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How to Optimize Your Brain-Body Function & Health | Huberman Lab Podcast #30



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Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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where we discuss science and science-based tools
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for everyday life.
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I'm Andrew Huberman,
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and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology
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at Stanford School of Medicine.
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Today, we continue in our discussion about sensation
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or how we sense things.
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On previous episodes, we talked about sensing light
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and sound waves for things like vision and hearing.
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Today, we are going to talk about our sense of self
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or what's called interoception.
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Interoception is our sensing of our internal landscape,
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things like our heartbeat, our breathing, and our gut,
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how full our gut might happen to be
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or how empty our gut might happen to be,
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but also our inner landscape with respect to chemistry,
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how acidic or how good or bad we feel on the inside.
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This discussion about sense of self and interoception
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has many important actionable items
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that relate to bodily health and brain health,
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and believe it or not,
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our ability to perform well or perform poorly in life.
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Indeed, it has profound influence on our rates of healing.
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So today we are going to talk about
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all the aspects of our inner landscape
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and how our brain and body communicate,
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and there will be many actionable protocols
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as we go along that discussion.
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Before we begin our discussion about sense of self,
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I want to highlight some very recently
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published research findings
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that I believe are immediately actionable
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and that everybody should be aware of.
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These are data that were published by my colleague,
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Justin Sonnenberg's laboratory
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at Stanford University School of Medicine,
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and the data were published in the journal Cell,
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which is a very, very high stringency cell press journal.
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So phenomenal data.
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What the study showed
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was that individuals given a high fiber diet
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actually experience less diversity
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of what's called the gut microbiome.
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The number of positive or health promoting bacteria
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in the gut was actually reduced by a high fiber diet.
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Whereas individuals that ate just a couple of servings
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of fermented food each day
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experience important and beneficial increases
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in anti-inflammatory markers,
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and that could be traced back to improvements
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in the gut microbiome diversity.
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The diversity of bugs,
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literally little bacteria that live in the gut,
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which might sound bad,
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but they are actually very health promoting.
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I'm going to get into all the details of this study
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later in the episode,
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but I just wanted to emphasize these findings
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because they are immediately actionable.
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I think for most people,
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ingesting one or two servings of fermented food each day
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is reasonable and does not bring with it
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tremendous costs or tremendous inconvenience.
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And I think many people are ingesting high fiber diets,
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thinking that that's the best way
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to improve their gut microbiome.
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So while these data may prove to be controversial
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among the folks out there in the nutrition community
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that really promote high fiber diet,
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I want to just emphasize that these data
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were looked at in a very unbiased way.
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They were done with large scale screens
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of all sorts of inflammatory markers.
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There was no specific hypothesis going in,
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it was purely exploratory,
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but the data are very, very clear.
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It doesn't mean you shouldn't eat fiber,
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doesn't mean that fiber is bad,
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but it really shows that eating fermented foods,
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just one or two servings a day,
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and maybe even ramping up to three or four servings per day
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can be very beneficial for many aspects of health.
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Before we go any further,
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I'd like to emphasize that this podcast
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is separate from my teaching and research roles at Stanford.
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It is, however, part of my desire and effort
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to bring zero cost to consumer information about science
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and science-related tools to the general public.
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If you're somebody who cares about your immediate
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and long-term health,
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and if you're somebody who's interested in performance
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of any kind in work, in relationships, et cetera,
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today's topic, I believe,
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is among the more important ones for you.
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Of all the topics I could cover,
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this thing that we call sense of self,
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which is also called interoception,
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has perhaps the most foundational level of importance
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for all that we feel, all that we do,
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and all that we are capable of doing.
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In fact, I will go so far as to say that interoception,
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or our ability to sense our inner real estate,
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is right there next to sleep,
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and perhaps one other feature of our health
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and bodily function that primarily determine
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how good we feel in the now, in the short term,
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and in the long-term,
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and sets the stage for everything we are capable of doing,
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and if we don't take care of this thing
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that we call interoception,
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just like if we don't take care of sleep,
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we cannot perform well and we will not remain healthy.
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Interoception and sense of self
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are essentially the same thing.
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I will use those terms interchangeably,
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at least for sake of today's discussion.
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And I promise that if you can learn a little bit
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about the mechanisms of self-sensing,
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of understanding what's going on in your internal milieu,
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as we say, your internal environment,
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you will position yourself to do some very simple things
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that can lead to outsize positive effects on everything,
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from sleep, to body composition, to mental focus, to mood,
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your ability to regulate stress,
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and indeed even your ability to heal and recovery
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from injuries of different kinds,
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brain injury and bodily injury.
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So sense of self is absolutely crucial.
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It's sometimes called our sixth sense,
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right alongside the other five senses,
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like hearing, vision, touch, taste, smell, et cetera.
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But sense of self is different.
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Sense of self is really about what's going on internally
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within the confines of our skin.
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And it involves two key features
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that if you can understand those features
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and you understand what modulates
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or changes our ability to sense those features,
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there are a lot of things that you can do
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in terms of how you structure your nutritional practices,
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how you relate to your exercise practices,
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perhaps even certain things that you take
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in terms of supplementation
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that can basically make you feel better,
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more alert, and more capable for everything.
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I don't think that's a hyperbolic statement.
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In fact, I know it's not a hyperbolic statement
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because we have a system in our body
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that connects our brain to all of our bodily organs
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and connects all of those bodily organs to our brain.
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And that communication between brain and body
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in both directions creates a situation
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where either we are positioned to do things well
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or we are positioned to do things poorly.
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So I really want to dive in and dissect
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what is this system of brain-body communication?
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What does it look like?
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What are the actual neurons and connections?
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And as I do that,
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I promise that I'm going to place protocols,
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tools that you can apply in order to make sure
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that those neurons and connections are working optimally.
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So let's begin by talking about what system
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communicates the brain to the body
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and the body back to the brain.
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The system that's most often associated with this
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is our 10th cranial nerve called the vagus nerve.
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The word vagus relates to the word vagabond,
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which is to wander.
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And indeed the vagus nerve is a vast,
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enormous wandering set of nerves.
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So it's not one nerve.
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It's not like one fiber, one axon, as we say.
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In the nervous system, we have these wires
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we call axons that let neurons communicate.
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It's a bunch of neurons and a bunch of wires
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that go everywhere.
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So where do they go?
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Well, they leave the brain and the brainstem.
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The brainstem is kind of the back of your brain.
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If you touch the back of your neck,
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it's about three inches deep to where you're touching.
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The neurons that are there send information
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into the body to control your bodily organs.
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How fast your heart is beating, how fast you're breathing,
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how fast your digestion is occurring.
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Even things like whether or not you are going to secrete
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so-called killer cells, your immune cells from your spleen
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to go ward off bacteria.
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Now, the neurons there don't know what to do
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unless they receive information about what's going on
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within the body.
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And within the body, your heart, your lungs, your diaphragm,
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your gut, so everything from your intestines
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to your stomach, et cetera, and your spleen
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are sending information also up to the brain.
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So as I mentioned before, it's a two-way street.
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So the vagus nerve is a very important nerve,
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but just by saying vagus nerve, it sounds like a singular.
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It sounds like one thing.
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But actually what we're talking about
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is a series of super highways.
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It's like Google maps.
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It's got stuff going everywhere with alternate routes,
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communicating back and forth.
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There are two fundamental features
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of what's going on in your body
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that need to be communicated to your brain,
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these neurons in your brainstem,
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in order for your brain and your body
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to work together correctly.
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And the two types of information are mechanical information.
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So things like pressure, things like lack of pressure,
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and chemical information, whether or not your gut is acidic
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or whether or not it's not acidic,
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whether or not you have some sort of pathogen,
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you know, something that you ate
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or that got into your body somehow and is making you sick,
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or whether or not you don't have a pathogen in your body.
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So you've got mechanical sensing and chemical sensing.
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So when you think about your sense of self
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and your ability to understand what's going on in your body,
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if you feel good or if you feel bad,
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your sense of self is dependent
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on these mechanical phenomenon and these chemical phenomenon.
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And for every organ in your body,
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whether or not that's your heart or your lungs
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or your spleen, both the mechanical information
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about that organ, for instance,
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is if your gut is full or empty,
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whether or not your heart is beating fast or beating slowly,
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that's mechanical, and chemical information,
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whether or not your gut feels nice
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and whether, you know, when I say nice,
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I mean whether or not it has a balance of acidity
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and alkalinity that feels right to you
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or whether or not your gut feels off,
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it doesn't feel quite right, that's chemical information.
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If you are not getting enough oxygen
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and levels of carbon dioxide and other gas go up too high,
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so your lungs can register that
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and that chemical information is sent to your brain
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and then your brain does certain things,
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actually it really encourages you to do certain things
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in order to adjust that chemistry.
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So the first principle that everyone should understand
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about their sense of self is that they are sensing
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mechanical and chemical information
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about every organ in their body, except for one,
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and that's the brain.
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Your brain actually doesn't have pain receptors,
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it doesn't even have touch receptors,
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the brain is a command center,
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it helps drive and govern changes in the organs of the body,
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but your brain doesn't move, at least not much,
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it can move a little bit, fluid moves within it,
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but as long as you're healthy, it's not moving that much.
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Your brain has no sensation of its own,
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in fact, when they do brain surgery on people,
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they will anesthetize or put some anesthesia on the scalp,
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they'll cut away the skin there
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so that people don't feel anything,
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they'll use some anesthesia, they'll peel back the skin,
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and then they'll use a, well, let's call it what it is,
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it's a bone saw,
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and they basically saw open a little window in the skull,
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I've actually done this before and seen this before,
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I've done this many times before,
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and once you're inside the brain,
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you can put electrodes in there
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and you can put various things in there,
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of course, all for therapeutic purposes,
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and you do that without any anesthesia
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to the actual brain tissue,
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because it has no receptors to sense anything,
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it doesn't have pain receptors,
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it doesn't have pressure receptors, none of that,
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when you have a headache
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and your head feels like there's too much pressure,
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well, that's because of receptors that lie outside the brain
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so your organs are different,
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they need to tell your brain what's going on,
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and there are ways that you can control the mechanical
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and the chemical state of your organs
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in ways that are very powerful,
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and this is crucial to do
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because if you can properly regulate
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the mechanical and chemical environment of your body,
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your brain functions better,
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this is absolutely clear from data
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that if your gut is healthy,
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if you get the alkalinity right, the acidity right,
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and if your spleen is healthy and happy,
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and if your lungs are working properly,
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not just breathing and pumping in and out air,
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but you're breathing at the right cadence
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for a particular activity,
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then your brain will function better,
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so let's talk about how you can adjust the mechanical
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and chemical environment of your organs
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in order to make your brain better,
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and how your brain can make the mechanical
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and chemical environment within your organs function better,
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for instance, we're going to talk about
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how you can change the chemistry of your gut
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in order for your brain to be able to focus better,
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think better, remember better, and sleep better,
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and we're going to talk about how you can change
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the chemistry of other organs in your body
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such that your immune system will function better
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than it would otherwise,
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and you can actually heal faster
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from small cuts and bruises,
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but also injuries of any kind, even major injuries,
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so as I mentioned before, we've got these organs,
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the heart, the lungs, the diaphragm,
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and I'll explain what that is, the gut and the spleen,
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and the spleen is this immune organ,
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let's take one example of these
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and explain how mechanical and chemical information
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from this particular set of organs
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communicates to the brain
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and how that changes how our brain works,
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and the organ I'd like to focus on first
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are the lungs and the diaphragm,
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so we're all familiar with our lungs,
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these two big bags of air,
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but they're actually not two big bags of air,
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they actually have little tiny sacs within them,
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actually millions of little sacs
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called the avioli of the lungs,
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the avioli of the lungs are like little tiny balloons
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throughout our lungs,
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and the more of those balloons we have,
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the more air that we can actually contain,
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so we are not two big bags of air in there, our lungs,
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we actually have millions and millions
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of little tiny bags of air within those lungs,
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those little bags of air can fill up
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or they can deflate, right?
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Just like your lungs overall can fill up
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or they can deflate,
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the diaphragm is a muscle,
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it's kind of shaped like a dome,
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so it's kind of a, you know,
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think about a basketball or a soccer ball
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that has most of the air pushed out of it,
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and so it's kind of crescent shape or dome shaped,
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and it sits below our lungs,
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and the way the diaphragm and the lungs work together
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is very interesting,
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the diaphragm is actually skeletal muscle,
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so it's just like a bicep or a quadricep,
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and the fact that it is skeletal muscle is important
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because it has a unique property,
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which is that you can control it voluntarily,
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you can decide to take control of your diaphragm
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by just consciously deciding
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you want to breathe in a particular way,
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just like you can take conscious control over your legs,
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they will work just fine
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if you're not thinking about them as you walk,
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as provided you already know how to walk,
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but at any moment you can decide to change the rate
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of your walking, your so-called cadence of walking,
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so the diaphragm as a skeletal muscle
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also has that property,
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the diaphragm moves up and down
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depending on how you breathe,
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or rather I should say how the diaphragm moves up and down
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determines how you breathe,
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how you breathe is also dependent on little muscles
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that are between your ribs,
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the intercostals and other muscles,
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if you're a martial arts fan,
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Bruce Lee was famous for having
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these very pronounced intercostals
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from doing all sorts of bridging exercise, et cetera,
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but those are the muscles,
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and we all have them even if some of us,
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most of us don't have intercostals like Bruce Lee,
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so when you breathe, a couple of things happen,
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but let's talk about the mechanical things first,
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and then let's talk about how those mechanical steps
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relate back to the brain and what that does for the brain,
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and I can promise you that if you develop an awareness
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of these mechanical changes,
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you do not have to go through extensive breath work practice
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or do extensive breath work,
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you will immediately, believe it or not,
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develop a sense of your breathing self,
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of your lungs and diaphragm,
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it takes no practice, but once you do it,
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you will forever be changed
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in terms of your awareness of your breathing
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and your ability to leverage your breathing,
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kind of like the steering wheel on a car
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in order to shift your brain
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in the direction that you want to go,
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so it's a very powerful system,
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and the way it works is the following,
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and this will also incorporate the heart,
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so, and by the heart, I don't mean it in the emotional sense
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although we don't rule out emotions
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here at the Huberman Lab Podcast, we like emotions,
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but I'm talking about the heart as an organ,
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as a beating organ that circulates blood,
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so when we inhale, these little sacs in our lungs fill up
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and our lungs expand, and when we do that,
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we take up space in our thoracic cavity
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and our diaphragm moves down, okay?
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When we exhale, the diaphragm moves up,
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the lungs get smaller, okay?
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So inhales, diaphragm moves down, exhales,
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diaphragm moves up, this actually controls our heart rate,
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but it does it by changing the way that our brain works,
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and it works in the following way,
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so when we inhale, our lungs fill, our diaphragm moves down,
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our heart actually has a little more space
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because the diaphragm's moved down,
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so the heart gets a little bit bigger, physically bigger,
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not in the emotional sense, but physically bigger,
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and as a consequence, whatever blood is in the heart
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flows at a slower rate because it's a larger volume,
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so bigger volume heart, same amount of blood inside the heart
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means slower flow, okay, sort of like expanding a pipe.
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The brain registers that
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because there are a set of neurons on the heart
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called the sinoatrial node,
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it sends that information to the brain,
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that information is registered by the brain,
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and the brain sends a message back to the heart
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to speed the heart up, so every time you inhale,
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because of these mechanical changes in the diaphragm and lungs
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and because of the mechanical changes in the heart,
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your brain sends a signal to the heart to speed the heart up,
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so if you do long inhales or you inhale more vigorously,
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you actually are speeding your heart up.
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Now, of course, you have to exhale as well,
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but for instance, if I were to inhale very long,
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like the entire time my heart rate is increasing,
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and then if I did a quick exhale, something else will happen
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but if I kept doing that, my heart rate would increase,
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it's not going to increase linearly and forever,
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but it will increase with each inhale,
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or I can simply make my inhales more vigorous
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and my heart rate will speed up,
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this is an autonomic and automatic relationship
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between the diaphragm, the lungs, the brain, and the heart.
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Now, if inhales speed the heart up, what happens on exhales?
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When we exhale, the diaphragm moves up,
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it's a little counterintuitive,
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but you can kind of think about it
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as like pushing the plunge on a syringe, right?
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When you exhale, this thing moves up,
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and as the diaphragm moves up, the heart has less space,
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meaning it gets a little bit smaller,
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which means that whatever volume of blood
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is inside the heart moves faster through that smaller volume
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that information is sent to the brain
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via these collection of neurons called the sinoatrial node
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for you aficionados.
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The brain then sends information via the vagus nerve
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back to the heart to slow the heart down.
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So while inhales speed up the heart, that's the net effect,
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exhales slow the heart down,
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and the reason they slow the heart down
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is because of a register in the change in mechanical pressure
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between the diaphragm, the lungs, and the heart.
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So this is, to me,
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the simplest and most straightforward example
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of how the brain is changing the way our organs work,
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our heart in this case,
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according to changes in mechanical interoception.
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Now, we're not always aware of this.
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Some of us are aware of it, some of us aren't.
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If you do it right now, you will be aware of it.
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So you can try this.
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Basically, this is an experiment or an example
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in interoception, in sensing one's self.
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So if you inhale, doesn't matter how long you inhale,
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I'll do it for a couple seconds,
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and then exhale twice as long.
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Nose or mouth, doesn't matter.
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The entire time that you're exhaling,
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you're slowing your heart down.
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So just as a car has an accelerator and a brake,
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or you can slow a car by coming off the accelerator,
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when you exhale,
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you're effectively coming off the accelerator,
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or if you want to think about it differently,
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you're hitting the brake.
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You're slowing down your heart rate.
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Now, normally your heart rate stays in more or less
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the same range for a given activity,
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because you're inhaling and exhaling.
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But this is just a simple way of showing
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that mechanical changes in your viscera
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can change the way that your brain works,
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and then your brain changes the way that those viscera work.
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And it's a very concrete agreements,
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like a contract between the organs of your body
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and the brain.
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In fact, you can think about this contract
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in more detail,
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and you can leverage this in a very powerful way
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to set the conditions of your mind.
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If you want to be more calm, emphasize exhales.
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And the simplest way to do this,
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I've talked about this many times before,
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but if you haven't heard me say it,
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this will become immediately clear,
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is to emphasize exhales
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through what's called a physiological sigh.
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Two inhales, could be through the nose or the mouth,
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but ideally through the nose.
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So, followed by a long exhale.
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Ah.
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Those double inhales are kind of important
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because what they do is they maximally fill
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all those little sacks in your lungs.
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And then when you breathe out,
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you're exhaling as much of the so-called carbon dioxide
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in your system as possible.
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We'll talk about carbon dioxide in a second.
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So the fastest way to calm down is to emphasize exhales.
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When you make exhales longer,
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you're slowing your heart rate, you're calming down.
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You don't need any sophisticated training.
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You don't have to do this for minutes on end.
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You don't have to do anything.
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You don't even have to call it breath work.
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It's just respiration.
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And in fact, you do this every night when you go to sleep
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and carbon dioxide builds up too much in your bloodstream,
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or if you hold your breath or something,
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or you watch an animal or a small child that's sleeping,
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they will occasionally do these double inhale long exhales.
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It's a way of slowing the heart down
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and eliminating carbon dioxide.
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The opposite is also true.
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If you inhale deeply or vigorously
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and then exhale less long or less vigorously,
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you will increase your level of alertness
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through these purely mechanical aspects
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of your interoception.
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So for instance, if I were to take a big, deep inhale
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and then a short exhale, and then another one,
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big inhale, short exhale,
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it only takes two or three of those
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before you start to feel more alert.
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And that's because your heart rate is increasing.
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And actually, if you keep doing that
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for 25 or 30 breaths of inhale deep, short exhale,
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you will start to secrete a lot of adrenaline.
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This hormone that comes from your kidneys
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and from your brainstem make you feel really alert.
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You will actually feel as if you've had a couple of espresso.
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You will immediately wake up.
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And there's an intermediate form of breathing,
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which is sometimes called box breathing,
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but it's really equal inhale and exhale duration.
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And these, it basically goes like this.
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You're going to inhale.
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So do this for maybe two, three seconds.
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Inhale, then hold, two, three seconds,
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then exhale, two, three seconds,
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then hold, two, three seconds.
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Most often people forget to hold.
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So it's inhale, hold, exhale, hold
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for equal or more or less equal duration.
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So it could be one second, could be two seconds,
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could be three seconds.
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Most people find that when you get out past five seconds,
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they start to struggle
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to maintain the so-called box breathing.
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And most people can't consciously box breathe
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for too terribly long without having to think about it.
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But the point here is that through purely mechanical means,
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changing the way that you breathe,
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emphasizing inhales or exhales or keeping them the same
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will change the way that your brain works,
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how alert you are and how well you function in anything.
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And again, this doesn't mean that breath work has no value.
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It's just simply to say that long extended protocols
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of breath work are simply,
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they are truly simply just an exploration
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of this fundamental relationship
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between the mechanics of your internal organs
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and your brain
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and how your brain controls those internal organs.
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Now, you might ask, well, how is this pressure known?
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How does the body actually know how full the lungs are?
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Now, this is an answer
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that's more for the aficionados out there,
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but I've had a few requests or I should say
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thousands of requests for more in-depth science.
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So if you're not interested in more in-depth science,
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just this will allow you to tune out now
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for maybe just 10 seconds.
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And if you are interested, pay careful attention.
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There is a set of receptors
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which are called piezoreceptors, P-I-E-Z-O, piezoreceptors.
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Piezo means pressure.
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And these were discovered a few years ago
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by a couple of different laboratories.
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But one of the main ones,
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one of the main laboratories
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that discovered these piezoreceptors
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is the laboratory of Ardem Padepuchen.
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I love saying his name,
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even though I'm probably pronouncing it.
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He's a friend and a former colleague.
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When my lab was down in San Diego,
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he's at the Scripps Institute.
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He's a Howard Hughes Medical Institute investigator,
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which just basically means that he's a total stud of science
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and has made many important discoveries.
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The piezoreceptors line many tissues
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and inform the brain about pressure in those tissues.
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But the lungs have a particular category of piezoreceptors
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called piezo two receptors.
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And as you fill your lungs
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and these little sacks of air, the alveoli fill,
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the piezo two receptors,
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because of the way they react to that filling,
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send information by way of a bunch of neurons,
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a bunch of wires up to the brain
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and tell you how full your lungs are.
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So that's the kind of mechanistic detail.
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If you want to learn more about that,
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you can look up Ardem's lab at the Scripps
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and the beautiful work that they
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and other laboratories are doing on piezos.
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Piezos are pretty cool.
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I think I also just like saying piezo.
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So that's why I brought that up as well.
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So mechanical sensing of the lungs, heart, and diaphragm.
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And now let's talk about chemical sensing
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because there's carbon dioxide and there's oxygen.
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And this is really simple.
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You have oxygen and carbon dioxide and you need them both.
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I sometimes hear people talk about carbon dioxide
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as this bad thing and oxygen as a good thing.
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You need them both
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and you need them in the appropriate balance.
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You have a collection of neurons in your brain
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that register when carbon dioxide levels
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get to a certain point in your bloodstream.
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When that point, that threshold is reached,
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these neurons fire and they cause you to breathe.
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It's sometimes called the gasp reflex.
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It just makes you want to inhale.
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And as a consequence, you bring in more oxygen.
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So we don't really breathe to get oxygen.
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That's a by-product of inhaling
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to eliminate carbon dioxide.
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You don't want carbon dioxide levels to go too high.
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In fact, if you want to freak somebody out
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and we do these in experiments
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and I don't recommend you do this,
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you just increase the levels of carbon dioxide
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that they inhale and the brain will go
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into an almost immediate panic response
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because the health of all our tissues depends
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on keeping a nice balance between carbon dioxide and oxygen.
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You don't want carbon dioxide levels to go too high.
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So the impulse to breathe, if you're underwater
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or if you hold your breath is triggered by these neurons.
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And the triggering of those neurons
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comes from elevated carbon dioxide in the bloodstream.
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And for those of you that don't quite know
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how to conceptualize the relationship
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between bloodstream and breath,
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I do think it's important.
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And maybe you remember this from high school biology
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but if you don't, I'll make it clear for you now.
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It's very easy.
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You inhale air and that air and the oxygen molecules
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in that air actually move from your lungs
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into the bloodstream because these little avioli
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of the lungs, those little sacks of air,
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they basically have a lot of little micro vessels
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and capillaries, little tiny, basically blood vessels
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essentially, although they're mostly capillaries,
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micro capillaries, little tiny ones that line them.
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So there's actually an interface, an opportunity
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for air and molecules within the air to pass into the blood
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and then they move in your bloodstream.
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And when you exhale, the opposite is true.
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So you can move things from the air into your bloodstream
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or from your bloodstream into the air by way of the lungs.
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And there's a lot more detail to it.
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And I'm sure those of you that are experts out there,
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if you want to put some stuff in the comments,
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maybe a little bit of an kind of intermediate tutorial,
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you might even title it intermediate tutorial.
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If you know a lot about this, just I'll check it,
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but make sure you get the details right.
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Make sure you know the process.
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And I find that for people that are interested
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in understanding how breathing really works,
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it's really nice to think about the relationship
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between the heart and the vascular system,
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the blood and the air system,
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the respiration system and breathing,
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because those two things are very,
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we say they're interdigitated,
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they're interwoven with one another.
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So how's this work?
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Well, carbon dioxide is too high.
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You breathe in, you inspire, you inhale.
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As a consequence, when you exhale,
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you offload carbon dioxide.
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There's a really cool way that you can explore
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this chemistry of your breathing and your bloodstream
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and the way that your brain works
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in ways that can really benefit your health.
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And it works the following way.
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You want to essentially sit or lie down.
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It doesn't really matter.
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You definitely don't want to be anywhere near water,
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not a bathtub, not a hot tub,
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not a, you know, not a cold dunk or something.
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In fact, don't even be in a puddle.
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And what you want to do in this case
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is you're going to breathe in deep,
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so that's going to increase your heart rate,
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and then exhale passively
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by just letting air fall out of your mouth.
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So it would look something like this.
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So let's say you breathe in vigorously
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and then you let the air just fall out of your mouth.
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When you do that, what you're essentially doing
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is you're bringing in a lot of oxygen
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through that deep breath,
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and you're exhaling a little bit of that carbon dioxide.
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But if you were to repeat it 25 times, maybe 30 times,
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it doesn't matter if it's 25 or 30, somewhere in there,
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you would essentially start bringing in a lot of oxygen
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and blowing off or exhaling a lot of carbon dioxide.
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So you're actually going to change the chemistry
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of your internal landscape and you can then sense it.
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You can interocept what that is like.
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And there are some really interesting reasons
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for wanting to do that.
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So I'm not going to do all 25 or 30 now,
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maybe do five or 10,
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so you can get a sense of what it looks like
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so that it's clear.
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I'm going to essentially demonstrate now.
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So it's inhale, exhale through the mouth.
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I am inhaling through the nose.
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Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.
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So it's essentially, excuse me,
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a two second or so inhale,
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and then a one second or so exhale.
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And as I was doing that,
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I can kind of feel my face get flush
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and my body is heating up and my brain is heating up.
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What's happening there?
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Well, that pattern of breathing is increasing levels
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of adrenaline in my brain and body,
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and I'm getting more alert.
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Then after 25 or 30 of those, you exhale all your air.
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You dump all your air.
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You can do that your nose or your mouth.
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And then you hold your breath with your lungs empty
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for about 15 to 30 seconds.
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Now, for those of you that want to explore this,
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and please be careful as you explore this,
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don't do anything stupid,
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like do this while you're driving or something like that.
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You can exhale all your air.
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And what you'll find then is you can hold your breath
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for a very long time.
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And the reason you can do that
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is because you've blown off all the carbon dioxide
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or most of the carbon dioxide in your bloodstream.
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So you've shifted the chemistry of your blood
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by breathing in a particular way.
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And by doing that, you are no longer triggering
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these neurons that cause the gasp reflex
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or the reflex to breathe.
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Now, of course, you have to breathe sooner or later,
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but what you'll find is if normally your ability
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to hold your breath is a minute or so
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before you really feel that gasp reflex kick in,
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you might find that you can go 90 seconds or two minutes.
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And with some practice,
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people find that they can start holding their breath
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for three or four minutes or longer.
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This is actually how free divers do what they do.
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I do not want anyone free diving.
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If you're going to learn free diving,
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please learn it from an expert.
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Many people die trying to teach themselves out of free dive
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or trying to teach their friends out of free dive
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when they don't know what they're doing.
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This is not what this is about.
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Again, don't do this anywhere near water,
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but it is a very interesting exploration
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of how you can shift the chemistry of your bloodstream
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by modulating your air,
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by modulating the mechanics of your diaphragm and lungs,
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and thereby shift the way your mind works, your brain.
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In fact, what you'll notice is that even though
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during that 25 or 30 breaths, you'll feel very alert.
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When you exhale all your air and you're in the breath hold,
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you will feel very alert, but very, very calm.
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Now, this is interesting because it's a state
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that we all sort of want to achieve, alert but calm,
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but have a hard time achieving.
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And so for those of you that have a hard time
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obtaining focus for sake of work
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or focus for sake of anything, I should say,
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and when you are able to achieve focus,
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it's through the use of things like stimulants,
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or you feel like you have to have a cold shower or ice bath,
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or you have to have four espresso in order to be alert,
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but then you're too alert, you're jittery, you can't focus.
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This pattern of breathing can lend itself very well
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to entering states of alert but calm
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for the 10 or even 20 minutes that follow that breathing.
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And then you could repeat it if you want.
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So it's a very useful practice to explore.
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Some of you may be familiar with this practice
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and so-called Wim Hof breathing.
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Wim Hof is a practitioner of what's called tumor breathing.
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Tumor breathing has been around for centuries.
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And for those of you that are familiar with breath work
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and yoga practices, I acknowledge that nothing
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I just described is new based on science.
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However, the science informs why those practices work.
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And just as a little mini editorial,
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I just want to emphasize as well that one thing
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that this podcast is really about is trying to remove
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fancy nomenclature, whether or not it's yogic nomenclature
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or scientific nomenclature so that people
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can access protocols.
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Because the moment we start naming things after people
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or calling them tumor, et cetera,
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I have no problem with that,
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but it doesn't inform how the practices are done,
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nor does it inform the underlying mechanisms.
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So here I'm trying to teach you the mechanisms.
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And as a final point to that,
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the most powerful form of breathing is the one
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that takes into account the fundamental mechanisms
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that inhales increased heart rate,
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that exhales decrease heart rate,
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and that carbon dioxide and oxygen relate to the bloodstream
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and the brain in particular ways.
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Once you understand those components,
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then you can create your own so-called breath work practices.
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You can breathe in the ways that best serve you,
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as opposed to thinking that one protocol is the best
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or holy protocol for everything, because it's simply not.
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As a final, final point, I want to say that as you shift
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the way that you breathe,
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whether or not you're blowing off more carbon dioxide
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or bringing in more oxygen,
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you are fundamentally changing the chemistry
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of your internal milieu of your body.
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And that has been shown to have important effects
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on the way that your immune system functions
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and the way that you deal with inflammation
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and all sorts of different sort of things
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that can enter your body and cause problems
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or conditions of stress, et cetera.
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So I will explore that further as the episode goes on,
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but I want to move on to just touch on one other aspect
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of breathing that's purely mechanical,
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which I think is very interesting and important,
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which relates to a particular reflex
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that you're going to be very familiar with in a second
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and that can serve you very well in times of extreme stress.
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The reflex I'm referring to is something called
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the Herring-Brewer reflex.
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I'm not going to go into details
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about how the Herring-Brewer reflex works,
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but it has to do with particular classes of neurons
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and cells that are called a baroreceptors.
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Those are basically pressure receptors.
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They sense pressure.
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And basically what the Herring-Brewer reflex is about
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is that when your lung is inflated,
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your desire to breathe is reduced.
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So you can try that right now.
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You can inhale huge big thing of air and hold, okay?
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Your desire to breathe will kick in later
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than were you to exhale all your air and hold your breath.
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When you exhale all your air and hold your breath,
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unless you've done the sort of protocol
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I described a few minutes ago
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of doing a bunch of inhales and exhales first
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in a very deliberate way, you will feel empty.
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Those baroreceptors are going to be firing like crazy
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saying there's no pressure in here.
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There's no pressure in here.
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I got nothing in here.
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You need to breathe.
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You need to breathe and the gas reflex will kick in sooner.
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You can apply that in all sorts of situations
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related to exercise, related to modulating stress, et cetera.
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So the Herring-Brewer reflex is a very powerful one.
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This is why you take a big deep breath
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before you go underwater, all right?
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You're not going to exhale all your air and go underwater.
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If you were to exhale all your air and go underwater,
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you would absolutely feel the need to come up sooner
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for a breath of air than had you a full tank, so to speak,
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a full lungs full of air.
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And this is also the way that people teach themselves
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to feel comfortable underwater.
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So when you learn how to swim, you learn how to swim
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both by having air in your lungs while you're underwater
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and no air in your lungs while you're underwater.
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In any event, the Herring-Brewer reflex
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is yet another dimension to the way
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that mechanical pressure influences
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your brain's decision-making about what to do
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with your body, in this case, whether or not to breathe.
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So now I want to shift away from breathing
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and diaphragm and lungs and move toward another organ
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within our viscera, which is our gut.
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So this includes our stomach and our intestines,
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our esophagus and so forth.
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It's been said before, both by me and by others,
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that we are but a series of tubes.
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And indeed, that's true.
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Believe it or not, every system in your body is a tube.
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Your brain is actually a tube
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that connects to your spinal cord, which is also a tube.
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You started off as a tube.
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You were like a churro, you know, those like churros,
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I don't know if you're not familiar with churros,
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they're like donuts that are shaped like a tube.
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That's essentially what you look like early in development,
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not long after conception.
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And the front end of that churro grew and grew and grew,
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but you always maintained a hollow through that tube.
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That's why you have what are called ventricles, gaps,
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or a space in your brain and spinal cord
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that run the length of your brain and spinal cord
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and fluid, cerebral spinal fluid
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and other things move through that space.
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We're going to return to the ventricles later.
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They are very, very important.
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They're just space filled with fluid, but they do a lot.
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Similarly, your digestive system starts with the tube
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at your mouth and of course goes down through your throat.
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And then you've got all the elements of the stomach
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and the intestines, and then it comes out the other end.
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So you are, but a series of different tubes,
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your vascular system, a series of other tubes.
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So your tubes, the way your digestive system works
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is to communicate to your brain about the status
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of the mechanical pressures along this tube.
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So within your stomach and your intestines, et cetera,
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and the chemical status of that tube
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at various portions within that tube
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to inform your brain about how your brain
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should control that tube.
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So let's start with the mechanical sensing of your gut.
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If you drink a lot of fluid, or if you eat a lot of food,
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your gut will fill up.
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Your stomach will fill up with food.
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Now it gets digested there.
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It gets digested elsewhere along your digestive tract too,
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of course, but it starts getting digested there
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because along this tube, you have a series
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of what are called sphincters,
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which basically are like little draw pulls.
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Have you ever had a laundry bag
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where it has a drawstring on it?
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You pull it and then it cinches shut
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and then you can open it again.
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That's what those are.
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Those are sphincter openings
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and you have them in your throat.
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You have them along your digestive tract
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all the way to the end.
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Food will enter your gut.
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And if there's a lot of that food, pressure receptors,
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some of which are these piezo receptors,
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will communicate to the areas of your brain
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that are involved in feeding and will say,
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don't eat anymore.
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You don't need to consume anymore.
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Now, some people bypass that.
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I guess they have these like hotdog eating competitions.
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I'm always struck by how some of those people
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seem to be rail thin,
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but they actually train for those competitions
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by ingesting large volumes of water.
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Actually a very dangerous practice.
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You can actually kill yourself by drinking too much water
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and you can kill yourself by ingesting too much
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of anything really to expand your gut.
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Not a good practice, not a big fan of those competitions,
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but even if you're one of those people
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or you're the world heavyweight champion of them,
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they are informative toward what I'm talking about now,
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which is that as you expand the gut,
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a signal is sent by neurons,
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literally nerve cells that are in the gut
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to the brainstem up to the areas of the brain
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that are involved in feeding.
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I did a whole episode on feeding.
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You can find on feeding metabolism and hunger.
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You're welcome to listen to that episode if you like.
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And it will shut down the neurons
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that drive the desire to put more stuff in your mouth.
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That thing that people say sometimes on,
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well, in this country frequently after Thanksgiving meal,
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I can't put another bite in my mouth.
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Literally they shut down some of the basic movements
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of the musculature to take another fork bite.
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I know it sounds crazy,
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but they can actually control your brain.
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So your gut is so full that it's controlling your brain
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such that this action of spooning food
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towards your mouth is actually inhibited.
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It's made more difficult or less likely to occur.
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It's incredible.
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The converse is also true.
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When these piezo receptors signal to the brain
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that the gut is empty,
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independent of your need, your actual need for food,
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there's a signal that's sent to your brain
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that says gut is empty and neurons get stimulated
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in areas like the arcuate nucleus
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and these areas of the hypothalamus, et cetera,
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that drive the desire to make this action to open the mouth
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and to put stuff in it, in particular food.
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So when you find yourself at the refrigerator
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or you find yourself almost manically trying
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to get food of different kinds,
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you're not even thinking about what you're eating
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because you're so hungry.
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In part, that's because the lack of food in your gut
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has sent that information to your brain
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and is driving particular fixed action patterns
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that are associated with eating.
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In fact, one of the first things children learn how to do
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is open their mouth when something is presented to it.
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And then they learn how to move a spoon or a fork.
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They're not very good at it.
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First, they get all over the place,
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but eventually they get good at it,
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at least most people get good at it.
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If you watch how people eat,
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it's kind of variable out there.
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In any event, this is a purely mechanical phenomenon.
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And this purely mechanical phenomenon is driving our brain
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to drive certain behavior.
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You can get better at registering sense of fullness
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or lack of fullness in a very particular way.
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Some people have a very keen sense
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of how full or empty their stomach is.
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So if you've eaten anything,
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even if it's a small volume of food
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in the last hour to three hours,
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it's actually a worthwhile practice
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to take a few moments, maybe 10, 20 seconds,
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and actually just try and concentrate
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on sensing the neurons in your gut and how full you are.
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Like for instance, I ate a few hours ago,
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then I had a little snack about 30 minutes ago or so,
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and my gut feels neither terribly full nor terribly empty.
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It's kind of, I would put it at kind of like 30, 40%.
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Okay?
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So by just taking conscious awareness
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of how full or empty our gut is at various times,
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between meals, after a meal, before a meal,
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you can very quickly develop a sense
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of how full or empty you are.
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Now, what's the consequence of that?
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The consequence of that is actually rather interesting.
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It's been shown that the consequence of that
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is actually that you can better override the signals
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of these piezo receptors and gut fullness or emptiness.
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So for those of you that find that you eat
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kind of compulsively or non-consciously,
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or subconsciously, I should say,
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probably have to be conscious enough to be awake to eat,
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but subconsciously, you just find yourself eating,
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and here I'm describing myself.
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I'm a drive-by blueberry eater.
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If there's a bowl of blueberries,
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every time I walk past it,
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I sort of have to grab a handful of them
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and pop them in my mouth.
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But if you develop this sense of how much mechanopressure,
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it's not really a word,
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but how much mechanosensation is in your gut,
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very quickly you can learn to override that.
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You might ask, why would I want to be able to override
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whether or not my stomach is empty or my stomach is full?
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Well, there are many reasons to want to do that.
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Many people right now are interested
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in so-called intermittent fasting.
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They're doing fasts of anywhere from 12 to 16 hours
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every 24-hour cycle.
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That's actually what my practice is.
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I do that on a regular basis.
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Sometimes, yeah, I eat breakfast,
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but normally I push breakfast out till about 11 or noon
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or sometimes a little later.
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Some people are doing longer fasts,
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and there are really wonderful data
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published in excellent journals
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from my colleague Sachin Panda
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at the Salk Institute of Biological Studies,
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00:50:28.920
and of course from other laboratories
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showing that intermittent fasting
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can and will have some positive health effects
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on things like liver health and brain health
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and other aspects of health.
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Whether or not it's the best form of dieting
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for the sake of losing weight, that's very controversial,
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but it's clear that having a period of fasting
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every 24 hours or perhaps even longer from time to time
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can be beneficial because it stimulates
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what's called autophagy, the clearing away
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or the body's ability to eat certain dead cells,
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so-called senescent cells.
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And for many people, they struggle with fasting
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because they feel they have a very keen sense
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of their stomach being empty,
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and they feel as if they have to eat.
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And in a kind of counterintuitive way,
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there's some data that indicate that being able to sense
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whether or not your gut is full or empty
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and just the knowledge that that's communicating information
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to your brain about whether to not to eat or not.
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Just that awareness, that understanding
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allows them to override the signal.
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They think, oh, you know, I'm not actually
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in need of nutrients right now.
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It's just that my stomach is empty
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and these piezo receptors and some other ones
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that I'll tell you about in a moment
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are signaling to my brain that it's empty.
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I don't actually need food.
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It's just that my brain is reacting to the fact
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that my gut is deflated, so to speak,
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or is smaller, doesn't have food in it.
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So there are other ways that our guts
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communicate with our brain.
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It's not just our stomach talking to our brain.
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It's also our intestines talk to our brain.
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The Lieberle's lab, the guy's name is Steven Lieberle's.
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He runs a lab at Harvard Medical School,
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his terrific lab, does excellent work
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on gut brain communication and other aspects
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of viscera brain communication.
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They discovered a category of neurons
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called the GLP-1R neurons.
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These are neurons that are basically in your neck.
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I mean, they're part of the nervous system,
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but they can be found near your neck.
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And those neurons send little wires down
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into the intestines and deep into the stomach,
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but mostly into the intestines,
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and they sense stretch of your intestines.
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So this is pretty wild.
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These neurons sense how stretched out your intestines are
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and how fast things are moving through your intestines,
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slow or fast, or if there's nothing there.
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And then those neurons send another branch.
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So they have a branch in one direction,
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senses what's going on in your intestines,
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and they have another branch that goes up from your neck
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into your brain to either trigger the desire to eat more
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or just stop eating.
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So these are really, really cool neurons,
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and they're basically stretch receptors.
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They look a lot like the piezo receptors
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that we talked about before.
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So these GLP-1R neurons are sensing stretch,
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so purely mechanical sensing.
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And in addition to that, the Lieberle's lab
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discovered neurons that detect nutrients themselves.
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Now, the main reason why we need to eat
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is to bring nutrients into our body.
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And there is another set of neurons,
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those are called GPR-65 neurons,
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if you want to know that you don't have to remember that,
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that do the same thing in terms of their connections.
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They send connections down into the intestines
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and into the gut, into the stomach,
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but mostly into the intestines,
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and then send that information back up to the brain
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as to whether or not there are certain kinds of nutrients
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in our digestive tract.
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Now, these neurons are the ones to pay attention to
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if we're talking about chemical signaling.
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And in the next couple of minutes,
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I'm going to tell you about how you can understand hunger
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and how to modulate your hunger for the right foods,
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in fact, for healthy foods.
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The way this is done is by leveraging the activity
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of these GPR-65 neurons, these neurons that sense nutrients.
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They're telling your brain
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what's in your gut and intestines.
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And you have another set of neurons
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that were discovered by another guy.
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He's out at Duke University.
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His name is Diego, excuse me, Diego.
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Diego Borges, he's a wonderful scientist.
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He has a degree in nutrition, but also in neuroscience.
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And he found that there are neurons that line the gut
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and those neurons, in collaboration with these GPR-65 neurons
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are sensing for three things, okay?
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So we say nutrients, which nutrients are they looking for?
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What are these neurons paying attention to?
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Well, these neurons are activated
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by the presence of fatty acids,
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in particular, omega-3 fatty acids,
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sorts of things that come from fatty fish, fish oil, krill,
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00:54:51.240
certain kinds of animal and plant substances.
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00:54:56.360
You can look up what has a lot of omega-3s.
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00:54:59.040
And those omega-3s make these neurons fire electrically
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like crazy up to the brain
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and make you want to eat more of those things,
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but it turns out in pretty appropriate levels.
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These neurons also respond to amino acids.
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So when you eat a food, it's broken down in the gut.
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Actually, the way it's broken down in the gut
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is kind of interesting.
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Your gut basically cinches off a sphincter up top,
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cinches off a sphincter below it when there's food there.
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00:55:23.960
And then you have a series of smooth muscles
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that tumble the food
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and literally physically break it down.
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00:55:31.020
And then of course,
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enzymes come in and start digesting the food.
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And we're going to talk about digestion
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and how that's communicated to the brain in a moment.
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And for those of you with any autoimmune issues
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or digestive issues,
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00:55:40.920
this is going to be a very important conversation.
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But meanwhile, there are these neurons in the gut.
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And as these fatty acids float out of the digested food,
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so literally fat molecules,
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and as amino acids are coming from the proteins
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as they're digested in the gut,
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and as a third food item,
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sugars are coming from the foods that we eat.
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These neurons will fire a lot to the brain that says,
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hey, whatever you're doing up there, do more of it, okay?
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Now the sugars are a little bit cryptic
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because when I say sugars or I say amino acids,
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or I say fatty acids,
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00:56:17.100
this has nothing to do with taste.
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In fact, beautiful experiments have been done
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by the Borges lab and by other labs showing
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that even if you numb the mouth,
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even if you gavage,
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which is a really just a,
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it's a fancy word for basically tube feeding,
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00:56:32.020
you put a tube down in the gut,
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you just deliver the food to the gut
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so you get no opportunity to taste it.
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Sounds pretty awful.
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If you force feed by gavage or you numb the mouth,
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these neurons don't care about the mouth,
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they only care about the nutrients coming from these foods
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and then they signal to the brain,
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hey, do that thing,
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do that thing where you lift that object
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we call a fork or a spoon,
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00:56:52.380
do that thing where you drink the milkshake,
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do that thing where you move your mouth like this,
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not talking, but do that thing where you swallow.
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So that's how the nutrients in our gut control us
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and this is why for people
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that experience extreme sugar cravings
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or even mild sugar cravings,
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00:57:07.580
replacing those foods with foods
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that have high levels of omega-3 or amino acids
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00:57:12.860
can reduce sugar cravings
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00:57:14.220
and I've talked about this on a previous episode,
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but if you didn't catch it, no big deal,
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00:57:17.980
I'll tell you right now that for many people,
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the solution to sugar cravings is to ingest a small amount,
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maybe a teaspoon or so of an amino acid called glutamine
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00:57:28.060
and if you have really extreme sugar cravings,
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00:57:30.660
you can even mix that glutamine with a full fat cream,
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00:57:34.020
which actually makes it taste pretty darn good,
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00:57:36.460
and you drink that anytime you have a sugar craving,
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just a sip or two of that
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and what you find is that the sugar cravings disappear
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because you're basically giving fat and amino acids
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to those neurons in the gut and in the intestine
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that signal to the brain that you want more.
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00:57:49.120
Now, this doesn't give you a kind of runaway hunger
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for full fat cream,
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00:57:52.340
although it will say when I was in high school
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for various reasons,
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00:57:56.260
but mostly because I liked the way it tastes,
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I was using half and half in my cereal
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and I was waking up in the middle of the night
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and drinking half and half
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00:58:01.940
and that stuff tastes pretty darn good
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once you get used to the high fat content,
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not something I do now,
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00:58:06.740
but the point is these neurons don't really know taste,
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00:58:11.400
they only know nutrients
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00:58:12.780
and so you can work with that system.
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00:58:14.300
If you crave sugar and I do believe that most,
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if not all of us should be trying to limit,
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00:58:19.260
if not eliminate simple sugars as much as possible
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most of the time,
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00:58:23.860
then things like glutamine,
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00:58:26.220
things like high omega-3 foods, et cetera,
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00:58:29.740
maybe even want to supplement with fish oil
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00:58:31.820
or something similar to get omega-3s,
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00:58:33.500
there are other reasons for wanting to do that too,
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00:58:35.380
can be very beneficial
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00:58:36.460
and here's what we're talking about is interoception.
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00:58:40.320
It's your ability to sense your inner real estate,
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00:58:43.380
but in this case by way of chemical signaling,
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00:58:45.860
not by way of mechanical signaling.
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00:58:48.840
So now I'd like to talk about another aspect
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of gut chemistry that has profound effects on the brain
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as well as on the immune system
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and for those of you with autoimmune conditions
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or for those of you that know people with autoimmune
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conditions,
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this is going to be a very important discussion.
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Your gut needs to maintain a certain level of acidity
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or alkalinity.
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00:59:11.100
For those of you without any chemistry background,
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basically the low numbers on the pH scale,
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that means more acidic.
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00:59:18.380
The higher the numbers, more alkaline.
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So more alkaline means more basic
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and acidic means acidic
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and it has to do with number of hydrogen atoms
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and all this other stuff,
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you don't need to worry about that right now.
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We're not going to pH your gut right now,
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but we are going to talk about the pH of your gut.
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00:59:34.200
Your gut needs to be more acidic
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than essentially all other tissues of your body
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00:59:38.320
in order to function properly.
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Bacteria thrive in alkaline conditions.
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I think this is important for people to understand.
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People are always thinking,
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oh, you should be more alkaline,
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00:59:48.740
being acidic that almost sounds like being inflamed.
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Well, it's a complicated discussion,
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but I think the semantics can be confusing sometimes.
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You want your gut to be acidic.
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You may ask, well, why are people taking anti-acids?
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Well, those anti-acids are there for a particular purpose
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to essentially combat acid reflux,
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which is the sending up of stuff in the gut
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towards the esophagus and it can cause heartburn
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01:00:14.780
and things of that sort.
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01:00:16.340
And the way that anti-acids work
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is they essentially cause the sphincters
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above the gut to cinch shut,
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01:00:24.060
but they really are only dealing with a symptom,
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not the cause.
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01:00:27.740
So rewind about 10, 20 years ago,
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the discussion about gut acidity
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01:00:33.440
was quite a bit different than it is now
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01:00:35.160
in the scientific and medical literature.
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01:00:36.980
In fact, for many years,
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long before I'm going to say it here,
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people have been saying that it's important
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01:00:44.020
to maintain proper acidity of the gut,
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01:00:47.300
but the science and medical professions
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01:00:50.020
sort of looked at that as a kind of a scants,
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01:00:52.380
like, you know, what's going on there?
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01:00:53.820
I don't know that there's any evidence
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that that's actually true.
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01:00:56.340
There are communities of people that were prescribing,
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or I should say,
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01:00:59.820
recommending that people take hydrochloric acid, HCL,
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01:01:03.040
and adjusting gut acidity that way.
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01:01:05.540
And it was kind of frowned upon.
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01:01:06.860
Now, in looking over the peer reviewed literature,
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it's clear that this business
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01:01:10.940
of trying to make the gut a little more acidic
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01:01:12.820
is actually one way in which people treat
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01:01:15.400
or try and ameliorate acid reflux.
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01:01:18.940
So it's kind of counterintuitive,
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01:01:20.100
increasing acidity in the gut
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01:01:21.860
to try and reduce acid reflux.
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01:01:23.780
I thought you're supposed to take antacids.
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01:01:25.140
Well, the field has shifted quite a bit.
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01:01:27.680
And so we're going to review what it is
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01:01:29.300
to maintain the chemistry of the gut
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01:01:32.320
at a slightly more acidic level
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01:01:34.580
or a more acidic level, I should say,
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01:01:36.440
because it turns out that there are a number of things
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that are in gut, I just call it what it is.
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01:01:41.260
It's gastric juice, sounds kind of gross,
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01:01:43.620
but gastric juices are actually powerful modulators
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01:01:47.480
of brain state.
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01:01:50.100
Put differently, one of the best things that you can do
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01:01:52.540
to have a healthy brain, a well-functioning brain
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01:01:54.700
and a healthy and well-functioning body
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01:01:56.300
is to maintain proper gut chemistry.
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01:01:59.420
And that's basically accomplished
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01:02:01.420
by getting the right level of acidity
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01:02:03.620
and alkalinity in your gut.
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01:02:06.340
Now, this is not quack pseudoscience.
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01:02:08.380
This is not based on cleanses or anything of that sort.
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01:02:11.500
What we're going to talk about now are peer reviewed data
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01:02:14.380
in very high quality journals, like the journal Cell,
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01:02:17.780
which is one of the three apex journals,
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01:02:19.380
Science, Nature, Cell,
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01:02:20.740
and journals of that sort that point to the gut microbiome
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01:02:24.220
and its relationship to acidity of the gut
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01:02:26.460
and how the gut microbiome
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01:02:28.260
can help enhance autoimmune function
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01:02:32.780
and various other aspects of brain and body health.
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01:02:35.220
So within all the mucosal line tissues of our body,
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01:02:39.460
we have what are called microbiota,
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01:02:41.740
little microorganisms that we didn't make
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01:02:43.980
that actually come from our environment or our food
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01:02:47.820
and live inside us.
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01:02:50.100
And there are good microbiota and there are bad microbiota.
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01:02:54.700
Whether or not we have good microbiota or bad microbiota
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01:02:59.140
depends on one thing.
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And that one thing is how acid or alkaline
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the given mucosal tissue is.
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01:03:08.260
So we actually have a microbiome in our nose.
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And just as a very brief aside,
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because I'd be remiss if I didn't say this,
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if you emphasize nasal breathing,
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most of the time, except when speaking or eating,
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01:03:21.700
and if you downplay mouth breathing,
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01:03:24.260
meaning you refrain from mouth breathing,
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01:03:25.920
especially in sleep,
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01:03:28.260
you improve the nasal microbiome.
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01:03:32.020
It gets better at fighting off infections.
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01:03:35.700
This was shown in a beautiful paper
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published in Cell Reports last year.
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01:03:39.620
And that paper I should mention was performed in humans.
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So you've got a microbiome in your nose
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and by nasal breathing most of the time,
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not all the time,
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01:03:47.360
because there can be times when you need to breathe
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through your mouth for whatever reason,
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01:03:49.740
hard exercise or eating or speaking,
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01:03:52.340
but by breathing through your nose most of the time,
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01:03:54.400
you are creating an additional layer of immune defense
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01:03:58.580
against particles that could get you sick.
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01:04:00.620
Whereas when you mouth breathe,
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01:04:02.000
you are taking down a layer of defense
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01:04:04.000
and you are putting yourself more at risk of infection.
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This is what this paper shows.
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You also have a gut microbiome that is in your throat,
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01:04:14.480
in your stomach and in your intestines.
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01:04:18.320
And that gut microbiome is extremely powerful
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01:04:20.900
in regulating your mood and your immune function.
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01:04:24.740
Now, this is not something that you can sense directly.
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You don't know when you have a bunch of good microbiota
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01:04:30.580
or a bunch of bad microbiota
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01:04:32.300
because you can feel them moving around in there.
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Actually, that would be pretty awful.
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01:04:35.180
That would be pretty creepy feeling.
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01:04:37.100
Rather, that according to whether or not your gut
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is alkaline or acidic in the appropriate ways,
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01:04:43.820
you will populate your gut with the appropriate microbiota.
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01:04:48.920
So you want your stomach to be pretty acidic,
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01:04:52.940
but other elements of your digestive tract
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01:04:55.220
are going to be more pH.
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01:04:57.180
And basically there's a gradient,
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meaning there's a low to high pH gradient along the gut.
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You don't have to know what the pH
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should be at any one given point
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because you're not going to go
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and put microbiota at one location and not another.
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What you essentially want to do is create an environment
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where the proper microbiota can thrive.
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Because when you do that,
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you greatly decrease what are called inflammatory cytokines.
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So these are things that are secreted
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01:05:25.900
both by cells within the body and cells within the brain
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01:05:29.420
to impact brain health and brain function
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01:05:31.820
and bodily health.
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01:05:33.020
They go by a particular name.
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So there's something called TNF alpha,
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tumor necrosis factor alpha.
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01:05:38.620
It is inflammatory.
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01:05:40.020
It's not a good thing to have at elevated levels.
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You have something called interleukin-6 IL-6
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01:05:45.940
also causes inflammation, causes damage to tissues.
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01:05:48.860
Not a good thing to have for elevated
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01:05:51.740
for long periods of time.
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01:05:53.220
And then you have anti-inflammatory cytokines,
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01:05:55.460
things like interleukin-10, which reduce inflammation.
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01:05:58.020
And there are hundreds of these,
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01:05:59.640
if not thousands of these different cytokines,
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01:06:01.860
some of which promote inflammation,
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01:06:03.580
some of which reduce inflammation.
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01:06:06.140
The simple way to adjust these things
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in the proper ratios is to adjust your gut microbiome.
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01:06:13.060
The best way to adjust your microbiome
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01:06:14.940
is to ingest certain types of foods.
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01:06:17.580
So there is a beautiful literature on this now,
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01:06:20.080
but the most important literature
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01:06:21.720
is the one that I referred to
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at the beginning of this episode,
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01:06:25.300
which is what to ingest and what not to ingest
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01:06:29.100
in terms of foods in order to create
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01:06:31.380
the best conditions in your gut
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01:06:33.640
so that you can create the best conditions
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01:06:35.260
in your brain and body.
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01:06:36.420
There was a study done by my colleague, Justin Sonnenberg
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at Stanford School of Medicine.
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01:06:43.200
Justin's actually my upstairs neighbor
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01:06:45.620
in the building at Stanford where I work.
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01:06:48.360
And they explored how different foods
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or different diets, I should say,
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01:06:53.760
impact the gut microbiome and inflammatory markers.
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01:06:56.660
And this is a beautiful study
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01:06:57.800
because it was done in hundreds of human patients.
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These actually weren't patients that were sick.
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I should say human subjects that were otherwise healthy
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from a huge variety of backgrounds.
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So you had men, you had women,
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you had people of different races, different ethnicities.
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You had a huge range of backgrounds
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and they tracked all of that.
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And what they did is they explored two types of diets.
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One is a high fiber diet.
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So dietary fibers are non-digestible
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01:07:24.840
or only partially digestible carbohydrates typically.
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01:07:27.920
And they compared that to diets that were unchanged
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except for the inclusion of a few to a few more servings
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of fermented foods each day.
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Things like sauerkraut, things like kimchi.
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They even explored, sounds pretty disgusting to me,
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but who knows, I've never tried it,
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01:07:42.200
which is fermented cottage cheese.
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01:07:44.640
And what they found was that after initial period
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of a few weeks where they had people
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either eat a lot of fiber
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01:07:51.100
or eat one or two servings of fermented foods,
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01:07:54.660
they had those people ramp up their ingestion
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of either fiber or fermented foods.
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01:07:58.720
So they kind of ease them into it.
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So they went baseline, then ramp up
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to the point where they were ingesting
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four or five servings of fiber
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01:08:05.800
or of fermented foods per day,
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which sounds like a lot, but for fermented foods,
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that would be four or five tablespoons
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of sauerkraut or kimchi.
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It's not quite, it's not like huge platefuls
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of fermented foods.
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01:08:20.120
And then they looked at a number of things.
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They looked at the proteome,
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which is a kind of like looking at the genome,
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but a bunch of proteins that are made in the body.
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And they did this by fecal samples, by stool samples.
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And they did this by blood draw, which is great.
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It's a real power of this study.
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In fact, the most comprehensive study that I'm aware of.
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By looking at these different tissues
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across long periods of time, so many, many weeks,
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and then returning people to the diet that they were on
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before they went into the study,
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they were able to establish in a causal way
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how ingesting fiber or fibrous foods
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versus ingesting these fermented foods on a daily basis
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could impact the gut microbiome
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and many, many inflammatory markers.
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And many, many markers of immune function
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and autoimmune function.
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And the takeaway message from this study
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is that the fermented foods far outperformed
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the high fiber diet.
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In fact, the high fiber diet in some people was beneficial
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and in other people caused issues with inflammation.
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This is very different than what I was taught growing up
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and what many of us were taught.
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Interestingly, they also observed that people
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that ate the high fiber diet had increases
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in certain enzymes that lend themselves
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to better digestion of carbohydrates.
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And I think there's an important insight to come from this.
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Nowadays, we kind of live in the age of extremes
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where people seem to either want to be carnivore,
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like never ingest a vegetable.
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I hear they don't even, they're like allowed pepper,
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but they're not even allowed, you know,
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sauerkraut or something like very extreme
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or pure plant-based, pure vegan, or pure.
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So essentially pure carbohydrate or pure animal protein,
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very extreme.
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I'm an omnivore.
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I like to eat a mixture of different things
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at different times of days, but very extreme.
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But this is interesting because what these data show
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is that perhaps ingesting a high carbohydrate,
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high fiber diet, which is really what these,
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the high fiber condition really was,
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actually makes people better at digesting carbohydrates.
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This may explain why people who are used
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to a kind of more paleo type or carnivore type diet
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might eat carbohydrates and say,
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oh, that doesn't work for me.
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I don't feel good.
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It might also explain why people who predominantly eat
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plant-based foods and carbohydrate foods
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will try eating meat as an experiment
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or because they lost a bed or whatever it is,
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and they'll do, or desperation or they'll do that.
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And then they'll say, oh, I don't feel good when I eat meat.
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How good you feel, it seems,
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how well you can utilize that food
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and how much of that food you crave may be determined.
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In fact, it appears is determined
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by your food eating history, the types of food you eat.
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And I think this might explain some of the divide
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and hopefully might bridge some of the chasm
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between these different groups that are saying
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it should be one way or it should be another.
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But at the core of the study was the bigger message.
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The bigger message is that all of us
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should be ingesting on a regular basis, daily basis,
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two to four servings of fermented foods of different kinds.
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And why I say that is because
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the inflammatory markers went down,
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the markers of autoimmune disruption went down,
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and the chemistry of the gut therefore
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was adjusted in the appropriate ways.
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Now it's not to say that high fiber is bad
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or that fiber is bad.
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I don't want people to confuse this.
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But even though this is a discussion about interoception,
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about sensing the self, this is a subconscious mechanism
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by which the gut communicates to many, many organs,
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including the brain.
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And it's been shown in other studies,
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also in quality peer review journals,
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that when the correct gut microbiota are present
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and these inflammatory markers are reduced,
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cognition improves, so ability to focus,
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ability to sleep, ability to ward off infection,
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and wound healing all enhanced.
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In fact, even in autism spectrum disorder,
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in people that struggle with various mental conditions
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or disorders of the mind,
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improving the gut microbiome seems to have powerful effects
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on improving brain symptoms.
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Along the lines of autoimmunity,
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there are a number of conditions
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that we call autoimmune conditions.
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And we will do entire episodes about these going forward,
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but for people with so-called irritable bowel syndrome,
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for people with Crohn's disease,
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for people with leaky gut, Hashimoto's,
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which is a kind of an immune system self-attack
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on one's thyroid gland,
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and things like eczema, skin conditions,
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adjusting the gut microbiome has been shown to be useful
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in positively adjusting the symptoms of all of those.
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Will it fix those conditions entirely?
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Probably not,
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but can it have a significant positive impact on them?
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Probably yes.
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There is one thing that's worth mentioning in that list,
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which is leaky gut.
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What is leaky gut?
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Here we're talking about the guts.
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What is it to have a leaky gut?
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It sounds awful.
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It sounds like something sort of like leaking out
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the end of the tube, and maybe that too, I don't know.
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But leaky gut is actually because your gut is not a tube
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that's continuous one cell.
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It's actually made up of many, many cells,
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and those cells form a barrier,
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and they form what are called tight junctions.
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So if you have two cells and you want to create a fence
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out of those cells, you bind them together.
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The way that the body does this is to bind them together
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with what are called tight junctions.
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They go by names like cloudins and things like that
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if you want to look them up.
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These tight junctions form a nice barrier
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like a cyclone fence that things can't get past,
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but like a cyclone fence,
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only molecules of a certain size can go through those holes.
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So you're not going to pass a soccer ball
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through an intact cyclone fence,
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but you could pass, for instance,
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a feather through that fence.
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So leaky gut is when the conditions in the gut
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are too alkaline or the gut microbiota are off in the gut,
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meaning microbiota that like alkaline guts are living there,
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and those tight junctions can't function
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at that particular pH,
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and you create little holes in that fence.
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And then what happens is when you ingest foods,
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some of those foods literally leak out of the gut
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and into the extracellular space and into the bloodstream.
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And because foods include proteins
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and antibodies react to proteins,
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what ends up happening in leaky gut,
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and the reason we talk about it in autoimmune conditions
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is that you start developing antibodies
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to particular food proteins.
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And then people start feeling like they have food allergies
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and they do, they actually create particular food allergies.
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Now, one way to prevent leaky gut
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is to get the rest of the gut situation happy
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by ingesting the proper foods that we talked about before,
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ingesting fermented foods on a regular basis.
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The other is our old friend glutamine again.
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There are some data,
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and I should say it's a limited number of studies,
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showing that ingesting glutamine
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anywhere from one to three teaspoons per day
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can help alleviate leaky gut.
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Now, the mechanism for that still isn't clear
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whether or not it's adjusting pH
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or whether or not it's creating more favorable environment
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for the microbiota,
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but it is clear that supplementing with glutamine
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can in some people enhance,
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or I should say improve conditions of leaky gut.
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So that might be useful as well.
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And then the final thing about this
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I want to talk about
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is we're talking about chemical sensing in the gut
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and how that impacts wellbeing is about gut acidity.
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And this, I confess is a little bit controversial.
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Some people are on board this, other people are not.
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And so I'd love your feedback on this.
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If you agree, please tell me.
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If you disagree, please tell me,
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but please tell me why you disagree in particular.
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Experience or data, although it's always better
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if you can point me towards peer reviewed studies.
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There is a practice that some people embrace.
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I'm not recommending people necessarily do this
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and you would definitely want to talk to your doctor,
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but where people have food allergies
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or they're having mood or autoimmune issues
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and they treat this,
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some people recommend treating this
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through the ingestion of HCL, hydrochloric acid tablets.
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Now, hydrochloric acid can burn you, right?
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Acids can burn you, they literally can melt away skin.
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You want to be very careful with acids of all kinds, truly.
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But hydrochloric acid is sold as in supplement form
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in capsular pill form.
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And there is a practice of starting to ingest
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one or two hydrochloric acid tablets midway through a meal.
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And then what people will generally do
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is examine to see whether or not
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that improves their symptoms of indigestion,
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how it relates to mood,
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how it relates to wellbeing,
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how it relates to their sensation of their gut viscera.
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By changing the acidity,
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you also change the way that the gut communicates
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with the brain through the mechanisms we talked about before.
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And there are a growing number of people
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embracing these practices of taking HCL.
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It's often combined with other things.
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It's usually combined with an enzyme
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and that enzyme is pepsin.
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So most of these supplements come in the form
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betaine HCL pepsin.
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And while they're not a cure-all,
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I certainly don't want to suggest that they're a cure-all,
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many people that have a hard time
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adjusting the pH of their gut
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and have a hard time adjusting the microbiota of their gut
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in the appropriate ways have benefited from taking
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these betaine HCL pepsin tablets or capsules during meals.
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And the general instruction is to start slow,
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to start with one or two,
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and then to find a level that you're comfortable with
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that doesn't create an excessive feeling of warmth
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in the stomach that doesn't throw off your digestion.
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So it takes a little bit of experimentation.
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Again, definitely talk to your healthcare provider
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before exploring this,
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but this has become a very common practice
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for people with autoimmune disorders and accessing the gut
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because it is accessible by taking things
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has also become a way in which people
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with various mental conditions
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are trying to adjust their mood and adjust their wellbeing.
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Along these lines, I do want to mention
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that there are studies that show
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that people that supplement with a lot of probiotics
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or even prebiotics can sometimes experience brain fog.
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This isn't discussed a lot
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and the data are a little all over the place,
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but it is worth thinking about.
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The goal here is not to create
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as many microbiota as possible.
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What you want is microbiota diversity.
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And I should mention this again
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in reference to the Sonnenberg study.
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What the high fiber diet does
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is it increases certain microbiota,
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but it limits their diversity.
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And what the fermented food diet does,
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or I should say the diet that includes
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regular ingestion of fermented foods,
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a few servings a day,
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is it increases microbiota diversity.
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Now, lack of microbiota diversity
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has a name in the medical profession.
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It's called dysbiosis and dysbiosis is bad.
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Dysbiosis is what you see
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when people are spending long periods of time on bed rest
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or when they've been chronically ill.
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And so here again,
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we're talking about creating a positive environment
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in the gut, either by adjusting acidity,
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maybe you explore the betaine HCL pepsin thing.
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I think if you have healthy digestion,
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if you feel like you have a good relationship to your gut
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and it has a good relationship to you,
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sort of a silly phrase because it is you and you are it,
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then I don't think there's any means or any need to pursue
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this, but if you don't,
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that might be one avenue to pursue.
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However, I think primary in all of this
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is the fermented food findings.
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And it's not just one study,
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it's many, many findings that now bring us to a place
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where a huge center of mass of data are pointing us
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in the direction of saying ingest fermented foods
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on a regular basis.
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I should also mention that conditions like sarcopenia,
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which is the loss of muscle tissue as we age,
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has been shown to be offset by improving the gut microbiota.
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So while today is about interoception,
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we're talking about sensing,
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we're also talking about subconscious sensing.
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What are we talking about subconscious sensing?
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We're talking about subconscious sensing
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of the milieu of the body.
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When the milieu of the gut and the body is right,
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then the brain and the immune system function very well.
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And so this isn't something where you can sit back and say,
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oh, you know, I feel all those good microbiota in my gut,
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or, oh no, those are bad microbiota.
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You can't do that unless you're going to take fecal samples
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and blood samples and analyze them
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with the extreme exhaustive nature
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that the Sonnenberg and other labs do.
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You're not going to get that kind of information.
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I know there are companies out there that do this,
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and I don't want to knock on any of them,
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but I do want to emphasize that to do this right,
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to really analyze which cytokines you're making
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and which ones you're not,
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you really need to look at a huge number of them.
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And that requires large-scale proteomic and genomic
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and inflammatory marker screens.
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It's just not the kind of thing
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that most commercial enterprises can really provide
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to people in a way that they can interpret.
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Rather, this is a case where you can simply go
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to the effector, to the thing that can actually move
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the needle in the right direction for you.
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It's very clear that's fermented foods,
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and that's keeping the stomach slightly more acid
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than one might think you would want to.
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So let's talk about barfing first.
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Barfing, AKA vomiting, is when the contents
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of your guts run in reverse,
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meaning when they go up from your stomach,
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sometimes even up from the intestines,
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even though that sounds horrible, it sometimes happens,
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up out the esophagus and mouth
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and onto whatever surface happens to be in front of you.
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It's a terrible thing, nobody likes to do it,
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but it's a very interesting aspect to our biology
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because it reveals a beautiful
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and absolutely fundamental relationship
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between our chemistry and our brain.
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So your brain is actually locked behind a gate,
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and that gate is not your skull.
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That gate is the so-called blood-brain barrier.
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So just like your gut has these epithelial tight junctions,
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the things I talked about before that provide a fence
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so things can't get through and get through and leaky gut,
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your brain has tight junctions that are very, very tight.
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It's absolutely fundamental that only certain molecules
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get across the blood-brain barrier and that others don't.
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And the reason for that is that most all,
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99.9999% of your neurons do not regenerate.
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I don't care what you've read,
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especially in the news recently
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about how psychedelics cause neurogenesis
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because they don't, it's absolutely wrong.
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Psychedelics have effects on brain plasticity,
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but they have nothing to do with neurogenesis,
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at least no data support it.
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But because you can't make new neurons,
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you also can't damage the ones you've got
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or you shouldn't as much as possible.
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And that's why you have a blood-brain barrier or a BBB.
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So the BBB, as it's called,
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prevents substances from getting to the brain.
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01:23:33.000
However, like any fence,
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it is not always uniform along its length.
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And there are little spots within that fence
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where chemicals can sneak across to the brain
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and through a beautiful design,
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I don't know anything about the design,
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as I always say, I wasn't consulted the design phase,
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so I'm not talking about any kind of intelligent design
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or anything, that is not the topic of this podcast.
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This is not a philosophy podcast,
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nor is it a religion podcast, it's a science podcast.
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01:24:01.900
But through a beautiful design of some sort,
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there are little holes in that fence
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and there are little neurons
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that sit right behind those holes.
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And those neurons sense what the chemistry of the blood is.
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So I'm guessing you probably didn't imagine
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that today's discussion about sensing the self
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would be sensing your own blood, but you do.
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There's a little area of your brain that's little indeed,
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but is very, very important called area postrema,
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P-O-S-T-R-E-M-A.
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An area postrema is an area of the brainstem
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that sits right next to another brain area
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called the chemoreceptor trigger zone.
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And when the contents in your bloodstream
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are of a particular kind,
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meaning when there are pathogens or it's too acidic,
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the neurons in area postrema
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and the neurons in the chemoreceptor trigger zone,
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the CTZ as it's called,
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trigger a bunch of motor reflexes in the abdominal wall
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that make you barf, okay?
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The feeling that you need to throw up
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is triggered by these neurons in the brainstem.
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And those neurons in the brainstem
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are triggered by the presence of certain chemicals.
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And the reason why you don't have any blood brain barrier
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at that location is because postrema has to be there
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like a crossing guard,
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making sure that everything
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that's coming through the blood is okay.
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And if it even senses just the tiniest bit
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that things are off, it's going to trigger that reflex.
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Now, the really interesting thing
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is that the neurons in area postrema
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respond to the chemistry of the blood,
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but they also will respond to our consciousness,
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to things that we think and things that we believe
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and even particular memories.
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This is why when certain people see vomit
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or see someone else vomit or even somebody else heaving
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as if they're going to vomit,
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they themselves feel as if they're going to vomit.
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I'm guessing there are probably even a few of you right now
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that feel like you might vomit.
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You might feel salivation in your throat,
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which is always a precursor to vomiting.
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01:26:10.820
Some people, the memory of,
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or the thought of something like blood or vomit
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or use your imagination can actually trigger
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the vomit reflex.
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And that's because these neurons in area postrema
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are very sensitive to prior experience of interactions
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with negative things.
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So, and actually, as I'm saying this,
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I feel my gut kind of cramping up again.
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I don't vomit very easily.
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I'm not one of those.
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Nor am I somebody who's never vomited.
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And here we are talking about my vomit history,
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but I think it's appropriate in this context.
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The neurons of area postrema
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are there basically to keep your whole system safe.
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And thank goodness they are because for instance,
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some people, unfortunately,
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they drink so much alcohol that they throw up.
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Have you ever wondered why that is?
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Well, it's because alcohol fundamentally is a poison.
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01:27:04.140
I'm not saying for age appropriate folks
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that ingesting alcohol is bad.
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01:27:08.460
This isn't a judgment call,
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but alcohol itself at excessive levels in the bloodstream
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triggers postrema to cause vomiting.
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So this is an example whereby memories, context,
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but also just the chemistry of our internal state
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is triggering behaviors that are very hardwired.
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They're very reflex driven.
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And why would it be that some people
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get more nauseous than others at a given level?
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01:27:35.020
Well, they'll have to do with alcohol tolerance.
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Some people have what's called a,
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we refer to as a stronger stomach or a stomach of steel.
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01:27:42.580
Other people, they throw up very easily
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if they don't feel well,
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or if they ingest anything that's just a little bit off.
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From a purely adaptive standpoint,
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it's probably better to vomit up things
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that aren't good for you
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rather than to have them pass through your system,
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01:27:58.860
especially if those things are contained in lipids.
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For instance, if you ingest something that's in lipid form,
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because cells, literally every cell in your body
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is surrounded by a little thin layer of fatty tissue,
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and we call it the bilayer membrane, it's a little membrane,
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01:28:13.920
fat can move through fat very easily.
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And so any bad stuff you ingest
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can get stuck in your system.
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01:28:20.460
So let's talk for a second about how to reduce nausea,
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because nausea, that salivation,
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that feeling that you're going to vomit
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can be very beneficial in an adaptive circumstance,
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like you've ingested something bad,
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01:28:32.780
but some people experience nausea for other reasons.
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There are good ways to regulate nausea,
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and the ways they regulate nausea are very interesting.
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01:28:41.780
They actually adjust the activity
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of these neurons in the area of postrema,
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or they change the chemistry of the blood directly.
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And many of you have heard this before, perhaps,
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but it turns out that there are good data.
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11 research studies were the ones that I could find,
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peer-reviewed research studies with no bias,
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so independent studies, showing that ginger
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can cause a notable reduction in nausea.
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01:29:06.160
How much ginger?
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One to three grams.
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What's one to three grams?
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01:29:09.100
Well, you have to measure it out on a scale
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unless you're taking it in pill or capsule form.
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It doesn't seem to matter if you take it
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in pill or capsule form.
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01:29:14.780
So this thing that you've heard before,
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that ginger can reduce nausea indeed is true.
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01:29:21.460
Peppermint apparently can also do that,
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and some of you will not be surprised to learn
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that cannabis can reduce nausea.
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01:29:29.000
Not surprised because cannabis,
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01:29:30.580
which has different legality in different places,
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01:29:32.820
and I understand that,
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01:29:33.660
so please take that into consideration,
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01:29:35.160
but cannabis, THC, and, or it turns out CBD,
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01:29:40.220
can reduce nausea.
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01:29:41.420
That's been shown in at least one study,
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01:29:44.020
and it probably does that,
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01:29:46.180
not by changing the chemistry of your blood,
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01:29:48.140
but by changing the threshold for firing
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01:29:51.460
of these neurons in area postrema.
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01:29:53.380
And there are conditions such as in chemotherapy
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and radiation therapy and others
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01:29:58.020
where people are feeling very nauseous.
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01:30:00.420
I'm not recommending people go use cannabis
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unless they've decided with their selves
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01:30:05.460
and their family and their doctor that they should.
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01:30:07.460
But what's interesting is this thing about CBD,
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and we'll do a whole episode on THC and CBD.
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01:30:11.460
CBD doesn't have, or isn't supposed to have,
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01:30:13.680
these psychoactive properties that THC does,
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01:30:16.140
although CBD can have a mild to major anxiolytic,
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01:30:19.860
anxiety-reducing effect,
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01:30:21.460
but it does appear that the data are what,
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01:30:24.980
the data support, I should say,
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01:30:27.020
the anecdotal reports,
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01:30:29.620
which are that cannabis can reduce nausea.
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01:30:33.420
So to barf less, ginger, peppermint,
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01:30:36.480
and if appropriate and legal for you, possibly cannabis.
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01:30:40.000
Now let's talk about fever.
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In previous episodes and in future episodes,
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01:30:45.520
we deal with thermal regulation,
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01:30:47.380
which is the body's ability to regulate its temperature.
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01:30:50.860
Talk about cold and heat and saunas and ice baths
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01:30:53.720
and physical performance.
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01:30:55.340
We're not going to deal with all that right now,
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but I promise we will going forward.
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01:31:00.020
Today, I only want to talk about fever
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because fever directly relates to interoception.
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01:31:07.180
What do I mean by that?
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01:31:08.100
Well, a fever is simply an increase in body temperature.
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01:31:12.140
That increase in body temperature is triggered
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01:31:14.060
by neurons in the brain.
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01:31:16.240
And those neurons in the brain are triggered
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01:31:18.240
by the presence of particular things in the bloodstream.
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01:31:22.740
What sorts of things?
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01:31:24.040
Well, toxins, bacteria, viruses.
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01:31:28.180
When something bad gets in our system,
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01:31:30.600
the body doesn't know it's bad.
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01:31:33.180
It just knows it's foreign and it hasn't seen it before
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01:31:36.460
or that it's in the wrong compartment of the body.
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01:31:39.100
So earlier we were talking about proteins
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01:31:40.540
that leak out of the gut and get elsewhere.
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01:31:42.900
You don't want a piece of steak sitting in your bicep.
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01:31:45.220
That would be bad.
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01:31:46.060
You would actually develop antibodies.
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01:31:47.060
You would have a horrible infection,
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01:31:48.940
but your body has this intelligence.
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01:31:51.560
And that intelligence is to know,
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01:31:53.140
hmm, these proteins are normally not seen in this region.
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01:31:56.500
And then your body or the cells there, I should say,
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01:31:58.980
will release something that then will travel to the brain
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01:32:02.800
and will trigger an increase in body temperature
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01:32:05.380
so that your body cooks the bad thing
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01:32:07.780
or the cause of the bad thing.
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01:32:09.060
It's really a beautiful adaptive mechanism.
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01:32:11.080
We always think fever is so terrible,
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01:32:12.500
but fever is there to cook the bad thing that's inside you
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01:32:16.240
or that has left the correct compartment inside you
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01:32:18.840
and is in the wrong compartment inside you.
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01:32:22.700
So what's beautiful about the fever mechanism
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is that it looks a lot like the barfing mechanism.
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01:32:28.940
Basically, you have a set of neurons
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01:32:31.280
that sit near the ventricles.
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01:32:32.980
Remember the ventricles is this hole
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01:32:34.780
in the tube that is you, the tube that is you.
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01:32:38.080
You are a tube, a series of tubes,
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01:32:40.060
and your brain has a hole down the middle
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01:32:42.200
and it extends down to the bottom of your spinal cord.
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01:32:44.580
At the front, it's called the ventricles.
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01:32:46.760
They start with what are called the lateral ventricles
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01:32:48.600
and the, excuse me,
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01:32:49.780
starts with the third in the lateral ventricles
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01:32:52.220
and then it goes to the fourth ventricle
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01:32:53.660
and then to what's called the central canal.
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01:32:54.980
But basically, it's just a big space
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01:32:56.580
in the middle of your nervous system,
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01:32:58.000
the middle of your brain.
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01:32:58.900
And you have one ventricle that I already mentioned
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called the third ventricle
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01:33:02.440
and it's shaped kind of like a thin oval upright.
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01:33:06.580
If you're listening to this, just think an eye,
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01:33:09.060
just seeing the shape of an eye,
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01:33:10.140
but it's kind of rotated 90 degrees.
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01:33:12.920
So it's up and down as opposed to across.
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01:33:15.900
And along that third ventricle,
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there are little neurons that can sense what's
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01:33:22.220
in the cerebral spinal fluid that fills the ventricle.
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01:33:24.700
So in other words, you have neurons that are sensing
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01:33:27.260
the chemistry of your cerebral spinal fluid
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01:33:30.500
and that have access, therefore,
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01:33:33.360
to the chemistry of your body
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01:33:35.880
because that cerebral spinal fluid
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01:33:37.820
is going up and down the brain and spinal cord,
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01:33:39.980
but into that cerebral spinal fluid
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01:33:42.540
are signals about the various chemicals within the body.
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01:33:44.820
So this is not a mechanical system.
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01:33:46.900
This is a chemical system.
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01:33:48.620
Remember, we're talking about mechanical information
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01:33:50.620
and chemical information accessing the brain.
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01:33:53.540
So if you have something bad in your system,
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01:33:57.400
you've ingested a virus, you breathed in a virus,
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01:34:00.160
or you inhaled some bacteria, or you got a cut on your leg
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01:34:03.580
and some bacteria are growing there,
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01:34:06.860
of course, locally, there will be effects.
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01:34:09.400
Little things called mast cells, M-A-S-T,
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01:34:12.580
little packets of histamine,
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01:34:13.900
literally will go there and explode and cause inflammation,
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01:34:17.900
which is actually a good inflammation,
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01:34:19.460
and will release little things called macrophages,
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01:34:21.620
try to gobble up the infection.
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01:34:23.720
The other day, I was in Texas,
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there was a mean little mosquitoes in Texas
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01:34:26.960
and a lot of them, and I would stand outside
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01:34:29.260
and I'd get bitten.
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01:34:30.100
I didn't feel a thing, but then later that night,
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01:34:32.900
they started swelling up and itching
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01:34:34.540
and then I'd itch them and then they'd swell even more.
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01:34:36.760
That was because of the release of mast cells,
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01:34:39.380
of histamines inside those mast cells
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01:34:41.700
that were literally causing inflammation of the tissue.
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01:34:43.700
It wasn't the poison from the mosquito itself.
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01:34:45.900
It was the immune response to those.
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01:34:48.380
Well, you also have this systemic or body-wide attempt
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01:34:53.380
to kill stuff, and that's the fever.
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01:34:55.960
So the neurons that line these ventricles
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01:34:58.180
with cerebrospinal fluid go by a particular name.
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They're called circumventricular organs,
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01:35:03.660
meaning near, circumventricular, near the ventricles,
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01:35:07.460
and you have these organs and there is a set of neurons
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01:35:10.100
has a really cool name called the OVLT.
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01:35:12.420
I don't know why I like that, but I just like it.
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01:35:13.740
It's the organum vasculosum of the lateral terminalis.
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01:35:17.940
Organum vasculosum lateral terminalis, OVLT,
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01:35:21.780
are the neurons that respond to toxins
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01:35:25.380
and bad stuff in your bloodstream,
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01:35:27.220
however minor or major,
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01:35:28.940
and they release things like ILK-1,
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01:35:32.820
which are inflammatory cytokines.
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01:35:34.960
Inflammatory in this case is good.
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01:35:36.840
You want inflammation at the site of an infection.
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01:35:39.820
It's a good thing.
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01:35:41.300
It's going to help with healing.
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01:35:43.180
And it's going to change the conditions in your body.
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01:35:46.240
What's going to happen is when those OVLT neurons
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01:35:49.100
are activated because you have something bad in your body
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01:35:51.500
or something bad is happening in your body,
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01:35:54.700
they communicate with an area of the brain
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01:35:56.220
called the preoptic area of your hypothalamus,
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01:35:58.780
and the preoptic area cranks up your temperature
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01:36:01.420
and tries to cook that bad thing.
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01:36:04.080
Now, it's worth talking about fever for a moment
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and talking about thermal regulation
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01:36:08.900
because I think this actually could save some lives.
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01:36:12.160
So if you are overheated to a point
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where you're getting up past 102 or 103,
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01:36:19.500
it's going to vary depending on person to person
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01:36:21.540
and certainly age.
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01:36:22.980
Kids, some people think,
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01:36:24.900
can tolerate higher levels of fever than adults,
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01:36:26.940
but look, you always want to be cautious
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01:36:28.660
about heating up the brain too much
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01:36:30.060
because once those neurons are gone, they do not come back
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01:36:32.380
and neurons do not do well in very high temperatures.
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01:36:35.340
Once your body temperature starts getting up to 102, 103,
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01:36:39.900
certainly 104, you are starting to enter serious danger zone.
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01:36:43.460
This can happen through exercise in hot environments
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01:36:46.540
or an inability to escape heat
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01:36:49.220
because you don't have covering
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01:36:50.440
or adequate ventilation or cooling.
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01:36:53.520
It can also be because of excessive fever
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01:36:55.620
for whatever reason.
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01:36:56.920
A lot of people think the way to deal with this
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is to put a cool compress on the back of the neck
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01:37:01.900
or to cool the torso.
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01:37:05.240
In discussing this with my colleague, Craig Heller,
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who's at Stanford School of Medicine,
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01:37:11.180
and he's on the undergraduate side of the campus as well,
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01:37:13.740
runs a biology lab.
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01:37:14.820
He's a world expert in thermal regulation.
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01:37:17.320
It's very clear that that's the wrong response
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to try and cool off the body.
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If you put a cold towel or you put an ice pack
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on the back of the neck,
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what you effectively do is cool the blood
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that's going to the brain.
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And if you do that, then your brain will react
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by turning up the crank in, so to speak,
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on the neurons in the preoptic area
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and will heat you up further
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and can cook your brain and organs further.
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So what you want to do is, as I've talked about before,
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you want to cool the bottoms of the feet,
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the palms of the hands, and the upper part of the face.
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I'm not going to go into all the details
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as to why you want to do that right now,
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but those are the locations you want to cool.
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Now, you can also cool the rest of the body,
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but it's not okay to just stay under the covers
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and just cool the neck or something like that.
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You really want to try and create a systemic
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or whole body cooling if the goal is to bring fever down.
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But in many cases, fever is adaptive.
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And so taking non-steroid and inflammatory drugs
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like Advil and Tylenol sometimes can be good
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if that's recommended,
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but other times, because it reduces your fever,
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it's allowing that pathogen,
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that pyrogen it's sometimes called.
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A pyrogen is a substance that causes fever.
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Think pyro, think fire, think pyromaniacs, think pyro.
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Those pyrogens can survive at moderate to low temperatures
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and they can't survive at high temperatures.
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So the fever is an adaptive mechanism and the OVLT
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and the sensing of your chemistry is how the OVLT,
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organum vasculosum and the lateral terminalis, does that.
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So we've talked about sensing lung volume,
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speed of our heartbeat.
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We talked about sensing the gut volume,
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the intestinal volume or the absence of volume.
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We talked about chemistry of the gut and the gut microbiota
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and autoimmune functions.
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And we've now talked about vomiting
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and we've talked about fever.
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Lots of aspects of sensing our internal self.
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Now I want to turn our attention to interoception
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as it relates to feelings,
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the way that interoception is most commonly described.
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And I want to highlight a term
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that many of you have probably heard,
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which is the vagus nerve.
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We talked about vagus a little bit earlier,
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but the vagus nerve, this vagabonding wandering nerve
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is involved in everything I've talked about up until now.
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And the reason I saved it till now,
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rather than mentioning it all along,
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is to highlight a specific point,
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which is that whenever we hear about the vagus
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in popular culture, it's like the vagus calms you down.
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You want to stimulate the vagus
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by rubbing in front of the ear.
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And it's a parasympathetic nerve and it will calm you down.
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It will mellow you out.
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And actually, most of the time, the vagus is stimulatory.
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When you ingest foods with amino acids, sugars,
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or fatty acids, the vagus nerve gets activated
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and triggers the release of dopamine.
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It makes you more alert and go seek more of those foods
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or what led to those conditions.
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When you feel nauseous, it's rarely calming.
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When you feel like you have a fever, it's rarely calming.
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So you're starting to get the picture
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that even though the vagus nerve
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is in the parasympathetic branch
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of the autonomic nervous system,
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and if that doesn't mean anything to you
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because you're not an aficionado, don't worry about it,
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but it's not a calming system.
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It's a communication system and it's a motor system.
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It communicates brain to body and body to brain,
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and it changes the function of different organs.
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Now, one thing that's important to highlight
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is that stress itself will alter the chemistry of your gut
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because of the ways that it shuts down the vagus nerve
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and quiets the neurons that communicate from gut to brain.
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I want to say that again.
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Stress will disrupt your gut and make you feel not good,
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poor digestion, and just lousy,
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because of the way that it shuts down the vagus nerve
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and the neurons of your gut.
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So what stress does is it blocks the communication
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between gut and brain.
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It doesn't mess up your gut.
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It just doesn't let your gut get the signals
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up to your brain, and it also then throws off the chemistry,
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and then there's a whole cascade of effects.
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If you want to learn more about stress,
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I did a whole episode called Master Stress,
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or I think maybe it was called Conquer Stress.
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I think it was Master Stress.
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Either one, the whole point of that episode
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is to give you tools and practices
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to deal with short-term acute stress, moderate-term stress,
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and long-term chronic stress through behavioral mechanisms,
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nutrition, supplementation, and many other things as well.
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It's chock-a-block full of protocols and tools for stress.
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The vagus nerve, however, is responsible for emotion,
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and the way it does that is to pool,
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to aggregate the conditions of your gut,
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the conditions of your heart
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and the conditions of your breathing,
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which includes your diaphragm and lungs,
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and takes that kind of as a collection of information
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and sends it to the brain
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and controls what we call your emotions.
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Now, that might seem obvious to some people,
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but to other people, that might seem totally crazy.
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You thought your emotions were because the market was down
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and you had invested,
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or because something that you thought was going to happen
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is not going to happen,
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or because you thought that school was going to open
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and then it's not,
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or maybe you thought it wasn't and it is.
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Whatever it is that bothers you,
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you think of generally as a purely cognitive event,
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but the brain doesn't really know
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what to do with that information.
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It doesn't act directly on that information to create moods.
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Moods are created through the heart's response
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to reading that headline,
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to the change in your breathing
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that's caused by someone that you love telling you
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that actually they're not interested
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in spending time with you anymore,
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01:43:01.700
or that you screwed up,
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01:43:02.620
or that they're interested in spending
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a lot of time with you and you like that, right?
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Emotions can be good or bad or neutral.
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01:43:09.460
So this thing that we call interoception,
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the sense of self,
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01:43:13.580
I've been building up from very fundamental layers,
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gut chemistry, spleens, immune systems, autoimmune,
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01:43:20.340
and you might've been thinking,
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wait, I thought this was going to be about a sense of self,
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a noticing or a feeling.
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And indeed all of those things are plugging in
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like a series of ingredients in a recipe
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that gives rise to your mood and how you feel.
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01:43:35.300
And that mood and how you feel
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is shown in one location in your body
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that other people can see,
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and that's in your facial expressions.
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And indeed there are now beautiful data
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showing that your face,
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01:43:51.620
including the size of your pupils,
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the tonality of your face,
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01:43:55.280
how flushed you are or how pale you are,
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01:43:59.080
even the degree to which you are frowning or smiling
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01:44:02.520
relative to other periods of time,
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that is all an aggregate of,
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01:44:09.000
or a reflection rather of your gut,
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01:44:11.280
your heart and your breathing
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01:44:12.720
and the chemistry of your body.
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01:44:14.480
And so this is why I sort of backed into this conversation
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about interoception.
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01:44:18.240
I kind of Trojan horse this on you on purpose,
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01:44:21.800
which is that when we talk about the vagus and you hear,
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oh, you know, you can get vagal tone by breathing
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or rubbing on the front of the ear,
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01:44:27.720
sure, that's probably true.
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01:44:29.480
But another fundamental layer is the acidity of your gut,
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01:44:33.880
how fast you're breathing.
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01:44:35.060
Are you inhale emphasized or exhale emphasized breathing?
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01:44:40.040
When we are relaxed, our pupils tend to constrict.
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01:44:45.640
When we are very alert, our pupils tend to be dilated,
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01:44:49.100
whether or not that alertness has to do
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01:44:50.880
with being happy or being sad.
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And what's remarkable,
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and this is where interoception really, really
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takes a leap into the incredible,
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is that there are beautiful studies that show
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that for instance, when we know somebody pretty well,
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01:45:06.100
and they are going through some sort of experience
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of any kind, our heart rate actually starts
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01:45:12.220
to mimic their heart rate.
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01:45:14.200
Our breathing starts to mimic their breathing
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01:45:16.200
even if we aren't conscious of their breathing.
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01:45:18.740
It's not like we see their chest heaving
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01:45:22.560
and we think, oh my goodness.
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01:45:23.520
And then we breathe that way.
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01:45:25.580
There's a mirroring and no,
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01:45:27.440
it's not carried out through mirror neurons.
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01:45:29.000
Mirror neurons are more of a myth than a reality.
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01:45:31.120
Sorry to burst people's bubbles,
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01:45:32.880
but that bubble around mirror neurons
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01:45:34.620
is definitely made of myths and a topic for another time.
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01:45:38.960
But we start to mirror.
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01:45:41.040
Somehow human beings are able to register
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the internal state of other beings.
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01:45:46.280
And I think probably for animals too,
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but certainly for other humans, even at a distance.
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01:45:51.000
And these studies are many now
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01:45:52.920
and they're really wonderful studies.
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01:45:54.600
And so your sense of your internal landscape
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01:45:58.240
is linked to others.
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01:46:00.320
Now you can enhance this interoceptive capacity
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for how you feel and how others feel.
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01:46:05.680
In other words, you can start getting a better readout
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01:46:08.960
of your internal state by doing a simple exercise,
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01:46:14.320
what is really a tool.
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01:46:15.960
And that is to learn to sense your heartbeats.
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01:46:19.520
So some people are very good at this.
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01:46:21.840
Other people are not.
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01:46:23.300
Some people can do this more easily
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when they have all their air exhaled
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01:46:26.720
and some people can do it better
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01:46:27.860
when they are holding a breath hold.
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01:46:30.600
But one thing that's kind of cool
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about this whole interoceptive capacity
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01:46:36.000
is that you can enhance it very, very quickly.
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01:46:38.440
You can learn or teach yourself
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01:46:40.440
to have heightened levels of interoception
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01:46:43.680
in a way that you can't really just give yourself
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01:46:45.720
heightened levels of vision by snapping your fingers
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01:46:47.920
in one round of one tool or exercise.
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01:46:50.200
There are things you can do to improve vision.
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01:46:51.800
That's the topic of a previous episode.
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01:46:53.360
I encourage you to look it up.
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01:46:54.400
There are things you can do to improve your hearing
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01:46:56.680
and your taste and your smell.
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01:46:58.160
We talked about all those.
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01:46:59.780
But within interoception,
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you can get very good at this very fast.
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01:47:03.480
And I think this is one of the reasons
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why meditation is powerful.
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01:47:06.360
I think there are a lot of reasons
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why meditation is powerful.
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01:47:08.320
But one of the reasons is when you stop
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taking in exteroceptive information,
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01:47:12.660
information from the outside world,
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01:47:14.680
by closing your eyes and focusing inward, as they say,
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01:47:18.520
you start paying attention to your breathing cadence.
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01:47:20.880
You start directing your mind's attention
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01:47:23.380
to your heart rate.
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01:47:24.980
And if you can start to perceive your heart beating,
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01:47:28.240
you actually are very quickly strengthen
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the vagal connections between the body and the brain.
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01:47:35.120
And so there's no real practice here.
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There's no breathe this way or do this thing,
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01:47:39.600
except to direct your awareness toward your heartbeat.
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01:47:45.400
And some people can get very good at this very fast.
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01:47:48.520
Most people find that just by doing this for a minute or so,
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01:47:51.080
every once in a while,
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01:47:52.840
they start to tap into this sixth sense.
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01:47:55.540
They start to notice when they don't feel quite right
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01:47:59.600
about something or somebody or some situation,
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or they start to notice when they feel quite right
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about somebody or something or some situation.
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01:48:08.200
So this interoceptive awareness can be tuned up.
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It used to be called vagal tone,
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but I think that term doesn't take into account
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all the other things that are going on with the vagus.
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01:48:17.360
So I don't really like that term.
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It's more of an interoceptive awareness.
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01:48:21.840
And again, there are many studies now showing
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that for sake of bettering one's mood overall,
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01:48:29.160
for sake of moving through a challenging phase in life,
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01:48:31.680
for sake of just enhancing one's experience of life overall,
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01:48:35.400
whether or not it's the taste of foods,
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01:48:36.720
interactions with other people, enjoyment, focus, pleasure,
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01:48:41.640
tuning up one's interoceptive awareness is both easy,
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01:48:45.240
again, by just taking a minute or two
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01:48:46.960
and trying to count heartbeats.
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01:48:49.200
And then this works best, of course,
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if you have some independent readout of heartbeats
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01:48:52.900
and you can compare, you can see how accurate you are.
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01:48:55.960
But even if you don't use a device
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01:48:57.760
or have a device to do that,
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01:48:59.600
without taking your pulse,
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01:49:01.200
using your thumb on your wrist or something
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01:49:02.760
or your fingers on your neck,
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01:49:04.140
as you typically would for taking your pulse,
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01:49:06.160
trying to sit still for a minute or two,
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01:49:09.280
every once in a while, maybe once a week,
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maybe twice a week, maybe while you're meditating,
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01:49:13.700
maybe while breath work,
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01:49:14.680
maybe during the breath holds or breath work.
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01:49:16.100
You don't really have to do this
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in any kind of extended way.
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01:49:19.040
You can very quickly increase your interoceptive tone
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01:49:22.000
and that has a huge and outsized effect
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01:49:25.160
on the brain-body relationship
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01:49:28.200
and your brain's ability to tap into
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01:49:32.080
both the subconscious and the conscious aspects
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01:49:35.240
of this chemical and mechanical signaling
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01:49:37.160
that's happening all the time.
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01:49:38.440
And it can have real and outsized positive effects
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on your ability to engage with other people
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01:49:43.480
and your ability to focus at work
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01:49:45.880
and your ability to notice,
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01:49:47.400
ah, I'm finding myself kind of feeling
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01:49:51.040
like I'm losing focus,
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01:49:52.340
but really it was my heart rate was just increasing.
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01:49:54.260
Maybe I just exhale a little bit
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and bring my heart rate down.
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01:49:58.020
So what I've effectively tried to do today
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is to give you a window into this incredible relationship
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between your viscera and your brain
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01:50:05.840
and your brain and your viscera,
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01:50:07.000
all these organs of your body.
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01:50:08.160
And what I hope is that you'll appreciate
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that it's a system, that you aren't just a system of tubes.
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01:50:14.700
I said that in sort of in jest.
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I mean, you have a lot of tubes
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and you are a system of tubes,
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but that system of tubes is linked
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01:50:20.500
through the nervous system.
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And those links work in very specific ways.
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So whether or not you remember about piezos
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01:50:27.060
and all the GLP-1Rs and all that stuff,
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01:50:28.960
it doesn't really matter.
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01:50:30.240
What I encourage you to do is start sort of pushing
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01:50:33.400
and pulling on the various levers
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01:50:34.940
within this beautiful system
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01:50:36.260
that we call the interoceptive system, this sense of self.
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01:50:40.340
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During the course of today's episode
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and on previous episodes, I mentioned supplements.
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I realize supplements aren't for everybody,
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but for those of you that are interested in supplements,
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it is important that the supplements that you take
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have a high level of stringency
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with respect to the amounts of the contents
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that are listed on the bottle
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matching what's actually in the bottle,
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in the capsules and tablets,
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and that the quality of those ingredients be extremely high.
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For that reason, we partnered with Thorne,
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that's T-H-O-R-N-E,
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because Thorne supplements have the highest levels
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of stringency for both the content
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and the amount of content in those bottles and supplements.
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If you want to try Thorne supplements
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and you want to see the supplements that I take,
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you can go to thorne.com slash the letter U slash Huberman,
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and you can see all the supplements that I take.
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You can get 20% off any of those.
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And if you enter the Thorne site through that portal,
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you can get 20% off any of the supplements
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that Thorne makes.
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In addition, we have a Patreon account.
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It's patreon.com slash Andrew Huberman.
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There you can support the podcast
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at any level that you like.
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