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Optimizing Workspace for Productivity, Focus, & Creativity | Huberman Lab Podcast #57



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Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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where we discuss science and science-based tools
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for everyday life.
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I'm Andrew Huberman,
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and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology
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at Stanford School of Medicine.
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Today, we're going to talk all about
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how to optimize your workspace for maximum productivity.
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Indeed, that means to heighten levels of focus,
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to increase levels of creativity,
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to improve your ability to task switch.
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And this could be for say, go school or for work,
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creative endeavors, personal endeavors.
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This really extends to everybody.
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Most often when we hear about how to focus
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or how to get the most out of our work sessions,
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we hear about the biology and the psychology of that.
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We hear about dopamine and we hear about serotonin
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and we hear about caffeine.
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And indeed, those are topics that I've covered a lot
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on the Huberman Lab Podcast.
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Today, we will touch on each of those,
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but we are mainly going to focus on
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how we arrange our physical environment
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and indeed how we arrange ourselves
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in that physical environment
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in order to bring out the best in our neurobiology.
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That is how to put ourselves into a heightened state
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of focus by virtue of things
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as simple as where we place our screen relative to our eyes
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at a given time of day.
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Believe it or not, there's excellent research on this
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and there's excellent research, for instance,
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on whether or not you should or should not listen to music,
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whether or not you should use things like binaural beats,
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and if so, what frequency of binaural beats.
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We are going to cover all of that.
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And by the end, you will have a checklist of things
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that you can do to optimize your workspace on any budget.
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I will mention various products and apps
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that some of you might find useful
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for optimizing your workspace,
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but I want to emphasize at the outset
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that none of those that I mentioned
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are any products or apps
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that we have a financial relationship to.
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And more importantly, you don't need them.
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I'm going to explain how for zero cost,
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you can arrange your workspace in ways
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that makes you maximally productive, maximally focused,
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and allows you to adapt your workspace
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to different environments, whether or not you're traveling,
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working with others, working alone, et cetera.
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Just to give you a little hint of where we are going,
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I will mention a zero cost app
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that will deliver binaural beats at a particular frequency
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that peer-reviewed research has shown
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can enhance certain types of learning and memory.
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However, peer-reviewed research also shows
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that it can diminish performance in other types of tasks.
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So stay tuned, we'll go into all the details
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so that you can optimize your workspace
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for zero cost and get the most out
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of your efforts and endeavors.
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Before we begin, I'd like to emphasize
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that this podcast is separate
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from my teaching and research roles at Stanford.
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It is, however, part of my desire and effort
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to bring zero cost to consumer information about science
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and science-related tools to the general public.
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In keeping with that theme,
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I'd like to thank the sponsors of today's podcast.
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Our first sponsor is Element.
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that has everything you need
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the main one is salt.
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Now, salt, AKA sodium, has kind of a bad rap.
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We've all heard that too much salt is bad for us.
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However, if you look into the research on salt,
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and in fact, if you go to one of the highest-level
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peer-reviewed scientific publications, Science Magazine,
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you can find a review article in Science some years ago
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that shows that most of what we think and understand
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about the science of salt is completely wrong.
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And in fact, salt does a number of things
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that's extremely important.
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For instance, our neurons,
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which signal to one another through electricity
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and through chemical signaling,
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critically rely on having enough sodium
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in order to generate what we call action potentials
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or electrical firing of neurons.
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If your sodium levels are too low,
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your neurons simply won't work.
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One of the main deficits from being dehydrated
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is lack of sodium, not just lack of water.
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Getting sufficient sodium does a number of things
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that's very important.
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It can raise your blood volume.
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It can help you retain water in a healthy way,
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not excess amounts.
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It allows neurons to fire for sake of thinking,
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for sake of athletic performance, and so on.
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and some potassium.
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So unless you're somebody
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who really has chronic hypertension,
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elevating your level of salt intake can often be beneficial.
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You should check with your doctor,
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but indeed it can often be beneficial.
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I happen to like the raspberry or citrus flavors.
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In fact, I like all of the flavors.
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So some people will put it in eight ounces of water.
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I like mine in about 16 ounces of water
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and I'll drink that before and after exercise.
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Let's talk about workspace optimization.
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This is a topic that's intrigued me for a very long time
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because my undergraduate advisor, my graduate advisor,
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and my postdoc advisor had many things in common,
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including being great scientists,
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being kind people and terrific mentors,
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but they had another thing in common
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which always perplexed me,
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which is that their offices were a complete disaster.
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They had mountains of books, mountains of papers,
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mountains of all sorts of stuff,
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and yet all of them were extremely productive
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and could remain extremely focused
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in that incredibly cluttered environment.
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Now I'm somebody who doesn't like clutter.
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I find it very hard to focus in cluttered environments.
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And indeed there's tremendous variation among people
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as to whether or not they can remain focused
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or whether or not they struggle to focus
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in physically cluttered environments.
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There's no right or wrong to this,
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but the question we should ask ourselves is
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why were they all able to be so focused?
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And it turns out that the reason
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they were able to be so focused
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is that they all captured one single
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and yet fundamental variable of workspace optimization.
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And we'll talk about what that variable is.
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In fact, we're going to talk about
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what all the variables of optimizing a workspace are.
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Things like vision, things like light,
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things like noise in the room,
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whether or not you listen to music or not,
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whether or not you use noise canceling headphones or not.
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We're going to talk about all of that.
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And we're going to do that in a way
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that you can optimize your workspace
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regardless of whether or not you are at home,
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whether or not you're on the road, et cetera.
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Because the last thing I would ever want to do
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is to create a situation
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where you find the optimal workspace
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and then you are a slave to that optimal workspace.
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That's just not the way the world works.
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What you want to do, or my goal for you rather,
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is that you will have a short checklist of things
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that you can look to anytime you sit down to do work.
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And you can think about the underlying variables
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that impact your brain and your body
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and allow your brain and body to get into the optimal state
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in order to learn, in order to be productive,
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and the need to move through your work bouts
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in a very relaxed and pleasureful way
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while maintaining focus
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and while pursuing any of the number of things
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that you're doing.
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The first variable we want to think about
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in terms of workspace optimization is vision and light.
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Now, on a previous episode of the Huberman Lab Podcast
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devoted all to habits,
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I talked about the importance of dividing your 24-hour day
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into three different phases.
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And for those of you that haven't heard that episode,
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I'm just going to briefly summarize what I described.
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From the time you wake up in the morning
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until about six or seven or eight,
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sometimes nine hours later,
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your brain is in a unique state.
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It is in a state of high levels of dopamine,
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a neuromodulator, and high levels of epinephrine,
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as well as hormones like cortisol and so forth.
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Without going into the biology of those things,
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they set your brain into a state of high alertness.
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And this is true whether or not
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you indulge in caffeine or not.
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I know some of you say,
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oh, I really don't wake up until the afternoon.
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I'm much more alert and focused in the afternoon.
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We will talk about that phase of the 24-hour day
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in a moment.
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But that early part of the day is a time of day
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in which for sake of workspace optimization,
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being in a brightly lit environment
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can lend itself to optimal work throughout the day,
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not just during that early phase.
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And so while on many episodes of this podcast,
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I've also emphasized the importance
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of getting morning sunlight in your eyes
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within 30 to 60 minutes of waking.
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Not as often, but now and again,
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I will also mention that it's important
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to light your daytime environment
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as brightly as you safely can.
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So if you are going to be doing work in this early,
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what I call phase one portion of your day,
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you want to have as much light
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and indeed as much overhead light
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shining on you as safely possible.
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Now, of course, you don't want it so bright
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that it's glaring and you have to squint, et cetera,
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but you want as much light as is safely possible.
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And you can do that a couple of simple ways.
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One is if you do own,
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or you're in an environment where you have overhead lights,
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turn on those overhead lights.
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What's special about overhead lights for setting alertness
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is that the neurons in our eyes,
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which are called melanopsin ganglion cells,
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that's the fancy name,
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melanopsin ganglion cells are mainly enriched
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in the lower half of our retinas, in our eyes,
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and view the upper visual field.
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Those neurons send little wires
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to an area of our hypothalamus
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right above the roof of our mouth
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that creates a state of alertness.
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Now, early in the day, we want to be as alert as possible.
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And this phase one of our circadian cycle
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is when we are best at doing analytic detail type work.
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So we're going to go into other aspects
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of workspace optimization that are important for phase one.
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But during phase one, again,
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within zero to about eight or nine hours after waking,
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bright lights in your environment,
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in particular overhead lights,
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are going to facilitate focus.
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They're going to facilitate further release
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of things like dopamine and norepinephrine
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and healthy amounts of cortisol.
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And we want that to happen early in the day
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for a variety of reasons.
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For instance, we don't want that cortisol peak
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to happen too late in the day.
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That's actually associated with depression and insomnia
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and a number of things that we just don't want.
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So one of the things that I've done for my workspace
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is to make sure that when I wake up in the morning,
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I do go get my sunlight.
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If the sun isn't out,
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I turn on as many bright artificial lights
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as I can manage or tolerate,
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and then I go get my sunlight exposure.
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But once I set out to do some work
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that all the overhead lights in that room are on,
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as well as lights in front of me.
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And that's, again, to stimulate heightened levels of focus
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and further release of these neuromodulators
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that I mentioned before,
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dopamine, norepinephrine, and epinephrine.
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Now, the way that one could do that
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could be a very low cost way of having, for instance,
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a desk lamp and those overhead lights.
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If you're somebody that wants to take this
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to the next level, you can purchase a ring light,
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which is, I think those are mainly made
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for people doing selfie-type videos,
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for Instagram posts and things of that sort.
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Ring lights can be pretty cost-effective,
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and yet they're very bright,
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and they have the sort of bright blue light
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that is going to optimally stimulate
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those melanopsin ganglion cells.
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So some people I know will have a blue light
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or a bright LED on their desk in front of them.
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And indeed, I have one of these.
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I don't use a ring light.
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I use a light pad.
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The particular light pad I use, I bought on Amazon.
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I can mention the brand,
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but again, I have no financial affiliation to them.
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This is the Artograph light pad.
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It's designed for drawing,
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and it says on it, 930 lux.
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Lux is just a measure of brightness.
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So I placed that on the desk in front of me,
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and I turn it on essentially
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throughout this phase one of the day.
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Even if I walk away from the desk, I tend to keep it on.
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It doesn't consume that much energy.
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And in that way, I'm constantly being bombarded with photons
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that keep my levels of alertness up,
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because the early part of the day
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is when I do the majority of that focused work.
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Again, you don't need the light pad.
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You can use a ring light,
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or you can simply use any kind of other lights
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that you might happen to have, artificial lights.
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For those of you that can place your desk near a window,
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and even better to open the window,
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that would be really fantastic.
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I don't have access to that.
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Why would I say open the window?
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Well, it turns out that sunlight
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is going to be the best stimulus
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for waking up your brain and body
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through this melanopsin to hypothalamus system.
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And by looking at sunlight through a window,
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it's 50, five, zero times less effective
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than if that window were to be open,
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mostly because those windows filter out
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a lot of the wavelengths of blue light
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that are essential for stimulating the eyes
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and this wake-up signal.
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So all of this rests on the premise
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that we need to be alert in order to do our work,
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in particular, focused work.
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And I've talked about before in the habits episode,
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and I'm saying again now, that first phase of the day,
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that first seven or eight or nine hours of the day
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is really the time in which our neurochemistry
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is primed for getting the most amount of focused,
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kind of challenging work done
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where a lot of precision and detail is required.
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So you want to brightly light your work environment
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during that first phase.
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Again, from the time you wake up, try and get sunlight,
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but then even if you're going to get exercise
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or do other things,
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you want to get as much bright light in your eyes
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as you safely can,
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and then you want to light your work environment.
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Now in the afternoon, starting at about nine
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and continuing until about 16 hours after waking,
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you want to start dimming the lights in that environment.
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Now you don't want to make it dark
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because you don't want to get sleepy
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at two o'clock in the afternoon
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unless you're going to take a brief nap,
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which I do and is perfectly fine
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as long as it doesn't interfere with your nighttime sleep.
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But the idea is that in this so-called phase two
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of the 24 hour cycle,
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from about nine to 16 hours after waking,
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you want to bring the level of lights down a bit.
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And when I say down, I literally mean down.
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Having lights that are in front of you is fine,
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but overhead lights at that time are not going to be optimal
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for the sorts of neurochemical states
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that your brain wants to be in.
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The states that I'm referring to are a shift
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from the dopamine and norepinephrine
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that's highest early in the day
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to increases in things like serotonin
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and other neuromodulators that put your brain
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into a state that's better for creative endeavors
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or for more abstract thinking.
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Now, as we'll soon see,
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there are other things you can do
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to improve creative thinking and abstract thinking.
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And in fact, there are things you can do
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to improve analytic thinking.
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We will talk about those,
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things that are distinct from light,
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but right now we're just focusing on light.
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So what I recommend doing and what I personally do
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is I will turn off overhead lights in the afternoon.
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It's not completely dim, it's not completely dark,
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but I will start to reduce the amount of overhead light
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and just simply keep the light pad on
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and whatever other lamps I happen to be using.
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Now, one thing we haven't talked about is screen brightness.
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This is highly individual.
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People have different retinal sensitivities.
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What I mean by that is everybody differs
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in terms of how bright they can tolerate
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their visual environment and their screen.
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And whether or not you are sensitive to light or not
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will depend on a lot of factors.
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Some of it is eye color.
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Indeed, people with darker color eyes
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generally can tolerate more bright light than others.
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I have green eyes.
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I am very, very sensitive to light.
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If I'm outdoors at a cafe or something
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and the table has any kind of reflective properties
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and it's a sunny day,
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I can barely see the person across the table from me
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unless I'm wearing sunglasses.
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Some people, other members of my family, for instance,
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have dark brown eyes and can just sit there
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and have a conversation without the need
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for sunglasses at all.
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So there's tremendous variation there.
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One or the other isn't healthy or advantageous necessarily.
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Just understand that you never want to be in an environment
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where it's painful to maintain looking at whatever it is
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that you're looking at.
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If something's painful to look at,
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it could be damaging to your eyes.
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So you do want to protect your eyes.
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Now, in this second phase of the day,
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since most of us are working indoors,
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but even if you're working outdoors,
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you want to try and get the amount of light
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reduced overall, but in particular that overhead light.
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And you also want to start reducing the amount of blue light
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that you're being exposed to.
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So somewhere around four or 5 p.m.,
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which for me is about 12 hours after I've been awake
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or 14 hours after I've been awake,
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I will turn off that light pad
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and start to transition the lights in my environment
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to more yellows and reds.
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Now, I can't always do this.
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I have friends that actually have converted
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their entire homes from blue light early in the day
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to red light late in the day.
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That's really cool and fantastic.
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I haven't done that.
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It's, you know, there's a cost to doing that,
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and it is optimal in terms of optimizing productivity
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and sleep and so forth,
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but it's not feasible for a lot of people.
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But what I do is I simply switch to using yellow lamps.
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I will turn off that LED in the later afternoon,
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again, around four or 5 p.m.,
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and I tend to wake up around 6 a.m. or so.
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I'll turn those off.
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And what I'll try and do also
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is I'll try and dim the screen that I'm working on
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so that I can still manage to see everything
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that I need to see, but it's quite a bit dimmer
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than it was early in the day.
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So that's phase two of the day,
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and that's how we want to think about light.
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And then I'll just mention,
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because I know there are people
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who are working in the middle of the night,
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there's phase three,
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which is about 17 to 24 hours after waking.
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And I realized that for shift workers
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or for people that are pulling all-nighters
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or for students, oftentimes you need to be awake
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and studying in the middle of the night.
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I myself am somebody who for years would pull
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anywhere from five to 10 all-nighters per year.
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I still pull an all-nighter now and again
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because of deadlines and so forth.
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I don't recommend it.
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If you can avoid it, great,
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but many people just simply have to do this
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for sake of shift work or because of impending deadlines
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or procrastination or all of the above.
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If you are going to be doing work
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in that third phase of your circadian cycle,
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you really want to limit the amount of bright light
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that you're getting in your eyes
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to just the amount that allows you
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to do the work that you're doing.
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Because if you get light in your eyes
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that's any brighter than that,
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you're going to severely deplete your melatonin levels.
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You're going to severely shift your circadian clock
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and it's effectively like traveling to another time zone.
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So if you stay up from 3 a.m. until 6 a.m.
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or 2 a.m. until 4 a.m. working on a term paper
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or something of that sort
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and you're getting bright light in your eyes,
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you are effectively flying six hours
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to a different time zone
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or at least that's what your body registers it as.
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And it can really throw your sleep and your metabolism
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and a number of other things out of whack.
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Now there's an exception to this,
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which is if you really want to be awake,
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it can often be beneficial
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to flipping on all the lights in the room
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and keeping them really bright.
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One of the hardest things to do
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is to stay up all night studying
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when you're in a dim environment.
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So you have to determine the trade-off
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between whether or not you want to shift your clock
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or whether or not you want to get the work done.
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And I would say the ideal situation is to sleep at night
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and to do your work during the day and in the afternoon.
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But if you do have to be awake in the middle of the night,
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do understand that you want to dim those lights overall.
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You would not want to use that LED.
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You would not want to have overhead lights on
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unless you're really struggling to stay awake,
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in which case you want to get
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as many bright lights on as possible.
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So there are a couple of tricks to all-nighters.
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I don't really want people pulling all-nighters
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unless they have to,
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but there are a few things that you can do
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without taking stimulants in order to stay up all night
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that can be beneficial that maximize on your biology.
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One of them that's a little less commonly known
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is you can drink 32 ounces of water
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and commit to not going to the bathroom for 90 minutes
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at least.
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It turns out that there's a circuit
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that goes from your bladder,
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literally neurons that go from your bladder
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to your brainstem.
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And when you have to urinate, it makes you very alert,
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as many of you have probably experienced.
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This is actually what wakes us up
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in the middle of the night
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when we have to use the bathroom
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is this circuit for alertness that goes from full bladder.
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It's signaled by the bladder being full to the brainstem.
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And this is the circuit that is disrupted
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in kids that have bedwetting issues.
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And there are a number of cognitive behavioral approaches
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to that.
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Sometimes bedwetting in very young kids
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is because the circuit hasn't developed yet.
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Most adults, fortunately, are not bedwetting,
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but you can increase the amount of alertness in your system
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and remain awake in the middle of the night
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by drinking a little bit more water than you normally would
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and then refraining from going to the restroom.
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That certainly will lend itself to alertness.
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You know how difficult it is to fall asleep
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when you have to use the restroom, for instance.
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So that's one tool.
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The other thing is, again,
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to flip on as many bright lights
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in the environment as possible.
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And then, of course, people will rely on stimulants
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like caffeine or even more aggressive stimulants.
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That's not something I necessarily recommend.
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You'll each have to determine that for you.
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But if you do, in fact, have to use all nighters
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for any reason, you can maximize this bladder
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to brain approach and the bright light approach.
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Okay, so that more or less covers how bright
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to keep your overall environment
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and how bright to keep your screen.
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If you really want to get nerdy about this,
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there is a free app called Light Meter
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where you can start measuring how many lux,
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how many photons are in a given environment.
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It's actually measuring reflectance of photons and so on.
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Maybe you can look up what a lux meter does if you like.
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I don't necessarily recommend doing that.
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I don't want to set a critical threshold by which,
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for instance, we say once your environment
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is more than 1500 lux, then it's too bright
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or not bright enough, et cetera.
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Everyone has different retinal sensitivities.
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Everyone will find that different levels of brightness
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will cause them to be alert.
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Different levels of dimness, if you will, in the room
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will cause them to feel sleepy.
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You really want to just modulate across the 24 hour cycle
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where it's very bright.
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As bright as it safely can be early in the day
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so that you are alert,
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you can do your focus detailed work in that first phase.
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And then in the afternoon,
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as you move into more creative type works
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or abstract thinking or working with other people
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in kind of a brainstorming mode
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that you would shift to dimmer lights, yellow lights,
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eliminate the blue lights as much as possible.
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Now that's light, but there's another aspect of vision
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that has been shown to be critically important
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for how alert we are going to be
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and how well we can maintain that alertness.
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And that has to do with where our visual focus is
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in a given environment.
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So I'm not talking about overall brightness.
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What I'm referring to now is simply
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where you place your phone or your tablet
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or computer screen or book,
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whatever it is that you happen to be looking at.
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There's a very underappreciated
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and yet incredible aspect of our neurology
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that has to do with the relationship
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between where we look and our level of alertness.
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And it works in a very logical way.
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We have clusters of neurons in our brainstem
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and those clusters of neurons control our eyelid muscles
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and they control our eye movements up and down
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and to the sides.
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And indeed, if you were to look at an eyeball,
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I've looked at a lot of eyeballs in my lab
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and I teach neuroanatomy, so we do this from time to time,
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we would see that there are six muscles
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attached to your eyeball.
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Now, four of them are located at the top, the bottom,
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and the two sides of your eyeball,
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sort of at the 12 o'clock, six o'clock, three o'clock,
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and nine o'clock of your eyeball.
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And those muscles can move your eye in the socket
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from side to side and up and down.
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And then we also have some muscles
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that can actually pull the eyeballs at angles, okay?
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So we have different muscles that can move the eyes
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at different angles as well.
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And that's why we can look up into the side
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or down into the side,
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not just from side to side or up or down.
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Now, the neurons that control those muscles
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have a very interesting feature,
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which is that when we are looking down toward the ground
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or anywhere below basically the central region of our face,
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the neurons that control that eye movement
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are intimately related to areas of the brainstem
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that release certain types of neuromodulators
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and neurotransmitters.
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And they activate areas of the brain
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that are associated with calm
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and indeed even with sleepiness.
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And there's an active inhibition
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or prevention of neurons that increase alertness.
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Now, the opposite is also true.
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We have neurons that place our eyes into an upward gaze
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above the sort of level of our nose
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and up above our forehead,
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literally looking up while keeping the head stationary.
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Or if you tilt your head back and you look up,
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these neurons are still active.
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Those neurons don't just control the position of the eyes
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and cause them to move up.
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They also trigger the activation of brain circuits
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that are associated with alertness.
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Now, this is a fundamental feature
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of the way that our eyes and brain are wired together
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and how they relate to what we call autonomic arousal.
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And there are a bunch of details there.
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We will actually have a guest in a few weeks
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who has learned to exploit these neurons
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and the fact that they control these different states
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of calm or alertness in order to generate hypnotic states,
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to place people into very atypical states
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in which they are both very alert and very calm.
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Save that for a future episode.
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But the important thing to understand
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is when you are looking down below the level of your nose,
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you are essentially decelerating your alertness.
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You're reducing your amount of alertness.
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It might be subtle, but it's happening.
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Whereas when you look straight ahead
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or in particular when you look up,
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you're increasing your level of alertness.
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Now, this has some obvious implications.
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When we get sleepy, our eyelids tend to close
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and we tend to nod down.
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When we're wide awake, we tend to be wide-eyed.
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We don't tend to blink as often.
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And we tend to be chin up
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and kind of on vigilance and alertness.
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So this has a evolutionary
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or at least an adaptive component to it.
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This can be exploited and indeed it's been researched
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in terms of how it can be used
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to optimize work environments.
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Contrary to what most people do,
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which is to look down at their laptop, tablet, or phone,
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if you want to be alert
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and you want to maintain the maximum amount of focus
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for whatever it is that you're reading or doing,
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you want that screen or whatever it is
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that you're looking at to at least be at eye level
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and ideally slightly above it.
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Now, I haven't seen many workspaces
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that take advantage of this
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very hardwired neurobiological fact.
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So what should you do with this information?
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Well, if you're somebody who sits down to do work
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and starts to feel sleepy or simply unfocused,
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unable to attend to whatever it is that you're doing,
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I highly recommend that you take your laptop or tablet.
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I do hope that most people aren't doing serious work
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on their phones because it's such a small visual window
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and we can talk about why that's an issue later.
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And the idea would be to place that screen of your tablet
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or your laptop or other computer
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and try and get it elevated at least to nose level,
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your nose level, or even higher.
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I realize that can be complicated to do.
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I've long just used a stack of books
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or I'll sometimes take a box and turn it upside down
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and set it there.
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I do use a mixed standing seated desk.
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I'll talk about that in a few minutes.
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There are a number of different ways that you could do this.
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You could wall mount a monitor.
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I think many people are working with laptops.
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It's a little bit harder to do that with a laptop.
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Some people though will configure a second screen.
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You have to decide what's right for you and your budget.
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But again, in addition to having a brightly lit room
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to be able to focus and attend
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to whatever it is you're working on,
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you want to have that screen position
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high in your visual environment.
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Now you wouldn't want it on the ceiling necessarily.
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Oh, that would be pretty cool.
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But you do want it above you.
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Now there are a couple of solutions to this
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that don't involve a wall mount or stacking books or boxes.
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For instance, you could be one of those people
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that likes to lie in bed or on the sofa
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and get your screen up above you
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by putting pillows on your knees.
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I used to actually do a lot of my writing and work
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in the middle of the night.
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I don't do this anymore and I don't recommend it,
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but I used to do a lot of work from bed.
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Now I no longer bring electronics for work into the bedroom.
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I just really try and keep the bedroom for sleeping
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or whatever else.
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But in terms of lying down on the couch,
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it is somewhat easier to get that screen up above you.
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You can kind of slide underneath that screen and get typing.
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But there's a problem with that.
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And we'll talk about this a little bit more in a moment,
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but it turns out that your posture,
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literally the position of your body relative to gravity
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also has important implications for how alert you are.
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So ideally you would be standing or seated.
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I would say the ideal would be standing,
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second best would be seated.
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And your screen will be either directly in front of you
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or slightly above you.
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Or if you wanted to get really fancy,
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you could create a situation where it was above you
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and slightly tilted toward you
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so that you actually had to maintain
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kind of proper neck posture.
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This accomplishes a number of things.
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In addition to making you more alert,
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you also get away from the so-called text neck.
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People are starting to look more like Cs nowadays,
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the shape of the letter C,
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because we're constantly looking down.
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I do every once in a while see somebody
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who's texting in public with it at eye level.
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It always looks a little odd that they're doing that,
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but I always admire their posture at the same time.
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So we shouldn't give them a hard time.
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So this is another feature that you can arrange
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into your physical workspace.
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Again, whether or not you're seated
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or you're standing throughout the day,
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try and get that screen elevated.
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Now with reference to posture,
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there are beautiful data illustrating
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that when we are standing up,
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those same neurons in our brainstem,
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locus coeruleus neurons, which release,
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I should mention things like norepinephrine and epinephrine,
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those neurons become active when we are standing.
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They become even more active when we are ambulatory,
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when we are moving.
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And we will talk about treadmilling and cycling at your desk
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and so forth in a little bit.
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But when you sit, they become a little less active.
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And when you lie down,
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and indeed anytime that you start to get your feet
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up above your waist or your head tilted back,
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those neurons fire less and neurons in your brain
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that are involved in calming
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and indeed putting you to sleep start increasing
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their level of firing.
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It's a really beautiful system.
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So beautiful in fact,
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that there are studies that show
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that as you adjust the angle of the body back,
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you actually get a sort of dose dependent increase
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in sleepiness and calmness
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and a dose dependent decrease in alertness.
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And so as we were all told to sit up straight
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or even better to stand up straight.
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And now I'm also telling you to get that visual thing
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that you're attending to screen or otherwise
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up in front of you or ideally above you.
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Those things combine to generate maximum alertness.
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So you can think about how you might work this
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into various aspects of your homework environment
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or office work environment.
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But as I described this,
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many of you are probably thinking what I'm thinking,
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which is gosh, most of what we do
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is in complete opposite direction
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to all of this neurobiologically grounded advice.
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Most of us are looking down at our laptop while seated,
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or we are lying down,
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which is going to make us more sleepy,
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or we are positioning our computers in front of us,
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but we really aren't in an environment that's bright enough
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and so on and so forth.
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So as you can tell,
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we're starting to layer in the various things
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that you can do.
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First, brightness in the room.
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Second, get that screen up
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and try and put yourself into a posture for work
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that lends itself or promotes alertness.
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If indeed you want to be alert for that work.
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If your goal is to take a nap,
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get your feet elevated about 10 to 15 degrees
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above your head,
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maybe put a pillow underneath it, lie down and take a nap.
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But that's not what we're talking about today.
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We're talking about workspace optimization.
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And I suppose you could also exploit that all-nighter trick
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that I talked about earlier.
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I actually did this when I was an undergraduate.
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I was a little bit masochistic in this way.
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I would drink coffee and water at fairly high volume.
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I wasn't forced drinking or anything like that,
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but I actually wouldn't allow myself to get up
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and use the bathroom except on a timer.
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So I think the longest I ever went was three and a half
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hours.
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It was kind of excruciating.
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I actually don't think that's necessarily a healthy advice,
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but again, you can use slight, I mentioned,
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slight over-consumption of fluids
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in order to generate alertness.
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That was just me really trying to get as much work done
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as I could.
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I had a very, very demanding class schedule,
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and it was just the only way that I could get work done.
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If I was getting up every few minutes to use the restroom,
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I found it hard to re-engage in that work
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and maintain focus,
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which is what I just want to briefly mention now.
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I talked about this in the episode on focus,
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but one thing that is completely unreasonable
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and that you should never ask yourself to do
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is to sit down or stand up
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and immediately focus on something,
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unless you're stressed about what you're looking at,
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or you're very, very excited by it.
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If you're very stressed about some sort of information
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or a deadline,
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or you're very, very excited about something,
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you'll find that you can focus instantly
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just within a moment.
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And that's because of the deployment of neurochemicals
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like dopamine and norepinephrine
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that bring about our levels of alertness.
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However, most of us, including myself,
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will go to begin a workout and we'll find that our mind
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doesn't quite engage at the level of depth and focus
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that we would like right off the bat.
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I've timed this and other studies have timed this
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in a more rigorous way.
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Mine is just what we call anic data.
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So I've timed it for myself,
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but there are studies that have looked at this.
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And the data point to the fact that
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even at our most heightened levels of focus,
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most people can only maintain focus before switching tasks
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for about three minutes,
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which is depressingly short period of time.
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However, you can extend that period of time,
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and I've talked about that in the episode on focus,
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but more importantly,
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when you sit down to start a workout of any kind,
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any kind, expect that it would take about six minutes
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for you to engage these neural circuits.
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You wouldn't expect yourself to walk into the gym
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and do a PR lift or start running and do your best sprint
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or just head out the door without warming up at all.
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You know, a little walk jog at first,
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or, you know, a few warmup sets.
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I mean, that's, we expect that.
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We are not surprised that we need that.
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And yet we sort of expect that our brain should be able
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to lock on and do work in a very focused way immediately.
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And that's just a ridiculous assumption.
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It's an unfair assumption, I should say.
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So assume that it will take about six minutes
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to engage in your workout and that those neurochemical
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systems will take some time to rev up and engage.
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The other things that I'm describing about lighting
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and screen positioning and posture,
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those will also help maximize your focus
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and will limit that ramp up time into a focused state.
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And I think what you'll find is that
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as you maximize your workspace,
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the time, the latency, as we say,
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to get into that focus will start to shorten.
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It'll especially start to shorten if you use tools
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to limit distraction, we will talk about distraction,
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but things like Freedom, which is an app,
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a free app that allows you to lock yourself
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out of the internet or turning off your phone, for instance.
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But even if you're doing work on your phone
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or that involves your phone or the internet,
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as many of us, including myself do,
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expect there to be a ramp up time for you to focus.
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There's another aspect of our vision
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that's absolutely critical for optimizing our workspace.
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And that has to do with this really interesting feature
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of our visual pathways in that it has two major channels.
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Those two major channels have names,
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although you don't have to remember the names.
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The first one is the so-called parvocellular channel,
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which is involved in looking at things at specific points
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in space and at high resolution or detail.
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And then there's the so-called magnocellular channel
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that's involved in looking at big swaths of visual space
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and at lower resolution.
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So you can think of the parvocellular system
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as kind of a high pixel density.
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Think about your most modern smartphone,
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the recent smartphone with the best, best camera,
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and think about the magnocellular system
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as being lower resolution, kind of an older smartphone,
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lower pixels, et cetera.
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You might ask, why would you want a system
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that's low resolution?
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Well, the low resolution system is better
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at things like detecting motion
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and not so much at detail and vice versa.
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Now, again, you don't have to remember the names.
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What you do have to remember, however,
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is that you're going to create the maximum amount
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of alertness in your system,
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the maximum amount of ability to focus
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when your system is in that parvocellular mode,
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when you're bringing your eyes to a common point,
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what we call a vergence eye movement, V-E-R-G-E-N-C-E.
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I've said this before on the podcast
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and people said virgin eye movement.
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No, vergence eye movement, as in convergence,
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bringing your eyes to a single point in space
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will create a narrower aperture of a visual window,
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meaning your visual world actually shrinks,
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at least perceptually.
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Whereas when you relax your eyes and dilate your gaze,
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you can do this now by whatever environment you're in,
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trying to see without moving your head off to the side,
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above, below you, as broadly as possible.
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Maybe you can dilate your gaze so much
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that you can see yourself, your body,
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in that visual environment.
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You'll notice that your resolution of vision
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isn't nearly as high as when you do
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that vergence eye movement.
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Vergence eye movements are incredibly powerful
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for creating heightened states of alertness and focus.
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And indeed, they create heightened states
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of cognition, of thinking.
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And that's because your brain follows your vision
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in terms of focus.
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When we say, I can't focus,
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what we often are experiencing is an inability,
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excuse me, to not focus visually.
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Whereas when we are in a very focused state,
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we are in a state often where we can focus visually.
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Now, we can also do this with our auditory system
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or to touch, et cetera.
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But right now we're just talking about the visual system.
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Now, in terms of workspace optimization,
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what this means is we never really want to be looking
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at a square or rectangle or target area for our work
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that is too far beyond our ears.
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How far is too far?
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Really, you want to try and keep the blinders on,
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or I should say the invisible blinders,
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so that whatever you're looking at falls
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within the region of visual space in front of you
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that is present if you were to cup your hands
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and put them right next to your eyes.
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Now, this is a rough estimation, but I'm doing this now.
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For those of you that are watching on YouTube,
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I'm doing this now.
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I'm trying to simulate like a horse with blinders on.
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For those of you that are listening,
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just imagine me looking silly
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with my hands cupped near my eyes.
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But if we are to, for instance,
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look at a screen that's very, very big
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and we're too close to it,
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or even if we're standing back from it,
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it's going to be hard for us to attend to everything
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within that screen space.
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So this is actually support for the idea
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of using a phone or a tablet or a laptop.
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My laptop is about 15 inches in diameter,
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I think is the one that I have.
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Some are 13, some are 17.
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Some of you like to use big monitors.
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Make sure that whatever it is that you're looking at,
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if you want to remain focused,
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it doesn't extend too far beyond where your eyes are,
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the size of your head that is.
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So just think blinders on a horse.
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And actually that's the reason they put blinders on a horse
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so that they're not looking off into the periphery.
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Horses, unlike humans, don't have the same shaped pupil.
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They don't have a visual system
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that's organized in quite the same way.
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They mostly see in panorama, in magnocellular vision.
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And so those blinders are designed
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to keep their visual focus straight ahead.
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So they physically restrict it.
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Now, some people will actually go to lengths
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to further restrict their visual focus.
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They will do things like putting on a hoodie
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or wearing a hat, for instance,
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to restrict their visual window.
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And indeed that works quite well.
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But as we'll talk about in a moment,
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when you really restrict your visual window
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down to a very, very narrow portion of visual space,
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that actually changes the types of information
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that you are best at processing.
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And we'll talk about that in terms of something
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that's called the cathedral effect in a few moments.
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But for now, here's the principle.
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Make sure that whatever you're looking at
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is directly in front of you
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and doesn't extend too far out to the side.
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Once you get out to say six or 12 or certainly 18 inches
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on either side of your eyes,
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you are dilating your gaze.
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By definition, you're dilating your gaze.
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It's completely subconscious,
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and it becomes very hard to maintain attention.
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Now, the caveat to this is that
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if you are going to look at a narrow space,
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a narrow window for any period of time,
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whether or not it's a book or a laptop
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or a tablet or a phone,
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those virgins eye movements not only create alertness,
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but they also require energy.
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And they also can fatigue the eyes
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because there's a process called accommodation
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whereby the shape of your eye literally has to change
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so that the lens can move
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so that you can focus at that location.
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Accommodation is an incredible process,
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but it is a demanding one.
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And that's the reason that your eyes get tired
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when you focus on something for too long.
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So here's a principle extracted
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from the ophthalmology and neuroscience literature
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that you can adopt.
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For every 45 minutes in which you are focusing on something
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like a phone or a tablet or a book page or your computer,
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you want to get into magnocellular panoramic vision
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for at least five minutes.
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And the way that I suggest to do this
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is actually to take a walk ideally outside.
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We're going to talk about ambulation, about movement,
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and about how that can maintain alertness
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throughout the day.
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So for every 45 minutes or so,
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try and get five minutes of relaxing your eyes.
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This is something that's not often done,
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especially in today's homeschooling
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and where people are,
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where kids are going to school by Zoom
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and adults are working by Zoom.
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This is a serious problem.
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People are getting eye fatigue.
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They're getting headaches.
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Indeed, some people are getting migraines.
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They're having all sorts of issues, neck pain.
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Much of that, if not all of that in some cases,
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can be alleviated by this 45 to five rule.
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For every 45 minutes of focused work that you do,
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get five minutes where you get outside
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or if you have to be indoors,
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where you can dilate your gaze.
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Now, some of you may be saying,
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well, that spits in the face of your 90 minute rule.
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You've told us before that we should focus for 90 minutes.
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I would still want you to take breaks
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within those 90 minutes
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if you're looking at a narrow piece of visual world,
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meaning at a phone or a laptop or so forth.
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And again, the best way to do this would be to go outside,
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just relax your eyes, look off into the distance.
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Looking at a horizon will automatically trigger
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this panoramic gaze, which is very relaxing to the eyes
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and will allow you to go back into a focused work bout.
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The one thing you absolutely do not want to do
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is to go outside and check your phone
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because if you're outside checking your phone
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or you're taking a break and checking your phone,
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you're still in that vergence eye movement, okay?
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So this is very, very important
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because vergence eye movements increase focus and attention,
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and you can exploit that to increase focus and attention
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when you want to,
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but you absolutely need to relax the system.
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Again, for every 45 minutes
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in which you've been in that focused mode,
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you want to get at least five minutes of panoramic vision.
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If you can take a 15 minute walk, even better.
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Next, I'd like to talk about
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an aspect of workspace optimization
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that can actually bias whether or not
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our brain and nervous system are better suited
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for detailed analytic work or more abstract work.
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In fact, there's a way
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that you can arrange your work environment,
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or I should say there's a way that you can place yourself
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into certain environments that will allow abstract thinking,
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creative thinking, and indeed expansive thinking to emerge.
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00:44:51.100
There are other environments that you can put yourself in
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that will make your brain shift
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towards more analytic work,
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toward more detailed and precise types of work.
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Now, I just briefly want to mention
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something that was covered again on the habits episode
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that I did a few weeks ago,
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but again, you don't need to see that episode
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in order to digest this information.
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It goes back to this issue of three phases
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within the circadian 24 hour cycle.
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Phase one, which as I mentioned,
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is about zero to eight hours after waking.
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Phase two, nine to 16 hours after waking.
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And phase three, 17 to 24 hours after waking.
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Phase one, being ideal for analytic,
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precise, detailed types of work.
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Phase two, better suited for most people
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for creative kind of abstract thinking,
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expansive thinking, brainstorming, et cetera.
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There are some exceptions to that,
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but most people follow that pattern
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because of the different neuromodulators
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and hormones and so forth
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that are released into the brain and body
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at those different phases.
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What I'm about to tell you is a way
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in which you can use your physical environment
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00:45:56.020
to further shift your brain and nervous system
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into a mode that's either primed for analytic
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or abstract and creative thinking.
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What I'm about to describe is called the cathedral effect.
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The cathedral effect has been discussed,
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well, really for many, many decades,
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maybe even hundreds of years,
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but formally has been discussed since the early 2000s
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in which it seemed that people
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who were in high ceilinged environments,
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hence the phrase cathedral,
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would shift their thinking and their ideas
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to more abstract and creative lofty type thinking.
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So literally higher ceiling, loftier thinking,
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higher aspirations.
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This was observed in terms of the language that they use,
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but also the sorts of ideas that they would generate.
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And conversely, that people
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that were in lower ceilinged environments
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would be more oriented toward using language
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that was more restricted, literally more detailed,
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analytic about things in their immediate space.
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Now, this seems kind of wild on the one hand,
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but actually if we go back to our understanding
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of the neurobiology of the visual system
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and the way that our brains and bodies evolved
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in different environments, it actually makes a lot of sense.
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We don't have time to go into a long lecture
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about evolutionary neurobiology,
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but we have to remember that our nervous system
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has a number of features
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that are adapted to different environments.
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And indeed we are able to go from big open prairies
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or mountain tops or large cathedrals or concert halls
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into small environments and everything scales with it.
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When we're outdoors in a big expansive space,
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our vision tends to go long.
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We tend to be in panoramic, magnocellular vision.
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Our hearing tends to extend long.
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Even if we're having a conversation with somebody,
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we tend to also be attending somewhat
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to the screech of hawks off in the distance
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or to the rush of a river.
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Whereas when we were in small spaces,
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everything, our vision, our hearing,
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and indeed even our physical movements
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become more restrained,
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even if we can still extend our hands out
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as far as we want.
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What do I mean by that?
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Let's say you're in an elevator.
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That's a small space compared to outside on a field.
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This has been measured over and over again.
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People's, the size or the amplitude
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of people's spontaneous movements
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actually scales down in smaller environments
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even if they aren't completely restricted
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from extending their limbs all the way.
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Whereas when we were outdoors,
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we feel a natural impulse to move further
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away from our body, our torso with our limbs.
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This is just feels like more appropriate behavior.
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And when I say appropriate,
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I don't mean in any kind of social context necessarily.
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There's actually a reason for this.
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The visual system and the so-called vestibular motor system
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are intimately linked.
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And I can just tell you briefly one way
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in which you can test this and observe this
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and even use this.
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It's a little off topic from today's episode,
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but let's say you have a certain amount of flexibility.
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You can extend your arms off like wings
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is what I'm doing for those either listening,
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not watching, off to your sides with arms straight.
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And you reach a maximum positioning of flexibility.
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You can do a quick experiment where you sit still.
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You would bring your arms in for a moment.
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You can put them on your knees if you like
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or in front of you.
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And you can move your eyes very far off
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into the periphery of your visual field.
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So you actually, I'm going to do this now.
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It looks kind of silly,
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but moving my eyes without moving my head
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off into the periphery all the way to the right,
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then all the way to the left,
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all the way up, all the way down,
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but especially all the way to the left,
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almost looking over my shoulder
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without turning my head all the way to my right.
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And you will find that you actually can extend
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your arms further back subsequent to that.
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And that's not magic.
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It has to do with the ways in which your cerebellum,
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which actually means mini brain,
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00:49:39.520
and your eyes, your visual system are connected,
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and the way in which your cerebellum controls
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some of the spindles and other aspects
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of the neuromuscular architecture of your nervous system,
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because your nerves control your muscles,
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and allow those muscles to move further out.
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So for those of you that lack flexibility,
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you can actually exploit your visual system for this.
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Now that's, again, a bit of a tangent,
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but it's a fun one that relates back
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to this so-called cathedral effect.
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The cathedral effect is a way in which our thinking
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becomes more restricted and restrained
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in tighter, smaller, more confined visual environments.
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Or if the ceiling is higher, we are in expansive space
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with a lot of distance above us or space above us
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and out to the sides, maybe even out on a field,
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our thinking goes into these more broad,
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abstract, and loftier future thinking in particular.
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This has actually been measured.
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There's a really nice paper.
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I will post a link to this.
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The authors are Joan Myers Levy and Rui,
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and then in parentheses, Juliet Zou.
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I'm going to assume that they go by Juliet.
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00:50:41.080
The title of the paper is the influence of ceiling height,
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the effect of priming on the type of processing
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that people use.
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And I won't go into all the details of this paper,
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but what's really cool about this paper
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is they looked with very rigorous statistics,
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and they have a fair number of subjects,
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and everything about this paper looks solid to me,
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at the difference in cognitive processing
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and abstract thinking and detailed analytic work
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00:51:03.880
that people are able to perform in environments
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00:51:07.360
that have a 10-foot ceiling versus an eight-foot ceiling,
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00:51:10.440
which is not that much of a difference.
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It's just two-foot difference there.
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And what they found were significant effects
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whereby high ceilings activate concepts
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related to abstraction,
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00:51:22.160
whereas low ceilings prime confinement-related concepts
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but promote the kind of detailed thinking
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00:51:28.080
that lends itself well to sort of spreadsheet-type work
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or accounting-type work,
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00:51:33.180
whereas abstract creative work was supported
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by these higher ceilings.
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And the way they analyze this was really interesting.
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00:51:38.820
Again, we don't have time to go into all the details,
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but they asked people to sort of generate word sets
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related to particular topics like sports.
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And so people would talk about soccer, football,
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baseball, golf, et cetera,
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and talk about some of the equipment and other things.
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And then they had a kind of a challenge,
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a cognitive challenge,
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whereby people had to link different concepts
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along different dimensions
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so that you depart from the dimension of sport
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and you start thinking about sports that involve teams
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or sports that involve a ball, et cetera.
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And so in the same conditions,
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you can, except for the fact
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that the ceiling height is different, eight feet or 10 feet,
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what one finds is that the kinds of language
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and the kinds of associations
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00:52:17.800
that people start to create are vastly different.
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And there are actually two experiments in this study.
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You're welcome to go look at it.
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So it wasn't just about sports.
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There were some other things that were analyzed as well.
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And in the references of this paper,
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it also points to other examples now
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of the cathedral effect,
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which I find very interesting
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because as a vision scientist
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and someone who spends his life thinking about
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and indeed talking about the nervous system,
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we know that our cognition follows our vision.
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00:52:43.520
For low vision or blind people,
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it will follow mostly their hearing
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00:52:47.760
and to some extent their touch.
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00:52:49.080
But for most people who are sighted,
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as most people are sighted,
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00:52:52.640
our cognition follows our visual environment.
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00:52:56.600
So what does this mean for workspace optimization?
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Well, most of us have a fixed ceiling level
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in our home,
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00:53:03.040
but you might have rooms in which the ceiling is higher
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00:53:05.120
and rooms in which the ceiling is lower.
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00:53:06.720
If that were the case,
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I recommend if you want to do creative work
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during phase two,
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the nine to 16 hours of your circadian cycle,
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nine to 16 hours after waking, that is,
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that you do that in the high ceiling room
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or maybe even outdoors out on a deck or on a patio
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00:53:19.960
because the highest ceiling of course is the sky.
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Whereas if you're going to do detailed analytic work in,
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00:53:26.560
I would suggest doing that during phase one of the day.
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But even if you're going to do it
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00:53:29.680
during phase two of the day,
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for whatever reason,
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scheduling or other sorts of constraints,
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that you do that in the lower ceiling environment.
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00:53:36.620
Now, if you are interested in controlling your,
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00:53:39.220
the height of your visual world,
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00:53:40.520
but you don't have control over your,
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00:53:42.480
the ceiling height of the environment that you're in,
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00:53:44.720
there is another way to do that.
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And I used to observe this in the cafes
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and around Stanford in the Bay area
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00:53:49.320
where you would see somebody who,
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despite the weather would be in a hoodie,
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00:53:53.240
maybe with a baseball cap or other form of hat
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00:53:55.960
or some sort of blinder above their eyebrows,
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00:53:59.700
which is actually another way of just lowering
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the ceiling height very, very low
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and restricting your visual field.
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00:54:04.760
Not unlike blinders that we talked about before
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that one would put on a horse
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or one would put on them themselves
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by restricting their visual angle of focus
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to directly in front of them,
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but not too far out beyond the sides of their head.
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00:54:15.960
So these cathedral effects,
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I think can be leveraged
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toward doing particular types of work best.
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00:54:21.360
And again, the lower the ceiling
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00:54:23.000
or the lower your visual environment,
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00:54:25.200
the more that one tends to do,
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or I should say, performs detailed analytic work accurately.
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00:54:32.400
And the more that one's thinking is oriented
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towards detailed sort of correct answer type work.
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Whereas when the ceiling is higher or there's no ceiling,
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the more that the brain and the rest of the processing
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that we call cognitive processing
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is related to abstract reasoning, brainstorming,
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and indeed can pull from broader swaths of memory resources.
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00:54:55.240
Because really what abstract reasoning is,
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is it's taking existing elements
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00:54:59.180
and maneuvering them or arranging them into novel ways.
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00:55:02.520
So you can think about like notes on a piano,
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00:55:05.040
playing a particular song, learning scales,
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00:55:06.880
that's very analytic.
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00:55:07.800
There's a correct answer
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that you're trying to arrive at or generate.
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00:55:11.420
Whereas writing music or writing poetry
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or generating new material of any kind
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00:55:17.960
involves taking existing elements, right?
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00:55:19.800
You're not going to use words
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that you don't have committed to your memory
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or that you're not aware of,
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00:55:24.140
and arranging them in novel ways.
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00:55:26.080
So I think the cathedral effect can be leveraged.
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00:55:28.440
And again, you don't need to move into a different home
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00:55:30.460
or build a slanted roof and work at one side of the room
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00:55:33.360
at one part of the day
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00:55:34.200
and the other side of the room at the other.
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00:55:35.160
Although, hey, if that's the way you want to swing it,
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that's great.
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Most of us don't have that flexibility,
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but it's very clear that the height of the ceiling
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of the visual environment that we're in
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has a profound effect on the types of cognitive processes
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that we are able to engage.
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00:55:50.400
Now I'd like to shift our attention
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to the auditory environment
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or the noise in the room or the music in the room
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or the music or noise in the headphones,
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because it turns out that there is a lot
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of quality scientific data out there
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that speaks to whether or not listening to particular sounds
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can enhance our cognition.
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And indeed the answer is yes,
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but there are very particular types of things to listen to
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under very particular types of conditions
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that allow one to do that.
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First off, I want to say that people vary tremendously
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in the extent to which they can tolerate
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background noise for work.
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In fact, individuals will vary tremendously
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from one day to the next, or even within the same day
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in the extent to which they can tolerate background noise.
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I've experienced this myself.
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There've been times in which I've been working at home
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and I felt like for whatever reason,
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I just could not engage in focus.
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And what worked to generate more focus for me
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was to go to a cafe or to a library
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or someplace where there's actually more commotion,
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more people moving about, maybe even more noise,
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maybe even music in the room.
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And we have to all be in touch
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with when we want more background noise
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or when we want less background noise.
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There is no hard and fast rule.
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If you look across the literature
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for studies that involve complete silence or white noise
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or binaural beats or music or classical music
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or rock and roll,
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00:57:13.960
you can find results to support any type of environment
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as being more beneficial.
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However, as we'll talk about in a moment,
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there are a few types of environments to really avoid
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and a few types of sounds that really can enhance
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the cognition and your ability to focus
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in your workspace environment across the board
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that really seem to work for all people.
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Let's talk about background noise to avoid.
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And here we're talking about background noise to avoid
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because it actually can cause
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some pretty severe deficits in cognition.
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There's a paper, first author, Jordan Love, cool name.
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Last author, Alexander Francis.
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The title of the paper has to do with
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psychophysiological responses to potentially annoying
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heating ventilation and air conditioning noise
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during mentally demanding work, which is a mouthful.
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But basically what this paper identifies is a large dataset
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in which workplace and environmental noise,
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mostly the humming of air conditioners that's very loud
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or the humming of heaters that's very loud and ongoing,
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just incessant, doesn't let up,
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can really increase mental fatigue
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and can vastly decrease cognitive performance.
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And if you're interested in looking at the cognitive
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performance data, the authors are Banbury and Berry, 2005.
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That paper is the one that supports the fact
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that cognitive performance is worse
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when there's just the hum of an air conditioner
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in the background or the hum of a heater
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and otherwise complete silence.
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There's also evidence, which I discussed on the episode
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about hearing, which is that in young children,
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white noise can cause some impairments in the development
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of the auditory system.
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Now, I don't want parents to freak out.
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And if you're exposed to white noise as a sleep aid,
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as a child, which I know many of you were, don't freak out.
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But it turns out that white noise,
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especially if it's loud white noise,
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can cause some disruption in the auditory maps,
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the representation of different frequencies of sound
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in the brain that can lead to some deficits in auditory
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and even language processing.
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So we really have to be careful about long-term exposure,
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extended exposure to white noise or air conditioning noise
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that's really at a high level.
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I wouldn't worry if it's in the background
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and it's shutting off and turning on again
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as the thermostat kicks off and on,
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but really trying to avoid work in loud fan-filled
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or ventilation generating or heat generating environments,
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because it really can cause damage
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to the auditory system long-term.
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And as we described, it can impair cognitive performance
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and overall increase fatigue.
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I think we've all experienced that when you're in a room
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and there's some ongoing background noise
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and all of a sudden it stops
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and you just feel this enormous relief.
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And the reason for this is that our auditory system
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has a parallel to our visual system.
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In our visual system, that light entering the eyes
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triggers the activation of those melanopsin cells,
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which triggers activation of the hypothalamus,
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a particular area of the hypothalamus,
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which generates alertness, generates the release
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even of cortisol, a stress hormone.
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In the auditory system, when there's ongoing sound,
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your auditory system hears that,
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even if you're not paying attention to it,
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if you're paying attention to something else,
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it still registers those little hair cells,
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as they're called in your inner ear,
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are fluttering, the eardrum is beating
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and in concert to that sound frequency.
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And there's a brainstem mechanism that generates alertness
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and a kind of vigilance.
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So when you have a sound that's ongoing in the background,
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it shuts off, all of a sudden you experience that piece,
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which is the turning off of those brainstem circuits
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that are associated with vigilance.
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The locus coeruleus, which we talked about earlier,
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which release epinephrine and norepinephrine
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and generate that heightened state of alertness
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in your brain and body, those neurons then can turn off
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and you experience that as relaxation.
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So does that mean that we shouldn't listen to white noise
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or pink noise or brown noise while we're working?
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Certainly a lot of people do.
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In fact, if you want to know what white noise,
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pink noise and brown noise are,
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they're just different constellations
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of auditory frequencies that are played together.
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Most of us think of white noise as the shh on a screen,
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all the black and white pixels going all around,
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like they call it visual snow.
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But pink noise has certain sound frequencies
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notched out, taken out.
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Brown noise has others.
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It has different frequencies that are included
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at higher amplitude, et cetera.
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You can look this stuff up on YouTube if you want.
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You just put brown noise.
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None of it sounds terrific.
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It doesn't sound like music.
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It's literally just noise,
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mixed frequencies and no particular arrangement.
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There is some evidence that playing white noise
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in the background or on headphones or pink noise
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or brown noise can facilitate cognition,
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but it's mainly through an increase
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in this overall alertness as a consequence
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of areas like locus coeruleus and other brainstem areas
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that are associated with autonomic arousal from that noise.
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So it's a lot like the air conditioner effect.
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And I think done in a restricted way,
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meaning not for hours and hours,
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but maybe if your focus is waning
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and you're having a hard time engaging in work,
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you might put on some brown noise or white noise
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or pink noise and work that way for 45 minutes or so
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before you go to your panoramic vision walk
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and get some sunlight.
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That should be fine.
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There's really no reason to suspect, however,
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that those particular patterns of noise
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are going to optimize particular mental functions.
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So what I'd like to turn to next
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are particular patterns of sounds
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that indeed have been shown in peer-reviewed studies
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to optimize certain types of mental processing,
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because you can incorporate these
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into your optimized workspace environment
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through headphones or through speakers,
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whatever mechanism that you want
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in order to get more out of your work efforts.
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If you were to search for apps or go online
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and try and find sounds that can improve thinking
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or change your emotions,
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you're generally going to find three types.
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One are called isochronic tones.
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These are tones usually of a common frequency.
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So it might be a beep and then a pause
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and then beep of the same frequency and then beep.
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Forgive my terrible beeping.
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I don't know what good beeping would sound like,
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but contrast isochronic tones with monaural beats.
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Monaural beats would be repetitive,
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almost percussive-like beats delivered to just one ear.
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Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo,
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this kind of thing.
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Okay, you can find apps that can deliver monaural beats.
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You can find also apps that deliver so-called binaural beats.
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You can also find YouTube scripts or channels
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that will deliver binaural beats.
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Binaural beats, as the name suggests,
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are beats delivered to the two ears.
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One pattern of kind of percussive beat to one ear
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and a different pattern,
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or at least a pattern that's out of phase,
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that's not synchronized, delivered to the other ear.
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So on one ear, you hear doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo,
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and then the other ear, you've got doo, doo, doo.
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And what happens is because of the way
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that the auditory system converges in the brainstem
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and generates what are called intraoral time differences,
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I'll explain what that means in a moment,
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intraoral time differences,
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the difference between the two patterns of beats
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that are heard by each of the two different ears
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leads to a third pattern that the brain entrains to
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and kind of maps onto
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and generates particular types of brain waves, okay?
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So without going into a lot of detail,
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intraoral time differences are the ways
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in which if you were to hear something off to your right,
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like I just snapped my finger
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just to the right of my right ear,
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that a signal arrives in my right ear
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before that sound signal,
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those sound waves arrive in my left ear.
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So there's an intraoral between ears time difference.
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And there's a brainstem area in which signals from one ear
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and signals from the other ear converge,
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and there's literally a math done by your nervous system
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that says this signal arrived before the other signal.
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And the difference between those signals
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is the intraoral time difference.
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So if I were to snap my fingers on both sides,
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on my left and on my right side at the exact same time,
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and they arrive at the same time,
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the intraoral time difference is zero.
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Whereas if one goes first on the right and then the left,
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I'm terrible at snapping on the left.
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It's a weak snap, but it was there.
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Then there's a delay in the intraoral time difference
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has a particular value.
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Okay, you get it.
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It's almost ridiculously simple.
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Binaural beats have been generated
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in ways that create a particular pattern
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of intraoral time differences
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that then cascades up to the rest of the brain
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and puts the forebrain and other areas of the brain
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that are involved in cognition and action
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into a particular rhythm.
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And some of the rhythms or waves of brain activity
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are ones that you may have heard of.
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Things like alpha waves or theta waves or gamma waves.
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Now, I don't like to get too attached
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to particular brain waves
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as excellent for particular kinds of thinking.
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This is something that was really popular
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in the 90s and 2000s
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when ways of measuring brain activity noninvasively
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with electrodes on the outside
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enabled people to identify
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that indeed alpha brain waves
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are associated with alertness states
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and some are other brain waves
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that are kind of larger amplitude, slow waves,
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like delta waves are associated
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with kind of sleepiness or relaxation.
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But in general, the way that the brain works
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is that different brain waves
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are generated in different structures at different times
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and those combine to give us a sense of happiness
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or give us a sense of focus
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or give us a sense of creativity.
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Nonetheless, if you look across the board
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at the studies of binaural beats
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and you ask what sorts of binaural beats
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appear to be useful for people to enhance
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their brain function for particular kinds of tasks,
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we arrive at some very interesting answers.
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So we'll review what those are now.
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The frequency of binaural beats
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that appears to bring about
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improved cognitive functioning at the level of memory,
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improved reaction times,
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and improved verbal recall seems to be 40 Hertz.
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Now, is it exactly 40 Hertz?
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We don't know,
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but if one wants to look up a great reference on this,
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the reference Colzato, C-O-L-Z-A-T-O et al, 2017,
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describes in here, I'm quoting,
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so this is a direct quote,
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the present findings are in line
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with those of a recent study,
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which also found faster reaction times
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in participants that listen to binaural beats of 40 Hertz.
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And you can find many examples of this in the literature
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where binaural beats of about 40 Hertz
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were exactly 40 Hertz in some cases,
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somehow brought the brain into a state
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that made it optimal for learning, for memory,
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and for certain types of recall,
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including verbal recall, math learning, et cetera.
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So for those of you that are interested in binaural beats,
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there are a number of free apps out there.
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I'm not going to recommend any in particular.
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You just have to search for one that you happen to like.
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One thing that you will find
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is that many of those apps super impose binaural beats
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onto raindrops or ocean sounds,
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or rather they superimpose ocean sounds
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and raindrops onto the binaural beats.
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That does not appear to be as effective
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as pure binaural beats.
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There has been an exploration
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of lower frequency binaural beats.
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So for instance, seven Hertz,
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which is theta binaural beats done for 30 minutes
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with an overlay of rain sound or rain sounds only,
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that's been analyzed.
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And believe it or not,
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that showed immediate recall memory
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was significantly decreased, okay?
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So that's a negative effect of binaural beats on memory.
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So the idea that binaural beats
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are just great for us across the board, I think is wrong.
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It does appear that the higher frequency binaural beats
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as one moves up toward 40 Hertz
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are going to be the most beneficial.
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There are instances in which,
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for instance, 15 Hertz binaural beats
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increased response accuracy
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on a spatial verbal memory task.
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This is a complicated working memory task.
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Working memory is the kind of memory
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of remembering a phone number.
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So if I say, for instance, 4932931,
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and you have to remember that number,
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keeping it online is what we call your working memory.
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It's likely that you would forget
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that two or three days later.
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You can get improvements in working memory
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with 15 Hertz binaural beats.
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Whereas the other control conditions,
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five Hertz and 10 Hertz binaural beats
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all decreased accuracy of working memory.
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However, when I look at the literature
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and I examined a number of different studies,
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what I always seem to come back to
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was that 40 Hertz or so plus or minus five Hertz
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seem to be optimal for generating improvements
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in cognition, in math performance,
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and even in various types of memory recall
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and even in musical performance.
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You might wonder, well, how can people do
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musical performance that are listening to binaural beats?
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Here's another surprise.
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Many of the studies that I looked at
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didn't have people listening to binaural beats
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while they were doing the tasks,
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the memory task or the music learning, et cetera.
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They would do it beforehand for 30 minutes.
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There were instances in which people were listening
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to binaural beats during the task.
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But if you decide to employ binaural beats,
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I recommend this 40 Hertz as a great place to start.
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I don't recommend doing it for all of your work bouts.
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I think there's a good reason to believe
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that you could attenuate to it.
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But if you are going to try it, you might try it both ways.
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You might try listening to binaural beats
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for about 30 minutes while doing something else,
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and then maybe eating lunch or something of that sort
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or taking a walk and then going into the work bout.
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Because remember, the moment that you start listening
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to these binaural beats,
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the brain doesn't immediately switch
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into a particular pattern of oscillation or brainwaves.
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It takes some time.
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Neural circuits, again, take time to engage.
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The only neural circuits that are going to engage instantly
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are going to be the ones that are of a sort of reflexive
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sort, like you step on a sharp object
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and you have to retract your limb,
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or you suddenly are stressed by a distressing text message,
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or you're suddenly delighted about a delightful text message.
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But when it comes to shifting your whole brain state
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toward optimizing work, it takes a little bit of time.
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So again, 40 hertz binaural beats, many, many apps,
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many YouTube scripts out there,
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probably other resources for binaural beats,
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hopefully zero cost so you can access those
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without any need to shell out any money.
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If you find one that you particularly like,
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maybe put it in the comment section
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so other people can find it,
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YouTube would be the best place to do that.
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Feel free to put a link or just a description.
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That would be wonderful.
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And again, you don't need to listen to binaural beats
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at the exact same time that you're doing the work,
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although that could also enhance your productivity.
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Some of you out there might be craving
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a little bit more mechanism by which binaural beats
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can influence things like focus or reduced reaction time.
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This has actually been explored.
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This 40 hertz binaural beats pattern
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seems to have an effect on what's called striatal dopamine.
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We have dopamine as a neuromodulator,
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of course, involved in many things in motivation.
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It's actually involved in adaptation to light in the retina,
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something that most people don't know,
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but it's involved in movement,
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which is why people with Parkinson's
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who have a depletion of dopamine neurons
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actually have movement deficits and so on.
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But striatal dopamine is closely related
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to motivation and focus.
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And 40 hertz binaural beats
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appears to increase striatal dopamine release.
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And this has actually been measured indirectly
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by what we call spontaneous blink rate.
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I've been accused on various Instagram posts
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and even on this podcast of being a non-blinker,
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let's call it, or a minimal blinker.
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And as an important aside,
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there is no evidence whatsoever
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that people that don't blink very much
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are sociopaths or lie.
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Also, you will hear that people who blink a lot
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are sociopaths and are lying.
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There is absolutely no evidence
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that blink frequency correlates
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with anything except alertness.
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Now, longer blinks are associated with less alertness.
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As we get tired, we tend to blink longer and longer
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until we take the long blink that is sleep.
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I guess the long blink would be death,
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but the long-ish blink would be sleep.
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But it turns out that the more firing
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of striatal dopamine neurons that's occurring,
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the more frequently we blink.
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And so it is associated with a resetting
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of our visual window.
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That's what happens when we blink.
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And there's a whole relationship
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between blinking and time perception
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that we covered in the episode on time perception.
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But here's the bottom line for sake of this discussion.
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40 hertz binaural beats
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appears to increase spontaneous blink rates
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because it increases dopamine transmission
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in the brainstem and in the striatum,
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in several locations, in fact.
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And so the way in which these binaural beats
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set a rhythm in the brain,
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recruits dopamine release,
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that dopamine release leads to heightened levels
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of motivation and focus.
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Why motivation and focus?
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Well, dopamine is actually the substrate
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by which epinephrine is made.
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Dopamine, the molecule,
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is actually converted into epinephrine, adrenaline.
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And they work together like close cousins,
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dopamine and epinephrine,
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in order to put us on a path of movement,
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or if we are doing work of mental movement toward a goal.
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So that's a little bit of mechanistic meat
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to explain at least part of the reason
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why 40 hertz binaural beats can enhance our focus,
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reduce our reaction times,
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and improve indeed learning and memory.
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Next, I'd like to talk about the role of movement
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in optimizing our workspace.
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And whether or not standing, sitting, lying down,
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treadmilling, or even, believe it or not, cycling,
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can enhance our work output and performance.
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Before we do that,
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I want to touch on two aspects of optimizing workspace
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that will come up at some point
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in your work or school life.
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Alas, there isn't a lot of science around this,
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but I think they are worth mentioning.
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And I think I can offer a little bit of advice
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in terms of how to navigate these
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in a way that would be beneficial to you.
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The first one is interruptions.
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You know, if you go online and you ask about, you know,
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how to avoid interruptions, people will say,
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okay, well, if you have kids at home, or even if you don't,
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or at work, you'll have a light, like a recording,
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like recording is on, we're busy now,
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or have a sign on the door that says,
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bother only in the case of emergency,
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or fine to knock, or don't knock at all.
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I've used a different policy throughout the years.
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I am somebody who works pretty hard
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to control my time and focus.
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But of course, as a laboratory director,
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I have people coming by and who want to talk about things.
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And of course, we have phones and we have computers
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and people's opportunity to reach us.
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Interruptions really are deadly
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to our ability to generate focus.
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And it's not just about the distraction that occurs
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of say a minute or two minutes or five minutes
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when we were interrupted.
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It's also about the additional time
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to get those brain circuits re-engaged to a mode of focus.
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So it's really kind of a double whammy.
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Now, none of us, including myself,
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want to be harsh or cruel or shut off from the world.
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And oftentimes interruptions bring incredible insights
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and people are providing support
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and very useful things that are essential to my workday
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and presumably to your workday and school day as well.
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But there's a simple method that I learned
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from my graduate advisor that works very, very well.
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Again, no peer-reviewed data to support it.
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This is just my experience.
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But this is somebody who had immense powers of focus,
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had a very, very demanding life, a long commute,
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two children, extensive laboratory, et cetera.
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And what she would do was if I came by and asked a question
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or if anyone came by and asked a question,
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she would acknowledge their presence
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but would not shift her body toward them.
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So she purposely did not position her computer
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facing the door, which I think is a deadly,
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or I should say deadly to focus way
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of positioning your workspace.
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So her computer was facing the wall.
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The door was perpendicular to that.
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And I would come by and I say, I have a question.
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And she would say, yes.
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So she would acknowledge my presence,
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but she wouldn't actually orient her body toward me,
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which told me that this conversation
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was not going to last very long.
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And no matter how long I stood there or what I asked,
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she would never orient toward me,
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which generally kept these conversations very, very short.
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We had other designated meetings
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where we would be face-to-face.
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The other approach, which I confess colleagues of mine
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have used before, not necessarily at Stanford,
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but elsewhere is to simply say no
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to everything that somebody requests or comes by.
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So if someone would knock on the door,
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they would just shout no through the door.
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Or if someone would say, can I bother you for a second?
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They would say no.
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Or if someone would say, I have something I want to tell you,
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they would just say no, and they would just continue
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doing this until the person went away.
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That was actually very effective.
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These were some of the most productive people I know,
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not always the kindest people,
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but some of them were very kind.
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The other approach that I've seen,
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and actually this is an approach that was used
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by someone who has been a guest on the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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someone who's immensely productive, was that he,
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so I'm constraining who this might be by saying he,
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he actually, despite having the option
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to have a very large office,
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would place himself in a workspace
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that was literally a coat closet,
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cleared out with a desk, small lamp, completely dark.
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So this violates everything that I've talked about before
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or prior to this, everything about high ceilings,
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bright light, et cetera, and would work, still works,
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underneath a desk lamp in a completely dark closet,
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minimal ventilation.
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This is my definition of hell,
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and yet is one of the most productive people on the planet.
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Also very, very hard to find.
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I actually know where his closet is.
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It turns out he has several of them that he migrates from
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in order to avoid distractions.
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So I mentioned these as kind of extremes.
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I think that most of us exist on the other extreme,
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and that's why I mention it,
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which is that most of us like some social engagement
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and kind of welcome or at least set our work environment
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in a way that welcomes interruption,
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and we have to be very, very careful about this.
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Now in the digital realm,
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I already mentioned a few of the things that we can do
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as practical tools to limit interruptions.
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One is to use the program freedom.
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The other would be to simply turn off the wifi.
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If you do need to be online and navigating,
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you're doing research of any kind,
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that's not going to be possible.
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Turning off one's phone.
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I've at times put my phone on airplane mode.
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If that didn't work, I've locked it in a safe.
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I've done that. I've left it in the car outside.
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It all depends on one's levels of self-discipline,
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which as you probably know from your own experience
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tends to kind of wax and wane.
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Sometimes we are better at avoiding these distractions
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than others.
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If you find yourself in a place where it's very hard
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to reduce those distractions,
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you may need to go to more elaborate lengths.
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01:19:01.640
I will say that a graduate student in my lab
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who was immensely productive and focused
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had the habit of coming in each day.
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She would take her phone,
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I don't know if she turned it on, off or not,
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and she would just place it in a door, excuse me,
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in a drawer, and would then go start doing experiments.
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We do experiments all day, attend courses,
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engage in discussions avidly with the rest of us,
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and then would take her phone out at the end of the day
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and leave.
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And I don't think that behavior was not correlated
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with her immense productivity.
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I think the ability to untether ourselves from the phone
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is going to be the way in which many of us
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are either going to succeed or fail in our various pursuits.
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I'm somebody who engages with the phone on a regular basis
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throughout the day for various reasons,
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but I do try and have large swaths of the day
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in which it's either on airplane mode
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or it's completely physically separated from me.
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And when I mean large swaths,
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I might do every other hour with the phone on airplane mode
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or even a two or three hour bout
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where I just am simply not engaged with the phone at all.
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01:20:01.680
So is it better to sit
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or is it better to stand when doing work,
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at least as it relates to focus and productivity?
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And the answer is both.
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There've been a number of systematic studies
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exploring what are called sit-stand desks.
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So these are desks that can be set to a height
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that makes standing the best practice,
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and then they can be lowered to a height
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that makes sitting the best practice
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or the easiest practice, I should say.
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And it turns out that just sitting is terrible for us, okay?
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And there's an enormous number of studies out there
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that point to the fact that people who sit for five or six
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or seven hours a day doing work have all sorts of issues
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related to sleep, neck pain, cognition suffers,
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the number of cardiovascular effects, even digestion.
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There may even actually be some almost pressure effects
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on the pelvic floor and things of that sort,
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depending on the chairs that one uses,
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but that people who stand are in a slightly better situation
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where many of those health metrics improve,
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but that people that do a combination of sitting
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and standing at the same desk throughout the day
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or move from one desk to another
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if they don't have a combination sit-stand desk,
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that that's going to be best.
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The good news is it's very easy to convert a sit desk
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into a stand desk.
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You can just stack some boxes.
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I've done this at times or stack books.
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There are also some pedestals and things
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that you can purchase if that's your preference
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in order to set your computer at a particular height.
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And of course there are desks that have motors
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and there are ones that have cranks
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and there are all sorts of variations,
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both in terms of the types and whether or not
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they have motors, as well as the cost to these things.
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So they can go from very low costs like placing boxes
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or books to create a standing desk
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to very high cost in some cases.
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Now, what's interesting if you look
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at the scientific literature is that people
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who decreased their sitting time by about half each day.
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So they took, let's say they were working
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for seven hours a day, three and a half hours of that day,
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they decide to stand.
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And it's not even clear that it matters
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that they do all those three hours in one bout
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or they divide that up into shorter bouts of a half an hour
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and then sit for half an hour, et cetera,
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alternating back and forth,
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showed incredibly significant effects
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on reduced neck and shoulder pain,
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increase in subjective health,
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vitality in work-related environments,
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and perhaps most importantly,
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for sake of today's discussion,
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improvement in cognitive conditioning
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and the ability to embrace new tasks
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and cognitive performance.
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There are several studies that if one wanted to explore,
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they could explore this in more detail.
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I'll put a link to this as well.
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The article that I'm referring to is called
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Effect of Workplace Sit-Stand Desk Intervention
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on Health and Productivity.
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And I like this paper because many of the papers out there
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focus on the effects of sit-stand desks on health
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in trying to get people to burn more calories,
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improve their posture, relieve neck pain,
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slumped over, et cetera, but not on productivity.
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01:22:56.920
And this particular paper focuses
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also on the metrics of productivity.
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It has its own study
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and also references a number of important studies.
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01:23:03.660
What does this mean for you and me?
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Well, I've long used a standing desk
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or some variation thereof.
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01:23:08.540
What this means is that we should probably spend
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about half of our work time standing
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and about half of it sitting,
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but not all sitting or not all standing.
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If you had to do all one or the other,
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standing is going to be better than sitting.
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What happens if we just stand?
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Well, that can also generate some postural issues
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in terms of stabilization and fatigue.
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I have a good friend who's in the movement
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and physical rehabilitation and physiology space.
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His name is Kelly Starrett.
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He's very impressive in all those domains.
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And he always says, you know,
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we weren't designed to sit all day,
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but we also weren't designed to stand all day.
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And I think that's true.
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If we were to look back at our species
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over tens or hundreds or thousands of years,
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we would find that indeed we did sit down.
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We did lie down.
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01:23:52.020
It wasn't that we were standing all day long.
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That said, most everybody, at least in the US,
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is not getting sufficient cardiovascular exercise
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or movement throughout the day.
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01:24:02.640
And standing at one's desk
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can improve some of those health metrics
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and again can improve productivity,
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01:24:08.560
probably because of those postural effects
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that I talked about earlier,
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that when we lie down,
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there tends to be less alertness in our brainstem,
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01:24:16.880
if you will, there's less activation
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of those brainstem circuits involved in alertness.
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And indeed the circuits that involve
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kind of a calming effect on the body get activated.
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01:24:26.120
And as we become upright, standing or sitting,
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01:24:30.220
but especially standing,
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01:24:31.740
then those brainstem circuits for alertness kick on,
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01:24:34.500
which are going to make it easier to remain focused.
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01:24:37.480
If you are going to start standing for half of your work
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time, you will notice that it takes a few days to adapt.
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01:24:42.440
You'll notice a lot of shifting from side to side.
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01:24:44.880
Definitely want to wear comfortable shoes.
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01:24:46.280
Some people do this on a wooden floor.
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01:24:48.080
Other people feel uncomfortable unless they're on carpet.
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01:24:50.240
You have to figure out what works for you,
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but it can take a little bit of time to adapt.
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I have to say after now about 10 years of working
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at a sit-stand desk,
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I find I can't sit for too long before I want to stand.
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01:25:00.760
And my standing bouts can be anywhere
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from 30 minutes to two hours,
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01:25:04.620
although two hours would be a little bit long.
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01:25:06.000
And then I catch myself kind of leaning on the desk
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01:25:07.880
off to the side.
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01:25:08.920
So again, the idea is to stand,
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but not be leaning on the desk.
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01:25:13.040
Obviously, if you're typing or you're writing,
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01:25:14.440
there'll be some leaning involved,
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01:25:15.700
but that's what the literature support.
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There is also a literature on whether or not
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physical movement under your desk, meaning treadmilling,
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01:25:23.740
or in fact, there are now bicycles
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01:25:26.680
that allow people to pedal.
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01:25:28.260
It's kind of a unicycle like thing,
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01:25:30.020
although not a unicycle under the desk,
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01:25:32.300
can be beneficial for workplace performance.
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01:25:34.840
So let's take a look at what those data say.
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The study that I'm referring to has a first author,
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01:25:39.280
Frodsham, F-R-O-D-S-H-A-M, Frodsham et al.
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01:25:44.040
This is a research article published in PLOS One.
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01:25:48.280
And the title of the article is,
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01:25:50.120
Does Type of Active Workstation Matter?
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01:25:52.480
A Randomized Comparison of Cognitive
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01:25:54.520
and Typing Performance Between Rest, Cycling,
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01:25:57.060
and Treadmill Active Workstations.
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01:25:59.120
It's amazing that people do this science.
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01:26:00.380
I think it's great.
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01:26:01.720
Where else would we get peer reviewed data
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01:26:04.080
on these types of questions?
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01:26:05.920
First things first, there were no significant differences
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between cycling or treadmill workstations
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01:26:11.120
on any cognitive or typing outcomes.
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01:26:13.380
So it does not seem to matter whether or not
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01:26:16.260
people are treadmilling under the desk.
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01:26:18.280
So these would be stationary treadmills.
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01:26:20.160
It's like a little conveyor that people are walking on,
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01:26:22.800
sometimes very slowly.
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01:26:23.760
I'm guessing some people walk more quickly.
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01:26:25.520
The New Yorkers probably treadmill quicker.
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01:26:27.560
The Californians probably treadmill a little slower.
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I'm a Californian, so I can make that quote unquote joke.
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01:26:33.220
But nonetheless, there were no significant differences
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between that and a cycling station where people are sitting
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01:26:38.200
and pedaling as they type away or as they work
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01:26:41.400
or as they're on phone calls, et cetera.
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01:26:43.260
So it really doesn't seem to matter.
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01:26:44.380
So if you're going to embrace these active workstations,
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as they're called, just decide what you would prefer to use.
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01:26:51.240
It doesn't seem to matter in terms of outcomes.
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01:26:53.280
Now, this study involved looking at 137 young adults.
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01:26:58.280
They had multiple sessions where they at first completed
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cognitive and typing tests.
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01:27:06.360
These tests have different names and you're welcome
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01:27:07.960
to look those up if you like, as well as flanker tasks.
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01:27:11.160
So these are tasks of attention and things of that sort.
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01:27:13.840
And then they either engaged in treadmill or cycling.
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And then there was a comparison and the statistics were run.
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And basically what they found was there was a statistically
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significant improvement in attention and cognitive control
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scores during any kind of active session,
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01:27:29.560
as opposed to just a mere seated session.
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01:27:32.400
Okay, so they compared seated to cycling to treadmilling.
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01:27:36.260
However, verbal memory scores actually got worse
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during active sessions.
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01:27:41.680
So I'll repeat that.
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Treadmilling or the cycling workstations improved attention
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01:27:47.800
and cognitive control scores as compared to people
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01:27:50.560
that were just seated and working.
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01:27:52.600
However, verbal memory scores got worse
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01:27:55.520
during the active sessions.
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01:27:56.600
And again, just to repeat, there was no difference
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between cycling and treadmill workstations.
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So this is interesting.
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I suggest that as the authors say that active workstations,
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whether walking or cycling are not only useful
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to improve caloric output and physical activity,
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circulation, and so on, but particularly when completing
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tasks like cognitive tasks or tasks that require focus
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01:28:16.520
that do not require verbal memory recall.
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Now, why verbal memory recall was negatively impacted,
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we don't know.
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Could be because people were breathing a little bit harder.
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It could be that there's something about walking
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and talking that seems incompatible in the nervous system,
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although I'm not aware of that.
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I know a number of people who can walk
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and talk at the same time.
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But if you are going to explore these treadmills
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or you're going to explore these cycling stations,
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you probably wouldn't want to do that for highly verbal
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work, maybe more for mathematical work or for analytic work
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01:28:46.360
or even creative work, but anything that involves
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very precise or detailed verbal recall,
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sitting or standing seems to be the better option.
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And if you're wondering why cycling or treadmilling
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would enhance various aspects of cognition,
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we can speculate.
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I've talked before about this,
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but anytime we are generating forward movement
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through our own actions, our own efforts,
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01:29:12.780
typically if we are outside, we're not on a treadmill
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or we're on a bicycle or we're running
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01:29:17.100
or even on a motorcycle or in a car,
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we have what's called optic flow.
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And that optic flow is known to quiet certain areas
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of the brain that are associated with vigilance
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and indeed fear.
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01:29:27.920
This is the basis of things like EMDR,
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01:29:30.660
eye movement to sensitization reprocessing.
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01:29:33.300
However, the mere act of engaging what are called
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our central pattern generators,
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the neurons in our brainstem and in our spinal cord
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that engage repetitive movements also can reduce
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some of the areas of the brain that are associated
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with anxiety and vigilance.
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So one, pure speculation,
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but nonetheless grounded speculation would be that
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treadmilling or cycling at a desk would reduce anxiety
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that would allow performance to improve.
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The other, what I think is more likely explanation
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is that anytime we are in ambulation,
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we recruit the release of neuromodulators
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like epinephrine, dopamine, and things of that sort
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that further increase overall levels of alertness.
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I think that's the more likely explanation
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because it's hard to imagine how just a reduction
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in anxiety could lead to these improvements in cognition
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in a direct way.
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Whereas the subjects in the study I just mentioned
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on average experienced an increase in cognitive performance
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merely by movement, okay?
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And this does not include any optic flow
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because it's stationary, the treadmill
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or the cycle is stationary.
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And so we can rule out that optic flow.
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And that points to the idea that when we are in movement,
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we recruit neuromodulators associated
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with the so-called reticular activating system,
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the striatal system and so forth that would place the brain
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into some pattern, we don't know,
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we only can speculate some pattern,
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perhaps it's gamma waves or some other wave pattern
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that would engage heightened levels of focus and attention.
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Nonetheless, treadmilling, cycling at a desk
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does improve cognition.
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So we've been discussing workspace optimization
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with the understanding that you're not always going to work
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in the same place every day.
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What I've tried to do is give you a set
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of high potency tools that can improve your focus
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and cognition and to place that within a framework
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for particular kinds of work.
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Let's just review some of the basic elements
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of what we've covered today.
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First of all, in the first part of your day,
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that zero to nine hours after waking,
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you want bright lights, especially overhead lights,
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as bright as you can keep them
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without feeling uncomfortable
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or certainly not without feeling any pain in your eyes
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or elsewhere in your body.
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Bright lights make for the maximum state of alertness.
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In addition, try and place whatever it is
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that you're focusing on directly in front of you,
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but not have it extend too far out
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to either side of your eyes.
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Try and generate a fairly restricted visual window,
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as we call it.
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And if you can, try and place whatever it is
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you're focusing on at least at nose level or above.
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It might take some engineering or some ingenuity
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and creativity in order to figure out how to do that,
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but that's going to be most beneficial.
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Try and avoid reclining, try and avoid sitting,
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try and stand for at least half of your workday.
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That's a good goal.
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And it may take some time to work up to that goal.
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In addition, if you're going to use sound as a stimulus
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for increasing focus and alertness,
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try and avoid exposure to white noise,
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pink noise or brown noise for extended periods of time
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for more than an hour or so.
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That might actually be damaging to the auditory system.
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And at the very least is kind of stressful,
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even though you might not notice it,
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it's kind of a background level of anxiety and stress
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that is not going to serve you well.
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Rather, if you're going to pursue
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particular types of sound frequencies,
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consider using 40 Hertz binaural beats, not monaural beats,
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but 40 Hertz binaural beats
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done during a particular work bout
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or for 30 minutes prior to that work bout.
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I would not rely on binaural beats all the time.
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Every day I think that could cause them
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to lose their potency
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just because of the way the auditory system attenuates.
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And actually you've experienced that attenuation.
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The mere fact that you can go into an environment
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where there's an air conditioner blowing,
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blowing, blowing, and then it stops
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and you feel that relaxation,
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but you weren't thinking about the air conditioner before,
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tells you that your auditory system
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had kind of attenuated to it
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and yet it was still impacting your system.
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You were sensing it, we would say, but not perceiving it.
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There are other things that you can do
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to improve your workspace optimization,
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such as standing for half the day, as I mentioned before,
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but if you're interested in this
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or you feel like it suits you,
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to treadmill, find a stationary treadmill
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that you can walk on.
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I've never tried this before.
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Maybe after this episode,
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given what I've read in the peer-reviewed research,
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and it's pretty compelling,
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that treadmilling seems like an interesting way
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to increase alertness and cognitive performance.
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I'm not sure that I would do the cycling method
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because I can't imagine just cycling and typing
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at the same time.
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That sort of feels like I actually can do
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the rub your tummy, top of your head kind of thing,
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but it still feels like a little bit
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of a sort of a cognitive motor collision for me
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for whatever reason, but that's just my bias.
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I do know how to ride a bicycle,
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but anyway, you pick your preference.
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Some other things that you could do
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in order to improve your workplace performance
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would be to consider the cathedral effect.
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If you're going to do analytic work
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for any part of the day, phase one or phase two,
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as I described them, but really in any time of day,
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that detailed analytic work
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for which there is a correct answer,
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01:34:23.260
learning scales of music, learning mathematics,
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trying to figure out the solution to a problem
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where there is indeed a solution.
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It could be an interpersonal problem as well.
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Then try and get into an environment
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with a relatively low ceiling.
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If you don't have access to a low ceiling environment,
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you might consider using a brimmed hat or even a hoodie,
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or even just facing down,
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or even putting your hand above your eyes,
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as you will, at the level of your eyebrows.
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In other words, lower the ceiling.
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That's the basis of the cathedral effects
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on analytic performance.
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In contrast, if you're interested in doing brainstorming,
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creative work, you're writing new things,
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you're creating new things of any kind, artwork,
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consider getting into a high ceiling
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or no ceiling environment,
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01:35:04.900
or if you're wearing a brimmed hat
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or you're wearing a hoodie, maybe peel that back.
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01:35:08.920
Again, the data within the peer-reviewed literature
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are there to support these sorts of practices.
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And if you'd like to start layering these protocols,
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by all means, please do that.
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There's no reason why you couldn't do one
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or just two of these protocols.
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There's no reason why, for instance,
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you couldn't use binaural beats
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and try and get into a low ceiling environment
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to do detailed work a couple of times a week,
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but you could also employ all of these.
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Now, of course, there are an enormous number
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of other things that you can do
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to improve work performance and productivity.
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And I've talked about those in previous episodes,
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in particular, in the episode on focus
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and the episode on motivation.
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There are supplements you can take
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that can increase dopamine, for instance.
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01:35:48.220
There are tools that you can use to increase your focus.
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01:35:51.620
For instance, focusing your visual attention
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on one location for 30 to 60 seconds
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01:35:56.700
prior to entering a focused work bout.
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01:35:58.740
This has been shown again and again
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through work from Emily Balsettis at NYU.
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01:36:03.200
In the episode on focus, I cited a number of studies
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where this has actually been tested and deployed
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in various schools, having kids do a focus task
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where they look at a particular visual target
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01:36:12.660
for 30 to 60 seconds, then doing some mathematics
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and seeing pretty impressive improvement
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01:36:17.140
in focus and attention,
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01:36:18.340
even in people that have attention deficit
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hyperactivity disorder and so on.
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01:36:22.780
So there's no reason why you can't and shouldn't combine
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the sort of practical workspace optimization solutions
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that we talked about today
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with the kind of neural optimization solutions
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01:36:33.540
that we talked about in the episode on focus
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and the episode on ADHD and the episode on motivation.
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01:36:38.680
By all means, layer those together.
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That's how you're going to achieve the optimal focus bouts.
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That's how you're going to achieve
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the optimal creativity bouts.
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01:36:47.540
I do want to acknowledge again,
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the fact that I realize people are showing up
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to this challenge of workspace optimization
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01:36:54.020
with different budgets, with different constraints.
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01:36:55.900
Some people have kids at homes.
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There are a lot of interruptions.
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01:36:58.500
Some people do not, nonetheless,
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I hope that the information I was able to provide today
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will allow you to make subtle
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or maybe even drastic rearrangements
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in your workspace environment.
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There's one other point related to that
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that I did not cover and that I'd like to cover just briefly
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which is that there's nothing to say
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that you have to always work
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01:37:17.540
in the same location all the time.
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01:37:19.860
You can move from house to cafe.
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01:37:21.700
If that works for you, you can move from office to home.
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01:37:24.380
You can also move from different locations within your home.
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01:37:27.360
I have a brief anecdote about this.
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I used to attend a lot of scientific meetings
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when a lot of scientific meetings were in person
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and there were always a few individuals
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that seemed to stay engaged
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throughout these very long meetings.
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We're talking seven, eight hour days,
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sometimes evening sessions,
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and sometimes these meetings would go on
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for four or five or even six days.
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These were long meetings
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and the quality of talks varied tremendously.
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And I always noticed the individuals
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that managed to stay engaged and awake
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for the entire meeting.
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And I noticed that people
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that could maintain high levels of alertness
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in this one conference room had a habit
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of moving to a different seat after each session,
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sometimes even between talks.
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01:38:09.180
And I actually discussed this
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with one of my colleagues who was doing this.
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I said, is this conscious?
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Are you always moving from place to place?
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And they said, yeah, if I just stay in one place
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and I just look from this one particular visual angle
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at the screen, I find after one or two talks,
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regardless of how interesting the talks are,
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01:38:23.140
that I start to kind of drift, my mind isn't as engaged
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and indeed sometimes can fall asleep.
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01:38:27.460
And so I started this practice of moving from space to space
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or I should say seat to seat within an auditorium
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and it works quite well.
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And I think it works quite well because again,
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of the relationship between our visual system driving
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the majority of our cognition, right?
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01:38:41.300
Our visual system drives our thinking
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01:38:42.780
and that novel visual environments
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01:38:45.920
are going to lend themselves
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01:38:47.020
to heightened levels of alertness.
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01:38:49.300
You don't want things to be so novel and scary
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or threatening or anxiety provoking or loud
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that they draw your attention away from your work.
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01:38:55.740
But I think this is part of the reason why turning on music
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01:38:58.540
or moving to an office or a cafe or an outdoor environment
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01:39:02.340
from an indoor environment or vice versa,
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maybe even within a single day,
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can bring about more heightened levels of productivity.
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I'd also like to acknowledge that what I covered today
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is most certainly not exhaustive for all the types
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of workspace optimization tools that one could create.
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For that reason, I'd love for you to suggest
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any of your workspace optimization tools
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01:39:23.360
that you found useful.
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01:39:24.500
Please put those in the comment section on YouTube.
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That would be the best place
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then other people can see them.
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Also read through those and perhaps in a future episode,
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I'll call about some of the ones that I've tried
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on the basis of your suggestions.
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We talk about supplements for focus, for sleep,
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Once again, thank you for joining me for this discussion
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about the science and peer-reviewed literature
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on workspace optimization.
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I hope some, if not all of the tools
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will be beneficial for you.
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And as always, thank you for your interest in science.
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And as always, thank you for your interest in science.