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Optimize & Control Your Brain Chemistry to Improve Health & Performance | Huberman Lab Podcast #80



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Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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where we discuss science and science-based tools
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for everyday life.
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I'm Andrew Huberman,
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and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology
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at Stanford School of Medicine.
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Today, we're going to discuss your brain chemistry
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and how to control and optimize your brain chemistry
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for all aspects of mental health,
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physical health, and performance.
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Many times before on the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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and frankly, every time I'm a guest on another podcast,
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I get questions about science and science-based tools
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for things like enhancing sleep, enhancing focus,
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enhancing creativity, improving relationships,
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getting over grief, and on and on,
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all of which are valid questions
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and for which there are protocols that are based in science
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and that work the first time and every time.
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However, far more important than knowing a protocol
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is understanding why a given protocol works.
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That's why I'm always hammering on mechanism
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and explaining the cells and circuits and chemicals,
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at least to some detail,
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so that people can understand not just what to do,
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but why it works and therefore how to change a protocol
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as their life circumstances change or as goals change.
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Now, today we are going to go even a layer deeper.
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We're going to explore the foundations of your biology
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in your brain and body that allow any protocol to work
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because as it turns out, all of the protocols out there,
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whether or not it's a breathing protocol or a supplement
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or a prescription drug or an exercise routine,
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they all tap into and leverage a core set
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of just a few biological mechanisms.
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That's right.
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Beneath everything you are able to do and feel,
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and indeed beneath every protocol that allows you
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to change for the better and optimize your mental health,
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physical health, and performance,
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there's just a small subset of chemicals
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that you're leveraging toward that change.
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So today we're going to talk about the four major pillars
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of neurochemistry that allow you to, for instance,
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be focused when you want to focus,
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that allow you to relax when you need to relax
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and de-stress, that allow you to optimize your sleep,
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that allow you to optimize your exercise routine,
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or to work through a pain point in relationship
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or in career or in your relationship to yourself.
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So what I can say for sure is that by the end
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of this episode, you will have a much richer understanding
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about how your brain and nervous system
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and indeed your entire body work,
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and you will have a much firmer understanding
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as to which protocols and tools to reach for
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given your particular goals in the moment,
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in the day, across the week, across the month,
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across the year, and indeed across your entire lifespan.
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So what we're really going for today are principles,
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deeper understanding of why any given protocol works,
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and we are also going to discuss specific protocols.
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Some of those protocols I've discussed
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on previous episodes of the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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but I must say many of the protocols and tools
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that I will discuss are brand new
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and based on research that I have not discussed at all,
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simply because the research papers came out only recently,
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or these are papers that I only recently unearthed.
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In fact, I'm going to share with you two recent studies
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in a moment that are exceedingly important
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for optimizing your sleep, and these are studies that,
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again, I've never discussed in any episode on sleep
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or on any other podcast.
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So by the end of today's episode,
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you're going to have far more knowledge
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about your biology and psychology
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than you did at the start,
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and you'll be armed with many more tools,
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and most importantly, principles so that you can navigate
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not just the tools presented on this podcast,
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but in the vast landscape of tools that are out there
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for mental health, physical health, and performance.
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but that catalog of supplements
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and a good number of them that we've talked about,
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some of the more prominent ones for sleep and focus
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Every so often, I come across a study or set of studies
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that I get so excited about
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that I start telling everybody in my immediate life,
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and I insist on also sharing it with you,
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the listeners of this podcast,
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because I find the information
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to be so incredibly interesting and actionable.
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The two studies that I'm going to discuss
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both relate to sleep and sleep states
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and how to access better sleep.
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The first one was published in the journal Cell Reports,
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Cell Press Journal, excellent journal.
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The title of this paper is
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Rapid and Reversible Control of Human Metabolism
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by Individual Sleep States.
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We will provide a link to the study in the show captions.
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The first author is Nora Nowak, N-O-W-A-K.
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And basically what they did is they measured
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the different forms of metabolism that occur
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while humans sleep.
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As far as I know, this is one of the first studies
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of this kind.
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There are many studies of metabolism.
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There are many studies of sleep.
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This study focused on how different states of sleep,
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such as rapid eye movement sleep,
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which is associated with dreaming
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and high emotional content dreams versus slow wave sleep,
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which tends to be more focused on physical repair
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of the body, more mundane dreams,
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how those different states of mind during sleep
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relate to different aspects of metabolism.
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And what they found was absolutely fascinating.
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First of all, they found that sleep states regulate
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more than 50%, half of all the metabolite features
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detected in human breath.
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What does that mean?
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Well, it turns out that you can figure out
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what humans are metabolizing in particular,
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more lipids or more carbohydrate,
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whether or not they're relying more on glucose metabolism
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based on the contents of their breath.
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This is true during waking and during sleep.
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And this is what allowed them to do
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these incredible measurements
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of what's being metabolized during sleep.
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They measured close to 2,000 metabolites in breath
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every 10 seconds across the entire night's sleep.
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And what they found was that there are major pathways
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related to lipid metabolism, fat metabolism,
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or to carbohydrate metabolism or other forms of metabolism
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that are up or down regulated as human beings transition
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between slow wave sleep, rapid eye movement sleep,
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and waking, and you might say waking.
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Well, yes, they also looked as people fell asleep
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and as they emerged from sleep, and believe it or not,
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every so often during sleep, you wake up,
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you didn't know this,
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but you wake up in the middle of the night,
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you look around and you go back to sleep.
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You're not aware of it
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because you're still in a rather sleep-like state,
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although you are awake.
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What they found was that sleep
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and the various states of sleep
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regulated individual metabolic pathways.
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They found, for instance,
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that the switch from sleep to wakefulness
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reduces fatty acid oxidation.
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So that means while you're asleep,
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you're oxidating more fatty acids.
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And as you wake up, that becomes less the case.
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And there's a switch in slow wave sleep
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that increases fatty acid oxidation.
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And there's this transition from rapid eye movement sleep
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to other aspects of sleep
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that brings about things like the so-called TCA cycle.
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Some of you familiar with metabolism
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will be familiar with the TCA cycle,
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the so-called tricarbolic acid cycle,
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intermediates, that's fancy nerd speak
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for specific aspects of metabolism being regulated
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during this rapid eye movement sleep transition.
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What does all this mean?
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And how is this actionable?
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Well, on many episodes of the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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such as the master sleep episode
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and the episode that we're going into in further depth today,
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we're going to talk about sleep and how to optimize sleep.
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It's been thought of, but not really tamped down,
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that quality and depth of sleep and duration of sleep
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is important for metabolism during the daytime.
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And indeed, that's the case.
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If people are sleep deprived or they're not sleeping enough,
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things like glucose metabolism, et cetera,
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get really disrupted during the daytime.
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But what this current study shows
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is that the metabolism that you experience during sleep,
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or to be more specific,
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the range of different types of metabolism
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that you experience during sleep may serve to tune up
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or to ensure that the specific aspects of metabolism
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that you require during wakefulness are working properly.
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In addition to that,
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this study clearly shows that getting enough sleep
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allows you to transition
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through all the various forms of metabolism
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and use all those different forms of metabolites
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during sleep in a way that's immensely beneficial
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for the systems of your brain and body.
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So the take-home message here is that as the authors state,
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sleep and experiencing the different states of sleep,
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slow wave sleep early in the night predominantly
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plus rapid eye movement sleep toward the end of the night
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is extremely important for optimizing metabolic circuits
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for human performance and health.
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In other words, by not getting sufficient duration sleep,
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you're not allowing your body and brain to transition
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through all the different aspects of fuel utilization,
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and you're not teaching your brain and body
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how to use similar types of fuels during wakefulness.
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So again, all of this points to the fact
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that we need to be getting sufficient quality
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and duration of sleep.
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So if you're sleep deprived even by an hour or so,
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you're going to get far less rapid eye movement sleep
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because rapid eye movement sleep
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is what occurs toward the end of a sleep night.
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During the early part of the night,
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far more slow wave sleep.
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In getting less rapid eye movement sleep,
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we know it makes you more emotionally labile,
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but now we know it's also going to alter certain forms
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of glucose metabolism during the night
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and during wakefulness.
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So that all underscores the need to get sleep.
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But then the question is how to get enough sleep
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and how to make sure you get
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into all these different sleep states.
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And this is particularly important
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for you so-called night owls.
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There's a lot of controversy out there
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as to whether or not different so-called chronotypes exist.
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That is people who just naturally
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or genetically want to be an early bird,
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wake up early and go to bed early.
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So these people that wake up at 4 a.m.
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and would be most comfortable going to bed
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by 7 or 8 p.m. or 9 p.m.
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Then there are so-called night owls,
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people that would feel best or tend to feel best
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when they go to sleep at 1 a.m., 2 a.m., even 3 a.m.
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and like to wake up later, 8, 9, 10,
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or even 11 a.m. or noon.
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And then of course, most people go to sleep somewhere
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between 10 p.m. and midnight
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and wake up somewhere between 5 a.m. and 7 a.m.
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Or I suppose more typically 6 a.m. and 8 a.m.
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Now, whether or not real chronotypes exist
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or whether or not people simply select schedules
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for sleep and wakefulness that they like
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because of their social schedules
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or the activities they enjoy.
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For instance, some people like to really go out.
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They like to go out dancing or hear music
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or spend time in venues that are only open late at night
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and don't even open until noon or after.
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Other people like myself rarely go out at night,
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but I like to get up early, I like to exercise,
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I like to see the sunrise, et cetera.
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So I don't know if I'm a morning person
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or an evening person.
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I just know the things I enjoy tend to happen
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in the early part of the day
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and the things that I don't enjoy quite as much
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tend to happen late at night.
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Regardless of whether or not
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there are real genetic propensities to be a night owl
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or an early bird
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or a sort of typical person right there in the middle,
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it's very important that people have some control
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over their sleep schedule.
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And even more important,
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that people are able to get sufficient amount of REM sleep
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and slow wave sleep for many reasons,
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but including the reasons I discussed
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in the previous study related to metabolism.
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I'm very excited therefore about a study
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that came out in sleep medicine.
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This was a few years ago, but somehow I missed this one.
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It was published in 2019.
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And the title of this article
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is resetting the late timing of night owls
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has a positive impact on mental health,
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physical health and performance.
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This is a study done in humans,
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focusing specifically on people
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that like to stay up late and sleep in,
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but who desire to be able to get up and feel alert
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in order to go to work or study.
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And they want to go to sleep a bit earlier.
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And so there are a lot of questions embedded in this study,
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in particular,
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whether or not people can actually shift their schedule
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by a few hours or more.
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Some people out there contend that if you're a night owl,
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that's just going to be impossible
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or very, very challenging to do.
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Turns out it's not impossible
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and it's not even that challenging to do
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provided you do the right things.
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Just a brief overview of the study,
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and then I'll give you the key takeaways.
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It was a randomized control trial.
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It involved a number of different people,
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both male and female.
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And what they did was they use non-pharmacological,
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practical interventions in a real world setting.
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Here I'm paraphrasing.
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They use targeted light exposure.
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They used consistent sleep wake times.
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They used fixed meal times, caffeine intake, and exercise.
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And this is one of the reasons I love this study so much
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because I've done episodes where I've talked about
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temperature, exercise, feeding,
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and most importantly, light exposure as a way
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to control and shift your sleep wake cycles,
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your so-called circadian timing and entrainment.
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What did they find?
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Well, they found, quote,
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significant improvements in terms of mood,
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so far less depression and stress,
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subjectively measured,
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as well as improved cognitive performance
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that was objectively measured,
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so improved reaction times,
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improved physical grip strength,
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which is actually a measure not just of strength per se,
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but also nervous system function,
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and a number of things that people could do
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in order to optimize their morning hours
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even though they were night owls previously.
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What do they have people do?
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Well, I'm just going to list this off
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in sort of a rapid fire succession.
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Then we'll provide a link to the study
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if you want to learn more.
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First of all, they told participants
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to try and wake up two to three hours
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before their typical wake up time,
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two to three hours.
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That seems brutal to me and probably seems brutal to you
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if you're somebody who typically wakes up at 10 a.m.
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to try and get up at eight or even seven a.m. consistently.
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But they were also asked to maximize
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at outdoor light exposure during the mornings
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for reasons that if you've listened to this podcast before,
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if you've heard me talk about before,
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that I'm constantly talking about,
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I'll probably go into the grave shouting,
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please get as much light exposure
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from sunlight early in the day as possible
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because it sets in motion a huge number of things
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that are beneficial for your mental health
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and physical health, including dopamine production,
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timing melatonin production correctly,
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reducing cortisol peaks late in the day, et cetera, et cetera.
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So they asked them to get a lot of outdoor light exposure.
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They didn't give them a specific amount
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where they said maximize outdoor light exposure
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during the mornings, the time before noon.
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And again, they had them waking up two to three hours
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before their habitual wake up time.
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They were also told, and this is very important
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if you're going to shift your schedule earlier,
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to try and keep sleep wake times fixed
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between their workdays and their weekends.
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So not sleeping in on the weekends
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or not having any sleep in days,
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regardless of how well they slept the night before.
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How fixed?
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Within 15 to 30 minutes of their predesignated time.
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So if they were waking up at seven o'clock one day,
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they set their alarm and they made sure they got out of bed
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at seven o'clock every day, plus or minus 30 minutes,
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but never later than 7.30, never earlier than 6.30.
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Participants were also asked to try and go to sleep
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two to three hours before their habitual bedtime.
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So again, these are people that want to stay up late,
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like 11 p.m. perhaps, but even as late as 1 a.m. or 2 a.m.
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And now they are asked to go to sleep two to three hours
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before the habitual bedtime
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and to wake up two to three hours earlier,
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as I mentioned earlier.
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They were also told, and I love this
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because it fits with many of the things we've talked about
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on this podcast before,
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to try and limit light exposure during the evenings.
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Dim the lights or limit altogether artificial lights.
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Lot of reasons for that.
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I covered that in the master sleep episode.
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I covered that in the optimize health using light episode.
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You can find those at hubermanlab.com.
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They're asking them to do that here.
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And they asked participants to keep a regular schedule
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for their daily meals, not eating on the hour consistently,
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you know, at 9 a.m., noon, 3 p.m. exactly,
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but within, again, about 15 to 30 minutes,
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they're always eating at the same times.
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That was also important.
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And again, that's because we have these so-called
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food-entrained circadian clocks.
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When you eat tells your body when to be alert
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and when you're not eating, when to be asleep.
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And they were told to not drink any caffeine
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after 3 p.m. in the afternoon,
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another theme that we've talked about on this podcast.
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They were also told not to take naps after 4 p.m.
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Naps are an interesting feature of the sleep-wake cycle.
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To be very brief about this and to pull from the episode
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that I did with world sleep expert
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from University of California, Berkeley, Matt Walker,
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naps are great for many people,
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but don't nap if it interferes with your nighttime sleep.
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And in this study, they told them don't nap after 4 p.m.
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And if you are a napper, don't nap for more than 90 minutes.
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10 minute naps are fine, 20 minute naps are fine,
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zero minute naps are fine,
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but don't nap for more than 90 minutes
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and don't nap after 4 p.m.
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And to exercise during the morning.
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Now this one can be a bit controversial
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because I know a lot of the PTs out there
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and a lot of the online, you know,
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gym rats and people who, and runners too for that matter,
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will say, well, according to body temperature and research,
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it's best to exercise in the afternoon.
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Look, it's better to exercise sometime as opposed to no time
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but if you're focused on how to shift your schedule earlier,
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meaning get up early and go to sleep earlier,
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this study had people exercise in the early part of the day,
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certainly before 2 p.m. and ideally before noon.
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So again, this is a really important study
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because it combines a lot of different variables
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to arrive at this very impressive shift
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where people can get up two to three hours earlier
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and then pretty consistently and reflexively
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start going to bed two to three hours earlier,
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feeling more alert during the day.
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Again, improvements in cognitive performance,
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mood and physical performance, grip strength, et cetera.
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Very few studies are able to or willing to tackle
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so many variables and combine them in one study.
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This paper I think does a marvelous job of doing this
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and is incorporating things that individually
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each have some support for them in animal studies
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and previous human studies.
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But as far as I know, this is one of the few studies
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that really combines all these different features
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in one place.
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Eating times, keeping those consistent,
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getting maximal sunlight exposure earlier in the day,
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getting up at a consistent time,
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going to sleep at a consistent time and on and on.
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It's a really marvelous study for that reason.
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And I think for any of you that are night owls
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and any of you that want to reinforce your early waking
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and early to bedtimes, and I think for most all of you
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who fall into that general middle category
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of tend to go to sleep somewhere between 10 p.m.
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and midnight, because that's most people
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and tend to wake up sometime between 6 a.m. and 8 a.m.,
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well, maybe you want to become more of an early riser
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or maybe you're going to travel
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or the seasons are changing and you want to shift your time
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or you have a new job, et cetera,
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or something that's actually very common
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in terms of relationship struggle.
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You want to match your wake sleep times
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or maybe you want to offset your wake sleep times
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from a significant other.
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These sorts of approaches that I described here
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and that are supported by the data in this paper
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are absolutely powerful and science supported.
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And I'm certain that if you were to apply them
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that you would see essentially the same effects
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that were observed here.
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Before we begin, I'd like to emphasize
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that this podcast is separate from my teaching
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and research roles at Stanford.
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It is, however, part of my desire and effort
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to bring zero cost to consumer information about science
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and science-related tools to the general public.
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Let's talk about how to optimize
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for sake of health and performance.
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Now, in order to do that,
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we all need to be on the same page about some basic facts.
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Some of those basic facts involve learning
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some basic biology.
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And I promise that even if you don't have a biology
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or chemistry background,
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everything I'm about to say
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should be accessible and clear to you.
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The important thing to know is that your brain
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and your spinal cord
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and the rest of your so-called nervous system
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control all the organs of your body
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and that all the organs of your body feed back,
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meaning they communicate through chemicals
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and other means to your nervous system.
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Now, your nervous system plays a particularly important role
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in generating everything from sleep to wakefulness,
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creativity, stress, calm, et cetera,
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by way of a particular type of cell-cell interaction.
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And that's called synaptic communication.
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What is synaptic communication?
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Well, in order to understand that,
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let's dial back a little bit further
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and try and understand for a moment
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what makes up your nervous system.
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In its simplest form, your nervous system
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is made of nerve cells that we call neurons.
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Neurons communicate with one another through chemicals.
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They release certain chemicals that make other neurons
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more or less likely to be electrically active.
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What do we mean by electrically active?
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We mean, as it sounds,
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electricity passing down through cells
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and then literally causing electricity in other cells.
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The simplest way to think about this
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is maybe when you were a kid or maybe even still now,
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you would wear socks and you'd shuffle along the floor
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to generate some static electricity
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and then you'd touch someone
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and you'd shock them with your finger.
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I'm a younger brother,
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so I'd occasionally do that to my sister.
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I had friends, we would do that to one another.
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I know it's kind of silly and childish,
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yet it illustrates the principle
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that we can generate electricity
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and pass electricity to other beings
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or in the case of neurons, from one neuron to the next.
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The way neurons do that is that in between the neurons,
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they're little spaces.
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Those little spaces are called synapses
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and neurons literally vomit.
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Well, they don't literally vomit,
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but they release little packets
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of so-called transmitter chemical
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into that space we call a synapse.
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It travels across the synapse.
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It attaches to the cell on the other side, the other neuron.
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And then depending on what that chemical is,
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it either makes that next neuron more electrically active
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or less electrically active, so-called excitation.
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It either excites the next neuron
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to be electrically active also,
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or it inhibits, it prevents the next neuron
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from being electrically active.
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So again, very simply, we have nerve cells
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that communicate with one another
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through electricity and chemicals
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that inspire that electricity.
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And the little gaps between neurons are called synapses.
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If you can understand that,
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I'm certain you can make it through the rest of the episode
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and that you will get all the depth
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and important detail that you need to know.
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But I want to go just a little bit further
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and explain that neurons don't just talk one-to-one.
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There are trillions of neurons in your nervous system
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that allow you to be happy, to be in love, to be sad,
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to be in grief, to remember things and so on.
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And what you do at any moment,
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what you feel and what you think,
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relates to which so-called neural circuits are active.
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So a lot of times we think about brain areas
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and we've all seen these pictures of the brain
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where someone was in a FMRI scanner
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or they were in a brain scanner of some sort
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and they saw a picture of something
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and a certain area of the brain lights up as it's called.
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That lighting up of the brain really reflects the activity
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of hundreds, if not thousands,
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maybe even millions of neurons in that region.
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Those images of brain areas lighting up
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and indeed talking about brain areas lighting up
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can be a little bit or a lot misleading
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because in fact, no single brain area
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controls any one single perception
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or behavior or feeling state.
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Rather, we have so-called neural circuits,
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chains of neurons, chains of specific neurons, that is,
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that create different states of mind
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that lead to specific behaviors,
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that lead to specific emotional states.
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And those neural circuits are made up
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of lots of different brain areas
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that light up in particular sequences.
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And when I say light up, excuse me,
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what I mean is that particular brain areas
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either excite or prevent the excitation,
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that is, they inhibit other brain areas
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in a particular sequence.
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Much like keys on a piano played in a particular sequence
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makes up a particular song,
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particular brain areas activated or made silent
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in a particular sequence leads to a particular behavior,
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like getting up out of a chair
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or a particular feeling state,
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like being particularly happy one day when you wake up
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or particularly depressed,
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whether or not that depression is caused by a life event
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or whether or not it arises spontaneously.
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So we have neurons, we have synapses,
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and we have neural circuits.
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And vitally important is the fact
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that which neural circuits are active
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and which neural circuits are likely to be less active
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at any given moment
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depends on two major categories of chemicals.
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It depends on hormones
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and it depends on so-called neuromodulators.
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Now, we're mainly going to focus on neuromodulators today
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because those are the things
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that if you can learn to control them,
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and indeed there are tools to control them,
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then you can control which neural circuits
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are more likely or less likely to be active in you
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at any given moment.
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And in doing so, you can control whether or not
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you are going to be alert and focused or deeply asleep.
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You can control whether or not
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you are going to be in a creative state
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or whether or not you're going to be in a state of mind,
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more fit, more capable that is of doing focused work
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or math or more so-called linear types of work
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where there's a correct answer.
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There's a specific thing to follow
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and you're simply going to plug and chug as it were
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through a particular set of steps
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in order to accomplish something.
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Or for instance, whether or not
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you're going to be in a more relaxed and creative state
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where you're thinking about new ideas
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or new ideas are just seem to be
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spontaneously coming to mind.
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All of that can be controlled to a considerable extent
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by leveraging these so-called neuromodulators.
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What are neuromodulators?
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Neuromodulators are particular chemicals
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that make it likely that certain neural circuits
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will be active and not others.
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And the four neuromodulators
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that we're going to talk about today
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that are of the utmost importance for your goals
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are dopamine, epinephrine, also called adrenaline,
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serotonin, and acetylcholine.
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That's dopamine, epinephrine, serotonin, and acetylcholine.
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Today, I'm going to teach you
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how each of those different categories
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of neuromodulators work and the things that you can do
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to control those neuromodulators,
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that is increase them or decrease them
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through behavioral tools and supplementation
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in ways that allow you to access the brain and body states
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that you want at the times that you want.
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Just very quickly,
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I want to talk about how neuromodulators are able to work
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regardless of whether or not it's dopamine or serotonin
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or epinephrine, et cetera.
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There are many features of how neuromodulators work,
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but for sake of today's discussion,
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we only need to focus on two of those features.
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And those are fast acting features
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and longer slower features
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or what we call baseline features.
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What am I talking about when I say faster or baseline?
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Well, consider that at any given moment,
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whether or not you're asleep or awake,
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whether or not it's morning or afternoon or night,
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you have some amount of dopamine being released
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in your brain and body, some amount of serotonin,
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some amount of epinephrine,
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and some amount of acetylcholine.
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It is rarely, if ever the case,
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that you have zero dopamine or zero serotonin.
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So often we hear about someone being dopamine depleted,
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or these days you hear a lot about that anyways,
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or you'll hear that people's serotonin is bottomed out.
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In reality, none of these neuromodulators
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ever disappear completely,
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but they tend to be present at different levels
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or different relative levels.
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Another important thing to point out
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is that they don't work alone.
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In fact, as you'll soon learn,
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dopamine and epinephrine are close cousins
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that collaborate in terms of creating states
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of focus and motivation, for instance,
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or in creating states of energy
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and the pursuit of particular goals.
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When I say they're close cousins,
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what I mean is that they tend to impact
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some of the same neural circuits,
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and believe it or not,
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dopamine and epinephrine are chemically related too.
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I'll just tell you right now that epinephrine
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is actually derived from dopamine chemically.
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Epinephrine, that is adrenaline,
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is made from the molecule dopamine.
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Now, dopamine and serotonin can also work together
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to impact certain circuits in the brain,
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but in large part, they operate on separate circuits.
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And acetylcholine, which you'll soon learn
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is involved in states of focus and can actually open up.
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It can literally create states in the mind
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in which your brain is more plastic
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and able to change and learn more quickly.
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Well, acetylcholine can do that on its own,
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but rarely does it do it on its own.
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More typically, it gets assistance
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from some of the other neuromodulators.
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Now, that might seem like it complicates the picture,
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but it actually makes the picture far simpler
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because what we can say for sure
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is that the fast actions of dopamine,
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or the fast actions of epinephrine,
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serotonin, or acetylcholine are actions that occur
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on the order of seconds or minutes
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or up to about an hour or so.
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Whereas the slower actions of those neuromodulators
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tend to occur on the order of hours, days, or even weeks.
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Now, perhaps surprisingly, I'd like to focus
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on the slow actions of the neuromodulators first,
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because those slow actions of the neuromodulators
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are happening in you and in me and in everyone right now.
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And they set the backdrop, the context,
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in which the various tools to manipulate dopamine,
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epinephrine, serotonin, or acetylcholine will work.
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What do I mean by the context or the backdrop
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or the baseline?
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Well, it's fair to say that most people
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are awake during the daytime and asleep at night.
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I do realize that there are people
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who are going to be doing shift work
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or they're raising young children,
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or that might have a sick person at home
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that they're tending to, et cetera,
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or even have insomnia, they're tending to them.
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So schedules of sleep and wakefulness will vary,
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but in general, everybody,
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regardless of whether or not you're nocturnal
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or you're so-called diurnal, you're awake during the day,
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pretty much everybody follows a schedule
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in which from zero to nine hours after waking,
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that is from the time you wake up
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until about nine hours later,
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the neuromodulators dopamine and epinephrine
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tend to be at their highest levels
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that they will be at any point in the 24 hour period,
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in any period of the day.
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So we can call this zero to nine hour period
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phase one of the day, just for simplicity.
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And I've referred to this before in a previous episode,
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but not in this exact context.
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From nine to about 16 hours is what we will call phase two.
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And that's when dopamine and epinephrine levels
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tend to subside a bit compared to the earlier phase one
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part of the day, and serotonin levels start to increase.
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And then phase three of the 24 hour cycle,
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which is from about, and again,
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about the zero approximates,
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from about 17 hours after waking
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until about 24 hours after waking
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is phase three of the day.
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And during that time, there is chaos
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in terms of which neuromodulators
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are most present in the brain.
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And why chaos, what I mean is that during sleep,
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you have incredible peaks in acetylcholine
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and drops in acetylcholine.
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You have incredible peaks in dopamine
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and drops in dopamine.
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You have incredible peaks in serotonin
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and drops in serotonin.
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Most often, you are not going to see much,
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if any, release of epinephrine, adrenaline.
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And that's because epinephrine, also called adrenaline,
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tends to wake us up and put us into action mode behaviors.
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And that's simply not happening during sleep.
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But for the other three neuromodulators,
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across the night, it's sort of chaos.
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You've got peaks and drops and peaks and drops
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in different combinations
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than you would ever see in wakefulness.
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And this plays important roles in dreaming,
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important roles in some of the reparative functions of sleep.
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The point is that during that phase three,
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the levels of neuromodulators are all over the place,
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but it's not random, right?
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I say it's chaos, but it's organized
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according to the specific reparative goals of sleep,
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the specific metabolic roles of sleep, et cetera.
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We're not going to focus too much on phase three today,
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because phase three of the 24 hour cycle,
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that 17 to 24 hour period,
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is one in which you ought to be deeply asleep,
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whether or not you're nocturnal or diurnal, right?
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17 hours after waking, you ought to be asleep.
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And there are a lot of episodes of this podcast,
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and indeed today I started talking about
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two particular studies related to sleep.
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There are a lot of tools to enhance sleep, et cetera.
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And of course, there are things that you can do
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in the late portion of phase two of the day
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in order to enhance your transition time
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into and depth of sleep.
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But you can't really do much during sleep, right?
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You're not taking supplements,
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you're not doing breathing practices.
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There are things to fall back asleep,
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but you're not really doing much during sleep.
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So we're mainly going to focus
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on what we're calling phase one and phase two.
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Phase one being this dopamine epinephrine dominated
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phase of our day, and phase two being this more serotonergic
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or serotonin dominated portion of the day.
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And then you might say, well, what about acetylcholine?
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Forgot about acetylcholine.
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Well, we didn't forget about acetylcholine.
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Acetylcholine is under control more in terms
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of what we happen to be doing at any given moment,
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whether or not we're focusing or not focusing,
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whether or not we're learning or not learning.
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And here I'm referring to acetylcholine specifically
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in the context of the brain and thinking,
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because as some of you are probably shouting out there,
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right, if you're exercise physiologists
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or you know anything about how the brain controls movement,
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acetylcholine is used at the nerve to muscle synapse, right?
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So neurons don't just control other neurons electrically.
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The way you're able to move in fact is
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because neurons are controlling the electric activity
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of muscles, literally the contraction of muscle fibers,
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and that control is exerted
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through the release of acetylcholine.
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So acetylcholine is working at muscles as well,
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but we're not focused on that today.
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We're focused on what we can do during phase one of the day
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and what we can do during phase two of the day
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to control the specific neuromodulators,
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dopamine, epinephrine, serotonin, and acetylcholine
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toward particular end goals.
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And as I've been harping on for the last five
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or 10 minutes or so, it is important to understand
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that in the early phase one part of the day,
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again, zero to nine hours,
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dopamine and epinephrine already dominate
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the neuromodulator landscape.
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That is, they are already elevated
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and then they will taper off in phase two.
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Whereas in phase two of the day,
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serotonin tends to dominate
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more than dopamine and epinephrine.
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And so if you think about that,
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what it means is that if your goal is to increase serotonin
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in order to get some particular effect
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on your mental performance or physical performance or health,
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or if your goal is to increase your dopamine
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or epinephrine to get some particular effect
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on your mental health, physical performance, et cetera,
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well, then you need to consider what the background level
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of dopamine or epinephrine or serotonin happens to be.
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Because in doing so, you will know which tool to select
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and how hard you need to push on that tool, right?
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If your levels of dopamine are already riding pretty high
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because it's the early part of the day,
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well, then it doesn't take a whole lot more
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to get dopamine to a level in which it can, for instance,
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change your level of motivation.
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Whereas if you are in the late part of the day,
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let's say eight or 9 p.m.
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and you have a lot of serotonin
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swimming around in your system
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and you really need to be focused and alert,
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well, you can do that by leveraging
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the dopamine and epinephrine system
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and indeed the acetylcholine system too,
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but you're going to have to resort to tools
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that can do that far more potently
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and that can do that in a much more sustained way
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if you're going to access the state that you want.
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So again, it's really important to understand
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what the backdrop of these neuromodulators is,
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the so-called baseline, and that they vary across the day
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if you're going to be able to leverage tools
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to optimize your brain chemistry.
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Anyone that tells you do this protocol
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in order to increase your dopamine, do this protocol
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or take this supplement to increase your serotonin,
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they can be telling you the absolute truth,
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but if you don't consider the backdrop
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over which that supplement or behavior
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is going to have its effect,
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well, then you can't really predict the effect it will have,
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but if you can understand these backdrop baseline elements
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to how neuromodulators work,
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well, then you're in a terrific position
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to leverage the best tools in the immediate and short-term
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and that is on the order of seconds, minutes, and hours.
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Before we dive into the more pointed, directed effects
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of specific tools on neuromodulators,
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I'd like to just briefly mention hormones
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because they are also important for understanding
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the background and the context
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and these baseline levels of neuromodulators.
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Now, here I'm going to paint with a bit of a broad brush,
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but what I will say is accurate
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even though it might not be exhaustive.
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What I mean by that is everything I'm about to say is true,
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but it doesn't cover every example in detail
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and nuanced possibility out there.
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Hormones have many different effects on the brain and body
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and not unlike neuromodulators,
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some of those effects are very fast,
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some of them are very slow.
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In fact, certain hormones, for instance,
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the steroid hormones like estrogen and like testosterone
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and corticosterones, and here, of course,
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I'm referring to the steroid hormones for what they are.
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They are indeed steroid hormones,
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but I'm not talking about steroids
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that people inject for sports performance
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or for physical augmentation.
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I'm talking about the steroid hormones
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that you make naturally
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because indeed you make these naturally.
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Well, the steroid hormones
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can actually control gene expression.
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They can change the identity of cells
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and the genes and proteins that cells express.
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This is why during puberty, for instance,
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testosterone and estrogen are released into the body,
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growth hormone is released into the body,
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and bodies and voices and personalities and brains
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change tremendously because literally
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there is a transformation of the breast tissue,
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of the testicular tissue, of the ovarian tissue,
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of the bones, of the muscles,
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of the tissues and cells that control hair growth.
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Gene expression changes in all those cell types
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and the child becomes an adolescent, becomes a young adult.
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That's what puberty really is.
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In fact, puberty is perhaps the most dramatic transformation
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that we go through in our entire lifespan
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in terms of our aging,
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because indeed it reflects a very rapid,
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I should mention, period of aging,
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and transformation of the identity of cells.
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So steroid hormones and other hormones
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can have very slow, long-lasting actions in that way.
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They can also have very fast actions.
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So for instance, adrenaline, epinephrine,
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released from the adrenal glands
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can immediately make your heart beat faster,
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can immediately change the circumference
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of your blood vessels and arteries and capillaries
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and change the way blood flows.
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It can change the way you see the world, literally.
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It does change the way you see the world
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through your visual system.
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And that all happens on the order
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of hundreds of milliseconds or seconds.
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These are extremely fast actions.
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Corticosteroid also can have fast actions and slow actions.
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But since this isn't a discussion about hormones per se,
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and we've done entire episodes like the optimized
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testosterone and estrogen episode,
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you can find that at hubermanlab.com
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or the interview with the incredibly knowledgeable
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and clear and really wonderful tutor
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of actionable information, Dr. Kyle Gillette,
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who is also on this podcast.
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You can learn a lot about hormones there.
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Today, we want to think about hormones
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as they relate to these neuromodulators,
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the dopamine, serotonin, epinephrine, and acetylcholine.
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And in general, testosterone tends to collaborate
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with and increase the action of dopamine.
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That's not always the case, but in general,
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when testosterone goes up, dopamine goes up.
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And sometimes even vice versa,
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when dopamine goes up, testosterone go up.
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And this is true for both males and for females.
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In general, when corticosterones like cortisol
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and some related steroid hormones increase,
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epinephrine levels go up.
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And in general, when hormones like oxytocin
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or prolactin are increased, levels of serotonin go up.
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We can't draw a direct link between any one hormone system
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and acetylcholine.
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Acetylcholine kind of sits off in a category
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of its own in that way.
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But again, in general, testosterone and dopamine
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tend to collaborate in the same direction.
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Cortisol and epinephrine tend to collaborate
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in the same direction.
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Oxytocin and prolactin, which are hormones,
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and serotonin tend to collaborate in the same direction.
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And then we have poor old lonely acetylcholine
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off on its own, but it's not poor and lonely.
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It actually has incredibly potent effects on its own.
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So it's really that it just doesn't need much help
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from the hormone systems,
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or at least not the steroid hormone systems
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in order to have its tremendous effects.
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Now, a lot of what people think about and will do
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when trying to improve mental health and physical health
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is they will try and increase or decrease
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certain categories of hormones of the sort that I mentioned,
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testosterone, estrogen, oxytocin, prolactin, and so on.
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But oftentimes the effects of those manipulations
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in hormones that are going to be most salient
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are not going to be due to the direct effects
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of those hormones.
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Sometimes it could be,
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but oftentimes it's going to be due to their effects
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on the brain and nervous system
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by way of how those hormones impact neuromodulators.
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So for instance, there are various things
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that people can do, both men and women,
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to increase their testosterone and estrogen
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in the appropriate ratios.
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I talked about one such approach in a previous episode,
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and that is to get sunlight onto a large portion
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of one's skin each day.
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Believe it or not, this actually works,
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and it works because your skin
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is actually an endocrine organ, a hormone secreting organ.
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It's a beautiful study.
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I've covered it on this podcast before.
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We will provide a link to this study again,
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but it had people spend at least 20 minutes or so,
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closer to 30 minutes each day,
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trying to maximize sunlight exposure
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to as much of their skin as they could
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in terms of still maintaining decent exposure,
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meaning not overexposing themselves in a cultural way,
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meaning wearing enough clothes that they were decent,
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but still getting a lot of sun exposure
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a couple of times per week or more.
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What they found was that people's testosterone
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and estrogen levels went up, feelings of wellbeing went up,
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feelings of well, or I should say,
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increases in libido were observed as well.
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They subjectively reported more passion, et cetera.
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Testosterone and estrogen did indeed both go up.
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And again, I want to highlight that increases in estrogen,
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not just testosterone, are related to increases in libido
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in both men and women.
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This is why you never want to crush your estrogen
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down to zero, whether or not you're male or female,
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if you want to maintain some sort of healthy libido.
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And general feelings of wellbeing unrelated to libido.
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Well, many of those effects we know
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are not due to direct effects of testosterone and estrogen,
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but rather are due to the effects of testosterone
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and estrogen on the neuromodulators, dopamine and serotonin,
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because much of libido and feelings of wellbeing
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and feelings of relaxation,
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but also desire, motivation, et cetera,
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originate because of the activation of neural circuits
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that dopamine controls and promotes,
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and that serotonin promote and control.
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So this is very important to understand
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as we move toward more specific discussion of the chemicals
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that we call neuromodulators,
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because hormones are controlling those neuromodulators
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in a very slow modulatory way.
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So yes, I said it, hormones modulate neuromodulators.
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I sort of said it twice on purpose.
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And this is a dramatic and potent effect.
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So I'll just give you one more example.
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The hormone prolactin tends to be antagonistic.
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It tends to reduce amounts of dopamine,
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or at least when prolactin levels are high,
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dopamine levels tend to be lower.
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You observe this after the birth of a new child,
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you observe this postcoitally after mating in all species,
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humans and animals.
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When prolactin is elevated, serotonin tends to be elevated.
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And when prolactin is elevated, levels of dopamine
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and the effects of dopamine tend to subside.
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Now, as I move toward explaining
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what each of the four categories of neuromodulators do,
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this will start to make more and more sense
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as to why this would be.
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I always say I wasn't consulted at the design phase,
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meaning I didn't design these circuits.
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And if anyone tells you that they did,
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you should back away quickly
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because none of us designed these circuits.
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This is the way that evolution and nature
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created these systems.
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And they tend to work in a bit of a seesaw fashion,
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prolactin up, dopamine down, right?
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Dopamine up, prolactin down.
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In general, that is the way they work.
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So if we are to take a look at how each of these
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neuromodulator systems functions on its own,
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while understanding that they never truly function
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on their own, we can start to really make sense
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of the landscape of tools that are available to us
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and which tools are going to be most powerful to select
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if our goal is, for instance, to be focused,
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or if our goal is to be less stressed,
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or if our goal is to be highly motivated
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and highly focused for sake of learning.
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All of that is indeed possible
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if you understand these four neuromodulators
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and you understand that while there are many tools
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ranging from pharmacologic to behavioral
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that can tap into these neuromodulator systems
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that can kind of press on the gas of dopamine,
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pull back on serotonin and so on,
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but that there are particular tools,
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both behavioral and supplementation-based,
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and to some extent, prescription drug-based too,
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and we'll touch on a few of those.
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If you understand that and why they work,
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well then you can create a sort of kit,
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a grab bag of things that you can use in any context,
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or I should say that you can look to,
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depending on the context you're in,
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and create the states of body and mind that you want.
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Now, once again, painting with a somewhat broad brush,
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but nonetheless, an accurate brush,
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we can say that dopamine, when elevated above baseline,
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tends to increase states of motivation,
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both mental and physical motivation,
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drive, and to some extent, focus.
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I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again,
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there's a lot of misconception about dopamine.
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Many people out there think that dopamine
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is all about pleasure, you hear about dopamine hits,
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or people chasing dopamine,
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00:52:43.420
or the need to have a dopamine fast, et cetera.
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Dopamine is not about pleasure,
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dopamine is about motivation, craving, and pursuit,
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for goals or for things that are outside
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our immediate possession and experience.
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The motivation and pursuit of a mate,
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the motivation and pursuit to mate,
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the motivation and pursuit of food,
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the motivation and pursuit of a career goal,
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et cetera, et cetera.
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Things we do not yet have, but that we want,
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and we get into sort of a forward center of mass
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and a pursuit of, and that pursuit can be physical,
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that pursuit can be cognitive,
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it can be both cognitive and physical,
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and it can involve talking about something, right?
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Because in some professions,
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pursuit of things involves talking.
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I think about lawyers, they talk a lot
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in pursuit of winning cases and money, et cetera,
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putting people in jail or keeping people out of jail,
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et cetera, that's done with their mouths,
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not with their bodies.
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Athletes in a state of motivated training
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or in motivated competition use their bodies,
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which all this is obvious, of course,
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but perhaps what is not so obvious is that one molecule,
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not working alone, but predominantly one molecule, dopamine,
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is responsible for all of those motivated states,
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which again underscores the power of these neuromodulators.
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So dopamine, we can think of,
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at least in the context of today's discussion,
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as controlling and indeed promoting motivation,
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drive, and pursuit, and to some extent, focus.
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Epinephrine and a closely related molecule
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called norepinephrine, and again,
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I want to emphasize that epinephrine is adrenaline
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and adrenaline is epinephrine.
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Norepinephrine is noradrenaline
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and noradrenaline is norepinephrine,
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but today we're going to just simply talk
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about epinephrine and norepinephrine.
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That category of neuromodulator is mainly responsible
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for generating our energy,
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our level of fuel and baseline level
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of forward center of mass, as I like to call it.
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You can also think of it as how high your RPM are.
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Now we're not a car and the car analogy sort of falls apart
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as we go further into the biology,
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but it's a decent one for now.
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When epinephrine levels are high, we tend to feel agitated,
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we tend to feel like we want to move,
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we tend to feel like we can't shut down our thinking
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and our anticipation of what's going to happen next.
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And when epinephrine levels are very, very low,
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we actually have less physical energy,
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we tend to have less mental energy
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in terms of generating thoughts very quickly
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and so on and so forth.
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And as I mentioned before,
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dopamine and epinephrine are closely related,
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so much so that we know for a fact
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that epinephrine is actually manufactured
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from the molecule dopamine.
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So that's why I'm talking about these two neuromodulators
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in very close juxtaposition
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because they do indeed collaborate with one another.
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But for sake of today's discussion,
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we can just think of epinephrine as increasing energy.
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Adrenaline increases energy and our state of readiness.
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It also, I should mention, activates our immune system.
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Contrary to popular belief
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that stress inhibits our immune system,
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epinephrine is deployed,
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it's released at great levels in our brain and body
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when we are stressed,
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and that actually protects us
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against infections of multiple kinds,
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at least in the short term.
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That and all the details of that and tools related to that
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were covered in our episode on the immune system,
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if you want to check that out.
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Now, the neuromodulator serotonin
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creates a number of different states in the brain and body,
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but for sake of today's discussion,
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we're going to think about the predominant states
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that it creates,
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and those are states of contentness,
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being happy, feeling fairly relaxed, feeling soothed,
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and to some extent, even some relief from pain
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or lack of pain.
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Serotonin is associated with a feeling of satiety,
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of having enough of what we already have.
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Now, when serotonin is very, very high,
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people can even be sedate.
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They can be completely amotivated,
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no motivation to seek out things like food or sex or work,
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or et cetera.
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Whereas when serotonin levels are very low,
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people can actually exhibit agitation
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and high levels of stress.
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So the levels matter here,
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but again, for sake of today's conversation,
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when we leverage serotonin,
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where you are really leveraging a neuromodulator
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that tends to increase the activity of neural circuits
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in the brain and body that make us feel relaxed and happy,
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and it tends to decrease the activity of neural circuits
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that make us rabidly in pursuit of things
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that we don't have, right?
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The opposite of content and sated is motivation,
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desire, and hunger and thirst for things that we don't have.
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So serotonin is the molecule of peace.
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It is the molecule of contentness.
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It is the molecule of having enough,
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at least for the time being,
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or the feeling that we have enough for the time being.
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Now, acetylcholine is a fourth category of neuromodulator
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that, as I mentioned earlier, is somewhat, not totally,
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but somewhat distinct from any direct control
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by the major hormone systems of the body,
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or at least the major steroid hormone systems.
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And acetylcholine, we can say,
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is mainly associated with states of focus.
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And we can go a step further and say that
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it's mainly associated with steps of focus
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as they relate to learning and encoding new information,
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so-called neuroplasticity.
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Now, neuroplasticity,
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or the brain and nervous system's ability
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to change in response to experience,
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can be impacted by an enormous number of different chemicals,
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not just acetylcholine.
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But acetylcholine has a particularly potent ability
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to open up the thing that we call neuroplasticity
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to allow plasticity to happen in one moment,
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whereas in a previous moment, it could not occur
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because acetylcholine had not been released in the brain
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or in the spinal cord.
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So acetylcholine is involved in focus and in learning,
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but it is not necessarily always associated
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with learning in the context of highly motivated,
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really ramped up states.
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It can be, but acetylcholine can also be released
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and can encourage the learning and neuroplasticity
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associated with calm states.
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For instance, if somebody has a newborn child,
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we know that they are flooded with oxytocin,
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which has actually even been called the love hormone,
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although it does many things in addition
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to control feelings of romantic attachment
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and attachment to children, et cetera.
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It does all of that, but it does a lot more as well.
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But when people have a new child,
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they also tend to be hyper-focused on that child,
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not just its wellbeing, but they narrow all their thinking,
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all their vision, all their hearing to that child
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and their obvious adaptive reasons for wanting to do that.
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I recall a family dinner we had,
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gosh, this was over 10 years ago,
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we had a couple over, my mom was in the habit
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of inviting people over who didn't have places
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to go on the holidays, because that's just who she is,
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and I think it's quite nice.
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So we brought over this couple, they had a newborn,
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I think this baby had been born
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maybe two or three weeks before,
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and it was seated, not seated, it was lying down,
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it couldn't see, it was like a potato bug,
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it barely holds head up,
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but it was lying in a little bassinet on the floor
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as we ate dinner, and it was almost hilarious,
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it actually was hilarious, we laughed a lot about this,
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that the entire meal,
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they were basically staring at this baby,
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they were so clearly in love with the baby
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and so flooded with oxytocin and also prolactin,
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that they couldn't take their focus off this baby,
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it was actually really wonderful and endearing to see,
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but in addition to that, I'd be willing to bet,
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had I been able to do a little bit of micro dialysis,
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which is the ability to measure the amounts
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of neuromodulator at a given location in the brain,
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had I been able to do that experiment on them,
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in that moment, I would have found
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that levels of acetylcholine were exceedingly high
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because they were so hyper-focused on this child,
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not just in love with, but focused on that child,
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and without a doubt, the neural circuits
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related to focus and plasticity were heavily engaged,
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again, for obvious adaptive reasons
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related to child rearing and learning the coos and cries
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and pain signals and pleasure signals of one's offspring.
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So we have dopamine associated with motivation,
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drive, and pursuit, and to some extent, focus.
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We have epinephrine and norepinephrine associated
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with energy of having a forward center of mass,
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mentally and or physically.
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We have serotonin, which is associated
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with a peaceful, content, sated state of being.
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And we have acetylcholine,
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which is associated with focus and in particular focus
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as it relates to learning and encoding new information.
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So let's say you want to be more motivated.
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You want to be more in pursuit of goals,
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and you want to have more energy and to be more focused.
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There are many ways to go about that.
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In fact, there's a near infinite cloud of opportunities,
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everything from prescription drugs to illicit drugs,
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which I certainly do not recommend, supplements, nutrition.
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You can listen to particular music.
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You can do all sorts of cognitive, behavioral,
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nutritional supplementation tricks,
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or you can just understand that what you're really after
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are increases in dopamine above baseline that you control.
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And there are ways to control them that are quite potent.
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And science tells us which tools are going to be
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the most potent and the most versatile for you.
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So I'm going to share those tools with you now
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with the caveat that each one of those tools
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could be its own entire podcast episode
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and that we've done it near entire episodes
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on each of these tools or small collections of these tools.
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So I'm going to cover these in somewhat superficial manner.
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We can provide links to previous episodes
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that relate to each of these tools in detail,
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but I'll give you enough detail about them
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that would allow you to incorporate them into your routine
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should you choose.
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Let's say you want to increase dopamine
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for sake of increasing motivation.
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The first thing to do is to understand
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what the natural behavioral tools are for increasing dopamine
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and to do those as consistently as possible.
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Again, these are tools that you'll want to do
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nearly every day, if not every day.
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And I know I'm sounding like a broken record on this one,
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but here again, we come to sunlight
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and I should say not just the desire to,
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but really the need for viewing the maximum amount
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of sunlight that one can reasonably get
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given schedules and locations in the world,
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time of year, et cetera, in the early part of the day.
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Within the first hour of waking,
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ideally, but certainly in the first three hours of your day,
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you are going to want to maximize sunlight exposure
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to your eyes.
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Never look at the sun or any other light so bright
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that it's painful to look at.
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And yes, of course, blinking is fine,
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but no, take sunglasses off,
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go outside once the sun is out
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and get some natural light in your eyes.
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And if it's appropriate,
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or I should say in a way that's appropriate,
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maximize the amount of sunlight exposure to your skin,
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but please don't get burned.
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Please do wear sunscreen if you're prone to getting burned.
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Typically, early day sunlight is not going to burn you,
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at least not most people,
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unless you're extremely fair skinned.
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So don't get burned,
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do what you need to in order to protect yourself from burn.
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There's some emerging controversy about sunscreen
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and which ones are safe and which ones aren't safe.
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We have not done an episode on that yet,
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but I find it to be an important and interesting topic.
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Daria Rose, Dr. Daria Rose, I should say,
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has a podcast called the Daria Rose Podcast
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01:04:31.220
and did an episode all about sunscreens which are safe,
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which are not safe by interviewing an expert on that.
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So I refer you to that podcast as it relates to sunscreen,
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but get some natural light exposure in your eyes.
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And if you wake up before the sun comes out,
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turn on as many bright lights inside
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as you can turn on reasonably,
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given your electric bill, et cetera.
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Get a lot of bright sunlight exposure early in the day
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and get a lot of sunlight exposure to your skin
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in the early part of the day
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in a way that doesn't burn you,
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meaning burn your skin or blind you.
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Please, please don't do anything that harms your vision,
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like stare into bright light that's painful.
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What does that do?
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Well, it sets in motion
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a number of different biological cascades.
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Some are very fast.
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There are fast actions of sunlight that will trigger,
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for instance, dopamine release
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from different parts of your brain
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and your endocrine system.
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And we now know that it increases levels of genes
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related to thyroid hormone
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and actually increases certain dopamine receptors.
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So there's a wonderful paper.
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We will provide a link to this paper
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that shows that sunlight exposure
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can actually increase the amount of so-called DRD4.
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This is a particular type of dopamine receptor,
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the dopamine receptor 4.
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The genes for dopamine receptor 4
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are actually under photic control.
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So if you get sunlight exposure to your eyes,
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and it does have to be to your eyes
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in the early part of the day,
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you increase the amount of dopamine receptor that you have,
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which allows whatever circulating dopamine
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happens to be there to have a greater effect on motivation
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and I should say also on mood and feelings
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of being in pursuit
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and generally in craving and pursuit of things in life.
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Now there's another way to increase the effect
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of whatever dopamine happens to be circulating
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in your brain and body.
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And this again relates to increasing the number
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or the efficacy of the receptors for dopamine.
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Now here we're not talking about the dopamine receptor 4,
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but a different category of dopamine receptors,
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the D2 and D3 receptors,
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which are expressed multiple places in your brain and body
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and bind dopamine,
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meaning dopamine parks in them like a parking spot
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and allows dopamine to generally increase the activity
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of the neurons and cells
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that express those dopamine receptors.
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How do you do that?
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Well, it turns out that regular ingestion of caffeine
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at safe and appropriate levels about 100 to 250 milligrams
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is going to increase the number of D2
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and D3 dopamine receptors.
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I talked a little bit about this on a previous episode.
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Again, we'll provide links to these studies,
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but this is an important finding, I believe,
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because this is not about the acute,
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the immediate effects of caffeine on alertness,
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although those occur too.
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When you drink caffeine,
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it's going to increase your levels of adrenaline
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and so-called epinephrine,
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which will increase your energy levels.
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It's going to decrease levels of something called adenosine,
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which builds up while you're sleepy.
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It's going to make you feel less sleepy,
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more alert, more energetic.
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That's sort of obvious,
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but what's less obvious is that it's increasing the number
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and efficacy of dopamine receptors
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so that whatever dopamine happens to be around
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in your system is going to have more of a potent effect.
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So how much caffeine should you drink?
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That's going to vary from person to person.
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Some people are very sensitive to caffeine, others are not.
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I tend to be fairly insensitive to caffeine
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because I've been drinking it for a long period of time,
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but after one or two cups of espresso or coffee,
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I feel like I've had enough.
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I tend to drink my caffeine early in the day,
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which is what I'm going to recommend that you do,
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not drinking caffeine past two and certainly not 4 p.m.
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if you're on a typical schedule
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and you want to be able to sleep that night,
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even if you can fall asleep,
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having too much caffeine in your system is not good
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because it disrupts the architecture of sleep.
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And now knowing about all the metabolic variability
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across the night, according to different stages of sleep,
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it should be even more obvious
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as to why disrupting the architecture of sleep
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will be bad for you.
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So limit that caffeine intake to early in the day
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and don't go ballistic if you're not,
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certainly don't go ballistic in any case,
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but for most people,
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anywhere from 100 to 400 milligrams of caffeine
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is going to have this effect.
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And this effect again is a slow accumulating effect
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by drinking caffeine consistently day to day.
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I get my caffeine mainly from yerba mate tea.
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I want to emphasize that it's probably a good idea
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to stay away from the smoked mate,
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as there's some evidence those can be carcinogenic,
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but I brew my own yerba mate tea,
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or sometimes I'll drink coffee or espresso
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or sometimes both, frankly,
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as long as I'm hydrating enough and I'm getting enough salt,
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then I tend to feel fine with that much caffeine.
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The other way to increase dopamine
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and to make sure that your baseline levels of dopamine
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are high enough is to make sure that you're eating
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sufficient numbers of tyrosine-rich foods.
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You can look up which foods include tyrosine.
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Tyrosine is a precursor to dopamine.
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It's an amino acid that is a direct pathway
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to dopamine synthesis.
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And tyrosine foods include things like certain meats,
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Parmesan cheese, very high in tyrosine, for instance.
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In fact, there's something called the cheese effect,
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believe it or not.
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I don't want to go too far off topic,
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but the cheese effect is kind of interesting
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because certain people will take antidepressants
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that are so-called MAO inhibitors,
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monoamine oxidase inhibitors.
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Anytime you hear ASE, that's an enzyme,
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they will take these inhibitors that prevent
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the breakdown of dopamine and other so-called catecholamines
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which allow more dopamine to be in circulation.
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But if these people eat certain cheeses,
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including Parmesan cheese, and there are other foods,
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of course, that include not just tyrosine,
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but one of the derivatives of tyrosine called terramine,
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that generates what's called the cheese effect,
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which is people get potent migraines, headaches,
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blood pressure goes up.
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Why?
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Well, because they've got a lot of tyrosine in their system
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and dopamine in their system,
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and they've got less of the enzyme that removes
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that dopamine or limits its action.
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And so they have an excess of dopamine
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and dopamine has effects on blood pressure, et cetera.
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So the cheese effect is something to avoid.
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01:10:14.740
If you are somebody who's taking drugs that tap into
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or manipulate the dopamine pathway,
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either for Parkinson's or depressions,
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obviously you're going to want to be careful about adjusting
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up or down levels of dopamine too potently.
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So mind the cheese effect if you're taking an MAO inhibitor.
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There's a lot of information about this online.
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For most people, eating foods like Parmesan cheese,
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eating foods like certain meats and certain vegetables
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also can increase tyrosine levels,
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which will increase dopamine synthesis.
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So these are ways of modulating more or less the baseline
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of dopamine that you are able to produce
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and the ways that dopamine can have its action
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by way of binding to receptors more potently.
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Now, there are other ways to increase dopamine
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in a more acute or directed way,
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ways to spike your dopamine to enhance your state
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of motivation, mood, focus, and so on.
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And in thinking about the vast landscape of tools
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that can do that, we have one category of tools,
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which are the really, really bad things
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that I don't recommend anybody do.
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In fact, I recommend nobody do ever,
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which are things like cocaine, methamphetamine, et cetera.
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They are incredibly destructive for lives
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because of the way that they so potently increase dopamine
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and then the crash in dopamine that occurs later.
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I mean, they can indeed and often do ruin lives.
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So we're leaving those off the table.
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There are of course, prescription drugs that many people in,
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especially people who have clinically diagnosed ADHD,
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attention deficit hyperactivity disorder,
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rely on and in fact benefit from in many cases,
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things like Ritalin, Adderall, Vyvanse.
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Nowadays, there's also a lot of interest
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in use of things like modafinil or modafinil.
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I covered all of those in the episode on ADHD,
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and you can find that at hubermanlab.com
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and the other places this podcast is found.
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Prescription drugs aside,
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because they require a prescription and a discussion
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that's in depth and appropriate with your physician,
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healthcare provider,
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there are supplements that can very potently
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increase dopamine as well.
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Perhaps not to the extent
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that some of those other prescription drugs can,
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but certainly to a degree that will impact
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and increase dopamine and motivation
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and the other states dopamine is associated with.
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And the two main categories of supplements
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that are very effective in raising dopamine,
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and here I should provide the caveat
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that anytime you're going to add or remove anything
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from your supplementation protocols,
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please talk to a physician
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who is knowledgeable on these topics.
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If you're somebody who has or is taking drugs
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for depression or mania,
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please be very cautious about manipulating your dopamine
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in any case.
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I don't just say that to protect us,
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I say that to protect you.
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But if we were to look at the supplement landscape
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and ask which supplements increase dopamine,
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there are a vast number of them,
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but the three main ones,
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the most effective ones that are readily available out there
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without a prescription are macuna prurines.
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This is actually the outside of a velvety bean
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that has been extracted and put into a supplement.
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Macuna prurines is actual L-DOPA.
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It's 99% L-DOPA, which is a prescription drug
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that is given for Parkinson's and for other purposes
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where increasing dopamine is important.
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I don't recommend macuna prurines.
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I'm not saying that no one should take it,
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but I don't take it and I don't recommend it
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because it tends to so potently
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and acutely increase dopamine
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that there's a pretty substantial crash afterwards.
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So I avoid it and I don't generally suggest
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that anyone take it unless there's really a clinical need
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or they're working very closely with somebody
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that can really monitor that.
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The other two supplements that can increase dopamine
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in a short-term way, but in a significant way,
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are L-tyrosine.
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So you can buy that as a supplement amino acid.
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I sometimes take this.
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I would say I probably take it about once a week maximum
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for workouts or workouts.
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I'll take it in dosages of anywhere from 500 milligrams
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to 1,000 milligrams.
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People vary tremendously in their sensitivity
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to supplementing L-tyrosine.
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I know people that can take two grams.
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I know people that can barely take 100 milligrams.
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I know people that the best dose for them is zero milligrams.
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So there's a lot of variation there
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depending on sensitivity
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and their natural baseline levels of dopamine
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and whether or not they're doing a lot of other things
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to support dopamine.
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But nonetheless, taking L-tyrosine will lead
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to fairly substantial increases in dopamine
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within about 15 to 45 minutes.
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And it lasts for about 30 minutes to two hours.
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And then there's kind of a tapering off.
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Some people experience a little bit of an emotional
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or, and, or I should say energetic crash.
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Some people don't.
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And then the other supplement that I certainly use
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and that I know a number of other people use
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is more fast acting, but more potent,
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which is phenylethylamine.
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This relates to the so-called PEA molecule, P, P-E-A.
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And phenylethylamine increases dopamine
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and some metabolites related to dopamine
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in ways that really increase energy
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and feelings of wellbeing and motivation.
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And again, it's fast acting.
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So my particular protocol,
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the one I use is I'll take phenylethylamine
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at dosages of about 300 to 600 milligrams
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along with some L-tyrosine,
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or I'll take it on its own with a molecule,
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or I should say a compound
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that we'll talk about a little bit later
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as it relates to acetylcholine alpha GPC.
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But tyrosine and phenylethylamine taken alone or together
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will make you feel more motivated and more alert,
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more willing and able to lean into
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particular motivated behaviors,
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whether or not they're physical or cognitive.
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If you'd like to learn more about these compounds
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and their supplementation and their effects,
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I encourage you to check out
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the ever valuable website, examine.com.
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It's zero cost to access and they provide references
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and some more details about these sorts of compounds
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and other related compounds.
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Now, if we were going to look at behavioral tools
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for potently increasing dopamine,
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that too is a vast landscape.
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And we know based on hundreds, if not thousands of studies,
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that things like winning at some sort of competition
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or succeeding in reaching a goal
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can certainly increase dopamine.
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We talk a lot about this in the episode
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on dopamine motivation and drive, but leaving that aside,
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there are certain behavioral protocols
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that are unrelated to your overall goals and motivations
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that can increase dopamine in a very sustained way.
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And without question,
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the most potent behavioral tool for doing that
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is going to be deliberate cold exposure.
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Deliberate cold exposure has been talked about a lot here
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and elsewhere in terms of its ability to do things
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like reduce inflammation as a way to test
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and improve resilience because uncomfortable cold,
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provided it's applied safely,
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is a great way to learn to be more resilient
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because you're essentially staying
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or forcing yourself to stay in a circumstance
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where your system is flooded with adrenaline.
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But one lesser known aspect of deliberate cold exposure
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is one that's been demonstrated quite convincingly in humans.
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It comes from a study published in the year 2000.
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I'll link to this study.
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I love this study, by the way.
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I covered it many times on this podcast
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because I love it so much and I think it's truly important.
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And that's the study from Sramak et al.
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entitled Human Physiological Responses to Immersion
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into Water of Different Temperatures.
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I'm not going to go into this into a ton of detail
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for sake of time, but basically what they show
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is that putting people into cold water,
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and I should mention the water that they used in this study
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wasn't that cold.
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They had a bunch of different conditions,
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but they had people that got into, for instance,
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60 degree Fahrenheit water for up to two hours,
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had them sitting there in a lawn chair up to their neck,
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had very long sustained increases in dopamine transmission
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and dopamine circulation in their brain and body.
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And also some of the other catecholamines.
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As I mentioned before, dopamine tends to collaborate
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with epinephrine and vice versa.
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Now you don't need to put yourself
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into 60 degree Fahrenheit water
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to get these kinds of sustained increases.
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And you certainly don't need to do it for two hours.
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We have strong reason to believe,
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based on subsequent studies,
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in fact, published just this last year,
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that getting into much colder water of say 50 degrees
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or 55 degrees or even 45 degrees Fahrenheit
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can potently increase dopamine and epinephrine as well.
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And that you don't need to expose yourself
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to that cold water for nearly as long.
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So perhaps even as short as one minute
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or even 30 seconds exposure to really cold water
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can lead to these potent long lasting increases in dopamine.
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Many people will ask which protocols to follow.
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For instance, will a cold shower suffice?
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Very likely yes, if your shower gets cold enough.
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Do you need ice floating in the bath?
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No, it's all about the temperature
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and not whether or not there's ice present or not.
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How long to stay in there?
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There are a lot of details
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that we don't have time to go into this episode.
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Please see the episode on the use of deliberate cold
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for health and performance.
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You'll find that at hubermanlab.com.
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We have a newsletter related to this.
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It gets into a lot of detailed protocols.
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But in general, we can say that the way to evoke dopamine
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and epinephrine release using cold water
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is to ideally you would do cold water immersion.
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If you can't, you'd use cold shower.
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But you want to use a temperature that is safe,
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meaning you're not going to have a heart attack,
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but that is uncomfortable
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such that you really want to get out
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and then staying in for anywhere from one minute
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to 10 minutes, depending on how cold adapted you are,
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and then getting out and drying off
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and going about your day
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unless you have some other protocol
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that you're trying to extract from the cold.
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So this is a cold exposure protocol
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specifically aimed at increasing dopamine.
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For some people out there, you might think,
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this is kind of silly,
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using cold water to increase dopamine.
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But when you look at the data in humans
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on the effect of cold water exposure
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to stimulate long lasting,
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very significant increases in dopamine and epinephrine,
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I think you'll agree that this is a really potent tool
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that provided it's given safely and gone about safely
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is giving you the kinds of increases in dopamine
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that you would seek using prescription pharmacology.
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Now, it shouldn't be used as a replacement
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for prescription pharmacology,
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although people have done that to success.
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One of the previous guests on the Huberman Lab podcast
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was Dr. Anna Lemke,
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our director of the Dual Diagnosis Addiction Clinic
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at Stanford.
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She has an amazing book called Dopamine Nation,
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all about dopamine and both its uses healthy
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and its perils in things like addiction.
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And she describes a patient of hers
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that used deliberate cold exposure
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to try and maintain dopamine levels
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while coming off of drugs
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that were increasing dopamine so potently
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that they were putting him down the path of addiction.
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So the use of cold water for increasing dopamine
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is a real tool.
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It's, I would say, a power tool.
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In fact, it's the kind of thing
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that if you want to increase dopamine
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for sake of motivation,
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it might be your first go-to
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provided you're also doing the things
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to maintain dopamine baseline,
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like sunlight exposure in particular,
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making sure you're getting sufficient amounts of tyrosine
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containing foods and so on.
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And now just very briefly,
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I want to point to a few quick tools
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that good peer-reviewed data tell us can be leveraged
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in order to make sure that you have sufficient dopamine
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when you want it or that it's available
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for it to be released
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by any number of the tools I provided thus far.
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And those are sufficient number of B vitamins.
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So it turns out that B vitamins,
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in particular B6 or vitamin B6,
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can potently reduce prolactin levels.
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And again, prolactin and dopamine
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tend to work in kind of push-pull fashion.
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That said, you should be cautious
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about taking excessive levels of B6.
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It is a vitamin that if you take too much,
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you'll likely excrete it through your urine,
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but there is evidence
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that having excessively high levels of B6
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or supplementing with excessively high levels of B6
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can cause some peripheral neuropathy,
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some death of nerves in the periphery.
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If you want to know what dosage levels are relevant there,
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just simply look it up online.
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There's a lot of information about this,
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but you do want to make sure
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that you're getting enough B6, B12, et cetera,
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such that you can keep prolactin levels in check.
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And if you suspect that you have a dopamine deficiency,
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please talk to your doctor
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and talk to them about ways
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you might adjust that prolactin down
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and thereby dopamine up.
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The other way to ensure that dopamine levels stay high
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or put differently that you don't quash
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whatever dopamine you have in your system
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is to really avoid bright light exposure to your eyes
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between the hours of 10 p.m. and 4 a.m.
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Or another way of putting this,
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because I realize people sleep at different times, et cetera,
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is to avoid bright light exposure to your eyes,
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not just blue light, but all colors of light,
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in phase three, that is 17 to 24 hours after waking up,
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because that's really when you should be asleep
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or trying to get asleep if you're having trouble sleeping.
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Work from Samir Hattar's lab,
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the director of the Chronobiology Unit
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at the National Institutes of Mental Health,
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again, a previous Huberman Lab podcast guest,
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tell us that bright light exposure
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in phase three of your circadian cycle,
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17 to 24 hours after waking,
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can have dramatic effects in reducing dopamine levels
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by way of activating a neural circuit
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involving something called the habenula.
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Want to get into too many details right now,
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but really try and keep the lights dim
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in the middle of the night or off if you can do that safely.
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It's really going to help
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if you're turning on your phone brightly,
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if you're turning on bright lights,
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it's not just going to negatively impact melatonin,
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the hormone that helps you fall and stay asleep,
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it's also going to negatively impact dopamine levels,
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not just that night, but the subsequent day.
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So that more or less summarizes our coverage
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of ways to use behavior and supplementation and nutrition
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to increase dopamine and dopamine receptor efficacy
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and number, and to keep sufficient amounts of dopamine
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in your system day to day for motivation, mood, and focus.
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And of course, keep in mind those things
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that can suppress dopamine, the bright light exposure,
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elevated prolactin, and so on.
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My hope is that by understanding those tools
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and how they work and understanding
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that dopamine does certain things and not others,
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that you can assemble a versatile kit of behaviors
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and other things that you can do
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in order to adjust your dopamine levels
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according to your particular goals.
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I want to just briefly return to the fact, however,
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that all of that is riding on that phase one,
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phase two background,
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meaning it's probably going to take less cold water exposure
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or I should say less time doing cold water exposure
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early in the day to get a big increase in dopamine
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than it would later in the day,
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because later in the day,
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your baseline levels of dopamine are lower
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and you've got more serotonin circulating.
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That should make sense to you now as to why that's the case.
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And does that mean that you should really modify
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your protocols dramatically?
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Probably not, but you might keep that in mind
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that if, for instance,
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you need to be in a highly motivated focused state
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in the late part of the day for whatever reason,
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it might take a few or more of these tools in combination
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in order to accomplish that.
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Whereas if you're somebody
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who feels pretty good during the day,
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but you're kind of lacking motivation
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and you want to increase dopamine levels
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and you don't yet need to
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or want to resort to prescription drugs or supplementation,
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well, then you might layer in a couple behavioral protocols,
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paying attention to, of course,
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the things that you might be doing
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that would also potentially suppress dopamine.
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So again, that kit of tools is designed for you
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to play with if you choose, if it's safe for you,
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to apply them, then do that.
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Consider doing them individually,
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not trying to hit all the tools all at once, right?
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I mean, why throw all those tools
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at your dopamine system at once?
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Better would be to have those tools in your kit
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and be able to deploy them
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depending on whether or not you're on travel,
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whether or not you're eating well or less well,
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whether or not you're sleeping well or less well,
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that's highly individual.
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And I like to think that in having those tools in hand,
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you'll be able to adjust them and apply them
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in the ways that allow you to access
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the dopamine increases that you're after.
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So next I'd like to talk about epinephrine,
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also called adrenaline.
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I want to point out that epinephrine is released
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both in the brain and the body.
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In fact, there's a barrier between brain and body
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that prevents the epinephrine
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that's released from your adrenal glands
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from crossing the blood-brain barrier.
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So your brain has a separate site called the locus coeruleus.
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This is a collection of neurons in the back of the brain
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that kind of sprinkler the rest of the brain
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with epinephrine and essentially wakes up
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whatever neural circuits happen to see,
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or I should say wake up any circuits
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where that epinephrine happens to arrive, right?
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And generally increase the excitability of those networks.
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That's why we say epinephrine increases energy.
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I'm not talking about caloric energy,
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although that's distantly related to this,
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but really energy and the desire to move,
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the feeling that we can think,
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the feeling that we can be alert.
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In fact, if you look at somebody
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and their eyelids are wide open,
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in large part,
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that's because of a lot of adrenaline in their system.
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If their pupils are really big
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and their eyes are really wide open in general,
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that means they have a lot of epinephrine circulating there.
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Whereas when we're tired and we're kind of hood-eyed
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and we're just sort of sleepy
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or our pupils are really small,
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in general, that's because levels of epinephrine
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and also dopamine, remember they work together,
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levels of epinephrine and dopamine tend to be lower.
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This is also why when people take any drug,
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like again, not recommending this amphetamine or cocaine
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or any stimulant, their pupils tend to be huge,
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their eyes tend to be wide open,
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they don't blink very often,
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and the opposite is true when people take sedatives.
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So it all starts to make sense
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when you think about the basic actions of these things.
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For many people, increasing adrenaline or epinephrine
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might seem like a crazy idea.
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Most people probably associate this molecule with stress
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and they would like to be less stressed.
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And we've done entire episodes about stress,
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how to master stress, how to leverage stress,
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how to conquer stress.
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There are a lot of great tools to do that
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that are behavioral, supplementation-based.
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Please see the episode on mastering stress for those tools.
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But there are people, including me,
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that want to increase our levels of epinephrine
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at least early in the day.
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I'm somebody who wakes up rather slowly.
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In fact, right after waking up,
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I rarely want to bounce out of bed.
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I try and push myself to do that.
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I'm always impressed by these choco-willink types
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that are up at 430 or up at five and already into action.
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I tend to be kind of thinking about thinking about
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maybe being in action early in the day.
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But I try and push myself to get into action,
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which itself can increase epinephrine.
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I should mention that any physical activity,
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any physical activity, walking, running,
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weightlifting, swimming, even talking for that matter,
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is going to increase levels of epinephrine.
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Locus coeruleus is a brain structure
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that is tightly coupled with behaviors
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in a bi-directional way.
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That is when you are in action,
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you increase the amount of epinephrine
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released from locus coeruleus, you wake up the brain.
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And conversely, when locus coeruleus is active,
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the brain wakes up.
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So it's reciprocal.
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It goes both directions.
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So I saw a funny tweet actually earlier today.
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It was something like going to the gym gives you energy,
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but you need energy to go to the gym.
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Sounds like a pyramid scheme to me,
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which made me chuckle,
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but of course overlooks the fact that indeed,
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if you have energy,
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you are more likely to be willing to get
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into physical movement or cognitive movement
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and thinking hard or thinking a lot about something.
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But also it is absolutely scientifically proven
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that being in action increases levels of epinephrine.
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This is why exercising early in the day
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gives you more energy for rest of day.
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You still might experience a little bit of a crash
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in the afternoon,
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especially if you're getting up extra early,
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or if you're drinking caffeine too close to waking.
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I've talked about this before.
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If you drink too much caffeine close to waking,
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you're going to have an afternoon crash.
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Better to push that caffeine intake out
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about 90 to 120 minutes after waking.
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I know this is really painful for certain people,
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but caffeine does increase epinephrine.
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Caffeine does other things to limit sleepiness.
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And by pushing it out 90 to 120 minutes after waking,
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you will avoid the afternoon crash to a large degree.
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And if you get up and you exercise
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or even do any movement of any kind,
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a hundred jumping jacks or a walk if you can't do that,
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anything like that will increase the total amount
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of epinephrine that you secrete into your bloodstream
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and in your brain and will get you more energy,
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not just in that moment, but throughout the day.
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So keep that in mind.
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Exercise does indeed give you energy.
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It burns caloric energy,
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but it gives you neural energy by way of increasing
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epinephrine transmission from locus coeruleus.
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And presumably if the exercise is intense enough,
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adrenaline epinephrine release from the adrenals
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within your body as well.
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So we have exercise and we have caffeine as potent tools
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for increasing epinephrine and thereby energy.
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Another potent tool that's purely behavioral,
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but is known to work based on excellent studies in humans.
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And actually my laboratory has been doing similar types
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of studies that are soon to be published.
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We hope is so-called cyclic hyperventilation.
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Some of you may be familiar with Wim Hof breathing.
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There's also Tummo breathing,
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which is very similar Kundalini breathing.
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All of those styles of breathing involve
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cyclic hyperventilation,
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deep inhales and either passive exhales or active exhales,
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but repeating inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale
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in a very deep and repetitive way.
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If you were to do that right now,
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doesn't matter if you do it through your nose or mouth,
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although ideally you would do the inhale through your nose
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and the exhale through your mouth.
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If you did that for 25 repetitions,
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25 inhales and exhales, you would feel more alert.
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You'd also feel more warm, why?
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Because you increased epinephrine adrenaline release
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in the brain and body.
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It works the first time and it works every time
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to increase epinephrine and thereby energy.
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And in fact, there are protocols
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and great scientific studies
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of using cyclic hyperventilation for periods of minutes,
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if not longer, where for instance,
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you would do 25 big inhales and exhales
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followed by a brief breath hold with your lungs empty,
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then repeat 25, then brief breath hold, excuse me, exhale,
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hold your lungs empty,
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and then repeat again for a third round if you like.
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If you do that over and over, you're going to be very alert.
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You're going to have more energy.
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You're going to feel like you want to move around
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a lot more.
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In fact, you might even feel agitated.
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So people with a lot of anxiety or prone to panic attack
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might want to be cautious in how they train
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and embark on that type of breathing,
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might want to approach it a little more carefully
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or avoid it altogether.
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But for most people, cyclic hyperventilation
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is simply going to get you more energized
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and feeling like you want to move,
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feeling like you can think more clearly
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and you will be more wide-eyed and alert
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because you are releasing adrenaline.
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And the cold water exposure protocol
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that I talked about earlier,
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and that's covered in our episode on cold
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and in the newsletter on cold.
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Well, that, as I mentioned earlier,
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potently increases dopamine, but also epinephrine.
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So that's another terrific tool,
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whether or not it's applied by cold shower or cold immersion
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or some other thing like cryo,
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that is going to make you more alert
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because it releases adrenaline.
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Now, we can't really say that there are foods
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to increase epinephrine.
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Rather, there are foods that include a lot of tyrosine
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that will increase dopamine.
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And remember, dopamine is the molecule
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from which epinephrine is synthesized.
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So we can't really point to a particular food
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or categories of food for increasing epinephrine.
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I think caffeine and things like it
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will increase epinephrine.
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There are, of course, prescription drugs
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that will increase epinephrine.
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And of course, there are all sorts of so-called beta blockers
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that will block the receptors for epinephrine
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to make you feel calm for public speaking
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or for various heart conditions, et cetera.
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That's really the domain of physicians
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and should really be worked out with your cardiologist,
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with a physician, et cetera.
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I think the tools of exercise
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and should you want very potent increases in adrenaline,
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high-intensity exercise,
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as well as the tools of caffeine, cyclic hyperventilation,
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and deliberate cold exposure,
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really combined to give you a nice little kit,
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I would say a versatile kit,
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of ways to increase epinephrine
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for sake of having more physical and mental energy.
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So next is the neuromodulator acetylcholine.
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And as I mentioned earlier,
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acetylcholine is associated with states of focus.
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And those states of focus
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can be high-energy states of focus.
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So the ones that are accompanied
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by high levels of dopamine and epinephrine
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and where we're really excited about
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and really lasered in on something,
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or they can be the calmer, more relaxed states of focus,
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like reading a book or practicing music
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or listening very carefully to somebody
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in a way that's relaxed and calm.
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And yet nonetheless, where we have a narrow cognitive
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and typically a narrow visual aperture,
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and typically also a narrow auditory aperture,
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that is our auditory system and our visual system
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and our thinking can be very broad.
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It can be all over the place,
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or it can be very narrow and it can be very focused.
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Acetylcholine is released from two major sites in the brain,
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nucleus basalis, which is in the forebrain,
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and extends connections out to many different brain areas
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to offer the opportunity to release acetylcholine locally
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and more or less in a chemical way,
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highlight those particular neurons and synapses
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for strengthening for plasticity later.
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And it is released from sites in the back of the brain
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in a way that can increase the so-called fidelity
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of information coming in through our eyes,
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our ears, our nose, et cetera.
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What do I mean by fidelity?
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Well, we are constantly being bombarded
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with sensory information through all of our various senses.
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And acetylcholine released from this area
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in the back of the brain has the ability
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to increase the extent to which say visual information
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or just visual and auditory information
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would make it through to our consciousness,
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whereas all the other types of sensory information
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that are coming in are filtered out.
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So your brain, because it's taking in all this information,
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needs to decide what to pay attention to.
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And in this way, we can say that acetylcholine
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has a lot to do, not just with focus and air quotes,
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but literally attention,
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which neural signals become relevant to our consciousness.
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There's a whole discussion to be had there,
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and we don't have time for that.
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Rather, I'd like to focus on what are the tools
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that one can use to maintain healthy baselines
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of acetylcholine and increase acetylcholine
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for sake of learning any type of information,
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physical, cognitive, or otherwise.
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Now, it turns out there've been a lot of studies,
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including many quality peer-reviewed studies
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carried out in humans,
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looking at what happens when you increase acetylcholine
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levels in the brain,
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and you accompany that with the attempt to learn.
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And what you find almost always
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is that people experience increased focus,
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that when measured,
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the neuronal responses become more specific,
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so less broad scale activity in the brain
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and more specific neural circuit activity,
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and that this triggers immediate and long-lasting changes
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in the way those circuits work,
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even when acetylcholine is not being deployed,
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so-called neuroplasticity,
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the circuits literally change.
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So this is great.
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The work of Michael Silver at Berkeley,
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the work of Mike Merzenich at UCSF,
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the work of Michael Kilgard down in Texas,
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all of those laboratories see this again and again and again.
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Increase acetylcholine before and during learning,
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and there's a much higher probability
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that the learning will quote unquote sink in,
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that the information will be retained
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because those neural circuits change.
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Now, ways to increase acetylcholine in a potent way
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include, again, nutrition and supplementation.
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It is important to have baseline levels of acetylcholine
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be sufficiently high as well.
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And for that, really the ideal situation
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is to regularly ingest foods
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that provide enough of the precursors
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for acetylcholine to be made.
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If you go online and you were to do a search
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of which foods contain a lot of choline,
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which is related to the synthesis of acetylcholine,
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you would get some interesting information back.
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For instance, beef liver
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is the most potent source of choline.
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I know nowadays there's kind of a growing micro trend,
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if you will, of ingesting beef liver, even raw liver,
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which to be honest,
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the thought of ingesting raw liver of any kind
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activates my area of postrema,
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which is the area of the brain that triggers nausea.
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01:38:44.620
In fact, I'm starting to salivate a bit,
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not because I'm hungry,
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but I think the whole concept makes me ill.
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Nonetheless, cooked liver or raw liver for that matter,
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or liver of any kind seems to contain a lot of choline.
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I realize most people,
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most people are not going to be running out
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and ingesting large amounts of beef liver.
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Eggs contain a lot of choline, beef contains choline,
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soybeans contain choline.
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So there are vegan or non-meat sources.
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Chicken, fish, mushrooms, kidney beans,
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these sorts of things contain a lot of choline
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and there are other vegetables that contain choline.
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So depending on your dietary preferences and needs,
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you can select certain foods to ingest
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to get enough choline to synthesize
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enough baseline acetylcholine.
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01:39:28.280
In the realm of supplementation,
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there are some excellent tools for increasing acetylcholine
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in the acute short term,
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meaning over the course of about 30 minutes
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out to about two hours or maybe even four hours.
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And the number of different molecules that can do that
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that are available without a prescription,
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at least in the US, is pretty vast.
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The most common of those molecules is actually nicotine.
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Nicotinic acetylcholine receptors are abundant
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throughout the body and brain.
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They're in various brain circuits.
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They are on muscle and yes, smoking nicotine
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either by vaping or cigarette
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will activate those nicotinic receptors.
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But of course, smoking is a terrible thing.
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It will also activate things like lung cancer.
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So I definitely don't recommend that.
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It also activates addiction because of the ways
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that it triggers activation of the dopamine circuit.
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So I think that triggering activation
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of acetylcholine related pathways by ingesting nicotine
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by way of inhalants is generally a bad idea.
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However, some people will chew Nicorette
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or other nicotine type gums.
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I've never done that,
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but I have friends who actually rely on that.
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These are typically former smokers
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that are trying not to smoke,
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but still want to get some of the focus enhancement
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that they experienced from nicotine.
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Some people are very sensitive to nicotine,
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and this is important.
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Some people are very sensitive to ingested nicotine.
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So nowadays there are nicotine dipped toothpicks.
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There of course is nicotine gum
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and other sources of nicotine.
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Some people can take that and feel fine.
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Some people take it and feel absolutely terrible.
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I confess I've never actually tried nicotine
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in any of those forms.
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So I don't know how they work for me,
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but some people do use them as cognitive enhancers.
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In fact, I know one Nobel prize winning neuroscientist
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who's quite well known in our field
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for chewing Nicorette all day long.
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He insists that it really helps him with his focus
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and he is exceedingly smart and productive.
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Although I'm sure there are other reasons for that.
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Supplements that I have used and do use
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for increasing acetylcholine
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are things like Alpha-GPC or Hooperzine.
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01:41:37.980
Alpha-GPC is in the choline pathway
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such that more acetylcholine is synthesized
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after you ingest it.
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That's the general logic or framework of how it works.
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Whereas Hooperzine is mainly in the enzymatic pathway.
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It tends to adjust how much acetylcholine is broken down
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and lead to net increases in acetylcholine.
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01:41:59.580
I will often take 300 milligrams of Alpha-GPC
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prior to workouts or prior to cognitive work bouts.
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01:42:06.380
But when I say often, I tend to do this anywhere
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from three to four times a week, typically not every day.
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Although there are people,
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including people who are trying to offset
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age-related cognitive decline
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that will take 300 milligrams of Alpha-GPC
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01:42:20.700
three times a day every day,
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01:42:22.640
which closely mimics some of the studies
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that have been done on humans
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01:42:25.840
looking at offsetting age-related cognitive decline
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using things like Alpha-GPC.
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01:42:31.420
I should point out that there have been a few studies,
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a few, not many, but these studies emphasize
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that people who take a lot of Alpha-GPC chronically
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over time may be at increased risk for stroke.
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I think the data are still out on that
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and we need more data.
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But for me, in terms of thinking about
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the risk benefit profiles,
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taking 300 milligrams of Alpha-GPC
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most certainly does increase my ability of focus.
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01:42:55.980
I've noticed that I tend to take it alongside caffeine
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and phenylethylamine, so I take that in combination
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either before workouts or work bouts,
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really sharpens my focus.
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01:43:04.780
And again, I'm doing that three, maybe four times per week.
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01:43:07.460
And I'm careful to do that in the early part of the day
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so that it does not disrupt my sleep.
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01:43:12.260
Although I have taken Alpha-GPC in the second half
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of the day and I had no trouble sleeping at all.
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I don't know what the exact half-life is
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of the given form that's typically in supplementation.
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01:43:22.460
It's actually hard to get that information,
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but typically the focus effects wear off
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after about two, maybe four hours maximum.
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01:43:30.380
Now, one thing that I don't think
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has ever been discussed before,
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certainly not on this podcast,
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01:43:34.780
is that if you take Alpha-GPC even semi-regularly,
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01:43:39.540
you may notice that a particular feature
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of your blood work will increase,
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01:43:44.180
and that's TMAO, which is sometimes associated
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with increased cardiovascular risk.
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01:43:50.220
This may, again, may relate to some of the potential risk
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01:43:53.900
of very high levels of Alpha-GPC ingestion over many years,
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01:43:57.980
increasing stroke risk.
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01:43:59.700
Again, those studies looked at people
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who've been taking it for up to a decade.
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01:44:03.040
But in any case, one way to prevent the increase in TMAO
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if you're taking Alpha-GPC at all
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01:44:10.420
is to take 600 milligrams of garlic
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01:44:13.300
because it contains something called allicin.
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01:44:15.820
This was a trick that was handed off to me
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01:44:18.300
by Dr. Kyle Gillette,
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01:44:19.780
who again was a guest on this podcast some time ago
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01:44:21.960
talking about hormones and hormone health.
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01:44:23.860
Turns out that ingestion of 600 milligrams of allicin
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alongside or even just same day as Alpha-GPC
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01:44:30.280
can really clamp those TMAO levels
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01:44:33.020
that would otherwise increase if you're taking Alpha-GPC.
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01:44:35.480
And indeed, I've done the blood work
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01:44:37.140
and that turns out to be the case.
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01:44:38.940
I saw a spike in TMAO.
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01:44:40.300
I started taking 600 milligrams of garlic
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01:44:43.180
and those TMAO levels came down.
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01:44:45.180
And last as it relates to acetylcholine,
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but certainly not least,
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just as acetylcholine can increase focus,
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01:44:51.740
focus can increase acetylcholine.
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01:44:54.460
I talked a lot about this in the episode on focus,
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01:44:57.380
but there are behavioral tools
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01:44:58.820
that you can use to enhance focus.
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01:45:00.540
Things like staring at a particular visual target
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01:45:03.580
at the same distance at which
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01:45:05.180
you're going to perform some work
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01:45:06.540
and doing that for 30 to 60 seconds,
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01:45:09.460
narrowing in a very deliberate way your visual field,
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01:45:11.880
and then moving into a focused work bout.
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01:45:14.760
That behavioral practice of narrowing your visual aperture
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01:45:19.740
will increase the amount of acetylcholine transmission
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01:45:22.400
in particular neural circuits
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01:45:24.140
that will then make it easier to focus.
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01:45:25.900
How do we know that?
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01:45:26.780
Well, I covered in that episode
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01:45:29.100
some of the peer-reviewed studies
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01:45:30.620
that relate to protocols that are now actively being deployed
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01:45:33.860
in schools in China and elsewhere,
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01:45:36.340
where kids are doing deliberate visual focus exercises
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01:45:40.100
in order to increase their mental focus.
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01:45:41.900
And while they're not doing micro dialysis
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01:45:43.640
or brain imaging on those kids in real time,
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01:45:46.140
the cognitive effects and indeed the performance effects
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01:45:49.900
in terms of academic ability and output
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01:45:52.320
are pretty impressive.
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01:45:53.500
So acetylcholine increases focus.
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01:45:55.700
We talked about some dietary
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01:45:58.160
and some supplementation based ways
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01:46:00.140
to improve acetylcholine,
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01:46:02.040
or I should say increase acetylcholine.
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01:46:04.020
And that does in fact lead to increases
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01:46:06.980
in one's ability to focus.
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01:46:08.900
This is why a lot of the prescription drugs
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01:46:11.260
for the treatment of Alzheimer's,
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01:46:12.460
age-related cognitive decline,
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01:46:14.380
and indeed even some of the drugs
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01:46:15.820
that tap into treatments for ADHD
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01:46:19.160
also involve the acetylcholine system.
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01:46:21.560
So there's nothing surprising or heretical here,
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01:46:25.060
but it is important to point out
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01:46:26.380
that your behavioral ability to focus
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01:46:28.540
is also related to your ability to access
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01:46:30.940
and deploy acetylcholine.
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01:46:32.480
So never do we want purely pharmacologic treatments
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01:46:37.060
to be the only way that people are increasing
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01:46:40.180
a given neuromodulator.
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01:46:41.380
I always say behaviors first,
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01:46:43.840
then nutrition, then supplementation.
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01:46:46.580
And then if there's a need, certainly a clinical need,
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01:46:49.620
then prescription drugs, et cetera,
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01:46:51.260
of course administered through a physician.
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01:46:53.780
So let's discuss serotonin.
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Serotonin, as I mentioned earlier,
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01:46:57.180
is associated with brain and body states
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01:46:59.620
of wellbeing, of comfort, of satiety.
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01:47:03.020
And therefore it should come as no surprise
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01:47:04.780
that a lot of the prescription drug treatments
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01:47:06.560
for things like depression
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01:47:08.020
involve increasing levels of serotonin
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01:47:10.540
in the brain and body.
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01:47:12.340
That said, anytime you talk about prescription drugs
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01:47:15.020
for serotonin, we also want to acknowledge
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01:47:17.740
that there are often side effects
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01:47:19.460
associated with increasing serotonin.
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01:47:21.220
In particular, if serotonin levels go too high,
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01:47:23.780
that is if the dosages of those treatments go too high,
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01:47:26.540
people will, for instance,
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01:47:28.280
feel reduced appetite, reduced libido,
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01:47:30.540
increased lethargy, et cetera.
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01:47:32.500
And there's a so-called serotonergic syndrome.
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01:47:35.060
All of that can and should be considered
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01:47:37.820
with a well-trained physician.
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01:47:40.260
So because there are prescription drugs
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01:47:41.980
controlling the dosage, deciding what dosage to take,
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01:47:45.620
deciding which SSRI to take,
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01:47:48.520
and whether or not to come off those drugs,
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01:47:50.160
how to come off those drugs.
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01:47:51.180
Again, all of that should be handled
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01:47:52.720
with a licensed physician.
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01:47:55.220
That said, there are behavioral tools,
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01:47:58.780
nutritional tools, and supplementation tools
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01:48:01.060
that can tap into the serotonin system,
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01:48:03.120
not to the same degree in potency,
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01:48:04.740
but nonetheless in ways that can still impact
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01:48:07.700
our feelings of wellbeing in positive ways.
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01:48:11.140
So let's focus first on the behavioral tools.
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And some of these might make people chuckle a little bit,
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01:48:16.640
but I want to point out that a lot of these tools
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01:48:19.220
are quite potent.
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01:48:20.300
In fact, they are power tools for modulating serotonin.
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01:48:24.060
And we know that based on human neuroimaging studies,
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01:48:27.000
human and animal micro dialysis studies,
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01:48:30.240
and other studies that really have evaluated
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01:48:32.620
circulating levels of serotonin
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01:48:34.340
and the particular brain circuits that release serotonin
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01:48:37.220
when people do certain things.
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01:48:39.120
What sorts of things?
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01:48:40.380
Well, for instance, physical contact,
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01:48:43.340
in particular with loved ones,
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01:48:44.540
this can be romantic love, this can be children,
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01:48:47.580
so your own children, or your spouse,
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01:48:51.060
even if it's not sexual contact,
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01:48:53.380
friend to friend contact, even friend to animal contact.
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01:48:58.260
As a former dog owner, I hope to have another dog soon
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01:49:01.580
because unfortunately Costello passed away,
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01:49:03.340
but there is something really comforting and wonderful
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01:49:05.580
about petting your dog.
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01:49:06.680
And certainly given that many of the studies on serotonin
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01:49:10.580
and these other neuromodulators were done on animal models,
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01:49:14.280
we also know that serotonin is being evoked in the dog
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and of course in the child
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01:49:19.020
and in the significant other, et cetera.
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01:49:20.860
So things like holding hands, believe it or not,
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01:49:23.420
hugs, cuddling, et cetera,
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01:49:26.260
can increase serotonin transmission
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01:49:28.340
and they make people feel good.
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01:49:30.220
This shouldn't really come as a surprise.
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01:49:32.180
There's also gratitude.
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01:49:33.420
And we did an entire episode about gratitude.
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01:49:35.620
There's a lot of misunderstanding about gratitude.
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01:49:38.060
Oftentimes when people hear gratitude, they think,
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01:49:40.300
oh, gratitude, this is just being thankful for what you have
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01:49:42.840
and it's kind of a weak sauce effect,
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01:49:44.900
meaning it's kind of like maybe a little serotonin goes up
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01:49:48.780
or maybe there's a little bit of increased feelings
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01:49:50.720
of wellbeing.
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01:49:51.900
Nothing could be further from the truth.
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01:49:53.420
It turns out, first of all,
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01:49:55.140
that receiving, not giving gratitude,
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is what has the most potent effects on increasing serotonin
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01:50:00.900
and activity of the brain circuits that involve serotonin
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01:50:03.980
and that lead to increases in feelings of wellbeing.
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01:50:06.740
So this is interesting.
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Receiving much more than giving gratitude
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is what activates those serotonergic pathways.
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01:50:14.800
So the takeaway from that is both give and receive gratitude
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and of course do it in an authentic way.
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01:50:20.700
The other thing about gratitude
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01:50:21.860
that's somewhat counterintuitive
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01:50:23.140
is that observing others giving and receiving gratitude
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is immensely powerful for evoking serotonin
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01:50:30.460
and the activity of serotonergic circuits in you,
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01:50:33.620
the observer.
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01:50:34.460
So receiving and observing gratitude
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01:50:36.900
turns out to be the most potent way
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01:50:38.780
to increase serotonin in the brain and body.
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01:50:41.660
And these, again, are dramatic effects
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that are quite long lasting and not the sorts of effects
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01:50:46.240
that are going to lead to side effects,
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01:50:47.480
at least there's no reason to think they would.
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Now, what about nutritional approaches
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01:50:52.740
to increasing serotonin?
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01:50:54.080
Well, just as we have tyrosine as an amino acid precursor
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01:50:57.580
upstream of dopamine synthesis,
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01:51:00.780
we have the amino acid tryptophan,
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01:51:04.340
which is upstream of serotonin synthesis.
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01:51:07.380
And one simply has to go online
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01:51:09.580
and put in tryptophan-containing foods
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01:51:12.000
and you will discover that there are a lot of foods
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01:51:13.700
that are enriched in tryptophan
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01:51:15.340
that can lead to net increases in the amount of serotonin
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01:51:18.940
available in the brain and body.
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01:51:20.580
The most kind of famous or infamous of these
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01:51:23.020
is white meat turkey, the so-called tryptophan effect,
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01:51:25.900
where people get very sleepy after eating white meat turkey
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01:51:28.340
and it is indeed highly enriched in tryptophan.
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01:51:31.420
Although typically the getting sleepy after eating turkey
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01:51:33.660
is most often associated with the Thanksgiving meal
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01:51:36.740
and the Thanksgiving meal, at least in the US,
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is often associated with people vastly overeating.
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And so I do want to point out
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that if you fill your gut with food,
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no matter what that food is,
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there's going to be a diversion of blood to your gut
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that's going to make you feel sleepy
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because there's a diversion of blood away from other tissues.
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So if you eat a lot, you're going to get sleepy, period,
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whether or not you eat turkey or some other substance.
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Nonetheless, there are a number of foods
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that contain a lot of tryptophan
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and that some people will leverage
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in order to try and increase
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the total amount of circulating serotonin available to them
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in order to have a modest increase
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in overall mood and wellbeing.
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So what are some of these foods?
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These are things like milk, in particular, whole milk,
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so full fat milk.
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I know a number of people choose not to drink milk
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because they're lactose intolerant.
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I'm raising my hand because I'm one such person.
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Although when I was a kid, I did enjoy milk.
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Canned tuna, turkey, as we mentioned before,
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high in tryptophan, oats.
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I am a consumer of oatmeal, so that resonates with me.
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Cheese, and here I read,
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although not as high in tryptophan
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as meat and other dairy sources,
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certain cheeses like cheddar cheeses
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can be rich in tryptophan.
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Certain nuts and seeds, certain breads.
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Chocolate, I know a number of people
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will be relieved to hear that.
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I know chocolate lovers are always looking
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for an excuse to eat chocolate.
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I confess I've never really liked chocolate,
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except, dare I say, I like the smooth 100% chocolates.
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I know many people gag when they hear 100%.
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I actually really liked them.
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And some fruits can be highly enriched in tryptophan.
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Things like bananas and apples and things of that sort,
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although not nearly to the degree of things
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like turkey, canned tuna, and milk.
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I'm sure there are other excellent sources of tryptophan
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from the diet, including vegan sources.
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So please peruse the internet to try and find the sources
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that are compatible with your nutritional program,
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if indeed your goal is to increase tryptophan.
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Now, there are supplements that can increase tryptophan
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and can do so quite potently.
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One of the ones that has received increasing attention
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as of lately is Sissus quadranglearis, complicated name.
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When taken in dosages of about 300 to 600 milligrams
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can pretty dramatically increase serotonin levels.
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In fact, anywhere from 30% to 39% increases
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in circulating serotonin, that's a big increase.
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And I can provide a link to that study.
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The study was focused not so much on serotonin,
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but was focused mainly on treatment of obesity
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and appetite and weight loss.
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And it should come as no surprise that serotonin,
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if increased, might lead to decreases in appetite.
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A cautionary note, Sissus quadranglearis
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may need to be cycled.
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How quickly to cycle it,
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meaning do you do two weeks on, two weeks off,
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whether or not you need to do more rapid cycling,
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like two days on, two days off, is a matter of debate.
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There are not a lot of data on this just yet.
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There are a lot of opinions about this on the internet,
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but again, not a lot of quality peer review data.
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Nonetheless, Sissus quadranglearis has been shown
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to importantly increase serotonin in humans.
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And for people that are seeking to increase serotonin,
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maybe in particular, for sake of appetite and weight control,
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that might be a useful compound.
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I know many people also take 5-HTP,
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one of the precursors to serotonin,
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in dosages of anywhere from 300 to 500 milligrams.
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Typically, people are doing this in anticipation of sleep,
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meaning in the final hour of wakefulness
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before going to sleep.
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I myself have tried 5-HTP prior to sleep,
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and all I can tell you is that it led to very deep sleep
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for about one to three hours,
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and then I woke up and I could not fall back asleep.
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I ran that experiment twice
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before I decided to abandon 5-HTP as a sleep aid,
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and that's why I've never put it into our sleep kit,
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or at least my sleep kit.
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And when I refer to the sleep kit,
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that's something you can find at HubermanLab.com.
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This is a zero-cost resource
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where you can see behavioral tools
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and also supplementation tools
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that can improve the transition time into
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and the depth of sleep,
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and none of those rely on 5-HTP supplementation.
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That said, I know a number of people
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use 5-HTP supplementation outside of sleep,
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or I should say during the daytime,
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to try and increase serotonin,
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and it will indeed increase circulating serotonin.
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But again, people vary in their sensitivity
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to these sorts of things.
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Some people might find, for instance,
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that 300 milligrams of 5-HTP is just far too much.
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It blunts their appetite, might even reduce libido.
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There aren't a lot of very well-controlled studies
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looking at this,
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and so it has to be figured out on an individual basis
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if you decide to approach it at all.
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Now, one molecule that I've found
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to be particularly interesting and useful,
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and this is one that I haven't talked about yet
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on this podcast, is inositol, in particular, myoinositol.
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Myoinositol can have the effect of increasing serotonin
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and other neurochemicals,
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but primarily, at least in terms of the neuromodulators
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discussed today, serotonin.
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I've been taking 900 milligrams of myoinositol
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every third night or so
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as a test of its ability to improve sleep,
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and I have to say, the depth and quality of sleep
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that I've been obtaining on myoinositol
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is pretty remarkable.
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In fact, I've used it alone,
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and in combination with the magnesium-3-N-8
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apigenin-theanine sleep kit that I've talked about,
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and that's included in that, again, zero-cost kit
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that's available as a PDF on our website.
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So myoinositol is known to increase circulating levels
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of serotonin.
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01:57:05.380
It has been explored extensively in both animal models
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and in humans for its daytime use for treating anxiety.
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It does seem to reduce anxiety,
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and for all sorts of things.
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01:57:17.260
It's been explored for bipolar disorder.
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We're going to do an episode
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about bipolar disorder coming up.
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01:57:22.900
It's been explored for the treatment of migraine.
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01:57:25.100
It's been explored for ADHD.
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01:57:27.000
It's been explored for a huge number
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of different conditions of brain and body.
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Again, I've been using the 900 milligrams of myoinositol
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in the 30 to 60 minutes before sleep to improve my sleep,
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and it has been doing that very dramatically,
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especially when I take it alongside the rest
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of those sleep kit supplements.
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A quick note about myoinositol
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for sake of increasing serotonin.
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If you look at the human studies on myoinositol
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that are out there,
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and in particular focus on the human studies,
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what you'll find is that the dosages that are often used
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are tremendously high.
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It's like five grams, eight grams,
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18 grams of myoinositol taken throughout the day.
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I don't know how people stomach that,
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and in fact, many people drop out of those studies
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because of gastric discomfort,
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and yet I also wonder how people tolerate it
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because it has somewhat of a sedative effect,
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and it's kind of anti-anxiety effect,
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and I can't even imagine,
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given my experience with 900 milligrams,
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what one would experience taking multiple
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or many more grams per day.
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So I certainly am not encouraging that,
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and the only reason I mentioned myoinositol
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is that it has a known effect of increasing serotonin.
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At least in my experience,
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it does not lead to this falling deeply asleep
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and waking back up.
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Actually to the contrary,
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if I wake up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom
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or I wake up in the middle of the night
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for whatever other reason,
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I find it far easier to fall back asleep
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if I've taken 900 milligrams inositol prior to sleep.
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So for me, it's proving to be a quite useful compound.
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I'm not aware of having any serotonergic deficiency overall.
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I don't consider myself depressed.
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And of course, I should mention that no supplement,
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either added or withdrawn from your protocol,
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should ever be used as a direct replacement
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for prescription drug treatments
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01:59:12.620
that your physician has given you.
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01:59:13.660
You should always talk to your physician
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anytime you remove or add something to your drug protocol
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or prescription protocol, of course.
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So we've got behavioral protocols that,
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as silly as it feels to say,
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have been shown to potently increase serotonin,
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01:59:27.820
things like physical contact, cuddling, holding hands
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01:59:30.540
with people that you love, of course, right?
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01:59:32.860
I think if there were people that you despised,
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01:59:35.380
it would have the opposite effect for obvious reasons,
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but also receiving gratitude and observing gratitude,
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01:59:42.100
very potent increases in serotonin.
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01:59:44.240
And things like cystis quadrangularis,
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01:59:47.180
things like 5-HTP may have their uses, right?
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01:59:50.060
They're very potent at increasing serotonin,
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01:59:53.220
but they do seem to have the need to cycle them
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01:59:56.140
and they are nuanced.
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Some people respond well to them.
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01:59:58.860
Others, like myself, don't.
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And of course, always be on the lookout for dramatic
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or even subtle decreases in appetite or libido
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02:00:06.260
or things that you might not want
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02:00:08.260
if you are going to be tinkering
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with your serotonergic levels and pathways.
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02:00:13.260
And then myoinositol actually is proving
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to be quite useful to me.
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And whether or not that's because of its effects
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on serotonin or through some of its other effects
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02:00:22.820
on maybe reducing anxiety,
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02:00:24.740
which certainly I experience
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if I wake up in the middle of the night,
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I don't like waking up in the middle of the night,
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02:00:28.340
but on myoinositol, I sort of seem to not really care
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that I woke up and I fall right back asleep.
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So the direct source of the positive effects
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that I'm getting aren't clear,
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but nonetheless, I thought I'd pass it along
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as a useful tool because it is out there
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02:00:40.500
and it is available over the counter
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02:00:42.740
and provided you're taking the appropriate safety steps
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in considering whether or not to use it or not,
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I think it might be a useful tool.
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And of course, as with all the other neuromodulators
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we discussed, you have both a baseline of serotonin
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and the ability to give or provide yourself peaks
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of serotonin through these various protocols.
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The dietary interventions of the sort that I mentioned,
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meaning eating foods that are enriched in tryptophan,
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those are mainly going to adjust
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02:01:10.420
your baseline levels of tryptophan.
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For instance, if you really want to be sleepy,
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sure, you could eat some white meat turkey
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02:01:17.140
in hopes that that tryptophan will convert to serotonin
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02:01:20.140
and make you sleepy, et cetera.
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But in general, those are going to be
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pretty long lasting effects,
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especially given the fact
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that not all of the tryptophan you will ingest
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is going to be converted into serotonin in your brain.
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It's going to have other effects
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on other tissues and organs of your body.
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Nonetheless, if you want to increase serotonin,
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providing the appropriate baseline context
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is going to be useful.
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And again, this is a general theme
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of all four of these neuromodulators,
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dopamine, epinephrine, acetylcholine, and serotonin.
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You want to make sure
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that you have sufficient baseline levels of those things
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through things like diet, regular behaviors,
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and then you have the opportunity to use supplementation,
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and if it's appropriate for you,
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prescription drugs and certain behavioral protocols
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to try and get these potent increases,
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these acute increases in whichever the neuromodulators
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you happen to want to leverage for your particular goals.
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So that brings us to the end
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of at least this exploration of the neuromodulators,
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dopamine, epinephrine, acetylcholine, and serotonin.
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Some of you who are regular listeners of this podcast
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might be saying, well, we've heard all this before, right?
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02:02:24.560
You had an episode on dopamine.
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02:02:25.800
You had an episode on anxiety.
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You had an episode on sleep.
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02:02:28.460
And indeed that's true.
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But what I've tried to provide today is a framework
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that cuts through all those episodes
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and at the same time builds out a new
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and what I believe to be a really important theme
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and principle, which is that whether or not
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you're using nutritional tools or supplementation
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or prescription drugs or any other sort of protocol
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to try and create a desired effect of focus or energy,
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motivation, relaxation,
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you're playing with the same neurochemical ingredients,
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just as in the realm of nutrition, you have macronutrients,
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you have proteins, carbohydrates, and fats
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that can be adjusted in different ratios
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and arranged at different times
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in order to achieve certain desired effects.
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Well, when it comes to your neurochemistry
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and your ability to perform mentally,
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to perform physically, and your overall wellbeing,
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you are dealing with a small handful
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of especially potent molecules.
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And I acknowledge that there are many neuromodulators,
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there are indeed many neurotransmitters,
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glutamine, glycine, GABA, et cetera.
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But today we focused on the main four,
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meaning the most potent and most widespread neuromodulators
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in the brain and body that give you access
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to particular brain states and body states
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of the sort that most people desire.
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So what I'm hoping is that rather than decide
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that any one tool is the most useful
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or that any one neurochemical is most useful
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for that matter, that the information
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that I've provided today allows you a kit of versatile tools
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that allows you to figure out what levels of dopamine
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and augmentation of dopamine are appropriate
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and necessary for you.
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What levels of acetylcholine
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and tools for manipulating acetylcholine
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are going to be most useful for you,
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and so on and so forth.
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Because at least at this stage in time,
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that is June, 2022, there is no simple at-home test.
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In fact, there is no simple laboratory test
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that allows us to know whether or not
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our dopamine levels are high
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and our serotonin levels are low.
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We can look at somebody and their behavior.
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We can look at ourselves and our own mood and behavior,
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and we can infer what those levels may or may not be.
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But unfortunately, we don't have a really good test
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of dopamine levels or serotonin levels
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that would allow us to say, okay, this person
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or I need to increase dopamine twofold
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in order to achieve the kind of motivation that we want.
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Unfortunately, that doesn't exist.
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Rather, we are confronted with a situation
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where we understand generally
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what these different neuromodulators do,
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the different mental states and physical states
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that they tend to put us into, and we reviewed those.
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And we know that there are really potent tools
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to adjust those neuromodulators, if not alone,
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but in certain combinations.
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That is, ingestion of caffeine will tap into
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and support dopamine and epinephrine.
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Increasing dopamine and epinephrine
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alongside increasing acetylcholine
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will allow us to access certain brain states.
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That is focused, alert, energized brain states,
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great for learning and plasticity of all kinds,
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whereas augmenting serotonin is going to put us
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into a more relaxed state and so on and so forth.
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And I'd like you to keep in mind
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that there is no negotiating the fact
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that we all have different phases of our 24-hour cycle
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during which those very same neuromodulators
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tend to be naturally higher or naturally lower.
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And I reviewed that at the beginning of the episode.
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So my wish for you is that you will take this information,
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experiment with it as you see fit for you and in a safe way,
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and as you go forward to really try and gain intuition
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and understanding as to not just how these protocols work,
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but how any protocol that you might encounter,
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supplement-based, drug-based, behavioral-based,
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how those might tap into
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these different major neuromodulator systems,
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and from that, to be able to better predict and evaluate
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whether or not they're going to be useful to you,
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detrimental to you,
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or whether or not they should be used in combinations
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that would be more useful to you.
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So I'd like to thank you once again for joining me today
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in our discussion about these incredibly powerful molecules
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we call neuromodulators and the things we can do and take
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in order to control them so that we can enhance
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our mental health, physical health, and performance.
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And last, but certainly not least,
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thank you for your interest in science.