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The Science of Setting & Achieving Goals | Huberman Lab Podcast #55



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Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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where we discuss science and science-based tools
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for everyday life.
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I'm Andrew Huberman,
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and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology
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at Stanford School of Medicine.
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Today, we're talking all about goals
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and the science of goal setting and achieving your goals.
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There's a tremendous amount of information on the internet
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and in books and so forth about how to set goals
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and assess your progress towards goals
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and update your goals and so forth.
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In fact, there are so many programs out there
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that include so many different acronyms
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that it can be a little bit overwhelming.
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Today's conversation about goals
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is going to be quite a bit different.
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Indeed, we are going to talk about setting goals.
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We are also going to talk about
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how to assess progress towards goals,
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and we are going to talk about goal execution.
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However, we're going to do all of this
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in the context of neuroscience,
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because it turns out that there are not hundreds
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or dozens or even several neural circuits in your brain
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that control goal setting and movement toward your goals.
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There is one.
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And while it includes many different brain areas,
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that one circuit is the same circuit
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that's responsible for pursuing all goals.
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And it relates to some very basic neurochemical mechanisms
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that are understood.
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So while there's a wealth of information out there
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about goals and goal setting and goal achievement
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and so forth, there's comparatively little information
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that's been available to the public
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about the neuroscience of goal setting and goal achievement.
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So that's what we're going to focus on today.
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I promise that we're going to get into the neuroscience.
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We're going to touch on a little bit of the psychology
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and how the neuroscience relates to what's known
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in the psychology literature.
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And we are going to establish several,
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in fact, four specific protocols
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that you can use for goal setting, goal assessment,
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and goal execution in an ongoing basis,
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regardless of what your personal goals happen to be.
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Before we dive into our conversation about goals
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and goal setting and goal achievement,
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I'd like to highlight some recent scientific findings
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that I think are going to be interesting and actionable
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for many of you out there.
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In earlier podcasts, we talked about neuroplasticity,
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which is the brain's ability to change
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in response to experience.
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In fact, neuroplasticity underlies all forms of learning,
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whether or not it's language learning or learning music
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or math or a physical skill,
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all forms of learning involve the reorganization
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of connections in the nervous system,
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the brain and spinal cord and body.
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One of the key principles of neuroplasticity
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is this notion of making errors
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as a good thing toward neuroplasticity.
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It's a little bit counterintuitive,
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but what the scientific literature tells us
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is that whenever we're trying to learn something new,
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if we make an error, we know it feels frustrating,
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but that state of frustration
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actually cues up particular brain areas
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to be more alert so that on subsequent attempts
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to learn that thing, we have a heightened level of focus
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and a higher probability of learning the new skill,
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regardless of what that skill is.
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And I've talked about this before in various episodes
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as encouraging people to embrace errors or pursue errors,
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not as their own end goal, but errors as an entry point
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for making the brain more plastic.
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And if you think about it, it really makes sense.
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Why would the brain change at all
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if it's performing everything perfectly?
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When you make errors, well, in the immediate seconds
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and minutes after those errors,
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you are in a better position to learn.
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A common question I get, however,
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is what should be the rate of errors,
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which is really just a way of saying
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how hard should the given task be
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that you're trying to learn or perform?
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And it turns out there's an answer.
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There's a recent paper that was published
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in a great journal, Nature Communications.
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This is a paper, a last author, Jonathan Cohen,
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and the paper is entitled the 85% Rule for Optimal Learning.
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This paper we will make available by a link
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in the show note captions.
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But basically what this paper shows
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is that when trying to learn something new,
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you want to make the difficulty
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of what you're trying to learn
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such that you're getting things right about 85% of the time,
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that you're making errors about 15% of the time.
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And the reason I like this paper
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is it really points specifically
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to some protocols that we can implement
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because people always say, okay, you want to set a high goal.
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You want to try and achieve something that's really lofty,
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but you don't want to make the goal so lofty
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that you don't make any progress at all.
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Other people say you really want to start
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with really small goals
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and make things very, very incremental,
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only set out to do things that you know you can accomplish
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and that will feed back on your self-esteem
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and all these positive feedback loops.
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And then, you know, layer by layer, layer by layer,
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you'll eventually get where you want to go.
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Well, it turns out that neither is true.
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You need to set the level of difficulty
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such that you're making errors about 15% of the time.
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And I want to emphasize about 15% of the time
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because there's no way to configure protocols
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for sport or language or math or anything else
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where you're going to have exactly 15% of errors.
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So anyway, this paper, the 85% rule for optimal learning,
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again, we will supply the link,
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but it really points to the idea
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of making things pretty hard,
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but not so hard that you're failing every attempt
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or even half of the attempts.
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Failing about 15% of the time seems optimal for learning.
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Hopefully, that information will be useful
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to any of you that are trying to learn something.
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Hopefully, it will also be useful to those of you
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that are teaching kids or other adults.
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If you're teaching,
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keep in mind that you want to keep the students reaching
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for higher and higher levels of proficiency
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in whatever that is that you're teaching
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and that 15% of the time they should be failing.
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If it gets to 20%, that's probably okay.
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If they start failing about half the time,
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then probably what they're trying to learn
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is too difficult for them at that point.
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Now, of course, this is going to be controlled
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by all sorts of external factors,
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like whether or not they slept well the night before,
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whether or not you slept well the night before
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and you're being clear in your instructions
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to them, et cetera.
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But I think the 15% rule, as we may call it,
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is a good metric to aim for
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and it can serve both students and teachers.
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In other words, it can serve both those teaching
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and those that are learning.
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Before we begin, I'd like to emphasize that this podcast
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is separate from my teaching and research roles at Stanford.
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It is, however, part of my desire and effort
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to bring zero cost to consumer information about science
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and science-related tools to the general public.
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and that's what causes them to fire action potentials,
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simply by increasing my salt intake,
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something that's really counterintuitive
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You may have experienced this.
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If you ever put on a pair of sunglasses
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that aren't so great, you move from a really bright area
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into a dimly lit area, and you have
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Let's talk about the science, and in particular,
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the biology and neuroscience of setting and achieving goals.
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Setting and achieving goals
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is not a uniquely human endeavor.
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Other animals set and attempt to achieve goals.
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A honeybee attempts to collect honey
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and bring it back to the hive.
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A herbivore will go out and forage for plants,
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and will also have a need to reproduce
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at some point in its life.
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So we'll need to find a mate and maybe even raise the young,
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depending on what species that is.
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Predators will have to hunt and kill and eat their food,
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and they have to avoid getting injured in that process.
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They also have to raise young, et cetera.
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So humans are among the other animals,
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or we could say the animals are among us,
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in the need to set goals
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and to make efforts to achieve those goals.
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Now, why do I emphasize this commonality of process?
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The reason I emphasize this commonality of process
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is that it turns out that there is one basic system
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by which all animals, including humans,
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set and attempt to achieve goals.
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Now, humans are unique in our ability
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to orient our mind toward immediate goals,
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moderately termed goals,
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meaning things that might exist on the scale of a week
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or a month or even a year,
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and very long-term goals, like a lifetime goal,
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or a goal that lasts a decade
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or it takes a decade to achieve.
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That's what makes us unique.
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And of course, we don't have access to the mindset
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or the thinking or the emotions of other animals,
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but what we do know is that common neural circuits,
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meaning brain areas that are present in animal species
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and in humans,
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are responsible for orienting our thinking
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and our action toward particular goals.
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Another thing that's really unique about the human brain
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is that we are able to have multiple goals
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interacting at once.
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So for instance, we probably all have fitness goals,
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goals in relationships of different kinds,
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friendships and romantic partnerships,
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as well as maybe scholastic goals.
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Maybe you're in school,
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you're pursuing some kind of learning
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outside of the school environment,
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and or you have business goals or financial goals.
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We are able to have multiple goals at once.
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And other animals do this,
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but humans are unique in the ability
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to juggle a lot of goals.
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And actually one of the major challenges in pursuing goals
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is that goal pursuit often interacts.
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Meaning if you can spend 100% of your time
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chasing one particular goal,
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that might be very effective for that goal,
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but then we tend to fall back on some of our other goals.
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You can imagine how this plays out.
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If you're working very, very hard,
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you're solely focused on business,
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often your health will suffer.
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If you're solely focused on your health,
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often other things will suffer.
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And so we have to juggle both our goal setting
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and our goal pursuits.
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And today we're going to talk about
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a number of different ways to work with
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what could very well be called these interleaving goals
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by focusing on a common practice
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or common set of mechanisms
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that are present in all aspects of goal seeking.
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What is that process?
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Well, it turns out it's a neural circuit.
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A neural circuit is simply a collection of brain areas
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that when active in a particular sequence,
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give rise to a particular behavior or perception.
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So for instance, when you feel happy,
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it's not because you have a brain area
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that's the happy brain area that is electrically active,
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rather it's going to involve numerous brain areas
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being active in concert and to different degrees,
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in the same way that the keys on a piano together
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played in the appropriate sequence
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represent a particular song.
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You would never say that one key on the piano
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represents that song, but that key is necessary.
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Similarly in the brain,
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we can say that a brain area might be necessary,
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but not sufficient to give us a particular experience
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or generate a particular behavior.
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So when we think about goal seeking
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and the pursuit of goals of any kind in the brain,
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it doesn't matter what the goal is,
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it involves a common set of neural circuits.
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And the neural circuit that I'd like to orient us
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toward today, and we will return to it a few times,
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involves learning a couple of names,
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but you don't have to worry so much about memorizing these,
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just more important is to understand the logic
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of how it's put together.
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And I will explain that and make it very clear.
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If you want to learn the names, that's great.
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One of the brain areas is the so-called amygdala.
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The amygdala is most often associated with fear.
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So you might say, wow, how is that involved
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in goal-directed behavior?
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Well, a lot of our goal-directed behavior
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is to avoid punishments,
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including things like embarrassment or financial ruin
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or things of that sort.
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And so the amygdala and some sense of anxiety or fear
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is actually built in to the circuits
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that generate goal seeking
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and our motivation to pursue goals.
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The other areas are the so-called ventral striatum.
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The striatum is part of what's called the basal ganglia.
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The basal ganglia is a neural circuit
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that can very simply be described as a neural circuit
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that helps us generate go,
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meaning the initiation of action and no go,
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the prevention of action type scenarios.
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Let me make that even simpler.
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The ventral striatum is part of this thing
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called the basal ganglia.
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The basal ganglia has sort of two circuits within it.
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One circuit is involved in getting us to do things.
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Like I'm going to get up tomorrow
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and I'm going to run five miles first thing in the morning.
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I don't know if I'm actually going to do that,
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but I'm just using that as an example.
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Another circuit within the basal ganglia
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is a no-go circuit.
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It's the one that says,
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no, I'm not going to go for the second cookie
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or the third cookie.
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I'm not going to eat that.
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And then the go circuit would be the one
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that's responsible for instead eating something else.
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Okay, so we have go and no-go circuits
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within the basal ganglia.
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So we've got amygdala.
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So think of as kind of fear and anxiety and avoidance.
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We've got the basal ganglia,
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which are for initiating action and preventing action.
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And then there is the so-called cortex.
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The cortex is the outer shell of the brain
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and there are two sub regions of the cortex
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that are involved in goal-directed behavior.
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One is the lateral prefrontal cortex.
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Prefrontal cortex is involved
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in so-called executive function, things like planning,
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thinking about things under different timescales.
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So not just what we want in the immediate term,
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but what we might want tomorrow or the next day
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and how our actions currently
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are going to relate to the future.
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And the so-called orbitofrontal cortex.
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Orbitofrontal cortex has a large number of functions,
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but one of the key functions of the orbitofrontal cortex,
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it's involved in meshing some emotionality
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with our current state of progress
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and comparing that emotionality to where it might be
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when we are closer to a goal, okay?
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So there are basically four areas, one involved in anxiety,
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one involved in emotion, one involved in planning
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and another involved in this go, no-go action.
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So that's a bunch of detail,
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but if I wanted to make it really simple for everyone,
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I would say there are four areas.
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One is an area associated with anxiety and fear,
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it's the amygdala.
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The second is involved in action and inaction.
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Remember go and no-go, so that's the basal ganglia.
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The other one is involved in planning and thinking
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across different timescales.
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So that's lateral prefrontal cortex.
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And then the fourth one is involved in emotionality,
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where we sit emotionally at present
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compared to where we think we will be emotionally
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when we reach some particular goal,
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and that's the orbitofrontal cortex, okay?
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Again, you don't need to know all those names.
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You don't need to know all the details.
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Just understand that those different elements are involved
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in the decision-making processes
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that lead us toward particular goals
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and have us update our goal seeking, et cetera.
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One key thing is it doesn't matter what the goal is,
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the same circuits are involved.
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So whether or not you're trying to build a company
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that's a billion dollar company that's going to go public,
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or you're thinking about planning a crafts day at home
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with the kids or for yourself,
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or you're thinking about what movie to go see,
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goals, goal seeking and assessing progress towards goals
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all involve the exact same neural circuits.
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It's really remarkable.
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It's also very convenient for our discussion today.
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What's going on in these circuits can basically be boiled
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down to two particular things.
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The first is value information,
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trying to understand whether or not
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something is really worth pursuing or not, okay?
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So placing a value on a particular goal.
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The other component of this neural circuit
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is associated with action,
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which actions to take and which actions not to take
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given the value of a particular goal
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in a given moment's time.
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I want to say that again.
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The other component of the circuit is involved in action,
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whether or not you should act or should not act
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based on your assessment of the value of a goal
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at a particular moment in time.
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And you're going to hear me say
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over and over again in this episode,
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the value information about a goal is so key.
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Here's why.
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There is basically one neurotransmitter
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or rather neuromodulator system
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that governs our goal setting, goal assessment
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and goal pursuit.
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And that is the neuromodulator dopamine.
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Dopamine is the common currency
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by which we assess our progress
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toward particular things of particular value.
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In fact, dopamine is the way that we assess value
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of our pursuits.
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And so as we take a moment and we shift our attention
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to the psychology of goal setting,
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the things that you've probably heard a bit more about,
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about what sorts of goals are good
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and how to set goals and how to categorize goals,
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I want you to think about how dopamine
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could possibly be involved in these different processes.
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And the reason I want you to do this
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is that all of the psychology of goal setting
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and goal pursuit is wonderful
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because it places things into different categories.
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It allows us to parse our thinking
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and organize our thinking, but what's not often seen,
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in fact, I'm not aware of any literature out there,
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scientific or literature in the popular press
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or in popular books,
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is an understanding of how the underlying neurobiology
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can be layered on top of the psychology of goal setting
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to allow us to set and pursue our goals more effectively.
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And that's what we're going to do today.
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We are eventually going to arrive
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at a set of four practices
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that when performed on a regular basis
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will allow you to assess what is the value
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of this next particular action step?
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How worthwhile is it to do behavior A versus behavior B
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in order to achieve a particular goal?
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If any of this is vague now,
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I'm going to make it all very clear for you.
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You're going to come away
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with some very specific lists of takeaways
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that you can put down on paper if you like,
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and that you can use to set goals, assess goals,
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and execute goals more effectively
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using the neuroscience of the circuits I just described
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and an understanding of the neuromodulator dopamine.
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Let's take a look at the psychology
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of goal setting and goal pursuit.
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This is an enormous literature,
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meaning there are tens of thousands,
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if not hundreds of thousands of scientific papers
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about the topic of goal setting and goal pursuit.
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There's also a lot of information on the internet
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about goal pursuit.
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And in looking over this information,
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one comes to appreciate pretty quickly
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that acronyms are a big thing.
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Acronyms seem to dominate the area of goal setting,
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especially as it relates to things in the business sector,
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but also in the relationship sector.
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Now, acronyms are wonderful.
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They allow us to organize our thinking into lists
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and conceptually, they can be very useful.
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But as I moved through this literature,
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I started to see some redundant themes.
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And so what I've attempted to do
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is distill out the redundant themes
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that regardless of the person teaching
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or the scientific laboratory
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that happened to come up with these acronyms,
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that they boil down to some common features.
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So let's talk about that literature.
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And I think we'll come away with an understanding
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of some basic elements that are common to all goals.
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Now, the modern science or the modern psychological science
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of trying to understand goal setting and pursuit
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actually dates back to the 1930s.
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And we have to be sure that members of our species
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were focused on goal setting and goal pursuit
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long before the scientific literature emerged.
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It just stands to reason that since the human brain
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hasn't evolved that much,
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we don't think in the last 10,000 years
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that people would be thinking about these things.
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They just didn't get them down into papers
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that we could evaluate on PubMed and so forth.
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But now we can, so we can look at those papers.
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And what you find is that acronyms abound
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in the psychology literature
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about goal setting and goal pursuit.
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So for instance, you'll hear about
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the work of Locke and Small, for instance,
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these are the last names of various researchers,
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the so-called ABC method,
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that a goal should be achievable,
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it should be believable, and that the person be committed.
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It's sort of obvious once you hear it, but the ABC method.
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Then people came along and expanded on that.
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They talk about the so-called SMART method,
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SMART being another acronym, that it be specific,
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that the goal be measurable, that the goal be attainable,
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that the goal be realistic, and that it be time-bound,
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meaning that you set a certain period of time
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in which a given goal should be performed.
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And then people come along and modify these.
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This is the way that psychology research is done.
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I'm not laughing at it.
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I'm just chuckling because it seems like the acronyms
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get longer and longer and longer.
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They developed the SMART-er approach,
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adding an ER to the acronym SMART, S-M-A-R-T-E-R.
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They added ethical and rewarding,
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which fortunately are good things, I believe,
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ethical and rewarding.
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What does all this mean?
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Well, what it means is that any kind of goal pursuit,
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any kind of goal setting really has to involve
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a number of different states and neural circuits
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in the brain and body.
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At least that's how I view this literature.
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Why would I do that?
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Well, let's think about the very modern version
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of the kind of acronyms that I talked about a moment ago,
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dating back to the 1930s and extending into the 1990s.
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You can find beautiful talks online from people
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who have worked with some of the biggest companies
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and greatest high performers out there
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to achieve incredible things.
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And they will talk about generating
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a sort of objective mindset for goal setting.
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They'll talk about goals needing to be significant.
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That has to be a big goal, that it has to be concrete.
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So you have to be able to describe what the goal is.
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It has to be action oriented.
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It has to be inspirational, has to be time bound.
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You have to have reasonable, realistic, verifiable measures.
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You have to constantly up the ante.
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If it's starting to sound repetitive,
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it's because it is repetitive.
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There are basically only three or four elements
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to goal setting and goal pursuit.
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Basically an individual or set of individuals
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has to identify a specific thing
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that they're going to attain.
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In some communities, they talk about knowing
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what right looks like, meaning being able
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to define a very specific goal.
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You can't just say, I want to be a champion athlete.
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You have to say what sport
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and you have to understand what the path to that is.
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So any big goal, of course,
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is broken up into a series of smaller goals,
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but the whole thing starts
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with thinking about the end in mind.
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And in a few minutes, we will talk about
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whether or not visualization of the end in mind
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is actually beneficial or detrimental to achieving goals.
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There's actually great neuroscience
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and psychology data on that now.
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So I mentioned all these acronyms,
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not as an attempt to disparage them.
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I think they're wonderful.
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And I mentioned all that psychology literature,
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not in an attempt to disparage it,
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but rather to just say that goal setting is the first step.
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Assessment of whether or not one is making progress
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towards those goals is a second but necessary step.
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And then there's the business of goal execution.
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And that brings us back to the neural circuit components.
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Remember, this neural circuit involving
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those four things earlier,
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the amygdala striatum over frontal cortex
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and the prefrontal cortex,
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they work together to divide the whole process,
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as I mentioned before, into two general categories.
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The first is assessing value,
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knowing whether or not where one is at one given moment
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relates to some external thing.
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Are things going well or are things going poorly?
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And knowing how to gauge that accurately.
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And then action steps, goes and no goes,
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do more of this, do less of that,
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do this, don't do that, et cetera.
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So now we are going to shift back to the neuroscience
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and we're going to talk about the practical applications
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of the information I just described,
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because I've given you a lot of kind of academic information.
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And as we do this, I'd like you to keep in mind,
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what are some things that you've either accomplished
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or that you'd like to accomplish going forward?
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Because as we do this,
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we can build toward a set of protocols that at the end,
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you'll be able to very quickly plug in your particular goals
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and a route to those particular goals
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that's grounded in the science
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and I think are going to be very effective
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in allowing you to reach those goals more quickly
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and with indeed less effort.
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In fact, let's start with a tool now,
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because as we move through all this information,
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I want to make sure that people are coming away
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with some practical things that they can implement
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and indeed some things that you can even do
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during the course of listening to or watching this podcast.
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The first thing to do is to understand the difference
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between peripersonal space and extra personal space.
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Peripersonal space is all the space literally
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that's within inside your body, the surface of your skin
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and in your immediate environment.
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Peripersonal space is a key concept in neuroscience
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because you have particular neural circuits
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and particular chemicals that are geared toward
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what are called consummatory behaviors,
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meaning using things and consuming things
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and enjoying things that are in your immediate
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peripersonal space.
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Let me give you an example of this for myself
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just to make it concrete.
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You can imagine similar examples for yourself right now.
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Within my current peripersonal space is my interoception,
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my understanding or perception of my internal body.
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So how quickly I'm breathing, my heart rate,
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the feelings on the surface of my skin, et cetera.
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But also within the confines of my peripersonal space
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is this coffee mug that if you're listening to this,
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you can't see this, but I'm lifting up a coffee mug,
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I'm going to take a sip of coffee.
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That's a consummatory behavior.
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I have the coffee.
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I don't have to do much or motivate much to get it.
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I have other things here, pens and computer, et cetera.
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Okay, so things in your peripersonal space
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and consuming those things is generally governed
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by a set of neurochemicals that center around
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the neuromodulator serotonin.
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And there are a few others as well,
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things like oxytocin, but mainly serotonin.
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Contrast that with the so-called extra personal space.
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Extra personal space is everything beyond
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the confines of my reach.
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It would be something in the next room.
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It would be something down the street.
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It will be something at some other location
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in space and time.
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And the neuromodulators and neurochemicals
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that are associated with any kind of thinking about
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anything in the extra personal space
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are distinct from the neurochemicals and neuromodulators
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that are involved in thinking about
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or making actions towards the peripersonal space.
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And the molecule that's most associated with thinking about
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or orienting toward the extra personal space,
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again, things beyond the confines of my skin
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or your skin is dopamine.
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And this is a vitally important concept to understand
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when you're setting goals and seeking goals.
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If we are to be good at goal-seeking,
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if we are to be good at setting goals and assessing goals,
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if we are to achieve our goals,
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we have to be able to toggle back and forth
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between a clear understanding of our peripersonal space,
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what we have and how we feel in the immediate present,
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and our ability to understand what's out there
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in the extra personal space
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and our ability to move into that extra personal space.
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And a simple way to conceive of all this
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is that we evaluate our progress in the peripersonal space.
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We evaluate how we feel about some pursuit,
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even if we haven't initiated that pursuit yet.
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How we feel about a particular goal
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is truly a feeling that we experience in the here and now,
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even though the goal is in the future, okay?
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If we are going to evaluate whether or not
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we made progress today or yesterday or not,
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that's an evaluation of how we feel
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in the immediate peripersonal space.
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However, moving toward any goal
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involves orienting our thinking
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towards the extra personal space.
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And as we go through today's episode,
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I'm going to teach you a technique
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or rather a neuroscience-based tool
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that will allow you to continually transition back and forth
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between the peripersonal space and the extra personal space
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in a way that will allow you to update and evaluate
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and better execute your goal-seeking.
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The whole principle behind this
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is that human beings like other animals
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have to make evaluations about whether or not
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they are on the right track.
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However, the important thing to understand
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is that humans in particular can do this
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over different timescales.
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We don't just pursue food because we are hungry,
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we pursue food, excuse me, for a particular meal
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that we might be having with people tomorrow, right?
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We can modulate the timescale
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in a way that other animals don't.
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That's how we adjust our goal-seeking
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to different timescales.
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And in addition to that,
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humans are exquisitely good at biasing our behavior
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toward particular goals over very long periods of time.
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But there are a lot of mistakes out there.
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In fact, things that are outright wrong in the literature
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and in particular in the internet
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and then the kind of wellness and fitness
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and cognitive fitness space
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that send people down the wrong path.
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And those things we will talk about in a few minutes,
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but things like visualization,
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that visualization and visualization of this big goal
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is the best way to achieve your goals.
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In fact, that's not the case.
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There's a much better approach to doing all this.
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So now I'd like to shift gears
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towards talking about a few of the things
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that most people get badly wrong
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in setting and assessing and executing goals.
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This is based on peer-reviewed research.
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So I think it's very solid.
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I know it is very solid.
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And it runs counter to what many of us have been taught.
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Let's start with a simple one.
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We've all heard that multitasking is bad, okay?
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We hear multitasking is bad.
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It doesn't allow for focus.
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If you want to achieve anything,
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you want to accomplish anything, you should not multitask.
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Well, it turns out that's wrong.
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It turns out that there is a role for multitasking,
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but the multitasking has to be placed at a particular time
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within your goal seeking behavior in order to be effective.
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Really nice studies done at Carnegie Mellon University
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and the Dabish Lab evaluated how long people are able
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to focus in different environments,
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how long they were able to stay concentrated on their work.
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And it turns out that number is exceedingly low.
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It turns out that most people,
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whether or not they're doing computer work
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or whether or not they're doing writing or accounting work
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or anything of that sort can hold their attention
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for about three minutes at a time
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before they shift their attention off.
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That's ridiculously low when you first hear it,
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but that probably reflects a basic state of brain function
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that hearkens back to a time when we were hunter gatherers.
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I doubt that we were maintaining focus solidly
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for hours and hours and hours
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unless we were under some particular threat
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or in some particular crisis.
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Rather, you could imagine that people collected seeds
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and nuts and berries for about three minutes
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and then probably stood up,
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looked around and then kept going, okay?
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Or that they were hunting animals
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or in some sort of pursuit, fishing, et cetera,
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and focused, focused, focused.
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And then every three minutes or so,
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they might've looked up and taken a look at the sky
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or looked around to make sure
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that other people were there or not there, et cetera.
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It all stands to reason that that will be the case.
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Again, the neural circuits haven't evolved much.
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Now, multitasking has been shown
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to have a very interesting physiological signature.
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When we multitask,
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when we jump back and forth between things,
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there is an increase in the level of the neurotransmitter,
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also sometimes called a neuromodulator,
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but basically same thing for sake of this discussion.
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There's an increase in the neurotransmitter epinephrine,
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which is adrenaline.
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And so there are really nice studies now
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pointing to the fact that doing a bit of multitasking
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prior to jumping into some focused goal-directed behavior,
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whether or not it's mental behavior or physical behavior,
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it can actually be useful because it gets us into action.
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So we've all been told that multitasking is terrible.
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But if you, for instance,
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find yourself cleaning up your house
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and also checking your phone and doing a number of things
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right at the point where you should be sitting down to write
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or do some focused work,
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it probably reflects some adaptive mechanism
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where you use action and somewhat varied multitasking action
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in order to generate adrenaline in your system,
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because adrenaline just gets you into action.
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Now that's great,
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but you don't want to multitask
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throughout any kind of goal seeking or goal pursuit behavior
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because what's also very clear,
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and we're going to talk about this in exquisite depth today,
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is that visual focus,
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and in particular contracting your visual window,
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bringing the aperture of what you see to a very fine point
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can absolutely increase your clarity of goal seeking
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and the likelihood that you will pursue your goals.
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I've talked about this a little bit before on the podcast
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as a way of increasing focus for any kind of pursuit.
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I've talked about a practice whereby
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you can literally look at a dot or a line
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placed on a wall or on your computer in front of you
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for 30 to 60 seconds,
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and then moving into some dedicated work
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where you need to focus,
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and indeed just looking at a narrow piece
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of the visual world,
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a small piece of the visual world for some period of time
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and forcing yourself to hold that gaze on that location
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as best you can,
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can increase your level of cognitive attention
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and your ability to focus and stay focused.
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And this is not magic.
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It is the consequence of the fact
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that most of your cognition follows your visual perception.
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For those of you that are low vision or no vision,
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meaning you're blind or you have trouble seeing,
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my lab does a lot of work with people
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who are low vision, no vision.
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They tend to use their auditory system,
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their hearing as a way to anchor their attention
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to particular things, okay?
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But most people out there can see and see pretty well,
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and visual focus is the way to do that.
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Now, earlier we were talking about this notion
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of peripersonal space versus extrapersonal space.
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And I'm just going to seed a little bit
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of the later conversation by saying
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that when we focus on an external point,
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we are in a process of exteroception,
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focus on the extrapersonal space,
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not the peripersonal space.
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So when we focus on something, say a line on the wall
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for 30 to 60 seconds or at our computer for 30 to 60 seconds
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and just look at it and then move into any kind of action,
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whether or not it's work action or physical action,
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we are at its very core,
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we are engaging in this pursuit of extrapersonal space.
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We are placing our focus outside our body
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and therefore we are placing the brain
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into goal pursuit mode.
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Work at NYU, in particular in the laboratory
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of a phenomenal researcher in their psychology department
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by the name of Emily Balcetis, B-A-L-C-E-T-I-S,
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Emily Balcetis has done really nice work on this.
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They've done is they've had people focus
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their visual attention on a goal line of some sort,
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and then to engage in some sort of behavior
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that requires a lot of effort.
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And they've done a lot of different experiments like this,
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but I'll just explain one.
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They always include a control group
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where people have to go through the same physical effort
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or mental effort, but they don't focus their attention
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just on one location.
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The long and short of these studies
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is that when people have to focus their attention
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on one location, like a goal line,
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they are much more effective in reaching those goals
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and they achieve them with the perception
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that they expended less effort.
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I'll give you an example of one particularly nice study
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from the Balcetis lab.
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So this particular study involves physical exercise,
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although, as I mentioned before,
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they've done similar studies looking at cognitive type work.
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And what they did is they had a group of people
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exercise wearing 15 pound ankle weights,
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and they had to basically move a certain distance
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or run a certain distance to reach a goal line.
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One group was focused on the goal line,
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visually focused on the goal line.
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The other group was not told to visually focus
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on the goal line.
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And what they found was that the group
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that focused on the goal line
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was able to achieve reaching that goal
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with 17% less effort, they measured effort,
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and it got there 23% quicker.
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That's a remarkable difference, right?
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So same distance traveled with same workload
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because everyone's wearing the same 15 pound weights
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on their ankles.
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One group is simply looking at the goal line.
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The other group is not told to look at the goal line.
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Simply by looking at the goal line does something
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to the psychology and physiology of these people
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that allows them to move forward with less perceived effort
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and to do it more quickly.
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That's remarkable, right?
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And in this case, they're focused on the goal line,
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but in a few moments, we'll talk about
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how one can use updating of goal lines,
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so incremental goal lines,
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starting with an intermediate goal
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and then extending the goal line further and further.
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But just sit back for a second and think about that.
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Just by changing where a person looks,
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they change their perceived effort
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and their ability to do something more effectively,
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more quickly than a group that is not deliberately focusing
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their visual attention on one location.
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That's incredible.
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And it's so incredible, in fact, you might say,
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well, how could that possibly be?
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Well, it turns out it has a very specific
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underlying physiological reason,
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and that has to do with changes
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in our so-called autonomic nervous system,
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the aspects of our nervous system
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that prepare us for readiness and action,
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or that prepare us for resting and relaxing.
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So what is special about focusing one's visual attention
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at a given location?
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Well, it turns out that we have two branches
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of our visual system.
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So visual information all comes in through our eyes,
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but then it can head down two different pathways.
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One pathway is engaged when our vision
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is brought to a common point,
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what we call a vergence eye movement.
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So if we're focusing very intensely on a given point,
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regardless of how far away from us that point is,
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our visual system engages a certain set of neurons,
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neural circuits, that are involved in resolving fine detail,
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and that can evaluate small changes
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over small periods of time.
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Just think of it as a very detailed camera
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of the visual world, and it tends to be very restricted.
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The other pathway through the visual system
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is a so-called magnocellular pathway,
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and this is a pathway that's involved
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in taking in global information
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about lots of things that are happening around us,
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movement of things to our right,
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movement of things to our left,
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things that are happening down on the ground
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and all around us, and that pathway
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involves a sort of relaxation, if you will,
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of the neural circuits that are associated
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with alertness and attention.
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When you walk down the street
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and you're not thinking about much,
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provided you're not looking at your phone,
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you're not focusing on one location,
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you're more or less in a relaxed state
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compared to when you're looking for a particular sign,
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you're looking for a bus or a train that's coming
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or a particular person,
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and that should inherently make sense.
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When your level of attention and alertness goes up,
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there's sort of a small but perceptible increase
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in your level of arousal.
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It's not really stress necessarily,
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but arousal of alertness.
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And it turns out that the visual system
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accomplishes this increase in alertness
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by communicating with your circulatory system
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and the system that delivers blood and nutrients
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and oxygen to the rest of the tissues in your body.
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So let's talk for a second about what focusing our vision
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on a particular location does,
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because in this study from the Balcetas lab,
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what they found was focusing on a goal line
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allows people to move more effectively toward that goal.
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This is something you can leverage in all aspects
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of all goal pursuits.
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What happens when we focus on a particular location?
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Believe it or not,
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there's an increase in a particular feature
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of our blood pressure.
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Now your body has, of course,
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arteries, veins, and capillaries,
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and your heart pumps blood first to the arteries
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and then to the other components of your vascular system.
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And we have so-called blood pressure, right?
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Blood pressure is just how much the fluid volume
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is pressing on those arteries, veins, and capillaries, right?
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So you can imagine a pipe
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with very little fluid moving through it,
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that's low pressure.
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You have a pipe with a lot of fluid moving through it,
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that's even more pressure.
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You have a pipe with a lot of very viscous,
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meaning very kind of sticky thick stuff moving forward,
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that's even more pressure.
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We have blood pressure,
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and you've probably had your blood pressure measured.
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There's always two numbers, right?
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You have a top number, which is the systolic blood pressure,
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and then there's the bottom number below the line,
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which is the diastolic pressure.
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So the important thing to understand
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is that your blood pressure will rise when your heart beats
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because there's more fluid moving through those pipes
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that are your arteries, your veins, and your capillaries.
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And that top number is called the systole
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or the systolic blood pressure,
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because that's the pressure
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at the time when your heart contracts, okay?
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So the top number,
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which normally if you have a healthy blood pressure
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is somewhere in the range of 90 to 120 millimeters
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of mercury.
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Millimeters of mercury is just the way
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that pressure is measured.
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That top number, your systole,
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your systolic blood pressure
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is what's measured when the heart contracts, okay?
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So that's the amount of pressure when there's a heartbeat
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and it's moving through your vasculature.
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Now, between beats, right?
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The heart beats, but then it relaxes.
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Your blood pressure is going to drop to a lower value, right?
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Because fluid isn't being pumped through the system
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at those moments.
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And that's the bottom value, the diastolic pressure.
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And typically for healthy people,
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that's going to be 60 to 80 millimeters of mercury.
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So you might hear about a normal blood pressure
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being about, again, this is an approximate, 120 over 80.
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What that means is at the point where blood was being pumped
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through your arteries and veins, boom,
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that it's 120 millimeters of mercury.
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But then when the heart relaxes for a second
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before the next beat, then it drops to 80, okay?
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So there's high pressure, low pressure,
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high pressure, low pressure.
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The fluid is being pumped through the system.
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Now, why am I telling you all this?
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Well, it turns out that there are neural circuits
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that link your visual system
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and focusing on a particular point with that top number,
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the systolic blood pressure.
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And when you focus your eyes on a particular location,
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that systolic blood pressure goes up,
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and there are some other systems that are coordinated with
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it in your brain and body that start releasing adrenaline,
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low amounts of adrenaline in most cases,
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and that adrenaline further readies your body for action.
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So bringing our visual focus to a particular location
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does a number of things to the brain
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and the whole system of the body to prepare it,
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to place it into a state of readiness
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that makes us more likely to lean into our goals,
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into action.
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And if we step back and think about this,
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this makes perfect sense.
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The brain and body need to be coordinated.
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We can't just think about a goal.
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In fact, a deer or a lion can't just think about a goal.
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It has to think about a goal
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and then has to feel some sort of activation energy,
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some willingness or desire to move forward
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in pursuit of that goal.
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So imagining a goal has to be coupled
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to the physical pursuit of the goal.
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So our visual system in a beautiful way
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brings together a focus, literally a visual focus
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on a particular point outside us.
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Then it recruits an increase in systolic blood pressure,
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which creates a systemic, a body-wide and brain-wide
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increase in fuel utilization, in oxygen availability,
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in our willingness to move forward as a body,
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as a whole coherent system.
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And then there are also neurotransmitter systems
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like epinephrine, as we will soon see dopamine,
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that get recruited as well
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to place us into a continual mode of action.
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This to me is a remarkable feature of our physiology.
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And it gets right to the point
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of some of the psychological phenomenon
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that we were talking about earlier.
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Let's just recall what some of those are.
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I won't list them all, but you know,
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a goal has to be significant, they say, okay?
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All the psychologists, all the popular stuff online
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says it has to be significant, has to be inspirational,
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and it has to be action-oriented.
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Okay, so let's say you look out into the landscape
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of what's available to you,
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whether or not it's just in your mind,
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or you look at a specific point.
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You say, ah, I want to go to that particular restaurant
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to eat that particular food,
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and you orient towards it and you move towards it.
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This is the way that your brain and body
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are coordinating their actions together.
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Conversely, when our visual system
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is in a mode of looking at everything,
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when the aperture of our visual system is very broad,
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we know that there's also a reduction
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in our goal-directed behavior
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and a reduction in the systolic blood pressure.
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It's as if our peripersonal space is sufficient.
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We don't need to get beyond our current state.
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We're not oriented toward any one thing in particular.
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Okay, so I've now described some of the psychology
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and some of the underlying physiology.
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Now I'd like to mesh this within the context
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of actual specific goal setting and goal pursuit,
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because what many of you are probably thinking is,
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okay, well, that's some physiology, there's some psychology,
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but how do you actually apply this
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towards setting and achieving goals?
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Well, you do that by understanding that your mental frame
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and your attention are always either positioned
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to your peripersonal space,
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focused on your immediate possessions and state,
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or towards things outside you,
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but that you also have the ability to dynamically travel
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back and forth between those.
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And so next we're going to talk about
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what the literature says about things like visualization,
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immediate and intermediate goals,
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long-term goals, and how to best achieve those.
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And then we're going to move specifically
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into the protocols that you can use.
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It's a protocol that I've specifically developed for you,
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the listeners, in order to incorporate all the science
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into a best practice that you can do anytime,
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any place to really identify what it is specifically
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that you want to pursue and the best route to pursue
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and achieve that goal.
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Focusing our visual attention on one particular point
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is incredibly effective for all types of goal pursuit.
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And if you'd like to read some of the scientific studies
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or read a review of the scientific studies
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that have looked at how narrowing one's visual attention
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can really enhance the effectiveness of pursuing goals,
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I'll put a link to this study.
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The title of the study is keeping the goal in sight,
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testing the influence of narrowed visual attention
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on physical activity.
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And this is a paper from Emily Balsettis' lab,
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focuses mainly on physical activities,
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but it mentioned some other things as well.
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This is a article published in Personality
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and Social Psychology Bulletin in 2020.
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So it's recent, it's exceptional paper in my opinion,
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really gets to the heart of how all this works
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and some examples of where it's been implemented.
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So let's apply this visual tool in a very simple way
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to any type of goal that you want to pursue.
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If you already know what goal you want to pursue,
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maybe it's a workout,
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maybe it's a cognitive work of some particular sort.
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Again, the process is very simple.
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You're going to focus your visual attention
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on one point beyond your peripersonal space.
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So it could be on your computer, it could be on the wall,
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it could be a horizon, it could be at a distance,
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and you're going to focus your visual attention there.
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And with some effort,
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you're going to hold your visual attention
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for 30 to 60 seconds.
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You might blink, that's okay,
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but you're going to try
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and hold your visual attention there.
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So no moving your head around,
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no diverting your attention to other locations.
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Some people will find it very easy to do,
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other people will find it quite hard.
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Your mind may drift cognitively, that's okay,
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but try and bring your visual attention
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to that common point.
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Several episodes ago, I talked about
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how there are actually studies
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looking at developing this kind of training in students
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for ADHD and the data on that are actually quite encouraging.
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So for people who have ADHD and focus issues
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and attentional issues, this can be effective.
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For people who don't, this can also be effective.
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Again, it places your brain and body
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into a state of readiness.
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And then the idea is to move into the particular actions
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that bring you closer to your goal, okay?
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We haven't yet talked about how to set goals
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and how to assess progress.
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This is simply how to pursue goals, okay?
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But the visual component is important.
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In fact, I would argue that the visual system
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and harnessing your visual attention to a narrow point
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is going to be the most effective way
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to get your brain and body into a mode of action
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to pursue whatever goal it is you're trying to pursue.
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That practice is in stark contrast to multitasking,
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where by definition, your attention is moving
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from place to place to place, right?
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I mentioned that multitasking can be effective
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in getting your system into somewhat
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of an increased level of activation
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so that you can pursue a more focused goal.
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But the visual attention to a particular point
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is going to be the most effective way
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to bring your system into a state of readiness
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and action for goal pursuit.
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There's another really interesting way
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that you can leverage your visual system
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toward long-term goals.
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The Balcetas Lab has also done
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some really interesting experiments
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looking at people's ability to set
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and stick to long-term goals.
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And the long-term goal that they looked at
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was one related to saving money for later in life.
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This is something that a lot of people struggle with.
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A lot of people have a hard time investing money
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or saving money for later in life,
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simply because as human beings,
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we vary in the extent to which we worry
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about what's going to happen later.
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There's also a phenomenon of so-called delayed discounting.
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Delayed discounting is the fact
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that goals become less rewarding
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when they exist further out in the future, okay?
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You may have experienced this walking past a donut shop.
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I love donuts.
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I'm just going to admit it over and over again on the spot.
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I love the smell of them, I love the taste of them.
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I try not to eat them
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because I'm told they're not that good for me
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and indeed, I don't think they are.
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I occasionally cave and I eat one or many,
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but in general, I try not to cave
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to the immediately rewarding properties
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of the smell and the taste of the donut.
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But what we know is that if you smell a donut
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or you smell a wonderful piece of food,
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in the immediate term, it brings your level of focus,
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your mental focus to the immediate phase
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and it feels very rewarding.
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Like if you had it now, it would just be so good.
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But if you actually extend that reward out to tomorrow
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or the next thing you think,
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oh, you know, today happens to be a Saturday
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that we're recording, but oh, you know,
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on Tuesday morning, I'm going to get a donut.
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It doesn't have the same value because the reward system
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doesn't work as well for long-term goals.
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It's not as salient, it's not as tangible a goal,
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especially for something like a donut.
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Whereas the kinds of goals that work
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when you place them out into the longer term
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and can create a heightened sense of motivation
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tend to be things that are much more rewarding to us.
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So delayed discounting simply says
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that the further out in time that a given goal is,
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the less effective that reward will be
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in motivating one's behavior.
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And indeed, you see this with saving money for retirement,
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you see this with all sorts of long-term investment.
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The Balsetis lab therefore did an experiment
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where they looked at people's tendency
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to save money for later in life.
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But the groups that they created in the study
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were really interesting.
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They had one group imagine what it would be like
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to be 30 or 40 years older,
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and then to invest a certain amount of money
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according to whatever it is
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they thought that they would need.
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And they measured the amount that they had set aside
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and saved for later in life.
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The other group actually viewed photos of themselves.
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So picture images of themselves
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that were artificially digitally aged
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so that they could see themselves
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30 or 40 years into the future.
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And it turns out that people in that second group
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simply by perceiving their own image in the future
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invested far more money into later life.
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They set aside more money.
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Somehow it bridged the gap
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between their immediate experience of life
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and the longer arc toward what it was going to be like
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in 30 or 40 years.
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So a very powerful result in my opinion,
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because what it says again
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is that our visual perception of the future
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or our visual perception of the present
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is what allows us to anchor our goal-directed systems
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and our motivation to take on things
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that in the immediate term might not seem that useful.
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So you can imagine all sorts of variations on this.
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You can imagine that every time I want a donut,
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I'd see a vision of myself
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or an actual physical picture of myself
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as a consequence of having eaten many donuts every day
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for the next 10 years.
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I don't know what that image would look like
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because I've never seen it.
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That's not an experiment that I necessarily need to do
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because I'm not that motivated to eat donuts.
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But I have to confess,
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somebody who I think I'm pretty good at managing resources,
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but I think if I were to see an image of myself
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at 70 or 75,
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there's so many things that are associated
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with visual images,
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like what our body must feel like,
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what our needs are probably going to be like in that state
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or in that age,
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what sorts of things we may or may not still be able to do
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at that age.
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And that anchors back to immediate goal-directed behaviors,
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such as setting aside money for retirement,
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such as investing in one's health practices.
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And indeed, there's a study that has looked at
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how people will invest in exercise and healthy eating.
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If they just think about the future
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and what they might be like in the future
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versus seeing images of themselves in the future
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if they were to go down a healthy or unhealthy route.
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So again, the point is that the visual system,
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what we see is principally important
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in defining what we do in the immediate term,
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even if what we see relates to something
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in the far off distance.
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I think these are phenomenal studies
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and they get right down to an important issue
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that's been kicked around over and over in the literature
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and in the discussion about goal-seeking,
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which is visualization.
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We hear, keep the big goal in mind, focus on the big goal.
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So now we're going to address
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what does the science say about visualizing big goals?
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If you're somebody who's interested in business
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or let's say you're focused on relationship
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is thinking about the perfect relationship
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and what that would look like
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and the family that you would have and where you would live,
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is that effective in generating the kinds of behaviors
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that will lead you to that?
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Is it effective to think about the big win at the end?
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Well, it turns out it is,
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but you have to be very, very careful with when
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and how you implement that visualization
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because if you do it correctly,
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it can really serve your goal-seeking well.
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And if you do it incorrectly,
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it can undermine the entire process.
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So does visualization work?
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Well, it turns out that visualization of the big win,
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the end goal, so the Super Bowl win
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or eight gold medals in the Olympics
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or graduation from the university of your choice
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or making a certain amount of money
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or finding the partner of your choice, et cetera,
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that visualization is effective
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in getting the goal pursuit process started,
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but it actually is a pretty lousy
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and maybe even counterproductive way
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of maintaining pursuit of that goal,
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meaning continuing to engage the sort of actions
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that are going to get you to eventually achieve that goal.
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I think this is going to be surprising to people at first,
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but if we think back to our discussion
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about the physiology of the blood pressure system,
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it'll make sense.
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Good scientific studies have been done
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where people are told to imagine
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or even script out their long-term vision
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and goal for themselves.
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What is the big goal?
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And they're taught to or told to imagine it
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with a rich amount of detail to think about
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how it's going to feel in their body and the big win.
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And basically what happens is
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if you measure people's blood pressure
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or other metrics of physiology,
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you see an increase in that systolic blood pressure.
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There's kind of a ramping up of the readiness
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and excitement for that goal,
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but that increase in blood pressure quickly wanes.
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And over time, that visual of the long-term goal
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becomes a poor thing to rely on
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in order to generate the actions that are required
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to reach that goal.
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In fact, there's a much better way
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to maintain ongoing action toward a goal
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that also involves visualization,
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but it turns out it's not about visualizing success,
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it's about visualizing failure.
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The Balcetas lab and other labs
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have looked at whether or not people make progress
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toward goals of different types,
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whether or not they're thinking about the goal,
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they're thinking about that goal line
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and what they want to achieve,
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that long-term goal
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and all the wonderful things associated with it,
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or whether or not they're thinking about
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all the ways in which they could fail
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and route to that goal, right?
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This is not typically what we are encouraged to do.
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Typically we are told, don't imagine failure,
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push failure out of your mind,
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only focus on success, fake it till you make it,
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or it's a phrase that I absolutely hate, frankly,
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because it's not even clear what that means
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and it's not even clear what the ethical form of that is.
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I think it means continue despite any anxiety
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or fear that things won't work out.
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But if you look at the literature, the scientific literature,
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what the Balcetas lab and other labs have shown
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is that there's a near doubling,
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near doubling in the probability of reaching one's goal
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if you focus routinely on foreshadowing failure,
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you think about the ways in which things could fail
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if you take action A or you take action B,
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and instead therefore you take action C.
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You're supposed to think about how things could fail
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if you don't get up and run each morning
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if your goal is say a fitness goal.
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So let's use that as an example,
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because even though I realize people are in pursuit
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of many things, not just fitness,
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fitness goals and physical goals are a very concrete thing
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that we can all get on the same page about
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because they're related to actions.
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Let's say somebody sets a goal of running five miles
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four times a week minimum and as many as seven
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four times a week minimum before 8 a.m.
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Okay, in a previous podcast on habits,
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I talked about the benefits of not necessarily
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setting specific times that one will do things,
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but setting time blocks that one will do things.
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So you say before 8 a.m. you're going to run five miles
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and that's going to happen up to seven days a week, okay?
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One version of this would be, okay, sit back in a chair
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and think about how great you're going to feel and look
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if you're doing this every day,
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how your health is going to improve,
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how everything's going to, your blood markers of lipids,
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et cetera, are going to improve, okay, fine.
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That's the visualization goal of visualizing the endpoint.
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Turns out that is far less effective
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and maybe even counterproductive compared to thinking about
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what's going to happen if you don't do this,
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the negative health outcomes that are going to occur,
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the disappointment you're going to have in yourself,
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the fact that you're going to wait until 7.30,
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that's not long enough for many people to run five miles,
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you got to put it on your shoes and it can be pouring rain
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or even hailing or snowing outside
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and now you're not going outside unless you're somebody
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who's particularly motivated to do that, okay?
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So foreshadowing failure turns out to be the best way
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to motivate toward goal pursuit.
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In fact, as I mentioned before,
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there's a near doubling in the likelihood
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that people will reach goals of any kind
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when they're constantly thinking about
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how bad it's going to be if they fail.
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If we think back to the neural circuit
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associated with assessing value in our goal pursuits,
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this makes perfect sense.
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The amygdala, that center of the brain
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that's involved in anxiety and fear and worry,
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well, the amygdala is one of the four core components
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of our goal setting and goal pursuit circuitry.
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And there's no bypassing that,
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there is no one listening to this or watching this
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whose amygdala is not involved in their goal setting
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and goal pursuit behavior.
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And so while I'd love to be able to tell you
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that all you should think about is rainbows and puppies
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and all the wonderful rewarding things
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that are going to happen when you achieve your goals,
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the truth is you should be thinking mainly
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about how bad it's really going to get if you don't do it,
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how disappointing yourself you're going to feel,
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how it will negatively impact you
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if not in the immediate term, in the longterm,
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if indeed your goal is to reach your goal.
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So I want to emphasize that I'm not interested
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in encouraging people to flagellate themselves,
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I'm encouraging people to achieve their goals.
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And it turns out the best way to do that
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is by foreshadowing failure.
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And the more specific you can get by writing down
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or thinking about or talking about how bad it will be
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if you don't achieve your goals,
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the more likely you are to achieve those goals.
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Part of the reason for that almost certainly has to do
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with increases in systolic blood pressure
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and increases in readiness in your system
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when you imagine failure.
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The brain and body are much better at moving away
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from fearful things than towards things we want.
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I wish I could tell you that wasn't the case,
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but there is a true asymmetry in the way we are built.
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In fact, the brain and body can engage
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in what's called one trial learning.
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When something bad happens,
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we eat a food that makes us sick,
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we have an interaction with a person or place
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that we really don't like,
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it only takes one trial to really, one event, one time,
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to reorient or rewire our neural circuitry
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so that we have a bias toward moving away
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from that thing in the future.
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When things go well, unfortunately,
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that doesn't often occur.
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If things go really, really well,
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it might orient our brain and body
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toward wanting more of that thing
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and we'll have neural circuitry changes
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that will lead us to engage
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in that particular behavior interaction again,
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but it is never as effective as these avoidance circuits.
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So again, foreshadow failure.
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If you're going to visualize in a positive way,
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do that at the very beginning of some goal pursuit,
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maybe intermittently, every once in a while,
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you imagine the big win of scoring perfect on an exam
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or winning the championship or the great relationship,
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but most of the time, if you want to be effective,
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you should be focusing on avoiding failure
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and you should be really clear
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about what those failures would look like and feel like.
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Now let's talk about goal setting.
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Going back to that prominent literature,
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the psychology and popular literature,
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again, we can hear some of these themes start to emerge.
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The goal should be significant, we are told.
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It should be inspirational.
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It should be aggressive yet realistic.
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Well, okay, that's all fine and good,
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but let's get semi-quantitative about this.
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Let's at least get biological about this.
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How inspirational does it need to be?
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Does it need to be the kind of thing
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that is so inspiring to me that I can't sleep at all?
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Well, that wouldn't be good because I believe,
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and I know many of you have heard me
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say many, many times before, regular deep sleep,
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80% or more of the nights that you go to sleep
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is going to be crucial to your cognitive
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and mental functioning and your ability
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to achieve your goals in the long-term.
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That's absolutely clear.
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So it's got to be inspirational and exciting,
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but what does that really look like
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and what does that correspond to
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and how do we actually make that happen?
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Well, once again, there is a mismatch
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between what the real data show
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and what we're most often told.
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Turns out that, again, work in Balsedis' lab,
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but also other laboratories has addressed
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whether or not the probability of achieving a goal
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goes up or down depending on whether or not one visualizes
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or sets a goal that is easy, moderate or impossible.
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Okay, an impossible goal would be, for instance,
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if I say, I'm going to jump from my front driveway
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all the way up to the road,
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the road's quite a distance away,
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it's more than 20 meters away, it's just not going to happen.
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It's not going to happen in this lifetime,
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it's not going to happen in any other lifetime,
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not unless it involves some elaborate technology
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that I'm not aware of, a jet pack or something like that.
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It's just not going to happen, right?
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An easy goal would be something like, can you jump
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or could I jump two feet in front of me?
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Obviously, yes.
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Okay, now I'm using a trivial example here,
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but this could be translated to any kind of goal,
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school goal, physical goal, et cetera.
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Turns out that when people set goals,
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whether or not they are nutritional goals,
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eat more of this or eat less of that,
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whether or not they're fitness goals, run more, lift more,
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or some other goal, swim less, swim more,
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whatever it is their goal happens to be,
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some learning goal, some relationship goal,
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some attempt to modify their behavior,
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turns out that if the goal is too easy,
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it's too within reach,
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it doesn't recruit enough of the autonomic nervous system
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to make pursuit of that goal likely.
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Now that might be surprising,
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at least it was surprising to me,
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you think, well, something is really, really easy,
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there's a very low bar to achieve it,
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people are probably more likely to do it,
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but it turns out that's not the case.
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When we hear that a goal needs to be inspirational,
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what do we mean?
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When we hear that something's too easy to recruit our action,
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what do we mean?
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Well, Balsettia's lab measured systolic blood pressure
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and found that when goals were too easy
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for people to attain,
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they didn't get that increase in systolic blood pressure
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and recruitment of the other neural and vascular systems,
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meaning the blood systems and the nervous system,
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that would place them into ongoing effort,
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and so they quickly gave up.
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Also, if a goal was too lofty,
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if it was too far from their current abilities,
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it didn't recruit enough systolic blood pressure.
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Even if people could get very excited
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about something mentally,
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it simply didn't place their body into a state of readiness
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because it wasn't tangible
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that they could actually perhaps really achieve it.
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So it turns out that when goals were moderate,
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when they were just outside of one's immediate abilities,
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or that one felt that, yeah,
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that would take a lot of effort,
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but it's within range or maybe in range,
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like maybe I can do it, maybe I can't,
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then there was a near doubling
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of the systolic blood pressure in the good sense.
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It didn't go into the unhealthy range
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and a doubling or more of the likelihood
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that they would engage in the ongoing pursuit
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of that particular goal.
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So here we're talking about goal setting.
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What we're saying is set goals that are realistic,
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but that aren't so realistic
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that they're easy.
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The goals need to be realistic and truly challenging.
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Don't set goals that are so challenging and so lofty
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that they crash that blood pressure system
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in the other direction
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and make you or anyone feel unmotivated.
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In hearing this, it makes sense,
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but I don't think I would have predicted it
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had they not done this very controlled study.
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I would have thought the loftier the goal,
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the bigger the goal,
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the more that it recruits the autonomic system
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and the more that people are likely to lean into the energy
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and effort to pursue and attain that goal.
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I also would have thought
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that if a goal is really easy to achieve,
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that it would engage the systems of action
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in the brain and body enough
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that people would sort of get into motion
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and pursue that goal.
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But neither is the case.
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Again, set goals that are difficult to achieve,
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but that are not so lofty that they collapse your system
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and that you feel overwhelmed.
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And the important thing here is that how we perceive a goal,
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whether or not we think it's within reach or not,
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of course, will vary depending on whether or not
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we are rested,
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depending on whether or not other aspects of our life
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are going well.
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I mean, we can think that we are hot on the heels
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of a lifetime goal and everything's going well.
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And then there'll be some crisis, interpersonal crisis,
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or there'll be a health crisis and you'll be shut down.
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And then that goal seems very, very hard to attain.
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So we will talk about how to update goals
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under different contexts in a few minutes.
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But of course, this is going to be an averaging.
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This isn't something that you do just once.
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But the takeaway again is very simple,
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set goals that are moderately hard to hard,
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but not so hard nor so easy that they don't engage
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your brain and body properly.
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Moderate goals are best if you want to achieve your goals.
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Now I'd like to talk about three particular areas
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of scientific study that point to goal pursuit,
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goal assessment, and goal achievement.
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Previously, I told you that it's great
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to foreshadow failure,
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that that's a great way to get your system
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into a state of activation.
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I also told you that you want to set goals
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that are challenging, but possible.
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And again, here, I'm paraphrasing
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from the work of Emily Balsettis.
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I want to be very clear.
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There are a few other things that one can do
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in order to bias the likelihood that you will succeed
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in trying to achieve your goals.
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First of all, limit your options.
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Trying to pursue too many goals at once
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can definitely be counterproductive.
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Now I realize that life is complicated.
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We all have multiple goals that we're trying to pursue,
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but if we have particular goals that are important to us,
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we have to be careful to not get distracted by other goals.
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And many people run into this problem.
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So setting one or two or maybe three major goals
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for a given year is going to be more than enough
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for most people and is actually going to be challenging
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for most people.
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Now, of course, we have daily goals and monthly goals
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and yearly goals, but if we have big lofty goals,
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we need to be careful not to contaminate our mental space
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and our visual space with too many goals.
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And why do I say visual goals?
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Well, what various department stores and supermarkets
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have discovered is that the greater the number of things
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in our visual attention, the more that we can draw
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our attention and our goals off a line of pursuit.
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What does that mean?
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Well, let's think about it in the practical context.
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This has actually been done.
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Big department stores have figured out
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that if they stock their shelves chock-a-block
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with many, many options of food or clothing items
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or objects or anything like that,
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people simply buy more stuff.
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People are very prone to orienting their attention
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to whatever's in front of them.
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You put a lot of stuff in front of them,
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their attention drifts.
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You put fewer things in front of them,
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their attention is more narrow.
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In a later episode, we'll talk about designing a workspace
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that's optimized on the basis of this.
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It doesn't mean being in a room with nothing
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except just your desk and a computer.
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It doesn't have to be that sparse,
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but visual sparseness actually can help us
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orient our focus and our behavior.
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When we have a lot of things in our visual environment
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or a lot of things in our cognitive environment,
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it's the same thing.
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And so if you're going to try and pursue a fitness goal,
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a relationship goal, an academic goal,
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and a long-term life financial goal all at once,
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that's four things.
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And you're going to have to come up with systems
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that allow you to isolate those goals in a very rigid way.
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And if you do have multiple interleaving goals
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and overlapping goals and simultaneous goals,
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in a few minutes, we're going to talk about a process
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that will allow you to use your visual system
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to align towards each of those goals sequentially
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in a way that makes it much more likely
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that you'll achieve them.
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So now let's talk about specificity of goals.
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We've all heard that the more specific a goal is
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and the more specific we are about when and how
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we are going to execute that goal,
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the higher probability that we will actually
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achieve that goal.
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And indeed that's the case,
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but there's an additional feature that's not often discussed
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that is vitally important.
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And in fact, maybe more important than having a specific
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time of day or a specific end point in mind.
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There's a really nice study that was done
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looking at recycling.
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And this is something that a number of groups, businesses,
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households, and individuals are trying to do more of.
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They're trying to lower carbon footprint or contribute to
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the world in some general way by throwing away fewer things
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that could potentially be recycled.
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So this has been studied in the context
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of the work environment where a business decides
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and lets everybody know that there's going to be
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a greater effort toward recycling cans or bottles
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or bottles and cans, et cetera.
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And then the way these studies were done is that
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the janitorial staff was swapped out temporarily
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for researchers that actually measured the number
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of recyclable items that showed up in the trash
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and not in the recycle
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as a function of the total amount of trash.
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Why did I say as a function of the total amount of trash?
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Well, it's a way of controlling for differences
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in beverage consumption from one week to the next.
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Anyway, the point is they were able to very carefully
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measure how much people are recycling before
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and after this call to action to recycle more.
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What they found was if they said,
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we are going to try and recycle more,
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try not to put cans and bottles in the trash.
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There of course was an improvement in recycling,
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but it was pretty modest.
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Whereas when there was a very concrete plan
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and everyone knew what that concrete plan was,
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for instance, to place all bottles and cans
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into the recycle, not the trash,
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or to limit the amount of trash by 50%
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or to eliminate all recyclable items from the trash.
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So when they made it very concrete,
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exactly what the action steps were,
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there was a remarkable, I mean,
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close to a hundred fold or more improvement in recycling
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behavior that lasted many months
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after this call to action was made.
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The takeaway from this is quite straightforward.
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It means that having a concrete plan is essential.
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You can't just say, I'm going to become a better recycler,
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or I'm going to do things that are better
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for the environment,
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or I'm going to become more physically fit.
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It has to be a specific set of action steps
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that get right down to details
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about what success would look like.
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I've heard this before described
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as what does right look like?
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What is the actual outcome that one would like to achieve
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in terms of action steps?
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So not necessarily feeling states.
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It wasn't that they all sat around and said,
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how great we're all going to feel about ourselves
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in the world when we accomplish this goal.
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It was very concrete statements,
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very concrete plans about action steps
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that would deliver one to one's goal.
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Somewhat straightforward and intuitive,
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but nonetheless worthwhile.
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What it suggests is that for all of us,
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if we have certain goals that we want to achieve,
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we need to be exquisitely detailed
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about what the action steps are that we're going to take
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and to constantly update those action steps
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so that we have a higher probability
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of meeting those action steps.
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Some of you may be asking,
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how often should one assess progress?
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Well, that of course will depend on the given goal
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that you're trying to pursue.
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But in the studies that I've been referring to here,
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the assessment of progress
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and the updating of concrete plans was done weekly.
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So it seems like weekly is a good starting place
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to address how well one performed in the previous week.
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And then based on that performance
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to update the action plan for the upcoming week.
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So weekly seems like a good solid rule of thumb
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for setting particular action goals
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and assessing one's progress
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towards the immediate and longer-term goals.
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Any discussion about goals and goal pursuit
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would be incomplete without a discussion
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about the molecule dopamine.
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Dopamine is often thought of as the molecule
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of pleasure and reward,
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but actually it is the molecule of motivation.
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This is best illustrated by a classic set of studies
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that have been carried out in both animals and in humans.
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The animal study can be described the following way.
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Two rats, each in a separate cage.
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You can provide those rats with the opportunity
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to indulge in something that they like,
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like food or mating or heat if it's cold in the environment
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or a cool spot in the cage,
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if it's warm in the environment and so forth.
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And what you find is that rats
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will very readily approach the rewarding thing.
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They will mate, they will eat,
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they will pursue something that is of pleasure.
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Now, if you are to take one of those rats
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and deplete its dopamine neurons,
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you can eliminate its dopamine neurons
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or block dopamine in the brain.
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What you find is that those animals
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will still enjoy pleasure.
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They will consume the food, they will mate, et cetera.
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However, their motivation to achieve pleasure
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is vastly reduced.
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In fact, if you place the item of pleasure,
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the mate, the food, et cetera,
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even just one rat's length away from that rat,
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the rat without dopamine will not even move one length
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of its own body in order to achieve that pleasure.
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And there are naturally occurring experiments in humans
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that mimic that result very accurately.
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There are certain conditions in humans
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where there's a depletion of dopamine.
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And what you find is that the depletion of dopamine
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does not inhibit an ability
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to experience pleasure necessarily.
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It inhibits an ability to pursue
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or go through the series of action steps
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in order to achieve pleasure.
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So dopamine really sits at the heart
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of our motivational state to seek out goals
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and to seek pleasure.
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And this is true for immediate goals
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that take place within a timeframe of minutes
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or a timeframe of a day or the timeframe of a week
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or the timeframe of a lifetime.
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Dopamine is the common currency by which we pursue goals.
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Now, dopamine does a number of things
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that are very interesting.
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I'm going to describe a few of them
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as they relate to goal-seeking behavior.
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First of all, there's a fundamental feature
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of how our brain releases and uses dopamine
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that's called reward prediction error.
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And the simplest way to think about
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dopamine reward prediction error
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is that dopamine is released in the greatest amount
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and places us into a greater state of motivation
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when something happens that's positive and novel.
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Now, an important thing to understand about dopamine
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is that it's not always released on the same schedule.
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There are a couple of different ways that dopamine is released
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and when it is released relative to your anticipation
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of a reward is key.
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If you don't expect something positive to happen,
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you're just going about your day
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and something positive happens,
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dopamine and a lot of dopamine is released.
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I had this happen recently.
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I had no idea that I was going to be receiving
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something in the mail, but I went to the mail,
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I looked in the mail and I got something very positive
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and I was really, really excited about it.
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This is a real event that happened just today.
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However, if we anticipate something positive
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is going to happen and then that thing happens,
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we experience dopamine as part of the anticipation.
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So even before we get the reward,
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there's an increase in dopamine.
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It's not as high as it would be if something really novel
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and unexpected and positive happened,
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but we do get an increase in dopamine.
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And then when we actually experience the reward,
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we experienced the positive thing,
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there's a smaller increase in dopamine.
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So again, the biggest increases in dopamine
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are response to things that are positive and unexpected.
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Lesser dopamine is released
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when we anticipate something good will happen.
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And when that happens, yes, we get some dopamine
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and we also get some dopamine
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when the positive thing happens.
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Think about anticipating a great meal with friends.
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We have some dopamine churning, friends come over,
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then we have the meal
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and we also get some dopamine from that,
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but not nearly as much as we would
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if it had all happened as a part of a big surprise.
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Then there's also the case in which we predict
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that something good will happen.
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When that happens, there's an increase in dopamine
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just as there was before.
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But then if that thing doesn't happen,
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for instance, our friends don't show up for dinner,
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then there's a drop in dopamine below our initial baseline.
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That drop in dopamine is the chemical essence
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of what we call disappointment.
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Now, this dopamine reward prediction error, as it's called,
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can be leveraged toward trying to reach our goals
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because it tells us where we should set our milestones.
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We can't be in a mode of simply being focused
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on the finish line.
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Very few people can do that over long periods of time
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in a way that's effective.
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Now, earlier I talked about a study
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where people were focused on a finish line visually
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and they were moving through space
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with these ankle weights on,
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but that was a very short-term goal, okay?
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So if a goal is within minutes
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or maybe even within an hour or is in
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with our immediate visuals environment,
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maybe we can do that.
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But most goals of the sort that most people are pursuing,
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fitness goals, academic goals, business goals,
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relationship goals, et cetera, involve some milestones.
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So understanding what we know about reward prediction error,
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we can make better choices
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about where to place the milestones,
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how far out in the future to place milestones.
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So then the question becomes how often
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or at what intervals should one assess progress?
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And it turns out this is very subjective,
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but that there's a way to make it objective.
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Now, in a previous episode of the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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I had a discussion with the great Robert Sapolsky,
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and we were talking about how the brain
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can subjectively change whether or not a given behavior
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or experience is positive or negative.
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And the example that Robert gave is a really phenomenal one.
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It's a study that's been done in rats and also in humans,
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where it took a rat, they had a rat run on a running wheel.
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Rats, turns out, like to run on running wheels.
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And the blood pressure of that animal,
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the health metrics for that animal, the lipid profiles,
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many, many things improved, okay?
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The rat was exercising and it got healthier
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and presumably got happier.
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We don't know.
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We could have asked it, but we wouldn't know.
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Doesn't know how to tell us, but we can measure blood lipids.
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We can measure blood pressure and all sorts of things.
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And indeed, when that rat exercised
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or when people exercise, they generally get healthier.
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Except in that particular experiment,
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they had another animal where every time rat number one ran,
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rat number two was forced to run.
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It was on a running wheel and it was forced to run,
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not because it wanted to, but because it was forced to.
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And what was remarkable is that the physiological effects
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of being forced to do something
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were in the complete opposite direction as they were
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when those same behaviors were undertaken voluntarily.
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In other words, the rat that was choosing to run
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got healthier and the rat that was forced to run
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became unhealthy.
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Blood pressure went up in a direction
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that wasn't effective and useful.
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Blood lipids got worse.
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Stress hormones went up, et cetera, et cetera.
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And you see the same thing in humans.
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Now, what this says is that our subjective understanding
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of why we are doing something is fundamentally important
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for the effects that we will get from that behavior.
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And indeed the effects that that behavior will have on us.
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So this has two major implications.
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First of all, in terms of reward schedules,
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we can decide to use any reward schedule
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that we want for a given behavior.
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We can decide that the milestones for a,
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let's say a plan of getting
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in really terrific cardiovascular shape over the next year,
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we can decide to assess every day and ask ourselves,
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how good was our progress?
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And if we made progress,
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then we're going to reward ourselves.
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We could do that every third day.
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We could do it every week.
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We could do it every five minutes
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if we actually have the time to do that.
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The reward schedule, the dopamine system
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is highly susceptible to the subjective effects,
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the so-called top-down effects of when we decide
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that something is going to be good for us,
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if we analyze it on a given timeframe,
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well, then it's going to be good for us.
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So what I suggest people do is pick a particular interval
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at which they are going to assess progress.
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And if you've been making regular progress towards a goal
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that you reward yourself and the reward indeed
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is all cognitive, it's all mental.
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It's telling yourself, yes, I'm on the right track.
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Now, some people will say, wait,
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but I want to know exactly how often I should do that.
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You need to do that at an interval
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that you can maintain consistently, okay?
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So you're not going to reward yourself every minute
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or every step of every jog that you take,
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unless you can do it every minute of every step
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of every jog that you take.
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For that reason, I think that daily
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or ideally weekly assessments are going to be best.
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I think that checking in at the end of a week,
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looking back on the previous week
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and assessing how well you performed
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in pursuit of a given goal,
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how many times a week you ran or how many times you studied
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or how many times you did something that you wanted to do
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or avoided something that you didn't want to do.
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I think that's a reasonable and tractable schedule
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to assess once a week.
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So that's one point that pick a milestone
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that you can maintain consistently throughout the pursuit
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of a goal.
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The second thing is that the subjective effects
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that were described by that Sapolsky study
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or that Sapolsky described rather are absolutely essential
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for all aspects of goal-seeking behavior.
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We cannot underestimate the extent
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to which the dopamine system
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and our sense of whether or not we are on the right track
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is under our cognitive control.
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If we constantly place ourselves
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into a mode of thinking that we are failing,
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well, then indeed,
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we are not going to churn out much dopamine.
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Now, earlier I said we need to predict and visualize failure
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but that is not the same thing
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as thinking about ourselves as failing.
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We need to predict what the outcome would be if we failed,
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but then encountering that and in behaving in a certain way
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and thinking in a certain way
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and pursuing our goals in an effective way,
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maybe checking in on that each week,
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we definitely need to reward ourselves cognitively
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for the correct and successful pursuit.
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What this means is that anticipate and think about failure
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as a mechanism of generating motivation
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and indeed fear and anxiety
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so that you lean into the correct behaviors
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and you lean away from the incorrect behaviors
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to reach your goal.
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But then weekly or so,
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whatever you can maintain consistently,
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you absolutely want to reward yourself cognitively
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by telling yourself, I'm on the right track.
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I got another week where I accomplished whatever it is
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that I'm trying to accomplish.
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A concrete example that I'm following now
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is this 150 to 200 minutes of zone two cardio per week
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because that's shown to be very effective
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in improving mental and physical health metrics.
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So once a week, I'll check in with myself.
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If I reach that 150 to 200 minute threshold,
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then I'll reward myself simply by checking off a box
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and saying, okay, I'm on track, I'm on track, I'm on track.
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This dopamine system is critical to re-up,
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to remind ourselves that we are on track
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if indeed we are on track
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because dopamine itself provides a state of motivation
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and readiness to continue
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in the regular pursuit of our goals.
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Dopamine, the molecule is actually used
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to manufacture epinephrine and norepinephrine,
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which are other molecules in our brain and body,
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which put us into that readiness and action state.
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They're actually the molecules that help generate
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that increase in systolic blood pressure
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that puts us into a state of readiness.
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So you can think about dopamine as a self amplifying system
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provided that you are leveraging the dopamine system
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on a consistent schedule.
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Now, by also following a consistent schedule of self reward,
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you set yourself up for any positive unanticipated rewards
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that may happen.
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So for instance, if you're checking in with yourself weekly,
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telling yourself that you're doing well, if indeed you are,
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and then out of nowhere, for instance, you're out on a run
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or you're doing something, I'm using fitness as an example,
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but you're doing something,
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you find yourself performing particularly well,
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that's a unexpected dopamine reward
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that will further amplify the system.
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Now, I know many people out there
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having heard me talk about dopamine before,
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worry, well, can I release too much dopamine
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and then the whole system will crash
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and then I'll run out of motivation.
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In general, that doesn't happen
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unless people are using pharmacology,
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supplements or prescription drugs
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or illicit drugs to increase dopamine.
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This is why I'm a big fan of things like cold showers
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and cold water exposure which has been shown
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to lead to long lasting 2.5X increases in dopamine
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or in some cases, supplementation with things
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like L-tyrosine which are precursors to dopamine
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or in some cases, caffeine which can increase
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the number of dopamine receptors that we have
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so that whatever dopamine we have floating around
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can be more effective in activating
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these motivational states.
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But things that really increase dopamine
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and then cause it to crash can be problematic.
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One way to conceive of dopamine
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is as a sort of dopamine wave pool.
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You've probably seen these wave pools
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where some pressure is pushed into the pool
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and then you get these waves going.
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If those waves are consistent enough
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and they're of high enough amplitude,
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the waves can continue to go up and down and up and down.
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But if it's a giant wave,
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if you get a huge blast of dopamine,
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well, then a bunch of the water sloshes
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out of the wave pool and then you basically have
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to take some time off, reset that dopamine level.
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That's what happens in addiction
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and when people start pushing in a lot of drugs
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or other things into the system
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that increase dopamine too much.
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So today we've almost exclusively been talking
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about behavioral tools.
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It is possible to incorporate supplements
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and things of that sort that can increase dopamine
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as a way to getting into ongoing motivational states.
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But I caution people about relying on those too much.
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Really what you want is you want a situation
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where your own positive feedback,
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your own understanding that you are reaching
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the milestones that you've set out for yourself,
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that you're achieving those
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and that is what's causing these waves
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or these increases in dopamine
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that will further amplify your motivational states.
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Another very interesting aspect of dopamine
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that I've not talked about at all on this podcast before
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is actually how the dopamine system
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interacts with the visual system.
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We've talked a lot about how harnessing
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your visual attention to a particular point is great
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and can help serve your ability to both set
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and achieve goals.
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Really wonderful work that was done by Wolfram Schultz,
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who's one of the great pioneers in this area of dopamine
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and dopamine reward prediction error,
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showed that for people that have normal levels of dopamine,
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their visual search,
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meaning how they scanned visual environments
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tends to be pretty constrained.
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They might move their eyes around
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a particular visual environment searching somewhat.
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For people that lack dopamine,
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they actually have very little movement of their eyes.
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They don't actually tend to look very far into the horizon.
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They don't have that very focused vergence point
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that we're talking about that kind of,
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I guess for lack of a better phrase,
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that kind of eye of the tiger focus on a goal,
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rather their eye movements are depleted
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and they're not actually evaluating horizons
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off in their future.
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They're not focused so much on the extra personal space.
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And this actually can be restored in some of these
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that took place in Parkinson's patients
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and other people who have dopamine depleted,
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that when dopamine is restored pharmacologically,
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their visual focus is re-enhanced again.
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Now, there are a lot of details to this study
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that don't map perfectly onto everything
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that I've talked about.
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But the point is this,
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when we are focused on a particular point in visual space
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or a particular goal or horizon,
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all those systems, our blood pressure, epinephrine,
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and indeed dopamine get recruited
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to put us into a state of readiness and willingness
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to go pursue things in that extra personal space.
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When our visual attention is very diffuse,
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all of that relaxes and we tend to be more comfortable
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staying in the place that we are in our peripersonal space.
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And the effect works in the other direction too.
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When dopamine is increased,
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our visual attention for particular things
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out in space increase.
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So the way it works is reciprocal.
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When we use our visual system in a particular way,
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bring it to a point of focus,
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it recruits chemical and neural systems
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in our brain and body
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that put us into a state of readiness and pursuit.
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And when we increase certain chemicals in our brain and body
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like epinephrine, like dopamine,
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then we also allow our visual system
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to be in a state of looking out at particular locations
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in our visual world.
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So the system works in both directions.
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And some people leverage this by using things like caffeine
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or taking things like L-tyrosine to increase dopamine.
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And again, it works both ways.
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There's no right or wrong way to do it.
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I'm a particular fan of using behavioral tools
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always prior to using supplementation
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or any kinds of other tools
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because behavioral tools have a very unique feature
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that supplementation and other chemical tools don't,
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which is that behavioral tools used over time
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engage neuroplasticity.
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As we start to practice using our visual system
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to harness our attention to particular locations
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and in that way move toward particular goals,
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we get better and better at using those systems.
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In fact, the systems for focus and motivation
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themselves have plasticity.
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So we get better at being motivated and focused
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when we place our visual attention at a given location.
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Using chemical assistance of a safe kind,
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of course, check with your doctor,
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but things like L-tyrosine or caffeine or those combined,
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yes, it will increase dopamine
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and will increase our ability
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to engage in visual focus somewhat.
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But those compounds alone don't modify the circuitry
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in the way that we want.
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So I always say behavioral tools first,
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then nutritional tools, then supplementation tools,
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and then if it's right for you and safe,
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maybe you advance into some of the other
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more sophisticated tools.
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I'd like to just briefly recap
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what I've covered up until now.
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And again, emphasize that much of what I've covered
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has been based on the beautiful work
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of Emily Balcetas and colleagues.
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I do hope to get her as a guest on the podcast, by the way.
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First of all, set goals that are challenging but possible.
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Those moderate goals, not super easy, not super difficult,
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but moderately challenging goals
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seem to be the most effective
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in moving people towards their goals
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over the short and long term.
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Second, plan concretely.
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You need a concrete set of actions
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that you're going to follow in order to reach your goals.
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Third, foreshadow failure.
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This is a somewhat surprising one to me.
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I would have anticipated that imagining success
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is the way to go.
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It turns out that imagining success and visualizing success
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can be useful at the outset of a goal
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and maybe every once in a while in pursuit of that goal,
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but that it's not terrific for putting you
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in constant pursuit of that goal.
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Rather, foreshadowing failure, visualizing failure
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and all the terrible things that it's going to bring
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seems to be more effective and that maps very well
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to what's known about the neural circuitry
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and the involvement of the amygdala.
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Focus on particular visual points
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as a way to harness your attention and to remove distractors.
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Removing distractors and getting your body and brain
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into a mode of activation,
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getting that healthy increase in systolic blood pressure
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that puts you into forward motion towards your goals
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is absolutely key.
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So that's a brief summary
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of what I've covered up until now.
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There were other things too, of course,
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the dopamine system and the power of subjective
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top-down control in regulating that dopamine system.
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But I want to be sure to include a tool
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that's been especially powerful for me,
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that's grounded in the neuroscience research
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and in the psychology research.
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And as I describe this tool next,
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I think you'll see the ways in which it meshes nicely
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with the work that Emily Balcetas and colleagues have done.
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This is something that I've personally been doing
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for many years based on my understanding
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of the visual system and the understanding
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that indeed we can move our cognition and our perception
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from a place of interoception
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and focusing on our peripersonal space,
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that space within us and immediately around us
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and on the things that are immediately accessible to us,
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that we can shift from that mode
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to this mode of exteroception of focusing on things
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outside the confines of our skin
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and that are beyond our reach,
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that are literally goal-directed behaviors
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and goal-directed thoughts.
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And this is something that in the past
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I've talked about a little bit
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and I've talked about something called space-time bridging.
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And we haven't talked too much about the time domain
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of the visual system today,
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but space-time bridging is simply a way
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of using one's visual system
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to focus on the peripersonal space and interoception
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and then gradually in a deliberate way,
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stepping one's focus into the extra personal space
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and then back to the peripersonal space
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in a way that gives you a lot of flexibility and control
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over that ability in your daily life.
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So I'm going to first describe the tool
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and then I will explain more about the underlying science
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and the underlying mechanism.
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Here's how you would do this.
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You could do this indoors or outdoors,
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although ideally you would do it in a location
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where you could view a horizon.
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It could be through a window
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or ideally outdoors without a window.
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It could be done any time of day.
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At night, it might be a little more challenging,
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but it goes the following way.
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What you first do is you would close your eyes.
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This could be done seated or standing,
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but you would close your eyes
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and you would focus as much of your attention,
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including your visual attention on your inner landscape,
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on your interoception.
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So that would be your breathing, your heart rate,
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maybe even the surface of your skin,
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but really focusing internally.
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Now, how can you focus your visual attention internally
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if your eyes are closed?
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Well, you do that by imagining your inner landscape, okay?
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So you don't have to imagine your heart beating
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and so forth, but what you're trying to do
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is eliminate perception of the outside world.
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You're eliminating exteroception
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and you're focusing all of your cognitive attention
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and your perceptual attention
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on what you're experiencing within the confines of your skin
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or at the level of the surface of your skin
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and inside your body.
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And you would do that for a duration
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of approximately three slow breaths, okay?
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So close your eyes.
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You would do breath one, breath two, and breath three,
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01:42:34.440
concentrating all your attention on your internal landscape.
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Then you would open your eyes
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and you would focus your visual attention
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01:42:41.120
on some area on the surface of your body.
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So for me, the way that I typically do this
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will be to focus on, say, the palm of my hand.
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So I'll focus my visual attention on the palm of my hand.
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And I then do three breaths again,
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focusing on my internal state,
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but now I'm splitting out a little bit of my attention
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from interoception to exteroception.
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I'm focusing on something outside me.
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The ratio or the split of attention is about 90-10.
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About 90% of my attention is focused internally,
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but I'm also focusing some of my attention externally.
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Most people can do this pretty easily.
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Then there's a third, what I call station.
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I now move my visual attention to outside my body,
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to some location in the room,
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or if I'm outside in the external environment,
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01:43:24.020
something in the range of five to 15 feet away.
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And I'm trying to move 90% of my attention
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to that external object.
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So now I'm really biasing my perception
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and my attention towards exteroception.
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01:43:37.540
As I breathe, I'm paying attention to those three breaths.
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So that's why there's still 10%
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that's focused on my internal landscape,
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because I want to pay attention to those three breaths,
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but I'm focusing as much of my attention outside of myself,
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01:43:49.160
maintaining just a little bit on my internal state
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so I can measure the cadence of those three breaths.
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01:43:55.140
Then I move my visual attention to yet another station,
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which is further away,
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01:43:58.840
typically a horizon or something
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01:44:00.520
as far off in the distance as I can possibly see,
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01:44:03.340
again, for the duration of three breaths.
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And at that point, I'm trying my very best to move 99,
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if not 100% of my attention to that external location.
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01:44:15.960
And then what I typically will do
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is I will try and expand both my vision and my cognition
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to a much broader sphere.
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01:44:25.120
This is that magnocellular vision
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that we talked about before,
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where I'm not focusing on a particular location
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01:44:30.080
on the horizon,
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01:44:30.920
I'm trying to dilate the aperture of my field of view
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01:44:33.000
so I can see as much of the visual landscape
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as I'm in as possible.
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01:44:36.740
If you're in an internal, excuse me,
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01:44:39.520
if you're in indoors, then that might be the ceiling,
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01:44:42.740
the walls, and the floor of the environment you're in.
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01:44:45.040
If you're outdoors,
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it would be to expand your visual focus
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01:44:47.720
as broadly as you possibly can,
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01:44:50.000
again, for the duration of three breaths.
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01:44:53.200
Then I would return immediately to my internal landscape.
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01:44:56.880
I would close my eyes and I would do three more breaths
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focusing entirely on my interoception,
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on my internal landscape,
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01:45:05.120
what we call before my peripersonal space.
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And I would then repeat that peripersonal space, 100%.
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Focused on my hand, 90%,
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10% on my peripersonal space or my internal landscape.
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01:45:18.760
Stepping out to another location
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where it's mostly exteroception,
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01:45:22.600
maybe a little bit of recognition of my internal state.
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Then to the horizon, then to this broader visual sphere,
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then back into my body.
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And I would work through each of those stations
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maybe two or three times.
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The entire thing takes about 90 seconds to three minutes,
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depending on how many breaths you do.
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I said three, but you could do one or 10,
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it doesn't really matter.
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Or it's also going to depend on, for instance,
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how slowly you're breathing,
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because your breathing might be faster than mine
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or vice versa.
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What is all of this doing?
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Why do I call this space time bridging?
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And why is this useful for goal setting?
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The reason I call it space time bridging
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is that the visual system is not just about analyzing space,
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it's actually how we batch time.
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It's how we carve up time.
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And the simple way to state this
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is that when we focus our visual attention
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on a very narrow point that's close to our body
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and our immediate experience,
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we tend to slice up time very finely.
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We're focused on our breathing.
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We're focused on our heartbeats.
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In fact, our breathing and our internal landscape
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and our heartbeats become the sort of seconds hand,
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if you will, on our experience.
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We are carving up time
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according to our immediate physiological experience.
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Whereas when we focus our visual attention outside our body,
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not only do we engage that exteroceptive
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extra personal space system,
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and we start to engage the dopamine system,
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the goal-directed system,
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but we also start batching time differently.
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When we focus our visual system
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into a broader sphere of space
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or into a space beyond the confines of our skin,
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we start carving up time, our frame rate changes.
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Now, this is useful in the context of goal setting,
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goal assessment, and goal pursuit,
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because with the exception of a very few isolated examples,
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almost all goals involve setting some goal
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that's off in the future,
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and then carving up the time between now
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and the achievement of that goal
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into milestones that range in duration.
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And the rewards,
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even if we try and just make them every week,
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are going to come at some unexpected intervals.
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And that's actually can be helpful for reinforcing behavior.
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Intermittent reward that's intermittent and random
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is the most effective reward schedule we know.
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But the problem is always,
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how do we keep our cognition in line with the long-term goal
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while also being focused on these more immediate goals?
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And so this particular practice
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that I call space-time bridging,
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but we could give it a different name.
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I'm sure there are better names.
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Maybe you can suggest some
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in the comment section on YouTube
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that are more accurate or more mapped to it better.
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But this behavior, or this practice, rather,
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is teaching us to use our visual system
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and thereby our cognitive system
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and thereby our reward systems
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to orient to different locations in space
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and therefore at different locations in time.
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And that is the essence of goal-directed behavior.
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That is the essence of setting a goal.
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It's about thinking about what you want.
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Then it's about setting milestones
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that are intermediate to that goal.
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Then it's about assessing
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whether or not you're reaching those milestones.
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And then it's, of course, about updating your goals
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if you need to update your goals.
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All of that is an enormously confusing batch of challenges
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if you think about it all at once.
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But if you break it down into these elements
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that the visual system can help you find
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and move towards those milestones,
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I think there's ample evidence to support that,
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and that your control over your visual system
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is indeed yours,
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that you can deliberately set it to different locations,
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and then you make a practice
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of stepping through these different stations
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on a regular basis.
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Again, I do this each morning.
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I do this once a day.
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Rarely have I done it twice a day.
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Rarely have I missed a day.
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But by doing that, you can be very effective
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in teaching the systems of your brain
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that are related to goal setting and reward
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to map to different timeframes.
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So I found this to be a very effective protocol.
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The Balsettis work has mainly focused on visual tools
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that are of a single horizon.
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Here, I'm talking about multiple,
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what I called stations or horizons.
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But what's very clear is that an ability to move
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from different visual stations,
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and to do that in a deliberate way,
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in a focused and conscious way,
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clearly maps to an ability to conceive of different goals
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over different periods of time,
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and I do believe can be greatly beneficial
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in allowing one to set particular goals
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and then move through the milestones to those goals,
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and to constantly update one's pursuit and reward
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in reaching those milestones,
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and eventually the overall goal.
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Per usual, I covered a lot of material today.
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We talked about some of the neuroscience and psychology
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and popular understanding of goal-seeking behavior,
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how to assess goals, et cetera.
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Talked about the beautiful work of Emily Balsettis
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at New York University and her work
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on the use of the visual system to better achieve goals.
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And indeed, things like visualization
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and why forecasting failure can be more effective
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than forecasting success,
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as counterintuitive as that might seem,
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that's what the data point to.
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And we talked about the importance of setting concrete plans
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and really what that means,
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and what intervals at which to assess progress,
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and what intervals at which to assess reward
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and how the dopamine system is involved.
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And in addition, I described this practice
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that one can incorporate as a daily or semi-daily practice
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of so-called space-time bridging,
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of using the visual system and your ability
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to deliberately step your visual system
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from stations that are within your body,
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so-called peripersonal or interoceptive space,
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out into the world further and further,
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and then back again in sequence,
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as a way to harness and cultivate
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and build up these systems that link vision, space, time,
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reward systems, and so forth.
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Ultimately, as you set out to accomplish your goals,
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there are going to be a number of basic steps
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that everyone will have to follow.
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You'll have to clearly identify
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what the long-arching ultimate goal is.
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You'll have to identify what the milestones will be.
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You might not know all of them at the outset,
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but you ought to have some idea about the intervals
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at which you are going to set those milestones
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and set your reward schedule for assessing progress
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in route to those milestones and your ultimate goal.
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My hope is that you'll be able to incorporate these tools,
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if not all of them, perhaps just one of them or two of them,
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in pursuit of whatever particular goals
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you happen to be focused on at this point and in the future.
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