
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01:31:16.360
typically in the US and Canada,
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01:31:18.000
and even in Northern Europe, some places,
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01:31:19.900
there's still many, many people are smoking
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01:31:21.400
who would like to quit.
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01:31:22.680
But that 75% of people,
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01:31:24.800
at least according to this review earlier, I said 70%,
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01:31:26.960
but estimates are as high as 75% of people
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01:31:29.640
who try to quit smoking relapse within the first week.
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01:31:32.720
The first week, they just go right back to it.
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01:31:34.240
That's how powerfully reinforcing the nicotine is.
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01:31:36.780
Remember, it's the nicotine in the cigarette
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01:31:38.680
that's powerfully reinforcing,
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01:31:39.880
but it's also the oral habit, the motor habit.
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01:31:45.320
There is this thing about density of sensory receptors
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01:31:47.780
in the lips.
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01:31:48.620
People like bringing things to their lips,
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01:31:51.440
food, cigarettes, other lips in some cases, et cetera.
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01:31:56.560
There is a reinforcement pathway related to that
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01:31:58.960
for sort of obvious adaptive reasons.
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And as a consequence, there is a reinforcement
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01:32:05.440
both from the behavior
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01:32:06.560
and from the dopamine released from the nicotine itself.
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01:32:09.140
And as I mentioned earlier,
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from the positive reinforcement
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01:32:12.680
that comes from increased focus,
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01:32:13.920
so the money that you make through work
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01:32:15.240
or your attentional ability,
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01:32:16.640
or the fact that you're alert
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01:32:17.520
and people feel you present,
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01:32:18.600
all of that funnels back into positive reinforcement,
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01:32:21.860
behavioral reinforcement,
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01:32:23.760
and then what we would call addiction.
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01:32:26.240
So this review covers all of that
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01:32:28.520
and then steps beautifully
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01:32:30.220
through nicotine replacement therapy and various compounds,
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01:32:33.760
several of which I'm going to talk about now,
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01:32:35.740
which have been shown to increase that number
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01:32:37.980
that we talked about earlier of only 5% of people
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01:32:40.620
who try to quit with no other support,
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01:32:43.080
pharmacologic or hypnosis or otherwise,
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01:32:44.880
just say, that's it, I'm not going to smoke again,
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01:32:47.040
or I'm not going to vape again.
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01:32:48.680
Only 5% of people succeed in doing that.
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01:32:50.880
And even among those, many end up relapsing later.
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01:32:53.760
There are a couple of pharmacologic approaches.
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01:32:55.860
One of the main ones that's received a lot of attention
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01:32:57.800
in recent years is Bupriperone,
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01:33:00.080
sometimes referred to by its commercial name, Wellbutrin.
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01:33:04.080
Now, Bupriperone is a compound
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that increases the release of dopamine
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01:33:10.020
and to a lesser extent epinephrine
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01:33:11.900
and some other neurochemicals as well.
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01:33:13.600
It's used for the treatment of depression
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01:33:15.600
and for smoking cessation.
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01:33:17.720
Now, I want to point out again, I'm not a psychiatrist,
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so I'm not telling you to take Bupriperone,
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01:33:22.120
AKA Wellbutrin, but I'm going to give you a little bit
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01:33:24.520
of the contour of what's typically done
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01:33:26.640
in terms of Bupriperone administration
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01:33:28.460
to help people get relief
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01:33:30.360
from some of the withdrawal symptoms
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01:33:32.240
of trying to quit smoking or vaping
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01:33:33.900
or other forms of nicotine ingestion.
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01:33:36.540
Typically, Bupriperone is taken
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in 300 milligram per day doses
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divided into two dosages of 150 milligrams each,
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or sometimes there's a slow release formula.
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The dosages will vary from person to person.
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I want to really emphasize
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that there is an increased seizure risk with Bupriperone.
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It only occurs in a small fraction of the population,
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but nonetheless is a real concern
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01:33:58.960
for those members of the population.
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01:34:00.380
So for those of you with seizure risk,
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whether you know it or not,
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that's going to be a valid concern
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in terms of potential side effects.
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The other thing about Bupriperone is that it has to be used
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with caution in patients that have liver disease
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or renal disease that can impact
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the amount that anyone can take,
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meaning sometimes people have to take a much lower dose
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if they have renal disease or liver disease,
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and sometimes they can't take it at all.
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Sometimes if people are taking benzodiazepines
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for whatever reason or other sedatives,
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there are contraindications there.
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So Bupriperone isn't a kind of one-size-fits-all
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01:34:33.360
or magic bullet for quitting smoking.
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01:34:35.480
Nonetheless, for people that can take it safely,
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and again, this is a prescription drug,
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01:34:39.840
a board certified psychiatrist or other physician
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is going to have to prescribe it for you
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if it's appropriate for you,
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and it moves that number of 5% success rate
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to about what one sees with the clinical hypnosis
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to about 20% of people
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will successfully overcome their nicotine,
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or I should say their smoking or vaping addiction.
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Now it's important to ask why this would work, right?
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I mean, it's not as if Bupriperone
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is increasing nicotine per se.
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What it's doing is it's tapping
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on that mesolimbic reward pathway, increasing dopamine,
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or at least allowing dopamine levels
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to stay substantially elevated enough
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that people don't experience some of the drop in dopamine
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that leads to the withdrawal symptoms,
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the lessening of mood, et cetera,
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and it's no coincidence that Bupriperone
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is also an antidepressant.
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It's a common antidepressant
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for people that experience negative side effects
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with the so-called SSRIs,
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selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors
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that prevent them from taking those things
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like lessen libido or appetite,
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or in some cases increased appetite,
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or any number of other side effects that some people,
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not all, but some people experience with SSRIs.
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They'll be prescribed Wellbutrin, Bupriperone
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is the generic name.
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So Wellbutrin being the commercial name,
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again, Bupriperone is what they'll be prescribed instead.
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With the caveats of seizure risk, renal disease,
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liver disease, et cetera,
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the outcomes with Wellbutrin for smoking cessation
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are pretty good.
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I mean, if you think about an increase from 5% to 20%,
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that's pretty dramatic,
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and yet I also want to refer back to the incredible success
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of the clinical hypnosis approach.
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Again, you can find that at reverie.com.
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The clinical hypnosis approach has a success rate of 23%.
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So it's very closely aligned with,
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if not exceeding the success rate with Bupriperone.
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Of course, there are other pharmacologic approaches
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to quitting smoking or vaping.
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All of them generally circle back to increasing dopamine
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and or norepinephrine
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in order to offset some of the withdrawal symptoms
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of smoking sensation or vaping cessation.
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A very common approach for people to try and quit smoking
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or vaping is to use nicotine itself
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to try and prevent people from seeking nicotine
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through a cigarette or a vape pen.
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What I mean by that is people using a nicotine patch
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or nicotine gum or other nicotine delivery device
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that is not cigarettes and not vaping
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in order to maintain levels of nicotine
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in their bloodstream,
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which of course means maintain levels of nicotine
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in their brain and body
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to the same extent that they would
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if they were smoking or vaping,
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maybe even gradually taking down the total amount of nicotine
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in their brain and body by reducing the number
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or size of nicotine gum pieces that they ingest each day
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or keeping the patch on for a shorter amount of time
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or getting a lower dose patch
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that releases less nicotine total or over time.
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All of those approaches have been shown
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to be reasonably successful.
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I'll get to the numbers in a few minutes,
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but reasonably successful in allowing people
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to quit smoking or vaping.
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Again, most of the data is on cigarette smoking
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because vaping is a relatively new phenomenon,
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although quite troublingly,
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it's a very rapidly increasing behavior,
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especially in the young population.
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So that's why I'm kind of lumping these two things together
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because I think very soon we are going to need
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an all out campaign for how to counter vaping addiction.
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So what do we know about smoking sensation
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using nicotine itself?
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Is the patch best?
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Is nicotine gum best?
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It turns out that a combination of approaches is best.
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So somewhat surprising,
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but it was very clear from the literature
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that I was able to find that using nicotine patches
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for some period of time and then switching to a gum
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and then perhaps switching to a nasal spray,
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that's going to be the most effective.
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Then the question is how long to continue each of those
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and whether or not to overlap them.
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It seems as if doing one for about a week
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and then switching to another for about a week
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and then switching to another is one rational
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and reasonable approach
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that many people have used successfully.
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Why would that be?
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Well, it all has to do with the different rates
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of absorption of nicotine into the bloodstream
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and then the downstream consequences of that
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on the dopamine, acetylcholine, epinephrine,
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and other systems of the brain and body.
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And while there hasn't been an extremely detailed study
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of the exact kinetics of how the nasal sprays
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versus the transdermal patches versus the gums, et cetera,
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work, there's a logical structure to it
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that will immediately make sense to you.
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First of all, the transdermal patches
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provide a fairly steady state dopamine release
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across the day.
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And oftentimes people are wearing them at night as well.
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This is relevant because if people are ingesting nicotine
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by way of smoking and vaping,
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hopefully they're not waking up in the middle of the night
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just to smoke or vape, or believe it or not,
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some people do that.
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But of course, while people are asleep,
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they are not smoking or vaping.
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They always tell you don't fall asleep
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with a cigarette in your mouth,
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you burn the whole house down.
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But exceedingly rare to have people
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who are smoking in their sleep.
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So people wake up in the morning
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and because the half-life of nicotine from smoking or vaping
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is very short, anywhere from one to two hours,
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they are essentially in a state of withdrawal
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at the point where they wake up in the morning.
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How can I say that?
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Well, remember withdrawal sets in about four hours
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after the last ingestion of nicotine by cigarette
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or by inhalation from the vape pen.
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So people are waking up in nicotine withdrawal
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and then immediately going into
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the behavior of ingesting nicotine
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or very soon after waking for most people.
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So nicotine patch is going to be very effective
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for a week or so.
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Again, talk to your physician
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about the best approach for this,
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01:40:20.480
but then switching to a nasal spray
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or switching to nicotine gum for about a week,
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which is going to change the kinetics
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of that nicotine absorption to the bloodstream
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and change the release of dopamine
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and other neurochemicals within the brain.
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That's going to keep the system intentionally off balance
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so that it never comes to expect one single pattern
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or amplitude of dopamine release.
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And that is a very powerful way for a,
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let's just call it a quitting method to work
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because as I've always said,
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the most powerful schedule of dopamine
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is going to be this random intermittent reward.
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This is what's used in the casinos
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in order to take your money.
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And generally they do on average,
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they take your money more than you take theirs
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and they take more of it, not just more often,
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because they use this random intermittent schedule.
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The random intermittent schedule is one in which
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you don't really know when the peaks in dopamine
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are going to arrive.
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01:41:17.300
And so there isn't this expectation and craving.
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And then all of a sudden when dopamine is released,
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it's extremely high.
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That's how they get you to continue playing
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even though basically you're losing money
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and your dopamine is dropping.
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01:41:26.320
They elevate it every once in a while.
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01:41:29.240
Nicotine replacement can be used in a similar way,
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but in a benevolent way in order to help you get over
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smoking or vaping by keeping the total amounts
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of dopamine variable around the clock.
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And by changing the amount of dopamine that's released,
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it seems to help people behaviorally and psychologically
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because they don't come to expect
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having a particular amount of dopamine
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in their brain and blood at any given time.
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And this is an important point because it brings us
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to this notion of homeostasis.
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Homeostasis is this tendency for biological systems
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to try and reach equilibrium.
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01:42:01.120
What goes up, goes down, et cetera,
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01:42:02.560
and to some extent to the same degree.
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01:42:04.840
So I'll talk about this right now in the context
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of nicotine use, withdrawal,
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and then the period in which people
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01:42:12.280
no longer crave nicotine.
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01:42:14.500
So you can imagine that if we were to measure
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your heart rate, your blood pressure,
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01:42:18.440
and your overall levels of alertness and wellbeing and mood,
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01:42:21.260
let's just give that some value.
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Let's say it runs from zero to 10.
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01:42:24.720
Again, arbitrary units.
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01:42:25.760
Let's just take all those physiological measures
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01:42:28.000
and the subjective measure of your mood,
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01:42:29.640
and let's measure it four times an hour across the day,
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01:42:33.940
across the waking hours.
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01:42:34.960
What we would find is a line that would kind of
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01:42:36.920
squiggle a bit, maybe a nice text comes in
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01:42:39.160
that you really like, maybe you get a not so good news
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01:42:42.000
and your kind of autonomic arousal is all over the place.
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01:42:45.320
But on average, it's kind of a squiggly line
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01:42:47.500
where it increases in the morning
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01:42:48.800
because that's typically when body temperature
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01:42:50.720
and autonomic arousal increase.
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01:42:52.160
And then towards the afternoon,
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01:42:53.240
it's going to come sloping down.
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01:42:54.260
And then right before sleep, there'll be an increase again.
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01:42:56.320
If you've ever felt that,
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01:42:57.160
you kind of run around a lot before sleep,
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01:42:58.320
and then it goes down.
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01:42:59.280
That's kind of the typical contour of autonomic arousal,
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01:43:03.200
mood, et cetera, across the day.
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01:43:05.720
Removing, of course, life events
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01:43:07.760
and things like psychiatric illness and depression
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01:43:11.000
and et cetera, that's the typical arc of that.
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01:43:13.920
Now let's superimpose on whatever that contour is for you,
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01:43:18.040
nicotine.
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01:43:18.860
So get a little bolus, as we say,
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a little bit of nicotine from smoking a cigarette
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01:43:23.920
or from taking inhalation on a vape pen.
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01:43:25.640
What ends up happening is there's an increase
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in blood pressure, increase in heart rate,
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01:43:28.760
increase in mood, increase in alertness,
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01:43:30.360
all the things we talked about earlier.
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01:43:33.440
Over time, the body starts to adjust
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01:43:37.200
so that the baseline upon which
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that nicotine-induced increase in arousal would occur
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01:43:45.320
is actually reduced, right?
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01:43:47.600
Why would that be?
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01:43:48.440
Well, the body and the brain,
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01:43:51.140
your physiology seeks homeostasis.
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01:43:53.000
So if there's a big increase in all those things
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01:43:56.020
like blood pressure and mood, et cetera,
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01:43:57.920
typically your baseline will drop a little bit
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01:44:00.700
to compensate for that over time
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01:44:02.200
after a couple of days or even weeks of ingesting nicotine.
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01:44:05.020
So let's say you wake up,
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01:44:06.140
you typically take an inhalation off your vape
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01:44:08.840
or you have a cigarette around nine or 10 a.m.
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01:44:11.640
and you do that daily.
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01:44:13.280
You get used to a certain level of mood and alertness
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01:44:15.720
and wellbeing for that time of day.
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01:44:17.400
And then if you smoke again in the afternoon, let's say,
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01:44:20.120
you also get accustomed to a certain level
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01:44:21.960
of mood and alertness and wellbeing for that time of day.
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01:44:25.040
Again, it'll vary depending on life events,
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01:44:26.820
but your system sort of gets used to it
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01:44:28.440
and your baseline will drop to compensate for those peaks
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so that the peaks aren't quite as high as they were
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01:44:33.180
when you first started using nicotine.
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01:44:35.280
Now you decide to quit.
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01:44:36.440
So now what we're talking about is transitioning
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01:44:38.440
from the consumption
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01:44:40.580
to what we're going to call the withdrawal phase.
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01:44:43.100
Now what happens is you say, that's it,
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01:44:44.600
I'm going cold turkey.
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01:44:46.120
I know there's only a 5% success rate,
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01:44:47.800
but I'm going to just go cold turkey.
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01:44:49.000
Or somebody will say, no,
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01:44:50.760
I'm going to use the Reverie app.
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01:44:52.000
Or somebody says, no,
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01:44:53.720
I'm going to use buprenorphine or another method
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01:44:55.920
or nicotine patch or something of that sort.
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01:44:57.920
Well, setting aside the nicotine patch
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01:44:59.640
or the nicotine delivery device,
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01:45:01.500
and only focusing on approaches
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01:45:04.200
for getting through withdrawal
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01:45:05.860
that have no direct effects on nicotine, okay?
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01:45:09.240
So not using the nicotine patch,
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01:45:10.620
but say the hypnosis or buprenorphine,
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01:45:14.160
which can increase dopamine,
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01:45:15.540
but it doesn't increase nicotine directly.
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01:45:18.400
What happens?
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01:45:19.440
The day that you quit,
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01:45:22.160
that homeostatic mechanism in your brain and body
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01:45:25.120
that sets your level of mood and arousal, et cetera,
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01:45:27.900
does not know and hasn't adjusted to the fact
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01:45:30.920
that you're not bringing in nicotine.
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01:45:32.340
You're not having that cigarette.
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01:45:33.440
You're not having that inhalation on the vape pen.
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01:45:35.840
So what ends up happening is that baseline,
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01:45:38.080
which has been adjusted down to offset the increases
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01:45:41.560
in mood and alertness, et cetera,
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01:45:43.680
when you smoke or vape is lower than it normally would be.
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01:45:48.280
So that 9 a.m. cigarette time or vape inhalation time
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01:45:52.900
no longer feels above baseline.
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01:45:55.440
It actually feels below baseline
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01:45:57.400
because what you're seeing is the lower amplitude of arousal
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that was there to offset the increase you were getting
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01:46:05.880
from vaping or smoking.
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01:46:07.240
And then in the afternoon,
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01:46:08.320
if normally you have a kind of phase of your afternoon
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01:46:10.480
you really enjoy, you go outside,
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01:46:11.720
you have a vape or a cigarette,
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01:46:13.480
you normally are feeling relaxed
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01:46:14.760
or you go out at night and you'd like to vape
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01:46:16.040
and you say, nope, I'm not going to do that anymore,
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01:46:18.040
you're going to feel much, much worse
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01:46:20.960
than you would have had you never started smoking or vaping.
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01:46:23.400
Now that's not much help to anyone
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who's already started smoking or vaping,
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01:46:27.780
but I say this because it's very important to understand
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that the reason why relapse rates
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01:46:32.520
are so high within the first week,
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01:46:34.000
75% of people relapse within one week
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01:46:36.880
and overall failure rates are 95%
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01:46:39.960
is because people don't expect to feel even worse
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01:46:43.240
than they did prior to ever smoking or vaping.
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01:46:46.040
So that first week is absolutely critical.
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And the beauty of understanding this
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is that if you can get through that first week
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01:46:52.600
either by sheer grit or by finding other methods
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01:46:55.840
to increase dopamine, healthy methods, I would hope,
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01:46:58.800
and certainly cold showers, ice baths
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01:47:01.040
have been shown to do that by the way.
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01:47:03.560
This was described in Dr. Anna Lemke's book,
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01:47:05.360
''Dopamine Nation''.
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01:47:07.360
Cold showers can increase dopamine exercise,
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01:47:09.520
positive social interactions.
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01:47:11.360
It's very likely that people will need to use
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01:47:13.780
other healthy methods to offset that reduction in dopamine
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01:47:17.160
if ever they stand to get through that first week.
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And again, if you can get through that first week,
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01:47:22.340
chances are quite a bit higher
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01:47:24.280
that you'll be able to maintain
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01:47:26.260
the cessation of smoking or vaping.
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01:47:29.080
And of course, hypnosis,
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01:47:31.040
things like buprenparone can also assist in that.
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01:47:33.240
Buprenparone by way of increasing
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01:47:34.840
dopamine pharmacologically,
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01:47:36.240
hypnosis through changes in neural circuitry
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01:47:39.100
that aren't completely understood,
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01:47:40.340
but seem to involve a remapping
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01:47:42.480
of some of the so-called default networks
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01:47:44.800
and some of the networks that are involved
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01:47:46.400
in kind of understanding of your own internal state.
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This stuff gets a little bit complicated
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and we're going to return to this
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in an upcoming episode of the Huberton Lab Podcast,
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but there are indeed legitimate changes
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in neural circuitry caused by clinical hypnosis
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that can at least partially explain
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why it is so effective in helping treat
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or allow people to stop smoking and vaping.
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So for those of you out there
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that either hear or are saying yourselves,
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I just can't seem to quit smoking or vaping
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or dipping or snuffing,
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hopefully an understanding
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of how that homeostasis process works
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and the time course of nicotine,
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depending on the delivery device,
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hopefully understanding that
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will allow you to develop a protocol,
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maybe it involves hypnosis,
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maybe it involves just understanding
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that the typical times in which you ingested nicotine
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through any of the different approaches
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of bringing it into your system
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are going to be particularly hard,
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but I don't just mean particularly hard,
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I mean particularly hard
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and you're going to need to do something specific
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to offset that decrease in overall autonomic arousal
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and dopamine, et cetera.
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Hopefully an understanding of that
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will allow you to get through that first week
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and if you can make it past that first week,
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you stand a very good chance of never going back.
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However, I did consult with Dr. David Spiegel
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in anticipation of this episode,
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regardless of the method that you used
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to quit smoking or vaping, snuffing or dipping.
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There's good evidence that a routine,
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maybe once a month or even once a week
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hypnosis type approach
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to replenish or even enhance the neural circuits
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that are allowing you to stay away from nicotine
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is going to be a very good idea.
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And given that it's a purely behavioral intervention,
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I can see no reason as to why
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people wouldn't want to do that.
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Go in and reinforce, tighten the bolts on that circuitry
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that are allowing you to not feel the impulse to smoke,
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not feel the impulse to vape.
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And just a very brief mention,
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there is a vast literature on the fact
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that when people have quit smoking or vaping
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or other form of consuming nicotine,
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that when they consume alcohol,
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there's a much higher probability of relapse.
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There are interactions between alcohol and nicotine
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that we'll cover in future episodes.
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But for those of you that want to quit,
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I want to assure you,
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despite the fact that 95% of people fail
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with the appropriate tools,
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and I like to think with an additional understanding
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of the underlying biology and psychology
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and what you can expect and when to really dig your heels
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and when to reinforce your system with more dopamine
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through any of the number of the different protocols
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and tools that we've offered here
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and that you can find elsewhere
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and other episodes of the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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I have a high degree of confidence
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that you can quit smoking or vaping, dipping or snuffing.
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So today, typical of, frankly,
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all episodes of the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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we've covered a lot about the biology
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of a particular system.
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We talked about the biology of nicotine in particular.
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We talked about vaping and smoking, dipping and snuffing,
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and the negative health consequences associated with those.
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I want to reemphasize that nicotine is not
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what causes cancer, it is the delivery device
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that causes cancer and the other negative health effects.
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That is not to say that people should be ingesting nicotine
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through any different methods
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simply to get a cognitive boost.
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There are certain circumstances
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where that might be appropriate,
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for the occasional work bout,
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certainly not for physical exercise,
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given what we talked about earlier.
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But of course, there are more and more approaches
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to increasing, not just nicotine,
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but acetylcholine generally,
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in order to achieve cognitive enhancement
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or physical enhancement,
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or I should say physical performance enhancement.
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Some of those we talked about earlier, such as alpha-GPC.
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In any event, nicotine, it should now be clear,
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is an immensely powerful substance,
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one of the most commonly ingested substances
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on the face of the earth and has been for a very long time.
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And now that you understand the underlying biology
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and the way in which it changes
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your psychology and physiology,
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that should come as no surprise.
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this incredibly powerful substance.
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