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ADHD & How Anyone Can Improve Their Focus | Huberman Lab Podcast #37



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Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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where we discuss science and science-based tools
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for everyday life.
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I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology
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and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine.
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Today, we are going to talk all about
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attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD.
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We are also going to talk about normal levels of focus,
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what are normal levels of focus,
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and how all of us, whether or not we have ADHD or not,
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can improve our ability to focus,
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our ability to rule out distraction,
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turns out those are two separate things,
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as well as remember information better.
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We are also going to talk about
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how we can learn to relax while focusing,
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which turns out to be a critical component
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of learning new information
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and for coming up with new creative ideas.
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So whether or not you have ADHD or know someone who does,
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or if you're somebody who feels that they do not have ADHD,
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but would simply like to improve their ability to focus
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or to be more creative,
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this episode is definitely for you as well.
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We are going to talk about drug-based tools
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that are out there.
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We are going to talk about behavioral tools.
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We will talk about the role of diet and supplementation,
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and we will talk about
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new emerging brain machine interface devices
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things like transcranial magnetic stimulation.
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If you don't know what that is, don't worry.
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I will explain it to you.
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These are non-invasive methods for rewiring your brain
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in order to make focusing more natural for you
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and to teach you how to increase your depth of focus.
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Now, just a quick reminder
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that anytime we discuss a psychiatric disorder,
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it's important that we remember
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that all of us have the temptation to self-diagnose
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or to diagnose others.
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So as I list off some of the symptomology of ADHD,
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some of that symptomology might resonate with you.
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You might think, oh, maybe I have ADHD,
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or you might decide that someone you know
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definitely has ADHD.
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However, it is very important that you don't self-diagnose
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or diagnose somebody else.
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The clear and real diagnosis of ADHD
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really should be carried out by a psychiatrist, a physician,
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or a very well-trained clinical psychologist.
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There are clear criteria for what constitutes full-blown ADHD.
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However, many of us have constellations of symptoms
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that make us somewhat like somebody with ADHD.
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And if you're struggling with focus nowadays,
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as a lot of people are, because of stress,
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because of smartphone use,
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which turns out can induce adult ADHD, we'll talk about that,
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well, then pay attention to the symptomology.
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You may actually require professional treatment.
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You might not.
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Equally important is to remember that some of the terms
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that we cover like impulse control and attention
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and concentration are somewhat subjective
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and they can change over time.
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Sometimes we have a better level of attention than others.
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Maybe it depends on how we slept
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or other events going on in our life,
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or something that we're entirely unaware of.
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The important thing to remember
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is that we can all improve our attentional capacity.
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We can all rewire the circuits
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that make heightened levels of focus more accessible to us.
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We can do that through multiple types of interventions
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and we are going to cover all those interventions today.
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Before we march into the material,
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I'd like to remind that this podcast is separate
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from my teaching and research roles at Stanford.
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It is, however, part of my desire and effort
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to bring zero cost to consumer information about science
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and science-related tools to the general public.
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In keeping with that theme,
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So let's talk about ADHD,
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attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.
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Let's also talk about focus and attention
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and everybody's ability to focus and attend,
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not just people with ADHD.
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We are also going to talk about tools
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that would allow anyone, whether or not they have ADHD or not
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to enhance their level of concentration and focus.
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Now, ADHD used to be called ADD,
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attention deficit disorder.
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We have record of ADD in the medical literature
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dating back to as early as 1904.
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Now, there's nothing special about 1904.
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That's just the first time that it showed up
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in the standard medical literature.
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We have to believe that ADD, which we now call ADHD,
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existed before 1904 and probably long before 1904.
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Why?
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Well, because it has a strong genetic component.
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If you have a close relative that has ADHD,
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there's a much higher probability that you will have ADHD.
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And that probability goes up depending on how closely
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related to that person you happen to be.
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So for instance, if you're an identical twin
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and your twin has ADHD,
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there's a very high concordance, as we say,
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a very high probability that you will have ADHD,
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up to 75% chance.
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If you have a fraternal twin with ADHD,
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that number goes down a bit in the 50 to 60% range
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and so on.
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If you have a parent with ADHD,
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that number ranges anywhere from 10 to 25% likelihood
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that you will have ADHD if you have two parents
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and so on and so on.
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Okay, so there's a genetic component.
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That genetic component, it turns out,
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relates directly to how specific neural circuits
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in the brain wire up, the chemicals they use
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and the way they use those chemicals,
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a topic that we are going to discuss in depth today.
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Now, if you have a close relative with ADHD,
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that does not mean that you are fated to have ADHD.
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And if you happen to have ADHD,
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there are ways to overcome those symptoms
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of lack of attention, impulsivity, and so on.
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Another important point about ADHD
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is that it has nothing to do with intelligence.
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Whether or not we're talking about intelligence
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measured by a standard IQ test,
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a rather controversial issue as many of you probably know,
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there are lots of forms of intelligence
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that a standard IQ test just wouldn't pick up.
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Emotional intelligence, musical intelligence,
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spatial intelligence, all sorts of intelligences.
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None of them are related to ADHD.
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Being very high functioning doesn't make you more likely
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to have ADHD.
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And being ADHD doesn't necessarily mean
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that you have a low IQ.
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So there are people with ADHD who have low IQs,
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people with ADHD with high IQs,
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people with ADHD with high emotional IQ
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or with low IQ in the emotional scale.
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It's all over the place.
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The important point is that your ability to attend and focus
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does not relate to how smart you are
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or your IQ of any type, not just a standard IQ.
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The renaming of ADD to ADHD
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took place in the mid to late 1980s
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when the psychiatric community
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and the psychological community
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started taking better notice of the fact
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that so-called hyperactive kids also had attentional issues.
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This might seem obvious,
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but there's been extensive and ongoing revision
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of the criteria for designating a psychiatric disorder.
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And this is still an ongoing process, even today.
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So in the mid 80s, we started hearing about ADHD
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and then gradually that term ADD has been dropped away.
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However, just the renaming of ADD to ADHD
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has led to much better diagnosis and detection of ADHD.
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So right now, the current estimates
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are that about one in 10 children
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and probably more have ADHD.
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The current estimates are anywhere from 10%,
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one in 10, to as high as 12%.
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Now, fortunately, about half of those
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will resolve with proper treatment,
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but the other half typically don't.
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The other thing that we are seeing a lot nowadays
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is increased levels of ADHD in adults.
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And there's some question
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as to whether or not those adults had ADHD
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that went undetected during their childhood
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or whether or not ADHD is now cropping up in adulthood
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due to the way that we are interacting with the world.
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In particular, smartphone use,
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the combination of email, text, real world interactions,
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multiple apps and streams of media and social media
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all coming in at once, trying to manage life,
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all of the things that are going on
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are creating a kind of cloud of pulls on our attention.
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And so there is this question
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to whether or not we are creating ADHD in adults
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that never had ADHD prior to being an adult.
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So let's talk about attention.
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And first, let's just define what we mean by attention.
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Out there in the scientific literature
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and in discussions about ADHD,
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we will hear things like attention and focus
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and concentration and impulse control.
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For sake of today's discussion,
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attention, focus and concentration
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are essentially the same thing, okay?
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We could split hairs and the scientific literature
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does split hairs about these,
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but if we want to understand the biology
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and we want to have a straightforward conversation
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about ADHD, if I say attention or focus,
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I'm basically referring to the same thing
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unless I specify otherwise, okay?
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So people with ADHD have trouble holding their attention.
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What is attention?
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Well, attention is perception.
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It's how we are perceiving the sensory world.
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So just a little bit of neurobiology 101,
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we are sensing things all the time.
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There's information coming into our nervous system
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all the time.
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For instance, right now, you're hearing sound waves,
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you are seeing things,
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you are sensing things against your skin,
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but you are only paying attention to some of those.
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And the ones that you're paying attention to
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are your perceptions.
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So if you hear my voice, you are perceiving my voice.
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You are not paying attention to your other senses
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at the moment, okay?
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You might even be outside in a breeze.
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And until I said that,
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you might not be perceiving that breeze,
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but your body was sensing it all along.
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So attention and focus are more or less the same thing,
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but impulse control is something separate
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because impulse control requires pushing out
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or putting the blinders on
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to sensory events in our environment.
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It means lack of perception.
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Impulse control is about limiting our perception.
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Because people with ADHD have poor attention
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and they have high levels of impulsivity.
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They are easily distractible.
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But the way that shows up is very surprising.
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You might think that people with ADHD
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just simply can't attend to anything.
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They really can't focus even if they really want to,
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but that's simply not the case.
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People with ADHD, yes, they are distractible.
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Yes, they are impulsive.
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Yes, they are easily annoyed
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by things happening in the room.
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They sometimes have a high level of emotionality as well.
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Not always, but often.
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However, people with ADHD can have a hyper-focus,
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an incredible ability to focus
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on things that they really enjoy or are intrigued by.
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Now, this is a very important point
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because typically we think of somebody with ADHD
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as being really wild and hyperactive
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or having no ability whatsoever to sit still and attend.
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And while that phenotype, as we call it,
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that contour of behavior and cognition can exist,
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many people, if not all people with ADHD,
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if you give them something they really love,
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like if the child loves video games
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or if a child loves to draw
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or if an adult loves a particular type of movie
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or a person very much,
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they will obtain laser focus without any effort.
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So that tells us that people with ADHD
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have the capacity to attend,
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but they can't engage that attention
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for things that they don't really, really want to do.
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And as we all know, much of life,
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whether or not you're a child or an adult,
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involves doing a lot of things that we don't want to do.
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Much of our schooling involves doing things
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that we would prefer not to do
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and sort of forcing ourselves to do it,
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to attend even though we are not super interested
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in what we are attending to.
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There are a couple other things
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that people with ADHD display quite often.
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One is challenges with time perception.
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Now, time perception is a fascinating aspect
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of how our brain works.
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And later we're going to talk about time perception
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and how you can actually get better at time perception.
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It's very likely that right now you are doing things
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that get in the way of optimal time perception.
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And I will tell you how to adjust your ability
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to measure time with your brain.
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People with ADHD often run late.
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They often procrastinate.
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But what's interesting and surprising
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is that if they are given a deadline,
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they actually can perceive time very well.
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And they often can focus very well
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if the consequences of not completing a task
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or not attending are severe enough.
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It's a little bit like the way that people with ADHD
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can really focus if they like something.
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Well, if they're scared enough
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about the consequences of not attending,
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oftentimes, not always, but oftentimes they can attend.
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If they're not really concerned
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about a deadline or a consequence,
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well, then they tend to lose track of time
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and they tend to underestimate how long things will take.
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Now, many people do that, not just people with ADHD,
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but people with ADHD have challenges
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understanding how to line up the activities of their day
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in order to meet particular deadlines,
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even if it's just a simple thing
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like finishing one set of tasks before lunch.
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Oftentimes, they will remember that lunch starts at noon,
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but somehow they aren't able to fill the intervening time
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in a way that's productive.
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And they can obsess about the upcoming deadline,
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for instance.
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We will talk about how to remedy this.
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In addition, their spatial organization skills
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are often subpar, not always,
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but often you will find that somebody with ADHD
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uses what's called the pile system
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in order to organize things.
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They will take many belongings
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and this could be in the kitchen or in their bedroom
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or in their office or in any space,
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and they will start piling things up
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according to a categorization system
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that makes sense to them and only them.
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It doesn't really have any logical framework.
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Now, many people use the pile system
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and if you use the pile system,
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that doesn't mean that you have ADHD.
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In fact, if you're unpacking a house
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or you've moved recently
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or you've received a lot of presents recently,
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the pile system makes perfect sense to organize your space.
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But people with ADHD tend to organize things
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according to the pile system all the time
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and that pile system doesn't work for them.
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So that's the key distinction,
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that they use a filing system and it's not really files,
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they're piling things up in a way that makes sense to them,
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but then it doesn't work for them
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in terms of what task they actually need to perform.
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They can't find things or if anyone moves one thing,
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then it's very disruptive to their overall plan
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because their overall plan
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doesn't really work in the first place.
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So that's a common phenotype as we call it.
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A phenotype by the way is just an expression
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of a particular set of underlying genetic
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or psychological components, okay?
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So we see the phenotype.
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So a phenotype could be brown hair and green eyes,
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like for me, a phenotype could also be
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that somebody uses the piling system, okay?
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The other thing that people with ADHD have real trouble with
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is so-called working memory.
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Now you might think that people with ADHD
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would have really poor memories,
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but in fact, that's not the case.
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People with ADHD often can have a terrific memory
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for past events,
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they can remember upcoming events quite well,
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their memory is clearly working.
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However, one aspect of memory in particular
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that we call working memory is often disrupted.
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Working memory is the ability
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to keep specific information online,
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to recycle it in your brain over and over again
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so that you can use it in the immediate or short term.
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A good example of this would be you meet somebody,
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they tell you their name,
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they give you their phone number verbally,
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and you have to walk back to your phone
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and enter it into your phone.
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People without ADHD might have to put some effort into it,
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it might feel like a bit of a struggle,
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but typically they would be able to recite
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that phone number in their mind over and over
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and then put it into their phone.
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People with ADHD tend to lose the ability
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or lack the ability to remember things
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that they just need to keep online
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for anywhere from 10 seconds to a minute or two, okay?
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So a string of numbers like six, four, three, seven, eight,
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one for most people would be pretty easy.
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Six, four, three, seven, eight, one,
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six, four, three, seven, eight, one,
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you could probably remember that a minute from now
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without writing it down.
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But if you add one more number
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to that six, four, three, seven, eight, one, three,
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it gets tougher, okay?
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So there's a reason why phone numbers
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typically have seven digits in them.
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Of course, there's an area code,
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but remembering information that strings out longer
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than seven numbers or a sentence or two,
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that's challenging for most people.
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People with ADHD have severe challenges
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even with much smaller batches of information
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over even much smaller batches of time.
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Deficits in working memory are also something
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that we see in people who have frontotemporal dementia,
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so damage to the frontal lobes,
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or age-related cognitive decline.
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And so it will come as no surprise
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that later when we discuss treatments, supplements,
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and other tools for ADHD,
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that many of those treatments, supplements,
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and tools for ADHD are similar to the ones
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that work for age-related cognitive decline.
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Okay, so we've more or less established
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the kind of menu of items
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that people with ADHD tend to have.
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Some have all of them, some have just a subset of them.
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Their severity can range from very intense to mild,
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but in general, it's challenges with attention and focus,
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challenges with impulse control,
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they get annoyed easily, they have kind of an impulsivity,
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they can't stay on task, time perception can be off,
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they use the piling system or a system
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that doesn't work well for them
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in order to organize their things in physical space,
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and they have a hard time with anything that's mundane
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that they're not really interested in.
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But again, I just want to highlight
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that people with ADHD are able
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to obtain heightened levels of focus,
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even hyper-focus for things that are exciting to them
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and that they really want to engage in.
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So now you have the contour of what ADHD is.
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And if you're somebody who doesn't have ADHD,
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you should also be asking yourself
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which aspects of ADHD are similar to things
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I've experienced before,
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because what we know about the healthy brain
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is that there's also a range of abilities to focus.
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Some people focus very well on any task.
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You give them a task, they can just laser in on that task.
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Other people, they have to kind of fight an internal battle.
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They have to convince themselves
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that it's important or interesting.
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They have to kind of incentivize themselves internally.
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Other people, doesn't matter.
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They could be bored to tears with the information,
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but they can do it just because they are,
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quote unquote, very disciplined people.
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We tend to admire those people,
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but as you'll see a little bit later,
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it's not clear that that's the best way
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to run your attentional system.
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There might be something to this business
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of having heightened levels of attention
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for the things that you are most interested or excited by.
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So let's drill into this issue
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of why people with ADHD actually can focus very intensely
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on things that they enjoy and are curious about.
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Now, enjoyment and curiosity are psychological terms.
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They're not even really psychological terms.
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They're just the way that we describe our human experience
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of liking things, wanting to know more about them.
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But from a neurobiological perspective,
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they have a very clear identity and signature,
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and that's dopamine.
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Dopamine is released from neurons.
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It's what we call a neuromodulator.
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And as a neuromodulator,
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it changes the activity of the circuits in the brain
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such that certain circuits are more active than others.
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And in particular, dopamine creates
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a heightened state of focus.
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It tends to contract our visual world,
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and it tends to make us pay attention
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to things that are outside
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and beyond the confines of our skin.
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It's what we call exteroception.
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Dopamine also tends to put us in a state of motivation
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and wanting things outside the confines of our skin.
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So whether or not we're pursuing something physical
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in our world, or whether or not we're pursuing information
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in our outside world, dopamine is largely responsible
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for our ability and our drive to do that.
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But dopamine as a neuromodulator is also involved
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in changing the way that we perceive the world.
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So as I mentioned earlier,
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you have all these senses coming in
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and you can only perceive some of them
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because you're only paying attention to some of them.
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Dopamine, when it's released in our brain,
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tends to turn on areas of our brain
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that narrow our visual focus and our auditory focus.
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So it creates a cone of auditory attention
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that's very narrow,
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creates a tunnel of visual attention that's very narrow.
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Whereas when we have less dopamine,
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we tend to view the entire world.
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We tend to see the whole scene that we are in.
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We tend to hear everything all at once.
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So as I describe this,
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hopefully you're already starting to see and understand
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how having dopamine release can allow a person,
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whether or not they have ADHD or not,
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to direct their attention to particular things
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in their environment, right?
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So now what we're doing is we're moving away from attention
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as this kind of vague, ambiguous term,
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and we're giving it a neurochemical identity, dopamine,
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and we are giving it a neural circuit identity.
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And just to put a little bit of flavor and detail
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on which neurocircuits those are,
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I wanted to discuss two general types of neural circuits
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that dopamine tends to enhance.
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So let's talk neural circuits.
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And for those of you that love hearing
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neuroscience nomenclature, you're going to eat this part up.
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And for those of you that don't like a lot of names
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of brain areas, I invite you to tune out
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or just try and grab the top contour of this.
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I will describe it in pretty general terms,
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but I will give some detail,
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because I know there are some of you out there
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who really want to dig deeper into what the exact structures
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and connectivity is are, okay?
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So there are two main types of circuits
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that we need to think about with respect to ADHD,
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attention and dopamine.
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The first one is called the default mode network.
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The default mode network is the network of brain areas
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in your brain and my brain and in everybody's brain
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that is active when we're not doing anything,
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when we're just sitting there idle at rest.
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Now, it's very hard to not think about anything,
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but when you're not engaged in any type of specific task,
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so you're not driving, you're not playing a video game,
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you're not trying to study, you're not trying to listen,
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you're just sitting there,
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letting your brain kind of go wherever it wants to go,
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your default mode network underlies that state of mind.
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The other set of circuits that we're going to think about
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and talk about with respect to ADHD are the task networks.
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The networks of the brain that make you goal-oriented
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or that are at least trying to make you goal-oriented.
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And those are a completely different set of brain areas.
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However, the default mode network and these task networks
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are communicating with one another,
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and they're doing that in very interesting ways.
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So first I want to describe how these two sets
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of brain areas, the default mode network
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and the task networks normally interact, okay?
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So little bit of naming here.
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Again, feel free to ignore it
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if you don't want this level of detail,
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but the default mode network includes an area
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called the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex.
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Frontal cortex, no surprises in the front,
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and you have a dorsal, the top, and side lateral part,
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dorsolateral prefrontal cortex.
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You got one on each side of your brain, right?
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And then you have a brain area
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called the posterior cingulate cortex.
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And then you have an area called the lateral parietal lobe.
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Again, you don't need to remember these names,
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but these are three brain areas that normally
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are synchronized in their activity.
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So when one of these areas is active in a typical person,
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the other areas would be active as well.
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So it's a little bit like a symphony or a band,
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like a three-piece band.
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It's like drums, guitar, and bass.
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They're playing together, okay?
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That's how it is in a typical person,
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in a person with ADHD,
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or even a person who has subclinical ADHD,
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or in any human being who hasn't slept well,
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what you find is the default mode network
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is not synchronized.
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These brain areas are just not playing well together.
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Now, the task networks include
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a different set of structures.
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It still involves the prefrontal cortex,
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but it's a different part of the prefrontal cortex, okay?
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Tends to be the medial prefrontal cortex.
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And there are some other brain areas
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that the medial prefrontal cortex
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is communicating to all the time,
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mainly to suppress impulses.
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It's shutting down the desire to stand up
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or to scratch the side of your cheek or your nose
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if you're trying not to do that.
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Anytime you're restricting your behavior,
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these task-directed networks are very active, okay?
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Now, normally, in a person without ADHD,
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the task networks and the default mode networks
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are going in kind of seesaw fashion.
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They are actually what we call anti-correlated.
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So it's not just that they are not correlated.
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They are actually opposing one another.
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They are anti-correlated.
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In a person with ADHD, the default mode networks
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and the task networks are actually more coordinated.
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That might come as surprising.
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I think that we all have this tendency
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to kind of jump to conclusion
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and assume that somebody who doesn't have
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an easy time paying attention or has ADHD,
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that their brain must be completely incoherent,
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that it's not working well
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because everything's out of whack.
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But there's something interesting about people with ADHD
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whereby the task networks and the default mode networks
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are actually working together in a way that's correlated,
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and that is what's abnormal.
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So this would be like the guitar, bass, and the drums
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playing together in a way
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where the bass isn't keeping the backbeat
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and the drums aren't keeping the backbeat,
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that they're playing together,
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they're all playing the melodies and harmonies
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in a way that just doesn't sound right.
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That's what's going on in the brain of somebody with ADHD.
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And we can now confidently say,
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based on brain imaging studies,
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that when somebody gets better
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when they're treated for ADHD
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or when they age out of ADHD, as sometimes is the case,
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that the default mode networks and the task networks
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tend to become anti-correlated again, okay?
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So that's the underlying neurobiology,
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but you'll notice that I didn't mention dopamine at all.
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What dopamine is doing in this context
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is dopamine is acting like a conductor.
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Dopamine is saying this circuit should be active,
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then that circuit should be active.
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It should be default mode network,
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and then when the default mode network is not active,
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then it should be the task network.
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So it's really acting as a conductor saying,
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you go, now you go, now you go, now you go.
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And in ADHD, there's something about the dopamine system
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that is not allowing it to conduct these networks
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and make sure that they stay what the engineers
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or physicists or mathematicians would say out of phase
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to be anti-correlated, okay?
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Out of phase and anti-correlated,
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essentially the same thing,
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at least for purposes of this discussion.
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So that raises two questions.
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Could it be that dopamine is not at sufficiently high levels
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or could it be that dopamine is just doing it all wrong?
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In other words, is there no conductor
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or is the conductor playing with little tiny toothpicks
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and so the instruments can't see what they're supposed to do
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they can't get the instruction
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because it's just not loud enough, so to speak,
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or could it be that the information is getting out
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but the information that's getting out is wrong.
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The conductor is there
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but the conductor isn't very good at conducting.
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Now we can gain insight into how this system works and fails
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and how to treat it by looking at some of the current
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and previous treatments for ADHD,
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as well as some of the recreational drugs
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that people with ADHD tend to pursue and like.
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Now I'm certainly not a proponent of people with ADHD
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taking drugs recreationally, that's not what this is about.
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But if you look at their drug seeking behavior
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and you couple that drug seeking behavior
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to their desire to remedy their attention deficit,
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you start getting some really interesting insight
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into how dopamine is regulating these circuits
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in normal circumstances and in people with ADHD.
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So what exactly is going on with the dopamine system
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in people with ADHD?
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And what's going on with the dopamine system
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in people that have terrific levels of attention
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for any task?
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Well, in the year 2015, an important paper came out,
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the first author is Spencer
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and it came out in a journal called Biological Psychiatry
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and it formalized the so-called low dopamine hypothesis
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of ADHD.
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The idea that dopamine was somehow involved
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or not at the appropriate levels in people with ADHD
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had been around for a pretty long time,
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but a formal proposition of the low dopamine hypothesis
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led to some really important experiments and understanding
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of what goes wrong in ADHD.
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It turns out that if dopamine levels are too low
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in particular circuits in the brain,
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that it leads to unnecessary firing of neurons in the brain
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that are unrelated to the task that one is trying to do
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and that is unrelated to the information
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that one is trying to focus on.
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So if you think back before,
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you've got this default mode network
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and a task-related network and they need to be
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in this kind of concert of anti-correlation and an ADHD,
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they're firing together.
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Well, the problem seems to be that when dopamine is low,
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certain neurons are firing when they shouldn't be.
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This is like a band, right?
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We'll go back to our band, that's a guitar, a bass
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and a person playing the drums.
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And it's as if one of those or several of those instruments
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are playing notes when they shouldn't be playing, right?
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The pauses in music are just as important
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as the actual playing of notes.
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When dopamine is too low, neurons fire more than they should
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in these networks that govern attention.
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This is the so-called low dopamine hypothesis.
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And if you start looking anecdotally
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at what people with ADHD have done for decades,
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not just recently since the low dopamine hypothesis
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has been proposed, but what they were doing in the 1950s
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and in the 1940s and the 1960s,
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what you find is that they tend to use recreational drugs
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or they tend to indulge in non-drug stimulants.
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So things like drinking six cups of coffee
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or quadruple espressos, or when it was more prominent,
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smoking a half a pack of cigarettes
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and drinking four cups of coffee a day.
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Or if the person had access to it,
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using cocaine as a recreational drug
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or amphetamine as a recreational drug,
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all of those substances that I just described,
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in particular cocaine and amphetamine,
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but also coffee and cigarettes,
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increased levels of multiple neurotransmitters,
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but all have the quality of increasing levels of dopamine
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in the brain and in particular in the regions of the brain
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that regulate attention and these task-related
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and default mode networks, okay?
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Now, young children fortunately don't have access
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to those kinds of stimulants.
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Most of the time.
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And those stimulants all have high potential
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for abuse in adults.
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So we will talk about the potential for abuse
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in a few minutes.
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But if you look at children,
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even very young children with ADHD,
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they show things like preference for sugary foods,
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which also act as dopamine inducing stimulants.
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Now, of course, once they get access to soda pop
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and coffee and tea, they start to indulge in those
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more than other people.
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For a long time, it was thought that children with ADHD
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consumed too many sugary foods or drank too much soda,
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or adults with ADHD would take recreational drugs
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like methamphetamine or cocaine,
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or would drink coffee to excess
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or smoke cigarettes to excess
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because they had poor levels of attention
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and because they couldn't make good decisions,
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they were too impulsive and so forth.
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And while that certainly could be the case,
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knowing what we now know about dopamine
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and the fact that having enough dopamine is required
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in order to coordinate these neural circuits
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that allow for focus and quality decision-making,
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an equally valid idea is that these children
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and these adults are actually trying to self-medicate
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by pursuing these compounds, right?
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Things like cocaine lead to huge increases in dopamine.
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Well, what happens when somebody with ADHD takes that drug?
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It turns out they actually obtain heightened levels
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of focus, their ability to focus on things
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other than things they absolutely care intensely about
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goes up.
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Likewise, children who consume anything
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that increases their levels of dopamine,
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if those children have ADHD, they tend to be calmer.
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They tend to be able to focus more.
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Now, this is very different than children
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who do not have ADHD.
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When they consume too much sugar,
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they tend to become super hyperactive.
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When they consume any kind of stimulant,
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they tend to go wild and run around like crazy.
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I actually have an anecdote about this
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just to illustrate it.
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I have a friend, he has two children
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that are now in their teens and 20s,
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but when they were little,
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one time I brought them some chocolate just as a gift
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when I showed up at their house.
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And within 30 minutes,
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the kids were running around like crazy.
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I mean, they were pretty high energy kids,
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but they were going bonkers.
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And that's actually when the mother,
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my friend at the time, unfortunately still now,
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looked at the chocolate
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and realized that it was chocolate with espresso beans
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and it was like dark chocolate espresso beans.
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So I was really at fault there.
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You don't want to give kids
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dark chocolate with espresso beans,
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but what you're really seeing in that hyperactivity,
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that is dopamine, okay?
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It's the sugar combined with the caffeine in this case,
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combined with a few other compounds that exist in chocolate
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that really increase our levels of alertness
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and our tendency to want to move around a lot.
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Okay, so dopamine and low levels of dopamine
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apparently are what's wrong in people with ADHD.
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That dopamine hypothesis is what led to the idea
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that treating people, children and adults included,
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with dopaminergic compounds
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would somehow increase their ability to focus.
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And if you look at the major drugs that were developed
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and now marketed by pharmaceutical companies
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for the treatment of ADHD,
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those drugs have names like Ritalin.
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Nowadays, it's typically things like Adderall,
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Modafinil, and some of the other derivatives,
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they all serve to increase levels of dopamine,
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in particular dopamine in the networks
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that control task-directed behavior
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and that coordinate the default mode network
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and these task-related networks.
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So many of you have probably heard of Ritalin.
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Ritalin is a prescription stimulant
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that is prescribed for ADHD as well as for narcolepsy.
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Narcolepsy is a condition
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in which people tend to fall asleep during the daytime
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quite a lot, excessive daytime sleepiness,
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not due to lack of sleep at night,
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but also tend to fall asleep when they get excited.
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If they're really emotionally excited or about to eat
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or any other kind of activity
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that would normally get somebody really aroused and alert,
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people with narcolepsy tend to fall asleep
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or they tend to become what's called cataplectic.
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They tend to just sort of go limp in the muscles.
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So it's this invasion of sleep into the daytime.
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It's dysregulated by emotion.
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You can imagine why a stimulant,
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something that would wake you up,
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make you very alert, focused, and motivated
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would be a good treatment for narcolepsy.
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Adderall also is used to treat ADHD
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and to treat narcolepsy.
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Things like modafinil also used to treat ADHD
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and narcolepsy.
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So you're sensing a theme here.
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So what are the differences and similarities
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between these drugs?
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And what can that tell us about ADHD?
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Well, Ritalin was one of the first-generation drugs
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that was prescribed for ADHD
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in order to deal head-on with this dopamine hypothesis,
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this idea that in ADHD, dopamine levels are too low.
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Nowadays, Adderall is the more typically prescribed drug
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for ADHD.
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That has to do with some of the so-called pharmacokinetics,
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the rate at which those drugs enter the system
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and how long they last in the system.
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So for instance, Ritalin was a drug that was packaged
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into various time-release formulas,
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whereas initially Adderall was only released in a form
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that had a very short life,
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so meaning that it wasn't in the bloodstream very long
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and didn't affect the brain for very long.
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And so the dosages could be controlled
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in a more typical way
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without going into a lot of tangential detail.
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As you all know, at different times of day,
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you tend to be more or less alert.
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So a long sustained release drug
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while that might sound like a really terrific thing,
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if that drug is having an effect of making you more alert
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and it's released across very many hours of your day,
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there might be periods of your day when you feel too alert,
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periods of your day when you feel just right
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and periods of your day
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when you wished that you were more alert.
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These are some of the pharmacokinetics,
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kinetics meaning movement of the different compounds
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within the bloodstream and brain that could,
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you could imagine in a very real way would impact
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whether or not someone would feel really good
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on one of these drugs
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or whether or not they would feel too anxious
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or too sleepy and so on.
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Let's take a step back for a second
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and just ask what are these drugs?
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We know they increase dopamine, but what are they really?
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Well, Ritalin also called methylphenidate
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is very similar to amphetamine, speed
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or what's typically called speed
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in the street drug nomenclature.
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Adderall, which goes by various other names, okay?
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So Adderall, Adderall XR, Midacis, things like that.
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Adderall is basically a combination of amphetamine
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and dextro amphetamine.
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Now, some of you probably realize this
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that Adderall is amphetamine,
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but I'm guessing that there are a good number
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of you out there, perhaps even parents and kids
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that don't realize that these drugs like cocaine
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and amphetamine, methamphetamine,
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which are incredibly dangerous
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and incredibly habit forming
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and have high potential for abuse.
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Well, the pharmaceutical versions of those
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are exactly what are used to treat ADHD.
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Now, they're not exactly like cocaine or methamphetamine,
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but they are structurally and chemically very similar
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and their net effect in the brain and body
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is essentially the same,
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which is to increase dopamine primarily,
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but also to increase levels of a neuromodulator
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called epinephrine or norepinephrine,
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also called noradrenaline and adrenaline.
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Those names are the same.
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And to some extent, to increase levels of serotonin
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in the brain and blood, but not so much serotonin,
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that's just kind of a small smidgen of effect, okay?
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So dopamine way up, norepinephrine and adrenaline way up.
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So that's motivation, drive, focus, and energy.
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And to some extent, a little bit of serotonin,
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which is really more about feeling calm and relaxed.
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And you could imagine why
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that would be a good balancing effect
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for dopamine and norepinephrine.
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So what I'm essentially saying
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is that the drugs that are used to treat ADHD are stimulants
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and they look very much like, in fact,
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nearly identical to some of the so-called
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street drug stimulants that we all hear are so terrible.
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However, I do want to emphasize
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that at the appropriate dosages
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and working with a quality psychiatrist
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or neurologist or family physician,
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it does have to be a board certified MD
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that prescribes these things,
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many people with ADHD achieve excellent relief
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with these drugs, not all of them, but many of them do,
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especially if these treatments are started early in life.
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So now knowing what these drugs are,
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I want to raise the question of why prescribe these drugs?
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I mean, everyone has to make a decision for themselves
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or for their child as to whether or not
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they're going to take these things or not.
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I also want to acknowledge that many people out there,
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many, many people out there are taking these drugs
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even though they have not been clinically diagnosed
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with ADHD.
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And when I say these drugs,
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I'm specifically referring to Ritalin and Adderall
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and Modafinil, but more typically it's Adderall, okay?
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People using cocaine and amphetamine
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for recreational purposes,
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that's a completely different beast
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and it is indeed a beast
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and it's something that I strongly discourage.
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However, I am aware that up to 25% of college students
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and perhaps as many as 35% of all individuals
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between the ages of 17 and 30 are taking Adderall
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on a regular or semi-regular basis in order to work,
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in order to study and in order to function
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and focus in their daily life,
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even though they have not been diagnosed with ADHD.
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There's a whole black market for this,
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they're getting it from people with prescriptions.
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I'm not here to pass judgment,
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I just want to emphasize how these drugs work,
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some of the things that they do to enhance cognition
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and focus that actually serve the brain well
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in certain individuals
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and how they can be very detrimental in other individuals.
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I sort of blew right past it,
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but the fact that in upwards of 25% of young people
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are taking things like Adderall,
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despite not having a clinical diagnosis of ADHD,
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well, that's a ridiculously high number.
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A few years ago,
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it was estimated that Adderall use and Ritalin use
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without diagnosis of ADHD
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was second in incident only to cannabis,
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but actually now the consumption of Adderall
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without prescription is higher than the consumption
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of cannabis in that age group.
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So what that means is that there's a lot of stimulant use
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in that age group.
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And there are a lot of adults also
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using and abusing stimulants in order to gain focus.
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Then we could have a whole discussion
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about whether or not life is becoming more demanding,
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whether or not the need for focus is excessive
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and that's why people are doing that.
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Frankly, it's an interesting discussion,
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but it's not one that would deliver us to any answers.
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Rather, I'd like to focus on the ways that people now
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and people have always been self-medicating
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to increase focus, right?
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Caffeine, which I indulge some, I don't think to access,
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has long been used as a stimulant to increase dopamine,
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increase norepinephrine, increase focus and energy.
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And in addition to that,
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it works through the so-called cyclic AMP,
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phosphodiesterase pathway.
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Remember, anytime you hear an ASE, that's an enzyme.
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Phosphodiesterase is involved in the conversion
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of things like cyclic AMP into energy for cells and so forth.
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Basically, coffee gives you energy, it makes you feel good.
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And it increases focus because of the circuits
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that it engages in the brain.
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People have been taking caffeine
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and continue to take caffeine for ages.
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People also used to smoke cigarettes, nicotine,
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in order to gain focus.
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Nowadays, that's less common because of the concerns,
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quite valid concerns about lung cancer from smoking,
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but there's a lot of vaping out there.
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There are a lot of people now consuming nicotine,
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which is the active substance in cigarettes
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and in most nicotine vapes,
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that stimulates the brain to be more focused and more alert.
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So the idea of taking stimulants,
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of consuming things or smoking things
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in order to increase alertness is not a new idea.
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It's just that in ADHD,
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it's surprising that these things would work, right?
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I mean, if the problem is attention deficit
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hyperactivity disorder,
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what we're really talking about here
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or children that are prescribed a drug
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that ought to be a stimulant,
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it ought to make them hyper hyperactive.
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And rather than doing that,
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it actually somehow serves to calm them a bit
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or at least allow them to focus.
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Here's the reason.
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Children have a brain that's very plastic,
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meaning it can remodel itself and change in response
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to experience very, very quickly compared to adults.
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Taking stimulants as a child,
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if you are a child diagnosed with ADHD,
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allows that forebrain task-related network
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to come online, to be active at the appropriate times.
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And because those children are young,
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it allows those children to learn what focus is
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and to sort of follow or enter that tunnel of focus.
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Now, by taking a drug, it's creating focus artificially.
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It's not creating focus
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because they're super interested in something.
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It's chemically inducing a state of focus.
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And let's face it, a lot of childhood and school
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and becoming a functional adult
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is about learning how to focus
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even though you don't want to do something.
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In fact, when I was in college,
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I had this little trick that may or may not work
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for some of you, which is if I couldn't focus
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on the material I was trying to learn,
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I would delude myself into thinking
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that it was the most interesting thing in the world.
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I would just kind of lie to myself and tell myself,
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okay, this, I won't mention the subjects.
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I absolutely love this.
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I would just, I would tell myself that I loved it.
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And I noticed that just that selective
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or deliberate engagement of that desire to know circuit,
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whatever that is in my brain, no doubt involves dopamine,
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allowed me to focus and remember the information.
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And somewhat surprisingly, or perhaps not surprisingly,
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I would often fall in love with the information.
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I find that that was my favorite class.
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It was what I wanted to learn the most.
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So that's one way you can do it artificially,
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but kids with ADHD, they can't do that, right?
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They're told to sit still
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and they end up getting up 11 times.
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You know, they are told that they can't speak out in class
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or that they have to remain in their seats for 10 minutes.
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And they just, despite their best effort,
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they simply cannot do it.
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They're highly distractible.
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So what are we to make of this whole picture
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that we need more dopamine, but these kids with ADHD,
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they're getting their dopamine by way of a drug,
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which is for all the world, amphetamines, right?
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It's speed.
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That's really what it is.
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What are the long-term consequences?
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What are the short-term consequences?
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And what should we make of people taking these drugs
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without a clinical need?
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What are the consequences there?
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Well, in order to get to some of those answers,
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I went to one of my colleagues.
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This is a colleague that I've actually known
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for a very long time.
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I was their teaching assistant
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when they were an undergraduate.
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They went on to get an MD, a medical degree,
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as well as a PhD and have become a pediatric neurologist
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that specializes in the treatment of epilepsy
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and ADHD in kids of all ages, from age three to 21.
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That's the age range, pretty broad age range,
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and has extensive knowledge in this.
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And what makes them particularly interesting
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for sake of this discussion is that they have a child,
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a young boy, who's now showing signs of ADHD,
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and they are on the threshold of trying to decide
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whether or not they will prescribe Adderall
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or something similar.
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So we had a discussion about this.
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And prior to learning that their child may have ADHD,
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I asked the following questions.
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First of all, I asked,
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what do you think about giving young kids amphetamine?
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And their answer was, you know, on the face of it,
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it seems crazy,
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but provided that the lowest possible dose is used
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and that that dosage is modulated as they grow older
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and develop those powers of attention,
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their observation was that they've seen more kids benefit
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than not benefit from that.
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Now, I'm certainly not saying what people should do.
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You obviously have to go to a doctor,
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because as I always say, I'm not a doctor.
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I don't prescribe anything.
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I'm a professor, so I profess things.
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And here I'm professing that you talk to your doctor
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if you're considering giving Ritalin or Adderall
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or any type of stimulant to your child, of course.
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00:53:41.440
What could be more important than the health of your child?
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But it was a very interesting answer
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because typically we hear, yes, medicate or don't medicate.
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Rarely do we hear that the medication should be adjusted
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across the lifespan and in any particular kind of way.
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Now, the fact that this person,
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this now friend of mine and colleague of mine
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has so much expertise in the way that the brain works
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and is considering putting their child on such medication,
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I said, you know,
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why wouldn't you wait until your kid reaches puberty?
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I mean, we know that in boys and in girls,
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there are increases in testosterone and estrogen
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during puberty that dramatically change
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the way that the body appears,
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but also that dramatically changed the way
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that the brain functions.
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In particular, we know this,
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that puberty triggers the activation
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of so-called frontotemporal task-related
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executive functioning.
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That's just fancy science speak for being able to focus,
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being able to direct your attention,
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being able to control your impulses.
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Look at a small child or look at a puppy
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and then look at an older child
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or look at a dog, very different levels,
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patterns of spontaneous behavior.
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Young children move around a lot.
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They're, I don't want to say shifty
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because that makes it sound like
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they're up to something bad, which they might be,
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but they don't have to be up to something bad.
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They fidget a lot, so do puppies.
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Everything's a stimulus.
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As animals and humans get older,
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they learn how to control their behavior and sit still,
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listen and focus, even if they don't want to.
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So giving a drug that allows a child
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to access that stillness early on,
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it's thought will allow them to maintain
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that ability as time goes on.
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But I decided to push a little bit further.
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I said, well, why would you do it now
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as opposed to during puberty or after puberty?
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And their answer was very specific
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and I think very important.
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What they said was, look,
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neuroplasticity is greatest in childhood
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and tapers off after about age 25,
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but neuroplasticity from age three
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until age 12 or 13 is exceedingly high.
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And they're right.
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When you sit back and you look
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at the literature on neuroplasticity,
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you'd say childhood plasticity and young adult plasticity
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is much greater than adult plasticity,
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but that early childhood plasticity is far and away
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the period in which you can reshape the brain
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at an accelerated rate.
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So this lines up really well with the clinical literature.
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Not surprisingly, they're a clinician.
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That early treatment is key.
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If you have the opportunity to work with a quality physician
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and treat these things early,
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these drugs can allow these frontal circuits,
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these task-related circuits,
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to achieve their appropriate levels of functioning
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and for kids to learn how to focus
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in a variety of different contexts.
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Now, is that the only thing that they should be doing?
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Of course not.
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So the next question I asked was,
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what should we make of all this diet-related stuff, right?
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I've heard before that the so-called elimination diet
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or ingesting no sugars or no dairy or no gluten,
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that all of these things have been purported
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to improve symptoms of ADHD.
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And people and parents with ADHD go to fanatic lengths
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to try and find the exact foods that are causing problems
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and the exact foods that the kids can eat
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in order to try and get their brain wired up right
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and correctly and to avoid lifelong ADHD.
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And their answer was really interesting.
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But before I tell you their answer,
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I want to tell you the studies and the data
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related to this question of whether or not food
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and the constellation of foods that one avoids and will eat
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has anything to do with our levels of attention,
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and in particular, whether or not that can be used
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as a leverage point to treat ADHD.
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So you can imagine the challenges of exploring the role
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of diet and nutrition in any study,
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but especially in a study on ADHD.
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Why?
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Well, because as I mentioned before,
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children with ADHD and it turns out adults with ADHD
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tend to pursue sugary foods or any types of food
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that increase their levels of dopamine.
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They are naturally drawn to those foods,
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whether or not they realize it or not,
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presumably as a way to try and treat
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their lack of focus and impulsivity.
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So in this study that I'm about to share with you,
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there was no drug treatment.
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It was just a study manipulating diet
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and involved a hundred children,
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50 in the so-called elimination diet group,
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the special diet where certain foods were eliminated
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and 50 in the so-called control group.
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However, being a well-designed randomized controlled trial,
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the study also included a crossover,
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meaning where the kids would serve as their own control
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or control group at a certain portion of the studies.
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They would be in one group
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where they eliminated certain foods.
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And then after a period of time in the study,
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they would swap to the other group.
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This is a powerful way to design a study
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for reasons that you can imagine
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because you start to eliminate changes and effects
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due to individual differences.
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In any case, a hundred children total,
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50 in each group at any one period in time.
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And the effects that they observed were extremely dramatic.
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In the world of statistics and analysis of scientific data,
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we talk about P values, probability values.
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What's the likelihood that something could happen
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according to chance?
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And typically the cutoff would be
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something like P less than 0.05.
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That's less than 0.05 chance essentially
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of the effect being due to chance.
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However, in this study,
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every single one of the effects is P less than 0.0001.
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Very, very infinitesimally small probability
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that the effect observed could be due to chance.
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So what were these effects?
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These effects were enhanced ability to focus,
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less impulsivity, even less tendency to move
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when trying to sit still.
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So everything from mental focus
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to the ability to control their bodies improved
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when they were in the elimination diet group.
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What was eliminated?
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Well, the elimination diet in this particular study
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was a so-called oligoantigenic diet.
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It was a diet in which each kid took a test
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to determine which foods they had antibodies for,
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meaning that they were mildly allergic to.
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Now, in this study, it was very important
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that the kids not be extremely allergic to any food
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because as I mentioned before,
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they actually served as a control at one point in the study
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where they were eating all sorts of foods,
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including foods that they had mild allergies to.
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So basically what this study said
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was that eliminating foods to which children have allergies
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can dramatically improve their symptoms of ADHD.
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And this study, not surprisingly,
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because it was published in such a high quality journal,
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Lancet, et cetera, large number of subjects,
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set the world on fire.
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People were extremely excited about these results
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because here in the absence of any drug treatment,
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there was a significant improvement
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in ADHD symptoms observed.
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And then came the criticisms.
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So many papers were published after this,
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specifically dealing with reanalysis of these data.
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And I want to be fair in saying that
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the data in the paper look good,
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but there are criticisms of the overall
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structural design in the study.
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I don't want to go into all the details exactly
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because it gets really nuanced about some of the statistics
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and the way that one examines these types of data,
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but there was skepticism.
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And in science, skepticism is healthy,
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especially when making decisions about
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whether or not to treat or feed children one food or another
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or give them one drug or another.
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Now I want to return to the story of my friend
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who is a pediatric neurologist and treats ADHD
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and has a child who is on the precipice
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of perhaps starting to take drugs
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for the treatment of ADHD.
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I asked the simple question,
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do you see an effect of diet?
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Meaning when parents control the diet of their children,
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does it make a positive or negative or no difference
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in terms of the way that the kids respond to ADHD drugs
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like Ritalin and Adderall,
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or whether or not it can help them avoid
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treating with those drugs entirely?
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And her response was very straightforward.
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She said, elimination of simple sugars
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has a dramatic and positive effect.
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She's observed that over and over and over again
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in many dozens, if not hundreds of patients, okay?
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Now that's not a peer reviewed study.
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That's a statement that I'm conveying to you anecdotally,
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but it's a highly, highly informed one.
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I said, what about these elimination diets?
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She said, and I found other sources to support this,
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that these oligo-antigenic diets are controversial.
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There are many people who really believe
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in identifying all the things that you're allergic to
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and making sure that you and especially your kids
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avoid those foods.
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However, there's another camp that's starting to emerge
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in the peer reviewed scientific literature
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showing that when kids are not exposed to certain foods,
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in particular nuts and things of that sort,
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they develop allergies to those foods.
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And then when exposed to them later,
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they cause real problems.
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So there's a whole galaxy of discussion and controversy
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and outright fighting about allergies in kids
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and whether or not the oligo-antigenic diet is the one.
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However, out of the four neurologists and psychiatrists
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that I spoke to about ADHD in preparation for this,
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every single one said,
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children with ADHD as much as possible
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should be encouraged to avoid high sugar
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and simple sugar foods of most kinds.
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And if they can find particular foods
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that exacerbate their symptoms,
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obviously eliminating those foods is beneficial.
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And the foods that exacerbate their symptoms
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change over time.
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So I don't like giving a complicated answer,
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but I also don't like giving an incomplete answer.
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What this tells me is that children,
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and especially young children who have ADHD
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should probably not eat much sugar,
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in particular simple sugars.
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In addition to that,
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exploring whether or not they have existing allergies
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to foods they already consume
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might be a good idea.
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At least that's what this paper,
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the Pelser et al. Lancet paper seems to speak to.
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And I should mention that that paper was published in 2011.
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Since then, there have been many dozens of studies
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exploring the same thing,
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as well as meta-analyses of all those data.
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And it does appear that diet can have
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a highly significant role in eliminating
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or at least reducing the symptoms of ADHD.
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So much so that some of the children
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are able to not take medication at all
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or eventually wean themselves off medication
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as young adults and as adults.
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One interesting question is whether or not adults
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should modify their diet
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in order to increase their levels of focus
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if they're already having normal levels of focus,
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but would like more,
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or would like to reduce existing adult ADHD.
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That's an interesting and even more controversial topic.
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It brings us right into the realm
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of what are called omega-3 fatty acids.
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I've talked many times on this podcast
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about the known benefits of omega-3 fatty acids,
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in particular, getting one gram, 1,000 milligrams or more,
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even as much as 2,000 milligrams each day
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of the so-called EPA component of omega-3 fatty acids,
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known to have antidepressant effects,
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mood elevating effects,
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known to have important effects
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protecting the cardiovascular system.
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I think it's now clear
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that the immune system also benefits
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that omega-3 fatty acids
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that include a gram or more of EPAs are very beneficial.
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Typically, that's done through fish oil.
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Liquid fish oil is going to be the most cost efficient,
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but there are capsule forms.
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For those of you that don't like fish oil,
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you can ingest this through other means.
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You can get it from certain algaes or krill, et cetera.
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You have to make it compatible with your particular diet,
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whether or not you're vegan or vegetarian
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or omnivore, et cetera.
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Omega-3s have been shown
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to have all these positive health benefits.
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Do they have positive effects on focus and attention?
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And the answer is,
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you can find studies that support that statement,
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and the effects are significant,
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but the effects are modest.
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You can also find studies that show no effect.
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However, much like with omega-3s and antidepressants,
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whereby ingestion of omega-3 fatty acids
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of a gram or more of EPA per day
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allows people with major depression
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to get away with taking lower doses
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of antidepressant medication,
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it does seem that ingestion of omega-3 fatty acids
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in adults that include EPAs of 1,000 milligrams or more
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can allow adults with ADHD
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or mild attention deficit issues
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to function well on lower doses of medication,
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and in rare cases to eliminate medication entirely.
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So what this says is once again
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that the omega-3 fatty acids are beneficial.
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Will they cure or eliminate ADHD?
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I think it's safe to say no.
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They are playing a supportive
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or what we call a modulatory role.
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Just like good sleep plays a supportive and modulatory role
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for essentially everything,
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your immune system, your ability to think,
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your ability to regulate your emotion,
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it's modulating that process.
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This component of modulation
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is extremely important to highlight.
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And I think I want to spend a moment on it
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because this is especially important
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in the context of ADHD
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and all the information that's out there.
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There are biological processes that are mediated
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by particular compounds like dopamine.
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So for instance, the ability to feel motivated
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to attend, to focus,
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is mediated by the circuits in the brain
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that release dopamine.
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However, attention is also modulated by how rested you are.
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If you want to eliminate your ability to think well at all,
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just stay up for two nights and don't sleep at all, right?
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If you do that, you will have modulated the circuits
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in your brain that respond to various things
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and you will be highly distractible.
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You will be highly emotional.
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You will feel like garbage,
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but that doesn't mean that sleep mediates focus
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and attention, it modulates it indirectly.
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Likewise, I think these omega-3 fatty acids,
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in particular the EPAs,
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which are so beneficial for mood
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and apparently also for attention,
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they don't directly mediate attention and mood.
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What they do is they modulate those circuits.
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They make dopamine more available.
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They make whatever dopamine is available
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more likely to bind to the various receptors
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that are present on neurons and so forth.
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And I think this is very important
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because likewise diet and any discussion about nutrition
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has to include this framework of is the diet,
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the elimination diet,
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or whether or not it's some other diet
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or esoteric diet, ketogenic diet,
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is it modulating or mediating a process?
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And most likely in the context of ADHD,
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it's modulating that process.
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So if the ADHD is mild or if it's caught early enough,
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or if it's in conjunction with pharmacology
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with a prescription treatment,
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well, then it might help guide the child or adult
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to a better place of being able to focus.
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But it's not going to be the switch that flips everything.
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Now, that does not mean that consuming the wrong foods,
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sugary foods or foods that you happen to be allergic to
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is a good idea.
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It will still be detrimental.
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So I hope that conceptual framework helps
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because if you go online,
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if you're somebody with ADHD or not,
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you are going to be bombarded with the ADHD diet,
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the oligoantigenic diet, the elimination,
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this supplement, that EPA.
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And I think it's very important to understand
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whether or not you're talking about
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something mediating a process or modulating a process.
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Now, drugs like Ritalin, drugs like Adderall,
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they are tapping into the circuitries
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and the neurochemistries that mediate attention and focus.
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They are not the only alternatives
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or the only choices rather for treatment of these circuits
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and enhancement of the circuits for focus.
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I'm going to talk about other alternatives
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and some behavioral alternatives
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that are not very well known,
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but are very, very effective in a few minutes.
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But I really want to make this clear distinction
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between modulation and mediation
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because it's vital for anyone that's trying to modulate
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or mediate anything within their own brain.
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If any of you are interested in this oligoantigenic diet
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as it relates to ADHD,
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and you want to explore a more recent study
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besides that classic 2011 Lancet study
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that's rather controversial,
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there's a paper that was published
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in Frontiers in Psychiatry just last year, 2020.
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The title of the paper is oligoantigenic diet
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improves children's ADHD rating scale scores reliably
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in added video rating.
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The added video rating is just that they're using
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an additional measure of focus and attention.
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Again, that's Frontiers in Psychiatry 2020.
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I'll put a link to it in the caption,
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and that's a more recent study for you to peruse.
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So we've talked about the neural circuits of focus
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and the chemistry of focus,
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but we haven't talked yet about
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what would make us better at focusing
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and what focusing better really is.
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So let's take a step back and think about how we focus
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and how to get better at focus.
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And I'm going to share with you a tool
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for which there are terrific research data
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that will allow you in a single session
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to enhance your ability to focus in theory forever.
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What I'm about to read you is from an excellent book
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that I recommend if any of you are interested in neuroscience
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and things like meditation and default mode networks
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and things of that sort.
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The book is called Altered Traits.
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Science reveals how meditation changes
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your mind, brain, and body.
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And no, I'm not going to try and convince you to meditate.
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I'm going to share with you a small passage in the book
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that relates some research data related to focus
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that are very important.
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If you want to meditate, that's your choice.
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That's a separate matter.
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This is a book by Daniel Goleman and Richard Davidson.
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And I should just mention that Goleman is a well-known author
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has written books on emotional intelligence and so forth.
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Richard Davidson is also a PhD.
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He's a professor of psychology and psychiatry,
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and he's at a University of Wisconsin, Madison.
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He's done terrific work on brain states
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and modulation of brain states and so forth.
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What we're about to talk about is when attention works
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and when attention falters.
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And what we are specifically going to talk about
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are what are called attentional blinks,
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not actual eye blinks.
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We're going to talk about that in a few minutes,
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but we're going to talk about attentional blinks.
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I'm paraphrasing here because Goleman and Davidson
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wrote about this so beautifully.
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I'd rather paraphrase from them
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than try and just make up a new way to say it
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that is less interesting or less good,
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but I want to credit them.
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Attentional blinks are really easy to understand
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if you think about a where's Waldo task.
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You know this task, where's Waldo,
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where there are a bunch of people
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and objects and things in a picture,
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and somewhere in there is Waldo
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with the striped hat and the glasses
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and kind of a skinny dude,
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and you have to find Waldo.
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And so it's a visual search,
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and it's visual search for an object
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that has distinct features,
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but is embedded in this ocean of other things
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that could easily be confused as Waldo.
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So you tend to look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look.
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And then you find Waldo.
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Kids can do this.
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They enjoy doing this.
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Adults may or may not enjoy it, but they can do it too.
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They find Waldo.
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When you find Waldo,
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or when you search for a target
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in some other visual search task,
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at that moment, your nervous system celebrates a little bit,
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and it celebrates through the release of neurochemicals
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that make you feel good.
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You found it, and you pause.
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Now, the pause is interesting,
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because when you pause,
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what we know from many experiments
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is that in that moment of pause and mild celebration,
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however mild,
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you are not able to see another Waldo
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sitting right next to it.
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So what this means is in attending to something,
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in searching, and in identifying a visual target,
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your attention blinked.
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It shut off for a second.
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And there's a more formal and more laboratory type way
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that we look at this.
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The more typical way to do this
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is to give someone a string of letters
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or a string of numbers.
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And beforehand, you tell them,
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be on the lookout for the letters R and Z.
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You're just going to watch this string of numbers go by,
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and there will be a letter R in there,
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and there will be a letter Z in there,
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and try and spot them both.
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And what you find is
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when you present that string of numbers,
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and then they see the R,
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they see the R,
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they register it consciously,
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and they tend to miss the Z,
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just like in the Waldo type example.
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Now, of course, the numbers are going by pretty quickly,
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but they can spot the R.
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They could also spot the Z if you told them beforehand,
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just spot the Z.
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And the numbers are moving through at the same rate
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in both conditions.
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So what that means is that in every case,
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you are capable of seeing the R or the Z.
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It's when you try and see both
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that seeing the first one prevents you
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from seeing the second one.
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It's what we call an attentional blink.
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We do this all the time,
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and people with ADHD tend to have
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many more attentional blinks than people that don't.
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And this is true for children and for adults.
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This is an important point,
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so important that I want to emphasize it twice
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in case you attentionally blinked.
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If you see something that you're looking for,
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or you're very interested in something,
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you are definitely missing other information,
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in part because you're over-focusing on something.
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And this leads to a very interesting hypothesis
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about what might go wrong in ADHD,
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where we've always thought that they cannot focus,
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and yet we know they can focus on things
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they care very much about.
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Well, maybe, just maybe,
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they are experiencing more attentional blinks
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than people who do not have ADHD.
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And indeed, there are data now to support the possibility
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that that's actually what's happening.
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And that should be exciting to anyone that has ADHD.
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It should also be exciting to anyone
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that cares about increasing their focus
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and their ability to attend.
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What this is saying is that these circuits
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that underlie focus and our ability to attend
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and our ability to eliminate distraction,
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they aren't just failing to focus.
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That's just a semantic way of describing the outcome.
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They are over-focusing on certain things
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and thereby missing other things.
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And so our distractibility or the distractibility
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of somebody with ADHD could exist
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because they are over-focusing on certain elements
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and they are therefore missing other elements
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that they should be attending to.
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So what they really need is this property
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that we call open monitoring.
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Now, open monitoring is something
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that's described in the book that I just referred to
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and that typically is associated with people
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who have done a lot of meditation,
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so-called vipassana meditation, or have spent a lot of time
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learning how to do what's called open gaze visual analysis
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and open gaze thinking, but there's a simpler version
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of this that allows us to bypass all that.
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First of all,
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your visual system has two modes of processing.
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It can be highly focused, a soda straw view,
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so looking for the R in this string of numbers
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in the example that I just gave,
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or if you're very excited about something,
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you're in that soda straw view of the world
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and you're missing other things, okay?
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That's high levels of attention.
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However, there's also a property of your visual system
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that allows you to dilate your gaze
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to be in so-called panoramic vision.
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Panoramic vision is something you can do right now
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no matter where you are, and I can do it right now.
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You won't know that I'm doing it,
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but even though I'm still looking directly at you,
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I'm consciously dilating my gaze
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so that I can see the ceiling, the floor,
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and the walls all around me.
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That panoramic vision is actually mediated
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by a separate stream or set of neural circuits
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going from the eye into the brain,
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and it's a stream or set of circuits
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that isn't just wide angle view.
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It also is better at processing things in time.
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Its frame rate is higher.
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So you've seen slow motion video
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and you've seen standard video.
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Slow motion video gives you that slow motion look
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because it's a higher frame rate,
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your thin slicing time, okay?
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So you can use panoramic vision
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to access the state that we call open monitoring.
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When people do that, they are able to attend to
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and recognize multiple targets
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within this string of numbers.
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They can see the R and they can see the Z
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and they can see additional things.
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So this is something that can be trained up
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and people can practice whether or not
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they have ADHD or not.
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What it involves is learning
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how to dilate your gaze consciously.
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That's actually quite easy for most people.
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Whether or not you wear corrective lenses
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or contacts or not,
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you can consciously go into open gaze
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and then you can contract your field of view as well.
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There have also been studies done
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where people were taught to think in a particular way
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for a very short period of time
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and that forever changed their ability
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to limit or reduce the number of these attentional blinks.
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There are now published accounts in the literature
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of a simple practice done for about 15 minutes
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where subjects were asked to just sit quietly,
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eyes closed and do what is sort of akin to meditation
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but to not direct their mind
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into any particular state or place
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but simply to think about their breathing
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and to focus on their so-called interoception,
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focus on how their body feels,
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their mind drifted to bring it back.
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Okay, so it's basically meditation for about 15 minutes.
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That might not seem like a significant or unusual practice
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or that it would have any impact at all
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but remarkably, just doing that once for 17 minutes
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significantly reduced the number of attentional blinks
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that people would carry out.
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In other words, their focus got better
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in a near permanent way without any additional training.
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There's something about that practice
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of reducing the amount of visual information coming in
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01:20:17.140
and learning to pay attention to one's internal state,
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what we call interoception,
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01:20:21.420
that allowed them an awareness
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01:20:23.100
such that when they needed to look for visual targets,
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01:20:26.060
when they need to focus on multiple things in sequence,
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they didn't experience the same number
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of attentional blinks.
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And I should mention, not incidentally,
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as people age and their working memory gets worse
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and their ability to focus gets worse,
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the number of attentional blinks
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that they carry out goes up.
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And there are now studies exploring
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whether or not this simple meditation-like practice
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of 15 to 20 minutes or so of sitting
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and just quietly resting and paying attention
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to one's breathing and internal state
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can also offset some of that age-related,
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what is called cognitive decline.
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So what these data tell me is that regardless
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of whether or not you're a child or you're an adult,
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whether or not you have ADHD or not,
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whether or not you're experiencing
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age-related cognitive decline,
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or you would simply like to avoid
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age-related cognitive decline,
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01:21:16.860
a simple practice of taking 17 minutes,
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sitting and paying attention to your internal state,
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01:21:23.740
just interocepting, registering your breathing,
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01:21:26.980
registering the contact of your skin
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01:21:29.140
with whatever surface you're on,
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01:21:31.220
can forever rewire your brain to be able to attend better
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01:21:35.560
and possibly even offset
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01:21:37.380
some of that age-related attentional drift.
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01:21:41.420
Now, I don't expect anyone to start meditating regularly.
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I don't expect anyone to do anything they don't want to do,
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01:21:47.500
but I think most of us could handle one meditation session
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of 17 minutes or so.
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01:21:53.500
And so if ever there was a tool that stood
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01:21:55.420
to rewire our attentional circuitry in a powerful way,
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01:21:59.020
this seems to be it.
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01:22:00.700
And in addition, the ability to engage in panoramic vision,
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01:22:05.540
to dilate our gaze, the so-called open monitoring
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01:22:08.820
that allows the brain to function in a way
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01:22:10.820
that it can detect more information faster,
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01:22:13.200
that's a powerful tool as well.
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01:22:14.660
And the beauty of that tool is that it works the first time
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and it works every time.
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01:22:19.020
Now, how exactly it works is a little bit unclear.
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Is it, for instance, orchestrating this synchrony
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or asynchrony between the default mode network
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and the task-related networks?
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01:22:31.760
We don't know.
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01:22:32.700
Those studies have not yet been carried out.
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01:22:35.340
Nonetheless, the effects are significant,
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they are long lasting,
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01:22:39.180
and they appear to exist after just one session
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of this quiet 17-minute interoception,
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which to me makes it seem like a very worthwhile thing
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to do for everybody.
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01:22:49.800
So we just talked about attentional blinks,
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which are essentially blinks of thinking.
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01:22:54.320
It's your mind shutting off for a moment
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01:22:56.480
and missing information.
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01:22:58.660
Now let's talk about actual blinks,
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the sort that you do with your eyelids.
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01:23:03.060
Now, this might come across as somewhat obvious,
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but you can do fast, what are called spontaneous blinks,
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01:23:10.000
and they are always coordinated between the two eyes.
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Or you can do long blinks,
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like when you go to sleep at night,
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you do one very long blink and I'm not being facetious.
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01:23:19.460
When you go to sleep at night,
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you are shutting your eyelids
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and you are limiting the amount of information coming in
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01:23:27.480
and your perception of time starts to drift
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01:23:30.460
as you go into sleep.
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Your perception of time changes from very fast
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01:23:35.820
at one moment to very slow,
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01:23:38.000
meaning the frame rate
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01:23:40.140
at which you are analyzing information,
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01:23:43.100
dreaming, et cetera, is variable when you are in sleep.
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01:23:46.740
Sometimes it's very fast,
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01:23:48.200
meaning you experience things in slow motion.
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01:23:49.860
Sometimes it's very fast.
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01:23:51.140
In waking too, your experience of time
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can sometimes be very fast, sometimes be very slow.
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01:23:58.580
Typically, the more alert you are,
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the higher the frame rate,
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your thin slicing your experience.
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01:24:05.140
You've probably had this happen.
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01:24:06.400
If you're ever very stressed
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and you're waiting for something or somebody,
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01:24:09.900
it seems like it takes forever
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01:24:12.300
because your frame rate is higher.
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01:24:14.020
You're analyzing time more finely.
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01:24:16.420
Conversely, if you are very relaxed or even sleepy,
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you wake up and you have to think about all the things
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you have to do,
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01:24:23.500
it will seem like the world is going by very, very fast
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and that you are moving very slow.
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01:24:28.000
Time is going at the same rate,
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but your perception of time is what's changed.
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Believe it or not,
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01:24:35.020
your perception of time is also changed on a rapid basis,
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moment to moment basis by how often you blink.
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01:24:44.220
This is a well-established literature
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in the world of neuroscience
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01:24:49.080
that unlike the literature and claims about blinking
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and sociopathy, which have no basis,
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01:24:55.660
the science of blinking as it relates to time perception
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01:24:59.020
has some very good data to support it.
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01:25:01.220
I want to just emphasize one study in particular,
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which is quite appropriately titled
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01:25:06.500
Time Dilates After Spontaneous Blinking.
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This is a paper that was published in Current Biology.
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01:25:11.480
The first author is Terhune, T-E-R-H-U-N-E.
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01:25:15.380
It's a wonderful paper.
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01:25:17.500
They examined the relationship between fluctuations
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in timing and blinking.
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01:25:23.980
And to make a long story short,
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what they found is that right after blinks,
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we reset our perception of time, okay?
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01:25:33.540
So blinks in that sense are a little bit like
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the curtain coming down on a scene between scenes in a play
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01:25:40.060
or takes in a movie, you know, when they clap,
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01:25:42.340
the clap thing, they start it, take, you know,
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what do they say?
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01:25:45.980
Action.
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01:25:46.820
And then at the end, they do the thing
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and they click it down and they say, it's a take.
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That's one take.
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01:25:52.520
When you blink, it's a take, okay?
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01:25:56.620
Now what's interesting and will immediately make sense to you
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as to why this is important
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is that the rate of blinking is controlled by dopamine.
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So what this means is that dopamine is controlling attention,
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blinks relate to attention and focus,
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01:26:14.300
and therefore the dopamine and blinking system
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is one way that you constantly modulate
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and update your perception of time.
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And fortunately, it's also one that you can control.
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So the basic takeaway of this study
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was that blinking controls time perception,
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but also that levels of dopamine
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can alter your sense of time and, stay with me here,
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and that blinking and dopamine are inextricably linked.
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They are working together to control your attention.
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01:26:46.060
When dopamine levels go up,
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people tend to overestimate how long something lasted.
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Why?
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Because they are processing time more finely.
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It's slow motion mode.
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01:26:59.240
When dopamine levels are lower,
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they tend to underestimate time intervals.
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01:27:04.460
Let's remember back to the very beginning of the episode,
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what's going on in people with ADHD?
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They are not good at managing their time.
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They tend to run late or they are disorganized.
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01:27:15.140
They are not just disorganized in space,
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meaning in the physical space around them,
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01:27:21.260
they are disorganized in time.
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01:27:23.580
Their dopamine is low.
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We know that as well.
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01:27:26.740
And so they are underestimating time intervals.
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And so it makes perfect sense that they would be late.
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It makes perfect sense that they would lose track of time
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01:27:34.460
or the ability to focus.
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01:27:36.620
This is really exciting
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because what it means is that children with ADHD,
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01:27:41.020
adults with ADHD, or people with normal levels of focus
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01:27:44.140
that want to improve their ability to focus
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01:27:46.900
can do so through a training
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01:27:49.460
that involves learning how often to blink and when,
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01:27:53.100
and how to keep their visual focus on a given target.
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And it turns out this study has actually been done.
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There's a study again, I'll link to this study,
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entitled Improvement of Attention
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01:28:04.100
in Elementary School Students
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01:28:06.020
Through Fixation-Focused Training Activity.
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01:28:08.700
I won't go through all the details,
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but what they found was a short period
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01:28:12.980
of focusing on a visual target
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01:28:16.740
allowed these school children to greatly enhance
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their ability to focus on other types of information.
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01:28:23.620
And a significant component of the effect
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01:28:25.520
was due to the way that they were controlling the shutters
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on their eyes, their eyelids, and controlling their blinks.
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01:28:31.700
So what they did in the study is they had these kids
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focus their visual attention on some object
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that was relatively close, like their hand,
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for a minute or so, which actually takes some effort
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if you try and do that.
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They were allowed to blink.
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However, it's known from other work
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that if people can consciously override the desire to blink,
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at least to the point where they feel like they have to
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or else their eyes would dry out,
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that actually can increase attention even further.
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01:28:58.520
And they had conditions where they would look
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at a point further across the room
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and even further across the room.
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01:29:04.580
It only took a few minutes each day to do this,
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30 seconds in one condition or maybe a minute,
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and then at another station
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of looking a little bit further out
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and a little bit further out.
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01:29:13.740
However, there was an important feature of this study
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that is definitely worth mentioning,
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which is before they did this visual focus task or training,
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01:29:23.560
they did a series of physical movements with the kids
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so that the kids could sort of eliminate
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or move out some of their desire to move
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01:29:32.600
and would thereby enhance their ability to sit still.
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01:29:36.360
Now, it's long been known that kids need a recess.
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They need time to run around and play and roll around,
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01:29:41.400
do whatever it is that they do
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in order to be able to sit still at all.
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Adults probably need this too, frankly,
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but kids need it more because the circuits in the brain
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that control reflexive movements
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01:29:52.600
and as we say, kind of rhythmic undulating behavior
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01:29:56.160
and things like that, that's an active suppression.
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01:29:58.800
And kids have less of that circuitry built up
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01:30:00.760
until they hit about age 15 or 16.
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01:30:03.920
So they had the kids move around a bit
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01:30:06.140
and then do this focus training.
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01:30:08.500
That brings me to another treatment
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that's actively used nowadays in schools
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01:30:13.160
for kids with ADHD, but also it's starting to be used
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01:30:17.240
by many kids and by parents
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01:30:19.780
in order to keep their kids focusing
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01:30:22.480
and not going crazy in the car or not acting out in general.
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01:30:27.320
And that's the prevalence of these so-called fidgeter toys
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01:30:31.100
or things that kids can do actively and repetitively
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01:30:33.600
in order to move out some of their
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01:30:35.840
underlying reverberatory activity in their nervous system.
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01:30:39.280
So what you will find is that some kids with ADHD
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are now given a rubber band on their desk,
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literally a rubber band that's attached to their desk
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01:30:47.440
and they're able to pull on it,
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01:30:49.160
even snap it against the desk.
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01:30:50.600
If I had done that when I was a kid,
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I think my teachers would have thrown me out of class,
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01:30:53.380
but I think it's great that they're allowing them
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to do this now as a way of moving
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some of their physical energy out
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01:31:00.640
or engage their physical energy rather,
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01:31:03.120
as opposed to trying to sit,
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01:31:04.760
statue still all the time and attend.
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01:31:06.900
And it turns out that does enhance
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these children's ability to focus mentally
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01:31:11.320
when they have some physical activity to attend to.
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01:31:13.560
And it turns out it also can work for adults.
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01:31:16.940
I'll share with you a related anecdote
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because it illustrates the underlying mechanism.
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01:31:21.720
I've had the great privilege
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of being able to do a number of surgeries,
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01:31:25.860
brain surgeries during my career.
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01:31:28.480
So one thing you find when you do brain surgeries
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is that the brain's pretty small,
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regardless of the species that you're working on
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and you're in there and you're trying
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to do something very specific.
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01:31:36.880
And the more you try and hold your hands really steady,
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the more they want to shake, all right?
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01:31:42.480
So it's not natural for any of our limbs
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to sit perfectly still.
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01:31:46.760
Depending on how much coffee you've had,
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how well rested you are,
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and your sort of baseline level of autonomic arousal,
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some of you may find that you can hold out your hand
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it absolutely rock solid.
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Others will shake a little bit more.
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Doesn't mean you're nervous if you're shaking,
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doesn't mean you're calm if you're still.
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01:32:03.600
What it relates to is the amount
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of what we call pre-motor activity,
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01:32:06.600
the number of commands to move
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01:32:08.320
that are being sent through the system.
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01:32:09.680
And that's what I mean by reverberatory activity.
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And it does seem that kids with ADHD and adults with ADHD
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have a lot of reverberatory activity
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01:32:18.440
in their nervous system.
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01:32:19.540
And so that's that constant desire to move.
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01:32:21.120
It's hard for them to sit still
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01:32:22.800
and therefore it's hard for them to attend,
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01:32:24.880
to harness their attention.
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01:32:27.940
When you do a surgery and you find
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that your hands are shaking,
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01:32:32.400
what you learn from your mentors, which I did,
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01:32:34.420
and what works extremely well,
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01:32:36.100
whether or not you're doing a surgery or not,
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01:32:37.760
is that you simply tap your foot
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01:32:39.520
or you bounce your knee a little bit,
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01:32:40.920
which you might think would make your hand shake even more,
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01:32:44.200
but provided that it's subtle,
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01:32:45.920
what it does is it actually shuttles some of the activity
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01:32:49.200
from those pre-motor circuits to elsewhere in the body.
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01:32:51.920
And then you're able to sit much more still with your hand.
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01:32:55.100
You're able to perform the surgery with much more precision.
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01:32:57.680
You are able to write with much better handwriting.
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01:33:00.440
And for those of you who engage in public speaking,
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01:33:03.560
if you're ever too nervous,
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01:33:04.800
that's why pacing while you public speak
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01:33:06.660
helps if you're nervous.
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01:33:07.820
That's why bouncing your knee behind the podium
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01:33:10.100
works as well.
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01:33:10.940
That's why nodding your head and gesticulating can help.
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01:33:13.840
It's not a matter of quote unquote moving energy
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01:33:16.560
out of the body that doesn't actually happen.
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01:33:18.460
What it is is you're engaging those pre-motor circuits
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01:33:20.940
that are sending through commands.
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01:33:22.320
It's like trying to stuff a bunch of stuff through a funnel
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01:33:25.000
and it creates this tension.
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01:33:26.640
So you're giving it an outlet for the neural circuitry
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01:33:30.980
to be able to move something
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01:33:32.320
so that you can keep other components of your body
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01:33:34.600
and your mental attention engaged
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01:33:37.480
and locked onto something, what we call focus.
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01:33:40.960
One thing related to this whole business
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of blinking and focus and training yourself to focus
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01:33:45.480
and not blinking, et cetera,
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01:33:47.440
is that most all of the drugs, Ritalin, Adderall,
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01:33:52.520
and recreational drugs that increase dopamine,
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01:33:55.100
even coffee and tea and other forms of caffeine,
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01:33:59.460
they tend to make us blink less.
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01:34:01.720
And when we get tired, we tend to blink more.
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01:34:04.520
Now, this is sort of a duh, right?
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01:34:07.220
But being wide-eyed with excitement or fear
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01:34:10.560
or with your eyes barely being able to keep them open,
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01:34:15.320
now it should make perfect sense
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01:34:16.720
that these shutters on the front of your eyes,
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01:34:18.460
they aren't just there for winking
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01:34:20.300
and they aren't just there for cosmetic purposes.
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01:34:22.920
They are there to regulate the amount of information
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01:34:26.280
going into your nervous system.
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01:34:27.680
And they're there to regulate how long
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01:34:31.100
you are bringing information into your nervous system
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01:34:33.960
and in what bins, how widely or finely you are binning time
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01:34:38.960
is set by how often you blink and how widely
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01:34:43.180
or specifically you are grabbing attention
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01:34:45.720
from the visual world is set by whether or not
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01:34:47.320
you're viewing things very specifically,
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01:34:48.880
like a crosshair or through a soda straw view like this,
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01:34:51.760
or whether or not you were in this panoramic
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01:34:54.000
sort of whole environment mode,
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01:34:57.160
this kind of fisheye lens or wide angle lens mode.
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01:35:00.480
And in fairness to the pharmacology and the circuitry,
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01:35:04.080
while dopamine and heightened levels of alertness
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01:35:07.740
and excitement tend to make us blink less and attend more,
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01:35:12.800
there's actually a study that's looked
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01:35:14.380
at the other neurochemical systems and drugs
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01:35:17.760
and how those relate to blinking.
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01:35:19.400
And so this will all be obvious by the title of the paper
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01:35:22.160
I'm about to share with you.
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01:35:23.080
This is a paper entitled
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01:35:25.280
Decreased Spontaneous Eye Blink Rates
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01:35:27.920
in Chronic Cannabis Users,
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01:35:29.920
Evidence for Striatal Cannabinoid Dopamine Interactions.
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01:35:34.120
Okay, I'm not going to go into all the details here,
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01:35:36.100
but one thing that is somewhat surprising
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01:35:38.980
is that many people with ADHD use or abuse cannabis.
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01:35:45.500
You might think, well, why would they do that?
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01:35:47.080
Because I thought that a increase in dopamine
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01:35:50.520
is actually what's going to lead
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01:35:51.520
to heightened levels of attention,
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01:35:52.680
and that's what these people and children crave.
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01:35:55.160
Well, it turns out that cannabis
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01:35:56.680
also increases dopamine transmission in the brain,
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01:36:00.720
but because of the other chemicals it increases,
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01:36:03.400
namely serotonin and some components
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01:36:05.280
of the cannabinoid and opioid system.
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01:36:07.480
It creates that kind of alert, but mellow feel.
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01:36:13.080
And again, here, I'm not a proponent of this.
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01:36:15.480
I personally am not a THC or cannabis user.
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01:36:17.960
It's just not my thing.
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01:36:19.800
And obviously it's illegal some places,
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01:36:21.760
and so you have to determine that for yourself.
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01:36:24.360
It does have medical purposes,
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01:36:25.800
and in some places it is legal,
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01:36:28.340
but THC increases dopamine and increases neurochemicals
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01:36:32.200
that can also create a state of calm.
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01:36:34.100
So it's that sort of middle ground.
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01:36:35.920
And this paper has a beautiful demonstration whereby
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01:36:40.160
not just while people are using cannabis,
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01:36:42.480
but depending on how long they've been using cannabis
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01:36:45.280
across their lifespan, the rates of eye blinking change.
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01:36:49.120
So if you look at the number of years
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01:36:51.880
that people have been using cannabis on a regular basis,
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01:36:54.840
either daily or up to, excuse me, weekly or up to daily,
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01:36:58.620
what you find is that for people
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01:37:00.640
that have not been using cannabis at all
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01:37:02.720
or have only been using it for about two years,
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01:37:05.480
their rates of eye blinks are much higher
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01:37:08.220
than people who have been using it chronically for 10 years.
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01:37:10.600
In other words, people who've been using cannabis
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01:37:12.420
for 10 years don't blink very often at all.
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01:37:15.400
Now, cannabis has well-known effects in depleting memory,
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01:37:19.480
but it does seem to engage the focus and blinking system
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01:37:23.560
in a way that increases focus.
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01:37:25.580
So basically what I'm saying is
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01:37:27.280
marijuana seems to increase people's focus,
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01:37:29.200
but then they can't remember what they were focusing on.
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01:37:32.040
Something I'd like to discuss just briefly
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01:37:33.920
is the so-called interoceptive awareness
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01:37:37.480
that's present in people with ADHD,
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01:37:39.480
both children and adults.
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01:37:40.800
Interoceptive awareness is one sense
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01:37:43.660
of one's own internal state, heartbeat, breathing,
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01:37:47.520
contact of skin with a given surface, et cetera.
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01:37:50.560
For a long time, there was this hypothesis,
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01:37:52.780
this idea that people with ADHD
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01:37:54.960
were just not in touch with how they felt,
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01:37:57.560
that somehow they weren't registering
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01:37:59.360
all the stuff that was going on inside them,
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01:38:01.400
changes in heart rate and so forth.
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01:38:02.960
And so they were behaving in a way that was dysregulated
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01:38:06.440
or appear dysregulated.
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01:38:08.760
And that if they could just learn to attend
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01:38:11.360
to their internal state better,
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01:38:13.200
that somehow they would function better in the world.
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01:38:16.280
Now, before we described a process,
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01:38:19.280
literally a 17 minute interoceptive exercise
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01:38:23.080
that does seem to lead to improvements
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01:38:25.840
in one's ability to focus for a longer period of time.
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01:38:29.920
However, it's very unlikely that that was due
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01:38:33.560
to increasing interoceptive awareness per se.
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01:38:37.320
It probably wasn't because people gain a much heightened
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01:38:41.380
or improved ability to understand what's going on internally.
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01:38:46.120
In fact, you can imagine how that might actually
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01:38:47.920
prevent one's ability to pay attention to things
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01:38:49.920
in the outside world.
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01:38:51.440
So while there is benefit to just sitting there
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01:38:53.620
and being in stillness, as they say,
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01:38:55.340
or focusing on one's breathing and internal state
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01:38:57.860
for sake of then accessing information
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01:39:00.320
in the external world,
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01:39:02.320
a really nice study called Interoceptive Awareness
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01:39:06.480
in Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder
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01:39:08.560
explored whether or not interoceptive awareness
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01:39:11.100
was different in people with ADHD or did not have ADHD.
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01:39:16.160
And the findings were essentially that there's no difference
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01:39:20.160
that people with ADHD, children and adults,
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01:39:22.400
they are aware of what's going on inside them
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01:39:25.320
just as much as anyone else is.
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01:39:27.520
And the typical measure of interoceptive awareness
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01:39:29.840
is one's ability to count their own heartbeats.
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01:39:33.120
This is actually challenging for some individuals
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01:39:36.000
and very easy for other individuals,
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01:39:37.840
regardless of their attentional capacity.
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01:39:39.620
Some people just can really feel their heartbeat
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01:39:41.840
without taking their pulse, other people cannot.
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01:39:44.980
And these studies are pretty straightforward to do.
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01:39:47.360
You ask people to sit there and to count their heartbeats
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01:39:50.800
and then you are monitoring their heartbeats
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01:39:52.660
and you get to gauge how accurate they are.
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01:39:55.100
So it's important to understand that people with ADHD
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01:39:58.940
are in touch with how they feel.
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01:40:01.520
It's really a question of whether or not
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01:40:03.640
they can take the demands that are placed upon them
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01:40:06.720
and enter a cognitive state, a mental state
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01:40:09.380
that allows them to access the information
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01:40:11.180
they need to access.
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01:40:12.020
In other words, whether or not they can focus.
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01:40:13.260
But it is absolutely wrong to think that the child
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01:40:16.260
that's getting up 11 times during a short six minute
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01:40:20.060
interaction at the table, or whether or not a child
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01:40:23.920
who somehow has to venture off every moment
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01:40:26.240
or a coworker of yours who's an adult,
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01:40:28.280
who's constantly fidgeting or moving things around
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01:40:30.200
that somehow they are unaware that they are oblivious.
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01:40:32.360
They're not oblivious to how they feel.
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01:40:34.200
Chances are they are very challenged in the situations
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01:40:36.480
that they're in and they're doing everything they can
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01:40:38.480
to try and regulate their attention.
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01:40:40.380
So I think it's an important study to highlight
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01:40:42.800
because it really underscores the fact that
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01:40:44.720
something else is going on and that something else
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01:40:47.280
has everything to do with this ability
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01:40:49.000
to coordinate these task-directed networks
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01:40:51.200
and to coordinate that in the proper way
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01:40:53.880
with that default mode network.
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01:40:55.800
And that is a process, as you now know,
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01:40:58.080
that's regulated exquisitely by certain neurochemicals
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01:41:02.480
and in particular, the neurochemicals dopamine,
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01:41:04.680
norepinephrine, and serotonin.
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01:41:07.080
And a fourth one I'd like to throw into the mix,
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01:41:09.000
which is acetylcholine, which is very vital
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01:41:11.560
for cognitive focus.
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01:41:12.960
So now I want to switch back to talking about
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01:41:15.360
some of the drugs that are typically used
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01:41:17.520
to access those systems, prescription drugs.
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01:41:19.760
And I want to talk about some of the new and emerging
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01:41:22.040
non-prescription approaches to increasing the levels
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01:41:25.160
of dopamine, acetylcholine, and serotonin in the brain
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01:41:28.140
using various supplement type compounds
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01:41:30.240
because several of them are showing
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01:41:32.740
really remarkable efficacy
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01:41:34.760
in excellent peer-reviewed studies.
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01:41:36.720
So before moving to some of the newer atypical compounds
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01:41:39.760
and things sold over the counter,
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01:41:41.880
I'd like to just briefly return to the classic drugs
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01:41:46.300
that are used to treat ADHD.
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01:41:49.600
These are the ones I mentioned earlier,
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01:41:51.600
methylphenidate, also called Ritalin,
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01:41:54.640
modafinil, armodafinil is another one, and Adderall.
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01:42:00.440
Again, all of these work by increasing levels of dopamine
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01:42:03.620
and norepinephrine.
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01:42:05.520
Typically, they are taken orally in pill form
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01:42:08.840
or sometimes in capsule form.
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01:42:11.640
The dosages that are appropriate
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01:42:13.600
vary according to severity of the condition
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for a given person and the age of the person.
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01:42:20.880
This is a complicated landscape for each individual.
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They have to figure out the pharmacology
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01:42:25.760
that's best for them.
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01:42:27.000
Some individuals are even layering long
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01:42:30.360
or time to release Ritalin with Adderall in smaller doses.
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01:42:35.140
It can get quite complex
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or it can be quite straightforward.
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01:42:37.820
If you are really interested in these drugs
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and how they work, and you'd like to get a glance
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01:42:44.120
at a table of all the results from all the studies
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01:42:47.740
of which there are now hundreds,
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01:42:49.840
there's an excellent review about these drugs
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01:42:52.760
and their use and their comparison
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01:42:55.560
to similarly structured drugs,
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01:42:57.260
in particular MDMA and cocaine and amphetamine,
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01:43:01.520
meaning street amphetamine,
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01:43:03.020
to really illustrate the similarities of action
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01:43:06.480
and some of the problems associated with long-term use.
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01:43:10.280
I don't expect you to read this article in full.
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01:43:11.860
I'm here so that you don't have to go read these articles,
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01:43:14.360
but in case you want a ton of information,
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01:43:17.100
the paper is Esposito et al, Frontiers in Biosciences.
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01:43:20.760
It's an excellent, excellent review
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01:43:23.200
of the entire literature.
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01:43:24.680
It is quite long.
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01:43:26.740
I can put a link to that study in our caption.
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01:43:29.860
And it essentially describes all the studies
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01:43:33.120
that have been done, peer reviewed and published.
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01:43:35.960
And it refers to these drugs in an interesting way.
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01:43:39.160
It doesn't just refer these drugs as for treatment of ADHD.
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01:43:41.960
It actually refers to them using language
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that ordinarily I'm not very fond of,
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but I'll agree to here,
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which is so-called smart drugs or nootropics.
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01:43:52.720
It also covers caffeine, which again,
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as I mentioned earlier, increases dopamine, norepinephrine,
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01:43:59.340
and to some extent serotonin.
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01:44:01.860
But what I like about this review so much
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is that in putting these drugs of abuse,
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methamphetamine and cocaine,
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right alongside these drugs like Ritalin and Adderall
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and also caffeine,
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01:44:12.320
we start to realize that the distinction
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between drugs of abuse and the distinction between drugs
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of treatment is actually a very fine
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and sometimes even a blurry line.
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And in thinking about whether or not
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one wants to use these prescription,
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I want to emphasize prescription, not drugs of abuse,
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but prescription drugs for treatment
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of one's own attentional capacity,
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I think it is important to understand the extent
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to which they all carry more or less the same side effects.
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The one exception being caffeine.
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01:44:40.000
Caffeine side effects can be anxiety
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if you ingest too much of it, insomnia,
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01:44:44.680
if you drink it too late in the day,
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but typically it will not cause the major side effects
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of the other drugs,
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such as high propensity for addiction and abuse,
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01:44:55.920
amphetamines of any kind,
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01:44:57.580
as well as cocaine can cause sexual side effects
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01:45:00.640
because they're vasoconstrictors.
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01:45:02.160
So, you know, men have trouble achieving erection.
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01:45:06.480
There can often be the intense desire or libido for sex,
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01:45:11.920
but an inability to actually perform.
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01:45:14.320
So that's an issue with any kind of stimulant.
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01:45:16.940
So these drugs are not without their consequences.
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In addition, and here I'd lump caffeine back into the mix.
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01:45:24.000
In addition, they almost all carry cardiac effects, right?
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01:45:27.720
They increase heart rate,
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01:45:28.840
but they also have effects on constriction of blood vessels
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and arteries and veins and so forth
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in ways that can create cardiovascular problems.
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01:45:37.520
Now, caffeine is a bit of a complicated one.
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I talked about this on a podcast long ago,
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but I'll just remind you that it turns out
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that if you are caffeine adapted,
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in other words, if you are used to drinking caffeine,
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01:45:49.260
then the ingestion of caffeine
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01:45:51.240
most often will cause vasodilation.
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01:45:53.240
It will actually allow more blood flow through.
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01:45:55.520
However, if you are not caffeine adapted,
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it will cause vasoconstriction
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01:45:59.560
due to an increased stress response.
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So if you're familiar with caffeine,
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caffeine can actually have a little bit more
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of a relaxation response,
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although if you drink enough of it,
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it will make you amped up.
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01:46:10.960
These other drugs almost always lead to vasoconstriction,
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01:46:14.920
increased heart rate, dilation of the pupils,
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01:46:17.320
less blinking, heightened levels of attention,
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01:46:19.860
which looks very much like stress,
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01:46:22.000
and at its extremes looks very much like
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01:46:24.120
the effects of street drugs like cocaine and amphetamine.
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01:46:27.240
Because of the large amounts of dopamine
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01:46:29.120
that are released in the brain,
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01:46:30.580
people tend to crave that state over and over,
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01:46:33.320
and yet with each subsequent use
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01:46:36.240
are able to get less and less of that euphoric feeling
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01:46:39.360
or that really, really focused feeling.
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01:46:41.300
So one thing that's being explored quite extensively now
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in the treatment of ADHD are drug schedules,
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whether or not people should take Adderall every day
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01:46:51.680
or every other day,
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01:46:52.760
whether or not they should take it
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01:46:53.800
only every once in a while,
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01:46:55.120
whether or not young children can take it just a few times
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01:46:57.720
and engage in behavioral training of the sort
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that I talked about before where they're doing,
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maybe it's a 17 minute meditation type exercise,
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01:47:05.960
but more likely it would be the movement
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01:47:08.080
followed by the visual focusing,
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01:47:10.400
because that's only done for 20 or 30 or 60 seconds.
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01:47:12.960
Why would you do that?
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01:47:13.840
Well, in a chemically enhanced state,
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your brain is more plastic.
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01:47:17.800
The circuits are able to modify and learn better.
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01:47:22.880
That's the optimal time to engage in focus
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01:47:25.800
in a very deliberate way.
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01:47:27.320
So just taking a drug and expecting focus
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to just work at any point
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01:47:31.080
and being able to turn focus on and off at will,
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01:47:35.040
that's an unrealistic expectation, right?
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01:47:37.980
More likely the best use of things like Adderall,
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01:47:42.980
modafinil, armodafinil, and Ritalin
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01:47:46.740
is going to be to combine those treatments
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with behavioral exercises that actively engage
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the very circuits that you're trying to train up and enhance
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01:47:55.320
and then perhaps, I want to highlight perhaps,
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01:47:57.980
tapering off those drugs
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01:47:59.360
so that then one can use those circuits
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without any need for chemical intervention.
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01:48:04.440
So despite any controversy that might be out there,
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I think it's fair to say that the consumption
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of omega-3 fatty acids can positively modulate
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01:48:14.160
the systems for attention and focus.
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01:48:16.600
So then the question becomes how much EPA,
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01:48:20.480
how much DHA does that differ
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01:48:22.500
for what's helpful for depression, et cetera?
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01:48:25.760
And actually it does differ.
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01:48:27.880
In reviewing the studies for this,
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01:48:29.280
it appears that a threshold level of 300 milligrams of DHA
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01:48:34.280
turns out to be an important inflection point.
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01:48:37.200
So typically fish oils or other sources of omega-3s
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01:48:41.720
will have DHA and EPA.
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01:48:43.960
And typically it's the EPA that's harder to get
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01:48:47.320
at sufficient levels,
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01:48:48.160
meaning you have to take quite a lot of fish oil
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01:48:50.140
in order to get above that 1000 milligram
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01:48:52.380
or 2000 milligram threshold to improve mood
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01:48:55.720
and other functions.
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01:48:56.680
But for sake of attention,
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01:48:59.280
there are 10 studies that have explored this in detail.
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01:49:02.400
And while the EPA component is important,
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01:49:05.400
the most convincing studies point to the fact
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01:49:07.560
that getting above 300 milligrams per day of DHA
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01:49:12.080
is really where you start to see the attentional effects.
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01:49:14.240
Now, fortunately, if you're getting sufficient EPA
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01:49:16.440
for sake of mood and other biological functions,
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01:49:20.400
almost without question,
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01:49:22.560
you're getting 300 milligrams or more of DHA.
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01:49:25.200
So that usually checks that box just fine.
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01:49:27.800
What's interesting is that there's another compound,
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01:49:30.040
phosphatidylsterine that has been explored
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01:49:34.200
for its capacity to improve the symptoms of ADHD.
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01:49:37.640
Again, I don't think this is any direct way,
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01:49:39.700
but rather in a modulatory way.
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01:49:41.840
But it appears that phosphatidylsterine taken for two months
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01:49:46.160
for 200 milligrams per day
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01:49:49.640
was able to reduce the symptoms of ADHD in children.
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01:49:52.920
It has not been looked at in adults yet,
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01:49:55.400
at least as far as I know,
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01:49:57.240
but that this effect was greatly enhanced
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01:50:00.560
by the consumption of omega-3 fatty acids.
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01:50:03.520
So now we're starting to see synergistic effects
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01:50:05.680
of omega-3 fatty acids and phosphatidylsterine.
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01:50:08.900
Again, that was 200 milligrams per day.
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01:50:11.180
This is something that sold over the counter
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01:50:12.800
in capsule form, at least in the US.
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01:50:15.200
There were two studies, both were double blind studies
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01:50:18.440
carried out for anywhere from one to six months
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01:50:21.080
on both boys and girls.
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01:50:22.700
And it really was boys and girls, not men and women.
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01:50:24.760
This was kids age one to six or seven to 12.
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01:50:28.840
And it was a fairly large number of subjects.
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01:50:32.120
So 147 subjects in one case and 36 in the other.
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01:50:35.520
The takeaway is that getting sufficient levels of EPAs,
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01:50:39.240
in particular this 300 milligram threshold of DHA,
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01:50:42.760
plus if you are interested in it and it's right for you,
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01:50:46.720
200 milligrams of phosphatidylsterine
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01:50:48.920
can be an important augment
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01:50:50.400
for improving the symptoms of ADHD.
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01:50:53.480
You'll also find literature out there
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01:50:55.360
and many claims about so-called ginkgo bilboa,
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01:50:59.240
which has been shown to have minor effects
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01:51:01.780
in improving the symptoms of ADHD.
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01:51:04.500
Not nearly as effective as Ritalin and Adderall.
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01:51:09.160
Ginkgo bilboa is not appropriate for many people.
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01:51:12.440
I am one such person.
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01:51:14.120
I don't have ADHD, but when I've taken ginkgo,
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01:51:18.140
even at very low doses,
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01:51:19.280
I get absolutely splitting headaches.
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01:51:21.640
Some people do not experience those headaches,
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01:51:23.400
but it's known to have very potent vasoconstrictive
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01:51:26.400
and vasodilating properties that vary
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01:51:29.200
depending on when you took the compound.
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01:51:31.960
So for those of you that are exploring ginkgo bilboa,
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01:51:35.760
and you will see a lot of claims about ginkgo bilboa
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01:51:38.040
for attention in ADHD,
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01:51:39.560
definitely take the vasodilation, vasoconstriction headache
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01:51:43.840
issue into consideration.
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01:51:45.980
So I'd like to talk about the drug modafinil
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01:51:48.400
and the closely related drug armodafinil,
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01:51:50.920
that's AR modafinil,
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01:51:53.120
because modafinil and armodafinil
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01:51:55.480
are gaining popularity out there,
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01:51:57.320
both for treatment of ADHD and narcolepsy,
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01:52:00.260
but also for communities of people
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01:52:03.760
that are trying to stay awake long periods of time.
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01:52:05.920
So it's actively used in the military by first responders.
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01:52:10.000
It's gaining popularity on college campuses,
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01:52:13.100
and people are using it more and more as an alternative
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01:52:15.440
to Adderall and Ritalin and excessive amounts of coffee.
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01:52:20.440
It does increase focus and to a dramatic extent.
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01:52:24.480
Modafinil typically was very expensive.
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01:52:28.200
I don't know if it's still this expensive,
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01:52:30.080
but when one has a prescription for it,
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01:52:32.660
it could still cost as much as eight or $900
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01:52:35.560
or even a thousand dollars a month.
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01:52:37.920
R-modafinil is a far less expensive version
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01:52:41.940
that's chemically slightly different than modafinil.
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01:52:44.900
Regardless of price,
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01:52:45.840
people are taking modafinil and R-modafinil.
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01:52:48.920
Want to emphasize that unlike Ritalin and Adderall,
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01:52:52.520
modafinil and R-modafinil
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01:52:54.720
are weak dopamine reuptake inhibitors,
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01:52:57.720
and that's how they lead to increases in dopamine.
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01:53:00.120
So whereas Ritalin and Adderall, amphetamine and cocaine
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01:53:03.060
lead to big increases in dopamine,
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01:53:05.320
also through reuptake mechanisms and so forth,
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01:53:07.880
modafinil is a weaker dopamine reuptake stimulator.
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01:53:12.800
And so what that means is that it leaves more dopamine
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01:53:15.800
around to be active at the synapse,
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01:53:17.720
the gaps between neurons.
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01:53:19.880
However, it also activates other systems.
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01:53:22.040
It acts on the orexin system,
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01:53:24.240
which is actually a peptide that we talked about
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01:53:26.380
in the episode on hunger,
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01:53:28.400
because it regulates hunger and appetite,
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01:53:31.100
and it regulates sleepiness and feelings of sleepiness.
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01:53:34.280
In fact, the orexin, also called hypocretin system,
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01:53:37.700
the orexin hypocretin system
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01:53:39.320
is what's disrupted in narcolepsy.
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01:53:42.040
That was the important discovery of my colleagues,
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01:53:44.400
Emmanuel Mignon and Seiji Nishino
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01:53:46.600
at Stanford some years ago,
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01:53:48.320
they identified the biological basis of narcolepsy,
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01:53:50.960
and it's a disruption in the orexin hypocretin system,
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01:53:54.800
and modafinil is one of the primary treatments
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01:53:56.960
for narcolepsy.
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01:53:58.120
It also has these other effects on the dopamine system
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01:54:01.600
and on the norepinephrine system.
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01:54:03.900
Even though it doesn't lead to quite as intense levels
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01:54:08.480
of dopamine and arousal and focus,
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01:54:11.360
it does have the property
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01:54:12.600
of raising levels of attention and focus,
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01:54:14.840
and that's why people are using it.
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01:54:16.160
So it's a somewhat milder form of Adderall.
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01:54:19.400
R-modafinil, for some people, works as well as modafinil,
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01:54:23.120
and as I mentioned before, it's much lower cost.
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01:54:24.760
For other people, it doesn't.
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01:54:26.240
I have an experience, meaning I do have an experience
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01:54:30.280
that I'll share with you with R-modafinil.
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01:54:32.520
A few years ago, I was suffering from jet lag
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01:54:34.560
really terribly, and I was traveling overseas.
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01:54:38.860
I went to a meeting to give a talk.
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01:54:40.780
I took half of the prescribed dose of R-modafinil.
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01:54:45.740
It was prescribed to me.
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01:54:47.680
I took that half dose, and I gave my lecture,
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01:54:51.200
and then I stayed around to answer questions,
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01:54:53.120
and then four hours later, a friend of mine came up to me
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01:54:57.160
and said, you know, you've been talking
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01:54:59.080
for four and a half hours,
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01:55:01.040
and there are only a few people still here.
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01:55:03.580
Luckily, there were still a few people.
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01:55:04.920
It'd be a lot weirder if the room was completely empty
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01:55:07.680
since it wasn't being recorded.
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01:55:09.440
So I have firsthand knowledge
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01:55:10.960
of the sorts of cognitive effects that it can create.
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01:55:13.960
I personally would not want to be in that state
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01:55:16.460
for sake of studying or learning
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01:55:18.120
or for doing this podcast, for instance,
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01:55:21.280
and I can honestly say that today,
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01:55:23.200
all I've ingested is some coffee
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01:55:25.560
and some yerba mate tea and some water.
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01:55:28.140
I'm not on any of the compounds that I've described
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01:55:30.440
during the course of today's episode.
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01:55:32.780
You might ask why I took half the recommended dose
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01:55:36.060
of R-modafinil, and the reason is that I'm somebody
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01:55:39.720
who's fairly hypersensitive to medication of any kind.
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01:55:44.500
What you find if you look in the literature
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01:55:46.800
is that about 5% of people
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01:55:48.580
are hyper hypersensitive to medication.
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01:55:50.800
They require far lower doses of any medication
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01:55:53.880
than other people in order to experience the same effects.
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01:55:56.560
I'm somebody that I think is sort of modest hyper,
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01:56:00.120
if that sort of oxymoronic statement,
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01:56:02.120
but a modest hypersensitivity to medication,
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01:56:05.340
so I've almost always been able to get by
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01:56:07.160
on taking less of whatever was prescribed for me
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01:56:10.840
and feel just fine,
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01:56:11.880
or in this case to feel like it was still too much.
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01:56:13.960
It turned out that the right dose of R-modafinil for me
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01:56:17.160
was zero milligrams.
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01:56:19.080
Now you may notice that I haven't talked much
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01:56:21.000
about acetylcholine.
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01:56:22.760
Acetylcholine is a neurotransmitter
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01:56:24.920
that at the neuron to muscle connections,
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01:56:26.960
the so-called neuromuscular junctions,
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01:56:28.840
is involved in generating muscular contractions
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01:56:30.840
of all kinds for all movements.
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01:56:32.800
Acetylcholine is also released from two sites in the brain.
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01:56:37.160
So a little bit of nomenclature here.
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01:56:38.520
Again, feel free to ignore the nomenclature,
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01:56:41.040
but there is a collection of neurons in your brainstem
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01:56:43.680
that send projections forward,
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01:56:45.060
kind of like a sprinkler system that's very diffuse
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01:56:48.380
to release acetylcholine.
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01:56:50.020
And those neurons reside in an area or a structure
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01:56:53.620
that's called the pedunculopontine nucleus, the PPN.
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01:56:57.240
And then there's a separate collection of neurons
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01:56:59.340
in the basal forebrain called unimaginatively
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01:57:02.880
nucleus basalis, the nucleus at the base.
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01:57:05.680
And they also hose the brain with acetylcholine,
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but in a much more specific way.
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So one is sort of like a sprinkler system,
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and the other one is more like a fire hose
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to a particular location.
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And those two sources of acetylcholine collaborate
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to activate particular locations in the brain
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and really bring about a tremendous degree of focus
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to whatever is happening at those particular synapses.
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So it could be a focus on visual information
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or auditory information.
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If you're listening closely to what I'm saying right now,
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or you just heard closely step out
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from the rest of my sentence,
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no doubt there was acetylcholine released at the sites
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in your brain where the neurons that represent
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your recognition of the word closely occurred, okay?
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So now you have an example and you have an understanding
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and hopefully a picture in your mind
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of how all this is working.
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Not surprisingly then, drugs that increase cholinergic
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or acetylcholine transmission
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will increase focus and cognition.
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One such compound is so-called alpha-GPC,
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which is a form of choline
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and increases acetylcholine transmission.
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Dosages as high as 1200 milligrams per day,
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which is a very high dosage spread out,
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typically it's 300 or 400 milligrams spread out
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throughout the day,
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have been shown to offset some of the effects
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of age-related cognitive decline,
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improve cognitive functioning.
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People that don't have age-related cognitive decline,
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that's a very high dose.
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Typically when people are using alpha-GPC to study
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or to enhance learning of any kind,
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they will take somewhere between 300 and 600 milligrams,
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that's more typical.
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Again, you have to check with your doctor,
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you have to decide if the safety margins
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are appropriate for you.
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Obviously you'll want to check that out,
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but alpha-GPC is effective in creating more focus
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by way of this cholinergic system.
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It stimulates acetylcholine release
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from both of those locations,
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the PPN in the back of the brain
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and nucleus basalis in the front of the brain.
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There are two other over-the-counter compounds
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that are in active use out there for treatment of ADHD
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and in use for simply trying to improve focus.
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And the first one is L-tyrosine.
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It's an amino acid that acts as a precursor
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to the neuromodulator dopamine.
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And now knowing everything you know about dopamine attention
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and the circuits involved,
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it should come as no surprise
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as to why people are exploring the use of L-tyrosine
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for that purpose.
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L-tyrosine does lead to increases in dopamine.
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They are fairly long-lived
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and L-tyrosine can improve one's ability to focus.
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However, the dosaging can be very tricky to dial in.
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Sometimes it makes people feel too euphoric
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or too jittery or too alert
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that they are then unable to focus well.
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So the dosage ranges are huge.
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You see evidence for 100 milligrams
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all the way up to 1200 milligrams.
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It's something that really should be approached
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with caution, especially for people
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that have any kind of underlying psychiatric
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or mood disorder,
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because dysregulation of the dopamine system
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is central to many of the mood disorders,
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such as depression,
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but also especially mania,
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mania bipolar disorder,
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schizophrenia, things of that sort.
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So it's something that really should be approached
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with caution.
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Nonetheless, in exploring what's out there
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and even some studies online
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that were done either animal studies or human studies,
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it's clear that L-tyrosine is being explored
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for that purpose,
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as is PEA and phenylethylamine,
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which is essentially PEA,
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but some related compounds.
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So there's a whole class of dopaminergic
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or dopamine stimulating supplements
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that people are using to try
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and get their dopamine levels up.
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And again, it's kind of a fine line
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between too little enough and too much.
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If you want to get the literature on those two compounds,
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there I will refer you to this great website
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at examine.com, just as it sounds.
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And you can put in L-tyrosine or PEA
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and you can get the details on that.
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But I highly recommend also going to their section
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on ADHD to see how those particular compounds
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relate specifically to ADHD and cognitive focus.
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And last but not least,
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in terms of these different compounds,
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I do want to mention the racetams.
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These are somewhat esoteric
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and probably most of you haven't heard about them,
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but some of you probably know a lot about them
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and they are becoming more popular.
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They go by names like Nupept and things of that sort.
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The racetams are illegal in certain countries.
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They are gray market in other countries
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and they are sold over the counter
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in this country, in the US.
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So they have different margins for safety.
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You definitely need to consult your doctor,
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especially if you have ADHD.
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But Nupept has been shown when taken, you know,
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at 10 milligrams twice daily,
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can be more effective than some of the other racetams.
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What is Nupept?
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Nupept taps into the cholinergic system,
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the acetylcholine system in ways very similar to alpha-GPC,
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but seems to have a slightly higher affinity
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for some of the receptors involved
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and can lead to those heightened states
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of cognitive capacity.
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And there are these studies, one in particular,
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comparative studies of Nupept and paracetam
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and the treatment of patients with mild cognitive disorders
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and brain diseases of vascular and traumatic origin.
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That's a mouthful.
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What this study basically points to
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is the fact that people who are experiencing
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some degree of inability to focus
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due to prior concussion or some vascular event,
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a stroke or ischemia of any kind,
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because neurons need blood,
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when the blood supply is cut off to neurons
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or when there's a bleed in the brain,
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subsequent to that,
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often there are challenges in maintaining focus.
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This is very common for people that have done sports
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where there's a lot of running into each other
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with your head, like rugby, football, hockey, and so forth,
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but also people who have experienced head blows
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or often overlooked is the fact that
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most traumatic head injury is not actually from sports,
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even football, it's from things like construction work,
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from high impact work of that kind.
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So there does seem to be some efficacy
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of Nupept and paracetam and things like it.
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It's an emerging area.
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And as I mentioned in the US,
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these things are sold over the counter.
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Again, you have to figure out if it's right for you,
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but they are beginning to show some promise
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and I'm intrigued by them
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because of the way that they tap into the cholinergic system
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which is both directly involved in focus
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and the ability to focus,
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but is also important for things related
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to age-related cognitive decline.
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So a decline in cholinergic transmission or acetylcholine
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as we call it in the brain
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is one of the things associated with cognitive decline.
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And it does seem that increasing cholinergic transmission
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can offset some of that cognitive decline
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02:04:00.360
and perhaps even more so in conditions
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such as vascular damage or concussion to the brain.
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If you're interested in atypical treatments for ADHD,
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compounds to improve focus and related themes
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and you like reading about this stuff,
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there's an excellent review article that I can refer you to.
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It's by Ann et al, AHN.
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It was published in 2016.
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So it's a little bit behind the times,
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although it's surprisingly comprehensive given that,
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which lines up all the various drugs that I've discussed,
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racetams and Adderall and Ritalin
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and various forms of dopaminergic agents
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02:04:38.080
and cholinergic agents spells out whether or not
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they are sold over the counter by prescription
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and really lines them up in all their effects,
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their drawbacks, et cetera.
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I'll refer you to that study.
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It's available in its full length form online for free.
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It's on et al, the journal is Neuroplasticity 2016.
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02:04:58.920
Should be very easy to find if you put those keywords in.
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02:05:01.360
And while it is a review, it is a very comprehensive review.
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02:05:04.360
And if you're really into this stuff
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and you also want to learn a thing or two
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02:05:07.980
about how these things interact with neurofeedback, et cetera,
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there's some information in there as well.
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I know I've already covered a lot of information,
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but there is one more category of technology
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for the treatment of ADHD and for enhancement of focus
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02:05:22.520
in anyone that I would like to emphasize.
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And that's transcranial magnetic stimulation.
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02:05:28.880
Transcranial magnetic stimulation, also called TMS,
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02:05:31.940
is achieving increasing popularity nowadays
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02:05:34.560
for the treatment of all sorts of neurologic conditions
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and psychiatric conditions.
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02:05:40.160
It is a non-invasive tool.
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02:05:41.800
It involves taking a coil, it's a device with a coil
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02:05:45.480
that's placed over particular locations in the brain
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02:05:48.960
and then sends magnetic stimulation into the brain.
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02:05:53.320
It can actually pass through the skull
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02:05:54.520
without having to drill through the skull.
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02:05:56.520
And nowadays can be used to both lower
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the amount of activity or increase the amount of activity
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in specific brain areas.
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02:06:04.760
Its spatial precision is not remarkable.
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That doesn't mean it's not of use,
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but it is not a super fine grain tool, okay?
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02:06:16.240
It's not a cannon, but it's also not a needle.
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02:06:19.480
It is somewhere in between.
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02:06:21.180
It can direct the activity of particular brain regions
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at particular depths.
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And as I mentioned, it can increase
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or decrease that activity.
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So for instance, I've had a TMS coil placed on my head,
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not for therapeutic purposes,
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02:06:33.360
even it was, I wouldn't tell you,
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but rather just for, well, I'm a neuroscientist
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and I worked in a lab with one
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for entertainment exploratory purposes.
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Please don't do this at home.
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02:06:44.120
It was placed over my motor cortex,
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02:06:46.760
which generates voluntary action.
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And it was a coil that at that time
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could only inhibit neurons.
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02:06:54.120
And so what I was doing is I was moving objects
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around on a table, just like I am now.
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It was actually a pencil, not a pen.
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And I was tapping the pencil
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and then the TMS coil was turned on.
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And for the life of me, I could not move that pencil, okay?
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Because it was inhibiting my upper motor neurons
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in the portion of my cortex
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02:07:12.920
that controls voluntary activity.
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02:07:15.560
As soon as the coil was turned off,
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I could return to tapping the pencil again.
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Nowadays, it's possible to stimulate motor cortex
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or any area of the brain with some degree of precision
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02:07:26.160
that could create the impulse to move
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02:07:29.500
without actually making the decision to move.
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02:07:31.640
So you can literally engage certain neural circuits
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02:07:34.760
and therefore behaviors and certain thought
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02:07:36.840
and emotional patterns
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02:07:37.940
by way of transcranial magnetic stimulation.
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02:07:40.720
This has far reaching and vast implications
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as you can probably imagine.
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02:07:46.980
In discussing ADHD with a colleague that uses TMS,
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what they are doing is they are taking the TMS coil
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to children and adults that have ADHD
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02:07:59.120
and they're using it to stimulate the portions
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02:08:01.920
of the prefrontal cortex that we talked about earlier
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that engage task-directed focused states.
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So rather than using a drug that generally increases dopamine
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and some of the other chemicals involved,
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they're using directed TMS stimulation of these circuits.
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And fortunately, I was quite relieved to hear this,
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they are combining that with a focused learning task.
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So they're literally teaching the brain to learn
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in a non-invasive way, no drug at all.
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And right now there are experiments,
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02:08:30.880
clinical trials going on comparing TMS of this sort
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to the drug treatments of the sort that we described earlier
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that engage these circuits through pharmacologic mechanisms.
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02:08:40.120
So very exciting times for TMS,
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02:08:43.040
very exciting times for pharmacology related to ADHD
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02:08:48.040
and for enhancing focus in general.
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02:08:49.720
And when I say very exciting times,
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I mean, no drug is perfect,
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but the constellation of drugs that's out there
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is getting much larger,
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but because they tap into different aspects
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of their circuitry,
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02:09:02.120
I do think that we are well on our way
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to identifying the ideal combinations of drug treatments,
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technological treatments and behavioral paradigms
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for increasing focus in both children and adults with ADHD.
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02:09:14.120
And as a final, final point,
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I also want to mention something about technologies
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02:09:18.940
that are making it harder for all of us to focus,
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02:09:22.080
regardless of whether or not
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02:09:23.200
we have preexisting ADHD or not.
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02:09:26.060
You can probably guess where this is going.
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Everybody nowadays seems to have a smartphone.
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I'm sure there are a few individuals out there
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that don't have a smartphone.
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02:09:35.520
Nonetheless, most people have them.
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02:09:37.120
Most kids want one as soon as they can get them
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02:09:40.040
and they are small.
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02:09:43.520
They grab our attention entirely,
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02:09:45.880
but within that small box of attention,
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there are millions of attentional windows scrolling by.
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So just because it's one device that we look at
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does not mean that we are focused.
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We are focused on our phone,
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02:09:58.600
but because of the way in which context
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switches up so fast within the phone,
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02:10:03.800
it's thought that the brain is struggling now
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02:10:06.400
to leave that rapid turnover of context.
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02:10:09.520
Many, many shows, many, many Instagram pages,
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02:10:12.160
many, many Twitter feeds, many, many websites,
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02:10:14.200
basically the whole world, at least in virtual format,
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02:10:17.880
is available within that small box.
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02:10:20.120
Unlike any other technology humans
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have ever dealt with before,
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02:10:23.080
even though there are trillions,
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infinite number of bits of information
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in the actual physical world,
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02:10:29.240
your attentional window, that aperture of constriction
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02:10:32.700
and dilating that visual window
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02:10:34.860
is the way in which you cope
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02:10:36.080
with all that overwhelming information typically.
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02:10:39.120
Well, within the phone,
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your visual aperture is set to a given width.
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02:10:43.980
It's about this big.
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Typically the phone seemed to be getting bigger,
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02:10:46.720
but nonetheless, it's about that big.
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And within there, your attentional window
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is grabbing a near infinite number of bits of information,
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02:10:56.160
colors, movies.
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02:10:57.260
If a picture is worth a thousand words,
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02:10:59.080
a movie is worth a billion pictures.
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02:11:01.400
The brain loves visual motion.
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And so the question is,
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does that sort of interaction on a regular basis
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lead to deficits in the types of attention that we need
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in order to perform well
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02:11:13.580
in work and school relationships, et cetera?
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And the short answer is yes, it does appear so.
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We are inducing a sort of ADHD.
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And while the studies on this are ongoing
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02:11:24.280
because prominent use of smartphones
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really took off right around 2010 and we're only in 2021,
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02:11:30.200
longstanding studies take time,
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which is essentially to say the same thing as longstanding.
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There are some studies and one in particular
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that I'd like to highlight.
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One was actually carried out pretty early in 2014.
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This is a study that explored smartphone use,
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at the time they called it mobile phone use,
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but smartphone use and inattention,
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difficulties in attending in 7,102 adolescents.
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So this is a huge study,
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a population-based cross-sectional study.
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And you will be probably surprised and somewhat dismayed
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to hear that in order to avoid this decrease
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in attentional capacity, adolescents needed
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to use their smartphone for less than 60 minutes per day
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in order to stay focused and centered on their other tasks.
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Otherwise they started to really run into significant issues.
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So 60 minutes is not much.
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I have a feeling that most young people
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are using their phone more than 60 minutes per day.
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I know I am.
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I think for adults, the number is probably higher,
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meaning if you're an adult,
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I'm going to just extrapolate from what I read in this study.
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It seems that probably two hours a day on the phone
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would be the upper limit beyond which
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you would probably experience
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pretty severe attentional deficits.
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I'm a big fan of Cal Newport who wrote the book,
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"'Deep Work.'"
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He's also written the excellent book,
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"'A World Without Email.'"
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I've never met him, but I'm a huge admirer of his work.
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And I will paraphrase something that he said
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far more eloquently than I ever could,
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which is that the brain does not do well
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with constant context switching,
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meaning it can do it,
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but it diminishes our capacity to do meaningful work
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of any other kind.
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And so Cal, as I understand is very,
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he's a computer science professor at Georgetown, by the way,
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is very structured and very disciplined
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in his avoidance of cell phone use.
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I think we're all striving to do that.
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I'm not here to tell you what to do,
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but I think whether or not you have ADHD or not,
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if you're an adolescent,
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limiting your smartphone use to 60 minutes per day or less,
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and if you are an adult to two hours per day or less
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is going to be among the very best ways to maintain,
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just to maintain your ability to focus
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at whatever level you can now.
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And as I always say,
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most of the things that we get recognized for in life,
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success in life in every endeavor,
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whether or not it's school, relationships, sport,
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creative works of any kind are always proportional
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to the amount of focus that we can bring that activity.
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It is important to rest, of course, to get proper sleep,
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but I stand behind that statement.
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And I leave you with that study about attention
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and cell phones and how cell phones are indeed eroding
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our attentional capacities.
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So I realized I covered a lot of information about ADHD
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and the biology of focus and how to get better at focusing.
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We talked about the behavioral
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and psychological phenotypes of ADHD.
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We talked about the underlying neural circuitry.
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We also talked about the neurochemistry,
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and we talked about the various prescription drug treatments
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that are aimed at that neurochemistry
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and aimed at increasing focus
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in children and adults with ADHD.
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We also talked about over-the-counter compounds,
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the role of particular types of diets and elimination diets.
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And we talked about interactions
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between these various features in dictating outcomes
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for ADHD and enhancing focus in general.
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We also talked a little bit about emerging neurotechnologies
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and how certain technologies like the smartphone
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are no doubt hindering our ability to focus
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and put us at greater risk of developing ADHD at all ages.
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I do acknowledge the irony and somewhat the contradiction
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of doing a two-hour plus episode on ADHD
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if indeed people who are watching this
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have challenges with attention.
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I want to emphasize that this podcast,
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like all of our podcast episodes,
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are timestamped for a specific reason.
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They are designed to be digested
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in whatever batch one chooses, right?
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You don't have to watch or listen
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to the entire thing all at once.
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However, if you've gotten to this point in the podcast,
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I want to thank you.
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I do hope that you've learned a lot about this condition.
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I hope you've also learned a lot
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about your own capacity to focus
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and things that you can do to enhance your focus.
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We even talked about a tool that takes just one
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17-minute session to enhance your ability to focus
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thereafter, presumably forever.
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If you're enjoying this podcast and you're learning from it,
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And for those of you that would like to support research
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During today's episode,
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we talked a lot about supplement-based compounds.
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If you're interested in supplements
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and you want to see the supplements that I personally take,
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That's T-H-O-R-N-E slash the letter U slash Huberman.
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And you can see everything that I take,
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and you can get 20% off any of those supplements.
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Or if you navigate into the Thorne site through that portal,
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Supplements aren't for everybody.
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You by no means have to take supplements,
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but if you are going to take supplements,
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it's important that you take supplements
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from a source that's reputable,
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in which the ingredients are very high quality,
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and in which the amount of the ingredients
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that listed on the bottle
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actually matches what's in the bottle.
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That's why we partnered with Thorne,
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because they have the highest levels of stringency
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in terms of quality and specificity of the ingredients.
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And finally, I want to thank you for your time
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and your attention.
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And as always, thank you for your interest in science.
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I'll see you next time.