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How to Learn Skills Faster | Huberman Lab Podcast #20



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Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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where we discuss science and science-based tools
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for everyday life.
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I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology
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and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine.
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This podcast is separate from my teaching
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and research roles at Stanford.
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It is, however, part of my desire and effort
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to bring zero cost to consumer information
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about science and science-related tools
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to the general public.
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In keeping with that theme,
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I'd like to thank the sponsors of today's podcast.
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Our first sponsor is Belcampo Meat Company.
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Belcampo Meat Company is a regenerative farm
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in Northern California that raises organic, grass-fed,
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and grass-finished certified humane meats.
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I eat meat about once a day.
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I'm neither pure carnivore nor am I a vegetarian,
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obviously, I eat meat.
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The way I eat is I tend to fast until about noon,
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and then I have my first meal,
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which generally consists of a piece of beef,
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you know, it's either ground beef or a steak.
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I like ribeyes, I like flat irons, these kinds of things,
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and a small salad, sometimes a large salad.
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And then throughout the day,
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I generally am low carb until the evening
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when I eat pasta and rice and things of that sort.
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Eating that way is what optimizes my levels of alertness
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and optimizes my sleep.
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I've talked about this on previous podcast episodes.
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Now, because I eat meat essentially every day,
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the source of that meat is extremely important to me.
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I want it to be healthy for me,
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and I want the animals that it comes from to be healthy
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and to have lived a good life.
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Conventionally raised animals are confined to feedlots
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and they eat a diet of inflammatory grains,
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which is terrible for them,
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and it's terrible for us when we eat those meats.
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Belcampo's animals graze on open pastures
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and seasonal grasses, which results in meat
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that is higher in nutrients and healthy fats.
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They actually have very high levels of omega-3s,
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which I've also talked about on this podcast
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are important for mental and physical health
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for a variety of reasons.
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The way Belcampo raises its animals
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is also good for the environment.
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They practice regenerative agriculture,
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which means it's climate positive and carbon negative,
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which translates to good for us and good for the planet.
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You can order Belcampo sustainably raised meats
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I've long been a believer in getting blood work done
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for the simple reason that many,
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if not most of the factors that impact
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One of the major problems with blood tests and DNA tests
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but it's very hard to know what to do with that information.
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So they give you some understanding of what those are
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about things that you can do with your lifestyle,
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changes to your sleep schedule or exercise patterns
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which gives you a sense of your lifespan
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or predicted lifespan.
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I started using Athletic Greens
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put in a little bit of lemon juice
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mix it up, it tastes delicious.
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I'll do that once or twice a day.
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It's compatible with fasting, at least for me.
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but many people, including me,
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we're not getting enough sunlight or D3.
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Even if I was getting a lot of sunlight,
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I know that because I had my blood levels measured of D3.
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So I use vitamin D3 every day
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This month on the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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we're talking all about physical performance.
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So that means athletic performance, recreational exercise,
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weightlifting, running, swimming, yoga,
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skills and skill learning.
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Today, we're going to talk about and focus on skill learning.
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We are going to focus on how to learn skills more quickly,
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in particular motor skills.
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This will also translate to things like musical skills
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and playing instruments,
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but we're mainly going to focus on physical movements
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of the body that extend beyond the hands,
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like just playing the piano
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or the fingers like playing the guitar.
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But everything we're going to talk about
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will also serve the formation and the consolidation
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and the performance of other types of skills.
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So if you're interested in how to perform better,
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whether or not it's dance or yoga
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or even something that's just very repetitive
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like running or swimming, this podcast episode is for you.
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We're going to go deep into the science of skill learning
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and we are going to talk about very specific protocols
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that the science points to and has verified
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allow you to learn more quickly,
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to embed that learning so that you remember it
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and to be able to build up skills more quickly
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than you would otherwise.
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We are also going to touch on a few things
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that I get asked about a lot,
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but fortunately recently I've had the time
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to go deep into the literature, extract the data for you
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and that's mental visualization.
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How does visualizing a particular skill or practice
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serve the learning and or the consolidation
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of that practice?
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Turns out there are some absolutely striking protocols
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that one can use, striking meaning they allow you
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to learn faster and they allow you to remember
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how to do things more quickly and better
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than if you were not doing this mental rehearsal,
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but the pattern of mental rehearsal
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and when you do that mental rehearsal
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turns out to be vitally important.
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So I'm excited for today's episode.
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We're going to share a lot of information with you
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and there are going to be a lot of very simple takeaways.
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So let's get started.
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Before we get into the topic of skill learning
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and tools for accelerating skill learning,
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I want to briefly revisit the topic of temperature,
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which was covered in the last episode
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and just highlight a few things
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and clear up some misunderstandings.
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So last episode talked about these incredible data
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from my colleague Craig Heller's lab at Stanford.
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He's in the department of biology
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showing that cooling the palms in particular ways
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and at particular times can allow athletes
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or just recreational exercisers
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to do more pull-ups, dips, bench presses per unit time
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to run further, to cycle further
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and to feel better doing it.
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There really are incredible data
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that are anchored in the biology of the vascular system,
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the blood supply and how it's involved in cooling us.
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Many of you, dozens of you in fact, said, wait a second,
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you gave us a protocol in this episode
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which says that we should cool our palms periodically
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throughout exercise in order to be able to do more work.
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But on the episode before that
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on growth hormone and thyroid hormone,
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you said that heating up the body
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is good for release of growth hormone.
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And I just want to clarify that both things are true.
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These are two separate protocols.
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You should always warm up before you exercise.
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That warm up will not increase your body temperature
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or the muscle temperature to the point
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where it's going to diminish your work capacity,
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that it's going to harm your performance.
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The cooling of the palms,
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which is really just a route to cool your core
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in an efficient way, the most efficient way in fact,
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is about improving performance.
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Heating up the body with exercise
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and focusing on heat increases
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or using sauna for heat increases
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is geared toward growth hormone release
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which is a separate matter.
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So you can do both of these protocols,
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but you would want to do them at separate times.
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So just to make this very concrete
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before I move on to today's topic,
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if you're interested in doing more work,
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being able to do more sets and reps per unit time
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and feel better doing it or to run further
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or to cycle further,
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then cooling the palms periodically
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as I described in the previous episode
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is going to be the way to go.
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If you're interested in getting growth hormone release,
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well then hot sauna and I offered some other tools
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if you don't have a sauna
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in the episode on growth hormone and thyroid hormone
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is going to be the way to go.
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Okay, so those are separate protocols.
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You can include them in your fitness regime
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and your training regime,
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but you do want to do them at separate times.
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And as a last point about this,
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I also mentioned that caffeine
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can either help or hinder performance
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depending on whether or not you're caffeine adapted
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because of the ways that caffeine impacts body temperature
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and all sorts of things like vasodilation and constriction.
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It's very simple.
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If you enjoy caffeine before your workouts
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and you're accustomed to caffeine,
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meaning you drink it three or five times or more a week,
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100 to 300 milligrams is a typical daily dose of caffeine.
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Some of you are ingesting more, some less.
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If you do that regularly,
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well then it's going to be just fine
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to ingest caffeine before you train.
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It's not going to impact your body temperature
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and your vasodilation or constriction
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in ways that will hinder you.
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However, if you're not a regular caffeine user
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and you're thinking, oh, I'm going to drink a cup of coffee
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and get this huge performance enhancing effect.
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Well, that's not going to happen.
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Chances are it's going to lead to
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increases in body temperature
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and changes in the way that blood flow
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is happening in your body
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and in particular on these palmer surfaces and in your face
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that is going to likely diminish performance.
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So if you enjoy caffeine and you're accustomed to it,
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so-called caffeine adapted, enjoy it before your training.
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If you regularly, excuse me, if you do not
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regularly use caffeine,
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then you probably do not want to view caffeine
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as a performance enhancing tool.
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And while we're on the topic of tools
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and because this is a month on athletic performance
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and exercise and physical skill learning,
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I want to offer an additional tool
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that I've certainly found useful,
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which is how to relieve the so-called side stitch
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or side cramp when running or swimming.
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This actually relates to respiration
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and to the nervous system.
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And it is not a cramp.
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If you've ever been out running
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and you felt like you had a pain on your side,
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that pain could be any number of things,
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but that what feels like cramping of your side
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is actually due to what's called collateralization
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of the phrenic nerve,
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which is a lot harder to say than a side cramp
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or a side stitch.
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But here's the situation.
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You have a set of nerves,
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which is called the phrenic nerve, P-H-R-E-N-I-C,
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the phrenic nerve, which extends down
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from your brainstem essentially, this region,
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to your diaphragm to control your breathing.
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It has a collateral, meaning it has a branch,
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just like the branch on a tree that innervates your liver.
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And if you are not breathing deeply enough,
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what can happen is you can get
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what's called sometimes a referenced pain.
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Reference pain is probably going to be familiar
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to any of you who have ever read
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about how to recognize heart attack.
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People who have heart attacks will sometimes have pain
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on one side of their body, the left arm.
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Sometimes people that have pain in a part of their back
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will suddenly also get pain in their shoulder
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or part of their face.
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This has to do with the fact
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that many of our nerves branch
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and are meaning they're collateralized
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to different organs and areas of the body.
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And the way those nerves are woven together,
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it's often the case that if we disrupt the pattern of firing
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of electrical activity in one of those nerve branches,
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that the other ones are affected too.
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The side stitch, the pain in your side,
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is often because of the contractions of the diaphragm
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because of the way you're breathing while you're exercising,
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running or swimming or biking.
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And as a consequence, you feel pain in your side,
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but that's not a cramp.
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The way to relieve it is very simple.
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You do the physiological side that I've talked about
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in previous episodes of the podcast and elsewhere,
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which is a double inhale through the nose, very deep,
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and then a long exhale.
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And you might want to repeat that two or three times.
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Typically, that will relieve the side stitch
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because of the way that it changes the firing patterns
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of the phrenic nerve.
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So the side stitch is annoying, it's painful.
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Sometimes when you think we're dehydrated
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and you might be dehydrated,
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but oftentimes it's just that we're breathing in a way
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that causes some referenced pain of the liver.
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We call it a side stitch or a side cramp,
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and you can relieve it very easily
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through the double inhale, long exhale.
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That pattern, done two or three times.
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Often you can continue to engage in the exercise
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while you do the double inhale, exhale,
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and it will just relieve itself that way.
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So give it a try if you experience the side stitch.
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Some people I know are also doing the double inhale,
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long exhale during long continuous bouts of exercise.
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I actually do this when I run.
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We have decent data,
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although these are still unpublished data
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that can engage a kind of regular cadence
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of heart rate variability.
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So there are a number of reasons
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why this physiological side can be useful,
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but it certainly can be useful for relieving the side stitch
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or so-called side cramp.
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Let's talk about the acquisition of new skills.
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These could be skills such as a golf swing or a tennis swing,
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or you're shooting free throws,
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or you're learning to dance,
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or you're learning an instrument.
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I'm mainly going to focus on athletic performance.
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There are basically two types of skills,
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open loop and closed loop.
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Open loop skills are skills
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where you perform some sort of motor action
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and then you wait and you get immediate feedback
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as to whether or not it was done correctly or not.
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A good example will be throwing darts at a dartboard.
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So if you throw the dart,
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you get feedback about whether or not you hit the bull's eye
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and you're off the dartboard
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or you're some other location on the dartboard.
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That's open loop.
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Closed loop would be something that's more continuous.
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So let's say you're a runner
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and you're starting to do some speed work and some sprints
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and you're running and you can kind of feel
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whether or not you're running correctly
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or maybe even have a coach
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and they're correcting your stride
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or you're trying to do some sort of skill
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like a hopscotch skill,
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which maybe you're doing the ladder work
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where you're stepping between designated spaces
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on the ground.
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That's closed loop because as you go,
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you can adjust your behavior
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and you can adjust the distance of your steps
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or you can adjust your speed
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or you can adjust your posture
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and you are able to essentially do more practice
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per unit time,
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but you're getting feedback on a moment to moment basis.
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Okay, so you have open loop and closed loop.
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And just to make this very, very clear,
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open loop would be practicing your tennis serve.
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So let's say that you set a target
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on the other side of the net,
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you throw the ball up and you hit the ball,
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it goes over, that's open loop.
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You'll know whether or not you were in the court,
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you were on the location you wanted to hit
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or close to it or not.
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That's open loop.
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Closed loop would be if you're in a regular case.
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So maybe you're learning a swim stroke
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or maybe you're trying to learn a particular rhythm
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on the drums.
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So maybe you're trying to learn a particular beat.
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I'm not very musical,
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so I'm not going to embarrass myself
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by giving an example of this,
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although later I will,
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where you're trying to get a particular rhythm down
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and if you're not getting it,
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you can adjust in real time and try and catch up
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or slow down or speed up, et cetera.
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Okay, so hopefully you'll understand open loop
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and closed loop.
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You should always know before you try and learn a skill,
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whether or not it's open loop or closed loop.
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And I'll return to why that's important shortly.
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But if you want to learn something,
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ask is it open loop or closed loop?
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There are essentially three components of any skill
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that involves motor movement.
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And those are sensory perception,
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actually perceiving what you are doing
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and what's happening around you.
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So what you see, what you hear,
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sometimes you're paying attention
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to what you're doing specifically,
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like the trajectory of your arm
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or how you're moving your feet if you're learning to dance.
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Sometimes you're more focused on something
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that's happening outside of you,
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like you're listening for something in music
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or you're paying attention
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to the way your partner is moving, et cetera.
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So there's sensory input.
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Then there are the actual movements, okay?
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So there are the movements of your limbs and body.
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And then there's something called proprioception.
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And proprioception is often discussed
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as kind of a sixth sense of knowing where your limbs are
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in relation to your body.
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So proprioception is vitally important.
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If I reach down and pick up this pen and pick it up,
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I'm not thinking about where the pen in my hand is
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relative to my body,
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but proprioceptively I'm aware of it
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at kind of a sixth cent deeper subconscious level.
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I can also make myself aware of where my limbs are.
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And typically when we learn,
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we are placing more focus on proprioception
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than we do ordinarily.
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So if I get up from this chair
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and I happen to walk out of the room,
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I don't think about where my feet are landing
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relative to one another.
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But if my leg had fallen asleep
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because I had been leaning on one of the nerves of my leg
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or something like that,
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and my leg feels all tingly or numb,
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I and you, if this were to happen,
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you would immediately notice a shift in gait.
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It would feel strange.
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I'd have to pay attention to how I'm stepping.
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And the reason is
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I'm not getting any proprioceptive feedback.
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Now, skill learning has a lot of other dimensions too,
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but those are the main ones that we're going to focus on.
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So just to remind you,
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you need to know open loop or closed loop,
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and you need to know whether or not, excuse me,
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you need to know that there's sensory perception,
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what you're paying attention to,
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movements themselves and proprioception.
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And there's one other important thing that you need to know,
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which is that movement of any kind
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is generated from one, two, or three sources
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within your nervous system, within your brain and body.
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These are central pattern generators,
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which are sometimes called CSPGs.
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Excuse me, CPGSs.
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CSPGs are something entirely different in biology.
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CPGSs, this just goes to show that I have a module.
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CSPGs are chondroitin sulfate proteoglycans.
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They have nothing to do with this topic.
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CPGSs are central pattern generators,
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or CPGs they're sometimes called.
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These CPGs are in your spinal cord,
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mine and yours, different ones,
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and they generate repetitive movements.
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So if you're walking, if you're running,
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if you're cycling, if you're breathing,
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which presumably you are,
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and you're doing that in a regular rhythmic cadence,
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central pattern generators are controlling that movement.
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After you learn how to walk, run, swim, cycle,
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do anything really, much of the work is handed off
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to the central pattern generators.
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And there were experiments that were done
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in the 60s, 70s, and 80s
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that actually looked at the cerebrate animals
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and even the cerebrate humans.
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These are humans and animals that lack a cerebral cortex.
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They lack much of the brain,
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and yet they can engage in what's called a fictive movement.
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So it sounds like a kind of barbaric experiment.
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I'm glad I wasn't the one to have to do them,
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but this is the stuff of neuroscience textbooks
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that cats or dogs or mice
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that have their neocortex removed,
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put them on a treadmill, they'll walk just fine.
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And they will adjust their speed of walking just fine,
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even though they basically lack
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all their thinking decision-making brain.
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And it turns out humans that have,
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unfortunately, massive strokes to their cortex
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and lack any neocortex,
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but preserve the central pattern generators,
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will also walk just fine,
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even though they lack any of the other stuff in the brain.
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So these CPGs or CPGSs are amazing,
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and they control a lot of our already learned behavior.
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When you're really good at something,
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CPGs are controlling a lot of that behavior.
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And that's true also for a golf swing,
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even if it's not really repetitive.
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Somebody who's really good at golf is going to,
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I guess you call it a tee.
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You put the ball on the tee.
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I show my knowledge of golf.
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I've only done mini golf, frankly,
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but someday maybe I'll learn how to golf,
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but you set the golf ball down and swing.
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Set the golf ball down, swing.
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Central pattern generators are going to handle a lot of that.
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If I were to go to the golf course,
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Stanford has a beautiful golf course,
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if I were to go out there and put a ball on the tee,
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my central pattern generators
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would not be involved in that at all.
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The moment I get, you know, bring the club back to swing,
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it's going to engage other things.
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And the other things it's going to engage,
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because I don't know that behavior now or then,
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is upper motor neurons.
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We have motor neurons in our cortex,
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in our neocortex that control deliberate action.
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And those are the ones that you're engaging
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when you are learning.
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Those are the ones that you have to pay attention
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in order to engage.
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And that's what's happening, for instance,
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if I decide I'm going to reach down and pick up my pen,
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which I rarely think about,
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but now I'm thinking about it
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and I'm going to do this in a very deliberate way,
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I'm going to grab with these two fingers and lift,
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my upper motor neurons are now involved, okay?
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So upper motor neurons are very important
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because a little bit later in the episode,
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when we talk about how to use visualization
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in order to accelerate skill learning,
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it's going to leverage these upper motor neurons
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in very particular ways, okay?
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So we have CPGs for rhythmic movement,
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upper motor neurons for deliberate unlearned movements
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or movements that we are in the process of learning.
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And then we have what are called lower motor neurons.
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Lower motor neurons are the ones in our spinal cord
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that send little wires out to our muscles,
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which actually cause the firing of those muscle fibers, okay?
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So the way to think about this
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is you've got upper motor neurons,
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which talk to CPGs and to lower motor neurons.
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So it's really simple.
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And now you know most everything there is to know
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about the neural pathways controlling movement,
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at least for sake of this discussion.
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So anytime we learn something,
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we have to decide what to place our sensory perception on,
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meaning what are we going to focus on?
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That's critical.
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If you're listening to this
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and you're the type of person who likes taking notes,
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this should be the second question you ask.
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Remember the first question is,
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is it open loop or closed loop?
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The second question should be,
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what should I focus my attention on?
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Auditory attention, visual attention, or proprioception.
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Should I focus on where my limbs are relative to my body
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or should I focus on the outcome?
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Okay, this is a critical distinction.
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You can decide to learn how to do a golf swing
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or learn how to shoot free throws
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or learn how to dance tango
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and decide that you are going to focus
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on the movements of your partner
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or the positions of your feet.
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Maybe you're going to look at them.
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Maybe you're going to sense them.
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You're going to actually feel where they are.
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Or maybe you're going to sense
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the position and posture of your body,
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which is more proprioceptive, okay?
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So you have to allocate your attention.
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And I'm going to tell you how to allocate your attention best
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in order to learn faster.
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So these are the sorts of decisions that you have to make.
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Fortunately for you, you don't have to think about
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whether or not you're going to use your upper motor neurons
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and your lower motor neurons or not,
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because if you don't know how to do something,
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you're automatically going to engage
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your upper motor neurons.
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And if you do, you are all right,
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then you're not going to use your upper motor neurons.
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You're mainly going to rely on central pattern generators.
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You are always using your lower motor neurons
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to move muscle.
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So we can really simplify things now.
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I've given you a lot of information, but we can simplify it.
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Basically open loop or closed loop, that's one question.
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And what am I going to focus on?
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And then your neurology will take care of the rest.
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So now I want to talk about realistic expectations.
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Somewhere in Hollywood, presumably,
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it got embedded in somebody's mind
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that instant skill acquisition was possible,
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that you could take a particular pill
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or you could touch a particular object,
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or you could have a wand wave over you
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and you would suddenly have a skill.
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And so that is the result of Hollywood at all.
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It doesn't exist, at least not in reality.
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And I love movies, but it simply doesn't exist.
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Then the self-help literature created another rule
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called the 10,000 hours rule.
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And frankly, that doesn't really match the literature,
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at least the scientific literature either.
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I like it because it implies that learning takes time,
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which is more accurate than the Hollywood at all
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instant skill acquisition rule,
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which isn't really a rule, it's a myth.
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But the 10,000 hours rule overlooks something crucial,
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which is that it's not about hours, it's about repetitions.
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Now, of course, there's a relationship
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between time and repetitions,
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but there are some beautiful experiments
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that point to the fact that by simple adjustment
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of what you are focused on
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as you attempt to learn a new skill,
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you can adjust the number of repetitions that you do,
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you adjust your motivation for learning,
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and you can vastly accelerate learning.
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Some of you may recognize this by its internet name,
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which is not a scientific term,
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which is the Super Mario effect.
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There's actually a quite good video on YouTube
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describing the Super Mario effect.
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I think it was a YouTuber who has,
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I think, a background in science.
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And he did an interesting experiment,
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and I'll talk about his experiment first,
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and then I will talk about the neurobiology
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that supports the result that he got.
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The Super Mario effect relates
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to the game Super Mario Brothers,
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but you'll see why at the end.
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But basically what they did was they had 50,000 subjects,
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which is a enormous number of subjects.
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Learn a program,
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essentially taking words from a computer program
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or the commands for a computer program
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that were kind of clustered in a column on the right.
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So these are the sorts of things
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that computer programmers will be familiar with,
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but other people won't.
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And those commands are essentially,
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they essentially translate to things like go forward,
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and then if it's a right-hand turn in the maze,
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then go right and continue
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until you hit a choice point, et cetera.
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So it's a bunch of instructions,
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but the job of the subjects in these experiments
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were to organize those instructions in a particular way
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that would allow a little cursor
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to move through the maze successfully, okay?
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So basically the goal was,
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or at least what the subjects were told,
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is that anyone can learn to computer program,
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and if somebody can just organize the instructions
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in the right way,
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then they can program this little cursor
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to move through a maze, very simple.
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And yet, if you don't have any background
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in computer programming, or even if you do,
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it takes some skill.
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You have to know what commands to give
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in what particular order, and they made that very easy.
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You could just assemble them in a list
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over onto the right.
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So people started doing this.
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Now, there were two groups,
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and one half of the subjects,
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if they got it wrong,
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meaning they entered a command and the cursor would move,
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and it was the wrong command
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for this little cursor to move through the maze,
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they saw a signal jump up on their screen
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that said, that did not work, please try again.
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That's it.
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If they put in the wrong command
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or it was in the wrong sequence,
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it would say, that did not work, please try again,
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and then the subjects would reorganize the instructions,
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and then the little cursor would continue,
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and if they got it wrong again,
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it would say, that did not work, please try again, okay?
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The other half of the subjects,
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if they got something wrong, were told,
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you just lost five points, please continue.
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So that's the only difference in the feedback that they got.
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Now, I have to confess, I would have predicted
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based on my knowledge of dopamine circuitry
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and reward contingency and epinephrine and stress
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and motivated learning,
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and this other thing that we've been told
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in many, many books on behavioral economics
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and in the self-help literature,
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which is that people will work much harder
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to prevent losing something
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than they will to gain something,
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that you hear all the time,
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and it turns out that that's not at all what happened.
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If they looked at the success rate of the subjects,
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what they found was that the subjects that were told,
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that did not work, please try again,
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had a 68% success rate.
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68% of them went on to successfully program
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this cursor moving through the maze.
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Whereas the ones that were told, you lost five points,
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had a 52% success rate, which is a significant difference.
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But the source of the success or the lack of success
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is really interesting.
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The subjects that were told, that did not work,
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please try again,
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tried many, many more times per unit time.
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In other words, they made more attempts
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at programming this thing
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to allow this cursor to move through the maze.
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Whereas the people that were told, you lost five points,
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gave up earlier or gave up entirely.
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Okay, so let's just step back from this
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because to me, this was very surprising.
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It violates a lot of things that I had heard
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in the kind of popular culture or the self-help literature
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that people will work much harder
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to avoid losing something than they will to gain something.
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And it didn't really fit with what I understood
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about reward contingencies and dopamine.
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But it did fit well with another set of experiments
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that I'm very familiar with from the neuroscience literature
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and I'll give you the punchline first.
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And then we're going to take what these data mean
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and we're going to talk about a learning protocol
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that you can use that will allow you to learn skills faster
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by willingly participating in more repetitions
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of the skill learning.
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Meaning you will want to do more repetitions
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even if you're getting it wrong some or most of the time.
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So the experiment that I want to tell you about
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is called the tube test.
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And this is generally done in mice
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although it's sometimes been done in rats
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and it has a lot of parallels to some things
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that you've probably seen and experienced
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even in human life, in regular life, maybe even in your life.
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So here's the experiment.
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You take two rats, you put them in a tube
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or two mice, you put them in a tube.
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And mice and rats, they don't like to share the same tube.
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So what they'll do is they'll start pushing each other
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back and forth, back and forth.
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Sooner or later, one of the rats or mice
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pushes the other one out.
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The one that got pushed out is the loser.
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The one that gets the tube is the winner.
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Okay, now you take the winner, you give it a new competitor
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and what you find is that the mouse or rat
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that won previously has a much higher than chance
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probability of winning the second time.
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In other words, winning before leads to winning again.
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And the reverse is also true.
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If you take the loser and you put that loser in
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with another mouse, fresh mouse, new mouse,
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the loser typically will lose
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at much greater probability than chance.
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And this is not related to differences in strength
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or size or testosterone or any other of the things
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that might leap to mind as explanations for this
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because those were all controlled for.
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Now, that result had been known about for decades
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but three years ago, there was a paper published
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in the journal Science, Phenomenal Journal,
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it's one of the three apex journals,
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that examined the brain area that's involved in this.
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Turns out it's a particular area of the frontal cortex
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for those of you that want to know.
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And they did a simple experiment where they,
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the experimenters increased or decreased the activity
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of this brain area in the prefrontal cortex,
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little sub-region of the prefrontal cortex.
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And what they found is if they stimulated this brain area,
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a mouse or rat, regardless of whether or not
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it had been a winner or loser before,
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became a winner every single time.
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And they showed that if they blocked the activity
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of this brain area, regardless of whether or not
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the mouse or rat had been a winner or a loser,
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it became a loser every single time.
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And this translated to other scenarios,
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other competitive scenarios,
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where they'd put a bunch of mice or rats
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in a kind of cool chamber,
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they'd have a little heat lamp in the corner
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and mice like heat,
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and there was only enough space for one mouse
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to get the, be under the heat.
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And the one that had won in the tube test
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or that had the brain area stimulated
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always got the nice warm spot, okay?
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So what is this magic brain area?
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What is it doing?
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Well, the reason I'm bringing this up today,
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and the reason I'm bringing it up
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on the heels of the Super Mario effect
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is that stimulation of this brain area
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had a very simple and very important effect,
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which was it led to more forward steps,
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more repetitions, more effort,
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but not in terms of sheer might and will,
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not digging deeper, just more repetitions per unit time.
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And the losers had fewer repetitions per unit time.
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So the Super Mario effect, this online experiment,
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and the tube test, which has been done by various labs
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and repeated again and again,
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point to a simple but very important rule,
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which is neither the 10,000 hours rule
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nor the magic wand Hollywood version of learning,
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but rather the neurobiological explanation
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for learning a skill is you want to perform
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as many repetitions per unit time as you possibly can,
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at least when you're first trying to learn a skill.
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I want to repeat that.
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You want to perform as many repetitions as you possibly can,
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at least when you're first trying to learn a skill.
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Now that might sound like a duh, it's just more reps,
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but it's not so obvious.
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There's no reason why more repetitions
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should necessarily lead to faster learning
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because you could also say, well, more repetitions,
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you can make more errors,
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and those errors would lead to poor performance,
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like misstepping a number of times.
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And in these cases, there's very little feedback, right?
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It's not like every time the rat pushes forward
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or moves back that it is sensing, oh, I'm winning,
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I'm losing, I'm winning, I'm losing on a micro level.
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It probably does that as it starts to push the other one out
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the rat or mouse probably thinks I'm winning.
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And as it's backing up, it probably thinks I'm losing.
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As you play the game, the Super Mario game,
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you are told, nope, that didn't work,
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nope, that didn't work, please try again.
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But the important thing is that the winners
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are always generating more repetitions per unit time.
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It's just a repeat of performance, repeat of performance,
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even if there are errors.
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And that points to something vitally important,
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which is reps are important,
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but making error reps is also important.
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In fact, it might be the most important factor.
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So let's talk about errors and why those solve the problem
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of what to focus on.
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Because as I said earlier, if you want to learn something,
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you need to know if it's open loop or closed loop,
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and you need to know what to focus on,
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where to place your perception.
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And that seems like a tough task,
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but errors will tell you exactly what to focus on.
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So let's talk about errors and why you can leverage errors
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to accelerate skill learning.
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Okay, so we've established that performing
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the maximum number of repetitions per training session
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is going to be advantageous.
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And that might seem obvious,
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but there's a shadowy side to that, which is,
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well, why would I want to just repeat the same thing
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over and over again if I'm getting it wrong 90% of the time?
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And the reason is that the errors
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actually cue your nervous system to two things,
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one, to error correction,
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and the other is it opens the door
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or the window for neuroplasticity.
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Neuroplasticity is the brain and nervous system's ability
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to change in response to experience,
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essentially to custom modify itself
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in order to perform anything better.
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We did an entire month on neuroplasticity,
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and I talked a little bit about errors
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and why they're important.
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Now we're going to make this very concrete
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and operationalize it, make it very actionable.
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There was a paper that was published in 2021
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from Norman et al.
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This is a very important paper.
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It was published in the journal Neuron,
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which is a cell press journal, excellent journal.
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The title of the paper gives it away essentially,
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which is Post-Error Recruitment
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of Frontal Sensory Cortical Projections Promotes Attention.
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Now, what that says is that when you make an error,
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it causes an activation of the brain areas
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that anchor your attention.
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Remember, we need perception, attention,
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which they're essentially the same thing.
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We need proprioception,
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and we need the upper and lower motor neurons
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to communicate in the proper ways.
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And this vital question is what to pay attention to.
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Errors tell your nervous system
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that something needs to change.
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So if you are performing a task or a skill,
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like you're learning how to dance
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and you're stepping on the other person's toes
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or you're fumbling or you're not getting it right,
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those errors are opening the possibility for plasticity.
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If you walk away at that point,
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you've made the exact wrong choice, okay?
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Unless the errors are somehow hazardous to your health
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or somebody else's wellbeing,
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you want to continue to engage at a high repetition rate.
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That's really where the learning is possible.
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Without errors, the brain is not in a position
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to change itself.
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Errors actually cue the frontal cortex networks,
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what we call top-down processing,
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and the neuromodulators,
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things like dopamine and acetylcholine and epinephrine,
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that will allow for plasticity.
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So while the Super Mario experiment, the maze experiment,
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was only focused on generating errors,
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telling people that wasn't right, please try again,
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or that wasn't right, you lost five points,
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the key distinction is that the errors themselves
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cued people to the fact that they needed to change something.
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So if you're trying to learn a new skill
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and you're screwing up and you're making mistakes,
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the more mistakes you make,
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the more plastic your brain becomes,
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such that when you get it right,
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that correct pattern will be rewarded and consolidated.
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And you can trust that it will
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because the performance of something correctly
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is associated with the release
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of this neuromodulator dopamine.
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Dopamine is involved in craving and motivation,
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it's involved in a lot of things,
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but it's also involved in learning.
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We will do an entire episode on dopamine and learning,
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but because some of you are probably wondering,
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this does not mean that just increasing
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your dopamine levels before learning
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will allow you to learn faster.
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In fact, increasing your dopamine levels
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before learning using pharmacology
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will actually reduce what's called the signal to noise.
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It will make these increases in dopamine
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that pop up in your brain that suddenly make you realize,
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ah, I got that one right.
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It will make those smaller
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relative to the background levels of dopamine, okay?
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You want a big spike in dopamine
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when you perform a motor pattern correctly,
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and you want to make lots of errors,
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many, many repetitions of errors
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in order to get to that correct performance.
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Now, if you're like most people,
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you're going to do this in a way that's somewhat random,
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meaning, let's say it's a tennis serve,
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I can't play tennis,
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I think I've probably played tennis twice.
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So if I throw the ball up in the air and hit it,
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I'm going to get it wrong and probably hit the net,
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then I'm going to hit the net.
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Then I'll probably go too long,
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then I'll probably go over the fence.
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At some point, I like to think I'll get it correct.
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The dopamine signal for that is going to be quite big,
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and I'll think, okay, what did I do there?
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I actually don't know, I wasn't paying attention.
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What I was paying attention to is whether or not the ball
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went to the correct location
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on the opposite side of the net.
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Remember, it's an open loop move,
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so I don't actually know what I did correctly,
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but your nervous system will take care of that
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provided I, in this case,
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complete more and more and more repetitions.
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Now, if I were to just elevate my basal level of dopamine
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by taking, I don't know,
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1,500 milligrams of L-tyrosine or something,
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that would be bad because the increase in dopamine
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would actually be much lower, right?
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We would say the delta is smaller,
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the signal to noise is smaller
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if my overall levels of dopamine are very, very high,
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so I'm actually going to learn less well.
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So for skill learning, motor skill learning,
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increasing your dopamine levels prior is not a good idea.
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It might help with motivation to get to the learning,
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but it's not going to improve the plasticity process itself
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and it's likely to hinder it,
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and so that's very important.
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So these errors cue the brain that something was wrong
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and they open up the possibility for plasticity.
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It's what's sometimes called the framing effect.
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It frames what's important,
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and so I think this is a shift that we've heard about,
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you know, growth mindset, which is the incredible discovery
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and theory and practice of my colleague,
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Carol Dweck at Stanford.
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This is distinct from that, right?
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This isn't about motivation to learn.
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This is about how you actually learn.
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So the key is designate a particular block of time
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that you are going to perform repetitions.
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So maybe that's 30 minutes, maybe that's an hour.
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Work for time and then try and perform the maximum number
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of repetitions that you can do safely
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for you and others per unit time.
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That's going to be the best way to approach learning
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for most sessions.
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I will talk about other things that one can do,
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but making errors is key,
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and this isn't a motivational speech.
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I'm not saying, oh, go make errors.
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Errors are good for you.
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You have to fail in order to win.
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No, you have to fail in order to open up
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the possibility of plasticity,
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but you have to fail many times within the same session,
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and those failures will cue your attention
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to the appropriate sensory events.
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Now, sometimes we're working with a coach,
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and so this is a shout out to all the coaches.
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Thank you for doing what you do.
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However, there needs to be,
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at least what the scientific literature say,
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there needs to be a period of each training session
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whereby the athlete or the person of any kind
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can simply pay attention to their errors
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without their attention being cued to something else.
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A really well-trained coach will say,
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oh, you know, your elbow's swinging too high
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or you're not gripping the racket
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in the appropriate way, et cetera.
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They can see things that the practitioner can't see,
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and of course that's vitally important,
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but the practitioner also needs
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to use this error recognition signal.
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They need to basically focus on something,
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and the errors are going to tell them what to focus on.
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So put simply, there needs to be a period of time
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in which it's just repetition after repetition
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after repetition.
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I think many people, including coaches,
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are afraid that bad habits will get ingrained,
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and while indeed that's possible,
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it's very important that these errors occur
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in order to cue the attentional systems
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and to open the door for plasticity.
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So if I'm told, look, you know, I'm standing a little wide,
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I need to tighten up my stance a little bit, great,
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but then I need to generate many repetitions
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from that tightened stance, okay?
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So if I'm constantly being cued from the outside
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about what I'm doing incorrectly,
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that's not going to be as efficient, okay?
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So for some people, these learning sessions
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might be 10 minutes.
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For some people, it might be an hour.
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Whatever you can allocate, because your lifestyles will vary
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and whether or not you're a professional athlete,
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et cetera, will vary,
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you want to get the maximum number of repetitions in
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and you want to make errors.
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That's allowing for plasticity.
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So science points to the fact
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that there's a particular sequencing of learning sessions
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that will allow you to learn faster
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and to retain the skill learning,
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and it involves doing exactly as I just described,
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which is getting as many repetitions as you can
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in the learning session,
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paying attention to the errors that you make,
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and then the rewards that will be generated,
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again, these are neurochemical rewards,
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from the successful performance of a movement
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or the approximate successful performance.
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So maybe you get the golf swing better, but not perfect,
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but that's still going to be rewarded
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with this neurochemical mechanism.
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And then after the session,
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you need to do something very specific, which is nothing.
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That's right.
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There are beautiful data describing neurons
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in our hippocampus,
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this area of our brain involved in the consolidation
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of new memories.
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00:48:52.400
Those data point to the fact that in sleep,
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there's a replay of the sequence of neurons
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that were involved in certain behaviors the previous day,
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and sometimes the previous day before that.
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However, there are also data that show
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that after a skill learning session,
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any kind of motor movement,
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provided you're not bringing in
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a lot more additional new sensory stimuli,
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there's a replay of the motor sequence
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that you performed correctly,
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and there's an elimination of the motor sequences
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that you performed incorrectly,
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and they are run backward in time, okay?
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So to be very clear about this,
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if I were to learn a new skill or navigate a new city,
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or let's just stay with the motor skill,
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let's say the free throw or a golf swing or a tennis serve,
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dance move novice,
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so I'm still going to make a lot of errors,
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00:49:52.940
don't get it perfectly,
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but maybe I get a little bit better
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where I perform it correctly three times out of 1,000,
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and it sounds like something I might do,
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and there I'm probably being generous to myself.
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After I finished the training session,
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if I do nothing,
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I'm not focused on some additional learning,
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I'm not bringing a lot of sensory information in,
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if I just sit there and close my eyes
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for five to 10 minutes, even one minute,
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the brain starts to replay the motor sequence
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corresponding to the correct pattern of movement,
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00:50:28.120
but it plays that sequence backward.
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00:50:30.860
Now, why it plays it backward, we don't know.
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If I were to wait until sleep,
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or regardless of when I sleep later that night,
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the sequence will be replayed forwards
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in the proper sequence,
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immediately afterward, it's played backward
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for reasons that are still unclear,
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but the replay of that sequence backwards
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appears to be important
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00:50:56.280
for the consolidation of the skill learning.
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Now, this is important
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because many people are finishing their jujitsu class,
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or they're finishing their yoga class,
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or they're finishing their dance class,
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or they're finishing some skill learning,
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00:51:09.840
and then they're immediately devoting their attention
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to something else.
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00:51:14.600
You hear a lot about visualization,
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00:51:16.080
and we are going to talk about visualization,
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00:51:18.640
but in the kind of obsession
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00:51:20.720
with the idea that we can learn things
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00:51:22.160
just sitting there with our eyes closed
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without having to perform a movement,
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00:51:25.760
we've overlooked something perhaps even more important,
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00:51:29.460
or at least equally important,
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00:51:30.820
which is after skill learning,
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00:51:33.100
after putting effort into something,
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00:51:35.280
sitting quietly with the eyes closed
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for one to five to 10 minutes
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00:51:41.640
allows the brain to replay the sequence
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00:51:44.380
in a way that appears important
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00:51:46.440
for the more rapid consolidation
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of the motor sequence of the pattern
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and to accelerated learning.
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00:51:53.580
If you'd like to learn more about this,
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this is not work that I was involved in.
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I want to be very clear.
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00:51:58.960
There's an excellent paper that covers this and much more
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00:52:02.000
for those of you that really want to dive deep on this,
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and we will dive deeper in a moment.
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This is a review that was published in the journal Neuron,
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00:52:08.820
excellent journal.
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00:52:11.000
Many of the papers that I'm referring to
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00:52:12.860
were covered in this review,
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00:52:15.100
which is titled neuroplasticity
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00:52:16.920
sub-serving motor skill learning
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00:52:19.120
by Dayan, D-A-Y-A-N,
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00:52:21.960
I hope I'm not butchering the pronunciation,
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00:52:24.060
and Cohen by Leonard Cohen,
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00:52:25.880
but not the Leonard Cohen most of us are familiar with,
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00:52:29.940
the musician Leonard Cohen.
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00:52:32.460
Dayan and Cohen,
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00:52:34.100
neuroplasticity sub-serving motor skill learning,
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00:52:37.140
and this was published in 2011,
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00:52:42.140
but there have been a number of updates
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00:52:43.800
and the literature that I've described
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in other portions of today's episode
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come from the more recent literature,
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00:52:50.540
such as the more recent 2021 paper, okay?
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00:52:53.040
So you have this basic learning session
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and then a period of time afterwards
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00:52:57.160
in which the brain can rehearse what it just did.
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00:52:59.500
We hear so much about mental rehearsal,
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00:53:01.340
and we always think about mental rehearsal
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00:53:02.940
as the thing you do before you train or instead of training,
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00:53:06.720
but this is rehearsal that's done afterward
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00:53:08.940
where the brain is just automatically scripting
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00:53:11.380
through the sequence,
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00:53:12.260
and for some reason that's still not clear
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00:53:15.220
as to why this would be the case, it runs backward.
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00:53:18.780
Then in sleep, it runs forwards,
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00:53:21.540
and certainly, absolutely,
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sleep and quality sleep of the appropriate duration, et cetera
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00:53:26.940
is going to be important for learning of all kinds,
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00:53:28.900
including skill learning.
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00:53:29.900
We did an entire four episodes on sleep
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and how to get better at sleeping.
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00:53:34.020
Those are the episodes back in January,
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00:53:35.560
episodes essentially one, two, three, and four,
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00:53:38.260
and maybe even episode five, I don't recall,
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00:53:42.300
but you can go there to find out
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00:53:44.340
all about how to get better at sleeping.
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00:53:46.840
Now, there are other training sessions involved, right?
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00:53:50.140
I'm not going to learn the perfect golf swing
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00:53:51.760
or the tennis serve or how to dance in one session,
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00:53:56.360
and I doubt you will either.
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00:53:58.300
So the question is when to come back
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00:54:00.540
and what to do when you come back to the training session.
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00:54:03.120
Now, first of all,
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this principle of errors, cuing attention
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00:54:08.540
and opening the opportunity for plasticity,
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00:54:12.920
that's never going to change.
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00:54:14.400
That's going to be true for somebody who is hyper-skilled,
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00:54:17.220
who's even has mastery or even virtuosity
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00:54:21.540
in a given skill, right?
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00:54:23.820
Remember, when you're unskilled at something,
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uncertainty is very high.
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00:54:27.580
As you become more skilled, certainty goes up, right?
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00:54:30.640
Then eventually you achieve levels of mastery
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00:54:32.760
where certainty is very, very high about your ability
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to perform yours certainty and that of other people.
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00:54:38.820
And then there's this fourth category of virtuosity
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where somebody, maybe you,
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00:54:44.820
invites uncertainty back into the practice
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00:54:47.280
because only with that uncertainty
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can you express your full range of abilities,
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00:54:52.700
which you aren't even aware of
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00:54:54.020
until uncertainty comes into the picture, right?
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00:54:56.880
I happen to have the great privilege
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of being friends with Laird Hamilton,
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00:55:03.080
the big wave surfer, who's phenomenal.
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00:55:05.400
I don't surf.
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00:55:06.500
I certainly don't surf with Laird,
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00:55:08.240
but he and another guy that he surfs with,
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00:55:11.260
Luca Padua, these guys, they're virtuosos at surfing.
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00:55:16.240
They don't just want the wave that they can master.
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00:55:19.280
They want uncertainty.
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00:55:20.540
They're at the point in their practice
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where when uncertainty shows up,
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like a wave that's either so big
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or is moving in a particular way
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00:55:31.020
that it brings an element of uncertainty for them
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00:55:33.960
about what they're going to do,
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00:55:35.120
that they recognize that as the opportunity
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00:55:37.460
to perform better than they would otherwise, okay?
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00:55:39.940
So they're actually trying to eliminate uncertainty.
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At the beginning of learning any skill
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and as we approach from uncertain to skilled to mastery,
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we want to reduce uncertainty.
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00:55:49.380
And that's really what the nervous system is doing.
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It's trying to eliminate errors
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00:55:52.340
and hone in on the correct trajectories.
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00:55:55.000
If you perform a lot of repetitions
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and then you use a period immediately after,
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00:56:02.720
we don't really have a name for this.
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Maybe someone will come up with it
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and put it in the comment section if you're on YouTube,
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00:56:07.840
if you're watching this on YouTube,
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00:56:09.480
a name for this post-learning kind of idle time
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00:56:12.400
for the brain, the brain isn't idle at all.
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00:56:14.320
It's actually scripting all these things in reverse
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00:56:16.740
that allow for deeper learning and more quick learning.
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00:56:21.460
But if we fill that time with other things,
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if we are focused on our phones
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00:56:26.180
or we're focused on learning something else,
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00:56:27.880
we're focusing on our performance,
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00:56:30.580
that's not going to serve us well.
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00:56:32.240
It's at least it's not going to serve
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00:56:33.220
the skill learning well.
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00:56:34.080
So please, if you're interested in more rapid skill learning
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try introducing these sessions, they can be quite powerful.
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And then on subsequent sessions,
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presumably after a night's sleep
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or maybe you're doing two sessions a day,
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00:56:44.680
although two sessions a day is going to be a lot
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for most people, unless you're a professional
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or a high level athlete.
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00:56:51.080
The subsequent sessions are where you get to express
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00:56:56.760
the gains of the previous session, right?
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00:56:59.420
Where you get to perform well, presumably more often,
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00:57:03.140
even if it's just subtle,
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00:57:04.080
sometimes there'll be a decrease in performance,
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00:57:06.060
but most often you're going to perform better
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on subsequent and subsequent training sessions.
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00:57:12.320
And there is the opportunity to devote attention
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00:57:16.360
in very specific ways, right?
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00:57:18.900
Not just let the errors inform you
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00:57:22.120
where to place your attention,
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00:57:23.440
but rather to direct your perception
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00:57:27.560
to particular elements of the movement
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00:57:30.120
in order to accelerate learning further, okay?
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00:57:33.000
So to be very clear,
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00:57:34.960
cause I know many of you are interested
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00:57:36.680
in concrete protocols.
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00:57:38.760
It's not just that you would only let errors
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cue your attention on the first session.
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00:57:43.260
You might do that for one session or five sessions,
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it's going to depend.
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But once you're familiar with something
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and you're performing it well every once in a while,
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you're accomplishing it better every once in a while,
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then you can start to cue your attention
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in very deliberate ways.
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And the question therefore becomes
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what to cue your attention to.
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And the good news is it doesn't matter.
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There is a beautiful set of experiments
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that have been done looking at sequences of keys
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being played on a piano.
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This is work that was published just a couple of years ago.
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There are actually several papers now
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that are focused on this.
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One of them was published in 2018.
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This is from Claudia Lape and colleagues, L-A-P-P-E.
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She's done some really nice work,
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which talks about the influence of pitch feedback
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on learning of motor timing and sequencing.
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And this was done with piano,
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but it carries over to athletic performance as well.
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So I'm going to describe this study to you.
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But before I describe it,
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what is so interesting about this study
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that I want you to know about
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is that it turns out it doesn't matter so much
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what you pay attention to during the learning sequence,
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provided it's something related to the motor behavior
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that you're performing, right?
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That seems incredible, right?
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I'm not good at a tennis serve.
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So if I've done, you know,
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let's say a thousand repetitions of the tennis serve,
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maybe I got it right three to 10 times.
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Now I'm being even more generous with myself.
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And I do this post-training session
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where I let my brain idle and I get some good sleep
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and I come back and now I start generating errors again,
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presumably or hopefully fewer errors,
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but I decide I'm going to cue my attention
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to something very specific,
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like maybe how tightly I'm holding the racket,
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or maybe it's my stance,
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or maybe it's whether or not I rotate my right shoulder in
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as I hit the ball across the net, I'm making this up again.
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I don't play tennis.
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It turns out that as long as it's the same thing
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throughout the session, learning is accelerated.
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And I'll explain why this makes sense in a moment,
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but just to be really clear, you can, and one should,
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use your powers of attention to direct your attention
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to particular aspects of a motor movement.
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Once you're familiar with the general theme of the movement,
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but what you pay attention to exactly is not important.
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What's important is that you pay attention
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to one specific thing.
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So what Claudia Lappe and colleagues showed
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was that if people are trying to learn a sequence of keys
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on the piano, there are multiple forms of feedback.
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There are error signals.
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If, for instance, they hear a piece of music
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and then they're told to press the keys
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in a particular sequence and the noise that comes out,
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the sound that comes out of the piano
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does not sound like the song they just heard, right?
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So instead of, and here, forgive me,
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because I'm neither musical nor can I sing,
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but instead of, da, da, da, da, da, da,
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they hear that, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da,
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and then instead when they play,
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or if it were me, it would sound something like,
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da, da, da, da, da, da, it wouldn't sound right, okay?
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It wouldn't sound right because I likely got
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the sequence wrong or I was pressing too hard on the keys
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or too lightly on the keys, et cetera.
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What they showed was if they just instruct people
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about the correct sequence to press on the keys,
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it actually doesn't matter what sound comes back
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provided it's the correct sound or it's the same sound.
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All right, so here's the experiment.
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They had people press on these keys
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and it was a typical piano
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and it generated the particular sequence of sounds
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that would be generated by pressing the keys on the piano.
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Or they modified the keyboard, in this case, or piano,
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such that when people pressed on the keys,
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a random tone, different tones were played
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each time they pressed on the keys.
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So it sounded crazy, it sounded like noise,
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but the motor sequence was the same.
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Or they had a single tone
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that was played every time they pressed a key
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and the job or the task of the subject
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was just to press the keys in the proper sequence.
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So instead of da, da, da, da, da, da, da,
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it was just da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.
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Instead of da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da,
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it's da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.
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It's even hard for me to say an even tone,
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but you get the idea.
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So a singular tone, just think a doorbell being rung
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with each press of the key would be really annoying, okay?
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But it turns out that the rate to motor learning
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was the same whether or not they were getting feedback
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that was accurate to the keys of the piano
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or whether or not it was a constant tone.
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Performance was terrible
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and the rates of learning were terrible
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if they were getting random tones back.
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So what this means is that learning to play the piano
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at least at these early stages
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is really just about generating the motor commands.
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It's not about paying attention to the sound
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that's coming out of the piano.
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And this makes sense because when we are beginners,
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we are trying to focus our attention
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on the things that we can control.
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And if you think about this, if you conceptualize this,
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pressing the keys on the piano and paying attention
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to the sounds that are coming out are two things.
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So what this means is that as you get deeper
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and deeper into a practice,
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focusing purely on the motor execution can be beneficial.
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Now, this is going to be harder to do
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with open loop type things where you're getting feedback.
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I guess a good example of open loop
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would be the attempt at a back flip, right?
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If you get it wrong, you will immediately know.
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If you get it right, you'll immediately know.
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Please don't go out and try and do a back flip
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on the solid ground or even on a trampoline
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if you don't know what you're doing,
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because very likely you'll get it wrong
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and you'll get injured.
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But if it's something that is closed loop
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where you can repeat again and again and again and again,
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that is advantageous
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because you can perform many, many repetitions
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and you can start to focus or learn to focus your attention
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just on the pattern of movement.
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In other words, you can learn to play the piano
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just as fast or maybe even faster
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by just focusing on the sequence
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that you are moving your digits, your fingers,
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and not the feedback.
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Now, I'm sure there are music teachers out there
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and piano teachers that are screaming,
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no, you're going to ruin the practice
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that all of us have embedded in our minds
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and in our students, and I agree.
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At some point, you need to start including feedback
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about whether or not things sound correct.
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But one of the beauties of skill learning
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is that you can choose to parameterize it,
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meaning you can choose to just focus on the motor sequence
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or just focus on the sounds that are coming back
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and then integrate those.
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And so we hear a lot about chunking,
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about breaking things down into their component parts.
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But one of the biggest challenges for skill learning
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is knowing where to place your attention.
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So to dial out again,
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we're building a protocol across this episode.
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Early sessions, maybe it's the first one,
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maybe it's the first 10, maybe it's the first 100.
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It depends on how many repetitions you're packing in.
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But during those initial sessions,
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the key is to make many errors,
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to let the reward process govern the plasticity,
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let the errors open the plasticity,
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and then after the learning sessions,
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to let the brain go idle,
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at least for a short period of time,
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and of course, to maximize sleep.
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As you start incorporating more sessions,
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you start to gain some skill level,
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learning to harness and focus your attention
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on particular features of the movement,
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independent of the rewards and the feedback, right?
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01:05:28.880
So the reward is no longer in the tone
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coming from the piano,
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or whether or not you struck the target correctly,
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but simply the motor movement,
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focusing your, for instance, in a dart throw,
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on the action of your arm.
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That is embedding the plasticity
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in the motor pattern most deeply.
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That's what's been shown by the scientific literature.
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I'm sure there are coaches and teachers out there
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that will entirely disagree with me, and that's great.
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Please let me know what you prefer.
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Let me know where you think this is wrong.
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And it rarely happens,
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but let me know where you think this might be right as well.
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So we're breaking the learning process
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down into its component parts.
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As we get more and more skilled,
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meaning as we make fewer and fewer errors
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per a given session per unit time,
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that's when attention can start to migrate
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from one feature, such as the motor sequence,
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to another feature, which is perhaps one's stance,
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and another component of the sequence,
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which would be the result that's one getting
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on a trial-to-trial basis, right?
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So changing it up each time.
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So maybe I serve the tennis ball,
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and I'm focusing on where the ball lands,
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and then I'm focusing on the speed,
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then I'm focusing on my grip,
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then I'm focusing on my stance, from trial to trial.
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But until we've mastered the core motor movements,
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which is done session to session,
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that, at least according to the literature
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that I have access to here, seems to be suboptimal.
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So hopefully this is starting to make sense,
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which is that these connections
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between upper motor neurons, lower motor neurons,
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and central pattern generators,
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you can't attack them all at once.
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You can't try and change them all at once.
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And so what we're doing is we're breaking things down
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into their component parts.
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Some of you may be wondering about speed of movement.
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There are some data,
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meaning some decent papers out there,
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showing that ultra slow movements,
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performing a movement essentially in slow motion,
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can be beneficial for enhancing the rate of skill learning.
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However, at least from my read of the literature,
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it appears that ultra slow movements
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should be performed after some degree of proficiency
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has already been gained in that particular movement.
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Now, that's not the way I would have thought about it.
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I would have thought, well,
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if you're learning how to do a proper kick
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or a punch in martial arts or something,
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that ultra slow movements at first
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are going to be the way that one can best learn
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how to perform a movement.
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And then you just gradually increase the speed.
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And it turns out that's not the case.
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And I probably should have known that.
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And you should probably know that
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because it turns out that when you do ultra slow movements,
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two things aren't available to you.
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One is the proprioceptive feedback is not accurate
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because fast movements of limbs are very different
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than slow movements of limbs.
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So you don't get the opportunity
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to build in the proprioceptive feedback.
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But the other reason why it doesn't work
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is that it's too accurate.
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You don't generate errors.
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And so the data that I was able to find
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showed that very slow movements can be beneficial
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if one is already proficient in a practice,
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but very slow movements at the beginning
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don't allow you to learn more quickly
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because you never generate errors
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and therefore the brain doesn't, it's not open for change.
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And the window for plasticity is never swung open
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so to speak.
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So brings us back to this theme
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that errors allow for plasticity,
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correct performance of movements
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or semi-correct performance of movements cues
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the synapses in the brain areas
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and spinal circuits that need to change.
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And then those changes occur in the period
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immediately after skill learning and in sleep.
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So super slow movements can be beneficial
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once you already have some proficiency.
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So this might be standing in your living room
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and just in ultra slow motion performing your tennis serve,
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learning to or thinking about
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how you're adjusting your elbow and your arm
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and the trajectory exactly how you were taught
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by your tennis coach,
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but trying to learn it that way from the outset
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does not appear to be the best way to learn a skill.
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When should you start to introduce slow learning?
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Well, obviously talk to your coaches about this,
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but if you're doing this recreationally
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or you don't have a coach, I realize many of you don't,
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I don't have a coach for anything that I do.
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I'm going to just navigating it
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by using the scientific literature.
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It appears that once you're hitting success rates
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of about 25 or 30%,
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that's where the super slow movements
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can start to be beneficial.
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But if you're still performing things at a rate
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of five or 10% correct and the rest are errors,
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then the super slow movements
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are probably not going to benefit you that much.
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Also super slow movements are not really applicable
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to a lot of things.
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For instance, you could imagine throwing a dart
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super slow motion,
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but if you actually try and throw an actual dart,
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the dart's just going to fall to the floor, obviously.
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So there are a number of things like baseball bat swing,
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which you can practice in super slow motion,
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but if you try and do that with an actual baseball
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or softball or something like that,
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that's not going to give you any kind of feedback
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about how effective it was.
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So super slow movements or a decelerated movement
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has its place,
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but once you're already performing things reasonably well,
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like maybe 25 to 30% success rate.
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And I've tried this, I actually,
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I struggle with basketball for whatever reason
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and my free throw is terrible.
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So I've practiced free throws in super slow motion
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and I nail them every time.
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The problem is there's no ball.
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Some of you already have a fair degree of proficiency
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of skill in a given practice or sport or instrument.
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And if you're in this sort of advanced intermediate
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or advanced levels of proficiency for something,
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there is a practice that you can find interesting data for
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in the literature, which involves metronoming.
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So this you'll realize relates to generating repetitions
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and it relates to the tone experiment
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where it doesn't really matter what your attention
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is cued to as long as you are performing many, many reps
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of the motor sequence.
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You can use a metronome and obviously musicians do this,
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but athletes can do this too.
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You can use a metronome to set the cadence
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of your repetitions.
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Now for swimmers, there's actually a device
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I was able to find online.
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I forget what the brand name was
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and that's not what this is about,
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but that actually goes in the swim cap
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that can cue you to when you need to perform another stroke.
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And for runners, there are other metronome type devices
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that through headphones or through a tone in the room
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if you're running indoors or on a treadmill
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will cue you to when you basically
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you need to lift your heels.
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And if you do that, what athletes find
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is they can perform more repetitions,
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they can generate more output, you can increase speed.
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A number of really interesting things are being done
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with auditory metronoming and then I'm involved
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in a little bit of work now that hopefully
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I'll be able to report back to you
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about using stroboscopic metronoming.
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So actually changing the speed of the visual environment.
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These are fun experiments,
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basically changing one's perception
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of how fast they're moving through space
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by playing with a visual system,
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something for a future discussion.
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But you can start to use auditory metronoming
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for generating more movements per unit time
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and generating more errors and therefore more successes
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and more neuroplasticity.
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There are a number of different apps out there.
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I found several free apps
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where you can set in a metronome pace.
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So it might be tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.
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That's a little fast for most things
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but you can imagine if this were darts
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or this were golf swings that it might be tick, tick,
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tick, tick or something more like tick, tick.
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And every time the metronome goes, you swing.
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Every time the metronome goes, you throw a dart.
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There are actually some wild experiments out there.
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There's a world championship of cup stacking.
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There's a young lady who I saw could take all these cups
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spread out on a table and basically just stack them
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into the perfect pyramid in the least amount of times
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all the kids go wild.
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This is something I'd never thought to pursue
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and frankly never will pursue
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unless my life depends on it for some reason
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but it's really impressive.
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And if you look at the sequence
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because these have been recorded
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you can look this up on YouTube.
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What you'll find is that these expert cup stackers
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it's just all about error elimination
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but there too metronoming and auditory cues
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can actually cue them to pick up the cups faster
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than they would ordinarily and to learn to do that.
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You can do this for anything.
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I think cup stacking is probably not a skill
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most of you are interested in doing, but for any skill
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if you figure out at what rate you are performing
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repetitions per unit time
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and you want to increase that slightly, you set a metronome
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which is slightly faster than your current rate
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and you just start generating more repetitions.
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Now what's interesting about this and is cool
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is it relates back to the experiment from
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Lapé and colleagues which is
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your attention is now harnessed to the tone
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to the metronome
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not necessarily to what you're doing
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in terms of the motor movement.
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And so really you need a bit of proficiency.
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Again, this is for people who are intermediate
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or advanced, intermediate or advanced
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but what you're essentially doing is
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you're creating an outside pressure, a contingency
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so that you generate again, more errors.
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So it's all about the errors that you get.
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Now these aren't errors where all the cups tumble
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or you have to stop or you can't keep up.
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You have to set the pace just a little bit
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beyond what you currently can do.
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And when you do that, you're essentially
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forcing the nervous system to make errors
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and correct the errors inside of the session.
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I find this really interesting
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because what it means is again,
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you've got sensory perception
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what you're paying attention to, proprioception
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where your limbs are and the motor neurons
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in your upper, lower motor neurons
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and central pattern generators.
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And you can't pay attention to it.
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Well, they're my upper motor neurons,
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they're my lower motor neurons.
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Forget that, you're not going to do that.
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You can't pay attention to your proprioception too much.
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That would be the super slow motion
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would be the proprioception.
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But you have to harness your attention to something.
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And if you harness your attention
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to this outside contingency, this metronome
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that's firing off and saying, now, go, now, go, now, go.
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Not only can you increase the number of repetitions,
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errors and successes, but for some reason
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and we don't know why the regular cadence
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of the tone of the metronome
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and the fact that you are anchoring your movements
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to some external force, to some external pressure or cue
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seems to accelerate the plasticity
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and the changes and the acquisition of skills
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beyond what it would be
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if you just did the same number of repetitions
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without that outside pressure.
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We don't know exactly what the mechanism is.
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Presumably it's neurochemical.
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Like there's something about keeping up with a timer
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or with a pace that presumably, and I'm speculating here
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causes the release of particular chemicals.
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But I think it's really cool.
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Metronomes, they're totally inexpensive.
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At least the ones that you use outside of water
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are very inexpensive.
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You can find these free apps.
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You can use a musical metronome.
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So metronomes are a powerful tool as well.
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In particular for speed work.
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So for sprinting or swimming or running
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where the goal is to generate more strokes
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or more efficient strokes or more steps, et cetera.
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The rate of the metronome obviously
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is going to be very important.
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Sometimes you're trying to lengthen your stride.
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Sometimes you're trying to take fewer strokes
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but glide further in the pool, for instance.
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But the value of occasionally
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just increasing the number of repetitions,
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the number of strokes or steps, et cetera, per unit time
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is also that you're training the central pattern generators
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to operate at that higher speed.
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One of the sports that's kind of interesting to me
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is speed walking.
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It's not one I engage in or ever plan to engage in.
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But if you've ever tried to really speed walk,
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it's actually difficult to walk very, very fast
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without breaking into a run.
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All animals have these kind of crossover points
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where they go, where you go,
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I think with horses, it's like, what is it?
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They trot, then they gallop.
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I don't know what's the next thing.
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I don't know clearly.
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I don't know anything about horses
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except that they're beautiful and I like them very much.
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But they break into a different kind of stride.
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And that's because you shift over
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to different central pattern generators.
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So when you're walking or a horse is moving very slowly
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and then it breaks into a jog and then into a full sprint
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or I got to get gallop for the horse,
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you're actually engaging
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different central pattern generators.
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And those central pattern generators
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always have a range of speeds
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that they're happiest to function at.
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So with the metronoming for speed purposes,
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what you do is you can basically bring the activity
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of those central pattern generators
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into their upper upper range
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and maybe even extend their range.
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And there's a fascinating biology
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of how central pattern generators work together.
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There's coupling of central pattern generators, et cetera,
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in order to achieve maximal speeds and et cetera.
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It's a topic for kind of an advanced session.
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Costello loves this topic.
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He just barked and loves it so much he barked again.
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In any event, the metronome is a powerful tool,
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again, for more advanced practitioners
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or for advanced intermediate practitioners.
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But it's interesting because it brings back the point
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that what we put our attention to
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while we're skill learning is important
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to the extent that it's on one thing,
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at least for the moment or trial to trial,
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but that what we focus our attention on can be external.
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It can be internal.
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And ultimately the skill learning
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is where all that is brought together.
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So let's talk about where skill learning occurs
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in the nervous system.
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And then I'm going to give you a really,
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what I think is a really cool tool
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that can increase flexibility and range of motion
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based on this particular brain area.
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It's a tool that I used and when I first heard about,
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I did not believe would work.
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This is not a hack.
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This is actually anchored deeply in the biology
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of a particular brain region that we all have
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whose meaning is mini brain.
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And that mini brain that we all have
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is called your cerebellum.
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The cerebellum is called the mini brain
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because it's in the back of your brain.
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It looks like a little mini version
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of the rest of your brain.
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It's an absolutely incredible structure
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that's involved in movement.
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It also has a lot of non-movement associated functions.
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In brief, the cerebellum gets input from your senses,
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particularly your eyes and pays attention
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to where your eyes are in space, what you're looking at.
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It basically takes information about three aspects
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of your eyes and eye movements,
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which are occurring when your head goes like this,
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which is called pitch, okay?
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So this is pitch.
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For those of you that are listening,
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I'm just nodding up and down.
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Then there's yaw, which is like shaking your head no
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from side to side.
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And then there's roll, which is like sometimes
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if you see a primate, like a marmoset or something,
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they will roll their head when they look at you.
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Actually, the reason they do that
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is it helps generate depth perception.
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It's a kind of form of motion parallax
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if you're curious why they do that.
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It's not to look cute.
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They do it because when they do that,
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even if you're stationary and they're stationary,
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they get better depth perception
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as to how far away from them you are.
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So you've got pitch, yaw, and roll.
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And as you move your head and as you move your body
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and you move through space,
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the image on your retina moves, pitch, yaw, and roll,
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and some combination.
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That information is relayed to your cerebellum.
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So it's rich with visual information.
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There's also a map of your body surface
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and your movements and timing in the cerebellum.
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So it's an incredible structure
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that brings together timing of movements,
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which limbs are moving, and has proprioceptive information.
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It really is a mini brain.
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It's just the coolest little structure back there.
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And in humans, it's actually not that little.
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It's just an incredible structure.
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Now, all this information is integrated there,
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but what most people don't tell us
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is that a lot of learning of motor sequences,
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of skill learning that involved timing
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occurs in the cerebellum.
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Now, you can't really use that information
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except to know that after you learn something pretty well,
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it's handed off or kind of handled by your cerebellum.
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But there is something that you can do with your cerebellum
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to increase range of motion and flexibility.
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Much of our flexibility, believe it or not,
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is not because our tendons are of particular length
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or elasticity, although that plays some role.
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It's not because our muscles are short.
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I don't know what that would even mean.
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Some people have longer muscle bellies
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or shorter muscle bellies,
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but your muscles always essentially span the entire length
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of the bone or limb or close to it,
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along with your tendons.
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But it has to do with the neural innervation of muscle
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and the fact that when muscles are elongated,
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there's a point at which they won't stretch out
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any longer and the nerves fire and they shut down.
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You actually have inhibitory pathways
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that prevent you from contracting the muscles
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or from extending them, from stretching them out anymore.
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So you can do this right now.
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If you're driving, don't do it,
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because unless you have a self-driving car,
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you'll need to take your hands off the steering wheel.
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But because of the way that vision
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and your muscles are represented in your cerebellum,
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it turns out that your range of visual motion
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and your range of vision,
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literally how wide a field of view you take,
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impacts how far you can extend your limbs, okay?
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So we'll talk about this in a second,
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and about exactly how to do this and explore this.
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But as you move through space, as you walk forward,
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or you walk backward, or you tilt your head,
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or you learn a skill, or you just operate
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in the normal ways throughout your day,
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driving, biking, et cetera,
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your eyes are generating spontaneous movements
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to offset visual slip.
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In other words, you don't see the world as blurry
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even though you're moving,
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because your eyes are generating
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little compensatory eye movements to offset your motion.
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So if I spin, we could do this experiment.
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There's a fun experiment we do with medical students
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where you spin them around in a chair
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with their eyes closed, and then you stop,
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and you have them open their eyes,
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and their eyes are going like this,
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doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, nice stagmus.
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I don't suggest you do this experiment.
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When we were kids, we did a different experiment,
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which was to take a stick,
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and to look at the top of the stick,
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and to spin around on the lawn,
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looking at the top of the stick,
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then put it down on the ground and try and jump over it,
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and you end up like jumping to the side,
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you miss the thing entirely.
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The reason those two quote unquote experiments,
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which I hope you don't do, or force somebody else to do,
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the reason they work is because normally your eye movements
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and your balance and your limb movements are coordinated,
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but when you spin around looking up at the stick,
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what you're doing is you're fixating your eyes
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on one location while you're moving,
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and then when you stop,
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those two mechanisms are completely uncoupled,
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and it's like being thrown into outer space.
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Never been to outer space, but probably something like that,
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low gravity, zero gravity.
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If you spin around in your chair with your eyes closed,
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you're not giving the visual input that you're spinning,
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and then you open the eyes,
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and then the eyes only have what we call
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the vestibular signal,
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your eyes jolding back and forth, back and forth.
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Again, these aren't experiments you need to do
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because I just told you the result.
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However, if you want to extend your range of motion,
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you can do that by, these things always look goofy,
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but at this point, I'm just kind of used
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to doing these things.
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If I want to extend my range of movement,
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first I want to measure my range of motion.
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So I'm trying to, if you're listening,
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what I'm doing is I'm stretching out my arms
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from like a T on either side,
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and I'm trying to push them as far back as I can,
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which for me is, you know,
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feels like it's in line with my shoulders,
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and I can't get much further.
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I'm not really super flexible,
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nor am I particularly inflexible, at least physically.
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So what I would then do is stop.
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I would move my eyes to the far periphery, right?
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So I'm moving my eyes all the way to the left
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while keeping my head and body stationary.
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I'm trying to look over my left shoulder as far as I can,
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then off to the right.
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It's a little awkward to do this, then up, then down,
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but I'm mostly going to just focus on left and then right.
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Now, what that's doing is it's sending a signal
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to my cerebellum that my field of view
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is way over to there and way over to there.
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Remember, your visual attention has an aperture.
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It can be narrow or it can be broad.
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And I've talked about some of the benefits
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of taking a broad visual aperture
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in order to relax the nervous system.
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This is just moving my eyes, not my head,
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like I just did for a second, from side to side.
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Now I can retest, and actually,
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you get about a five to 15 degree increase
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in your range of motion.
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Now I'm doing this for you.
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You can say, well, you know, he gamed it
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because he knew the result that he was hoping for,
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but you can try this, okay?
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And you can do this for legs too, right?
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You can do this for any limb, essentially,
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and it's purely cerebellar.
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And it's because the proprioceptive visual
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and limb movement feedback converge
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in the ways that we control our muscle spindles
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and the way we control the muscle fibers and the tendons.
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And essentially, you can get bigger range of motion.
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So I actually will warm up before exercise
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or before skill learning by both doing movements
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for my body, but also moving my eyes from side to side
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in order to generate larger range of motion,
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if range of motion is something that I'm interested in.
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So that's a fun one that you can play with a little bit.
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And it's purely cerebellar.
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Some other time we'll get back into a cerebellar function.
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There's all sorts of just incredible stuff
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that you can do with cerebellum.
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I talked in an earlier episode on neuroplasticity
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about how you can disrupt your vestibular world.
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In other words, by getting into modes of acceleration,
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moving through space where you're tilted in certain ways,
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it can open up the windows for plasticity
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and yet other ways.
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So you can check that out.
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It's one of the earlier episodes on neuroplasticity
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and everything's timestamped.
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But meanwhile, if you want to expand your range of motion
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before doing skill learning or afterward, this is a fun one.
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It's also kind of neat
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because I have this kind of aversion to stretching work.
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It never seems like something I want to do.
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And so I always put it off.
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So if I start with the visual practice
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of expanding my field of view off to one side
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or the other side or up or down,
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then what I find is I'm naturally more flexible.
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I'm not naturally more flexible.
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What's happened is I've expanded my range of motion.
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Let's talk about visualization and mental rehearsal.
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I've been asked about this a lot
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and I think it relates back
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to that kind of a matrix Hollywood idea
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that we can just be embedded with a skill.
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Although in this case, in fairness,
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visualization involves some work.
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And I've talked about this on an earlier episode
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that some people find it very hard
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to mentally visualize things.
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And some people find it very easy.
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There was great work that was done in the 1960s
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by Roger Shepard at Stanford and by others,
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looking at people's ability
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to rotate three-dimensional objects in their mind.
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And some people are really good at this
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and some people are less good at this
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and one can get better at it by repeating it.
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But the question we're going to deal with today is,
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does it help?
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Does it let you learn things faster?
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And indeed the answer appears to be yes, it can.
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However, despite what you've heard, it is not as good.
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It is not a total replacement
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for physical performance itself, okay?
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So I'm going to be really concrete about this.
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I hear all the time that just imagining contracting a muscle
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can lead to the same gains
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as actually contracting that muscle.
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01:29:48.460
Just imagining a skill can lead
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to the same increases in performance
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as actually executing that skill.
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And that's simply not the case.
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However, it can supplement or support physical training
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and skill learning in ways that are quite powerful.
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One of the more interesting studies on this
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was from Ranganathan et al.,
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forgive me for the pronunciation.
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This was a slightly older paper, 2004,
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but nonetheless was one that I thought
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had particularly impressive results
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and included all the appropriate controls, et cetera.
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And what they did is they looked at 30 subjects
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and they divide them into different groups.
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They had one group perform essentially finger flexion.
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So it was actually just sort of the,
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imagine if you're just listening to this,
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the come here finger movement.
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They also had elbow flexion,
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so it's our bicep curl type movement.
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And they either had subjects do
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a actual physical movement against resistance
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or to imagine moving their finger
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or their wrist towards the shoulder,
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meaning at the bending at the elbow,
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towards actual resistance.
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Just to make a long story short,
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what they found was that there were increases
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in this finger adduction strength,
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abduction, excuse me, strength of about 35%.
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And the elbow flexion strength by about 13.5%,
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which are pretty impressive considering
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that it was just done mentally.
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So they had people imagine moving against a weight,
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a very heavy weight,
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or had imagined people moving their wrist
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towards their shoulder against a very heavy weight.
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But again, they weren't doing it.
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They were just imagining it.
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Other experiments looked at the brain
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and what was happening in the brain during this time.
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So we'll talk about that in a moment.
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But essentially what they found were improvements
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in strength of anywhere from 13.5 to 35%.
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However, the actual physical training group,
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the groups that actually moved their wrist
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or move their finger against an actual physical weight
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had improvements of about 53%.
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So this repeats over and over throughout the literature.
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Mental rehearsal can cause increases in strength.
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It can create increases in skill acquisition and learning,
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but they are never as great if done alone
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as compared to the actual physical execution
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of those movements or the physical movement
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of those weights, which shouldn't come as so surprising.
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However, if we step back and we say, well,
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what is the source of this improvement?
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You might not care what the source is
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because I could tell you it's one brain area
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01:32:40.760
or another brain area, what difference would it make?
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But again, if you can understand mechanism a little bit,
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you're in a position to create newer
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and even better protocols.
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What mental rehearsal appears to do is engage the activity
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of those upper motor neurons that we talked about
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way back at the beginning of the episode.
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Remember, you have upper motor neurons
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that control deliberate action.
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You've got lower motor neurons that actually connect
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to the muscles and move those muscles
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01:33:05.400
and you have central pattern generators.
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Mental rehearsal, closing one's eyes typically
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and thinking about a particular sequence of movement
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and visualizing it in one's quote unquote mind's eye
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creates activation of the upper motor neurons
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that's very similar if not the same as the actual movement.
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And that makes sense because the upper motor neurons
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are all about the command for movement.
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They are not the ones that actually execute the movement.
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Okay?
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Remember, upper motor neurons are the ones
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that generate the command for movement,
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not the actual movement.
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01:33:38.960
The ones that generate the actual movement
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are the lower motor neurons
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and the central pattern generators.
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01:33:43.920
So visualization is a powerful tool.
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01:33:46.520
How can you use visualization?
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01:33:48.640
Well, in this study, they had people perform this
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five days a week.
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I believe that it was 15, yes, it was 15 minutes per day,
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five days a week for 12 weeks.
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So that's a lot of mental rehearsal.
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You know, it's not a ton of time each day,
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15 minutes per day, but sitting down,
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closing your eyes and imagining going through
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a particular skill practice or moving a weight.
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01:34:15.600
Maybe it's playing keys on a piano,
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if that's your thing, or strings on a guitar.
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01:34:21.480
For 15 minutes a day, five days per week for 12 weeks
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is considerable.
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01:34:25.560
I think most people, given the fact that the actual practice,
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the physical practice is going to lead to larger
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improvements, greater improvements than would,
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the mental training would opt
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for the actual physical training.
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01:34:40.000
But of course, if you're on a plane
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and you don't have access to your guitar
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01:34:43.480
and you're certainly not going to be sprinting
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up and down the aisle,
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01:34:45.980
or you are very serious about your craft
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and you want to accelerate performance of your craft
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01:34:52.300
or strength increases or something of that sort,
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01:34:54.720
then augmenting or adding in the visualization training
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01:34:58.680
very likely will compound the effects
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of the actual physical training.
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01:35:03.320
There are not a lot of studies looking at how visualization
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on top of pure physical training
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01:35:10.320
can increase the rates of learning
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01:35:13.540
and consolidation of learning, et cetera.
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01:35:16.160
It's actually a hard study to do
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01:35:17.600
because it's hard to control for,
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01:35:18.860
because what would you do in its place?
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You would probably add actual physical training
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01:35:23.480
and then that's always going to lead to greater effects.
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01:35:26.480
So the point is if you want to use visualization training,
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01:35:30.280
great, but forget the idea
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01:35:32.760
that visualization training is as good
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01:35:36.020
as the actual behavior.
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01:35:37.720
You hear this all the time.
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01:35:38.720
People say, do you know that if you imagine an experience
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01:35:41.240
to your brain and to your body,
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01:35:42.720
it's exactly the same as the actual experience?
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01:35:45.040
Absolutely not.
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01:35:46.080
This is not the way the nervous system works.
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01:35:47.660
I'm sorry, I don't mean to burst anybody's bubble,
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but your bubble is made of myths.
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01:35:52.420
And the fact of the matter is that the brain,
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01:35:56.360
when it executes movement,
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01:35:58.560
is generating proprioceptive feedback.
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01:36:01.120
And that proprioceptive feedback is critically involved
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01:36:04.420
in generating our sense of the experience
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01:36:06.760
and in things like learning.
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01:36:08.640
So I don't say this because I don't like the idea
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that visualization couldn't work.
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01:36:14.200
In fact, visualization does work,
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01:36:16.080
but it doesn't work as well.
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01:36:18.000
It doesn't create the same milieu,
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01:36:20.560
the same chemical milieu,
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01:36:21.680
the same environment as actual physically engaging
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in the behavior, the skill, the resistance training,
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01:36:29.080
et cetera.
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01:36:29.920
And I'd be willing to wager that the same is true
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01:36:32.480
for experiences of all kinds.
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01:36:35.200
You know, PTSD is this incredibly unfortunate circumstance
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01:36:40.000
in which there's a replay often of the traumatic event
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01:36:43.640
that feels very real,
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01:36:45.480
but that's not to say that the replay itself
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01:36:47.600
is the same as the actual event.
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01:36:50.000
And of course, PTSD needs to be dealt with
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01:36:53.120
with the utmost level of seriousness.
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01:36:55.420
It should be treated.
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01:36:57.000
In fact, my lab works on these sorts of things,
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01:36:59.160
but my point about visualization and imagining something
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not being the same as the actual experience
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01:37:06.360
is grounded in this idea of proprioception
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01:37:08.960
and the fact that feedback to the cerebellum,
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01:37:11.040
the cerebellum talking to other areas of the brain
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01:37:12.800
are critically involved in communicating
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01:37:14.920
to the rest of our nervous system
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01:37:16.380
that not just that we believe something is happening,
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01:37:18.840
but something is actually happening.
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01:37:20.500
And in the case of muscle loads,
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01:37:22.280
muscles actually feeling tension,
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01:37:24.960
the actual feeling of tension in the muscle,
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01:37:28.460
the contracting of the muscle under that tension
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01:37:30.880
is part of the important adaptation process.
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01:37:34.360
In a future episode, we'll talk about hypertrophy
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01:37:36.460
and how that works at the level of upper motor neurons,
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01:37:38.600
lower motor neurons, and muscle itself.
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01:37:41.000
But for now, just know that visualization can work.
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It doesn't work as well as real physical training
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01:37:46.060
and practice, but these effects of, you know,
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35% or 13.5% increases are pretty considerable.
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01:37:54.000
They're just not as great as the 53% increases
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01:37:56.920
that come from actual physical training.
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01:37:58.880
For those of you that are interested
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01:38:00.480
in some of the skill learning
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01:38:02.400
that more relates to musical training,
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01:38:04.400
but also how cadence and metronoming and tones, et cetera,
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01:38:08.780
can support physical learning,
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01:38:11.560
if you're interested in that, if you're aficionados,
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01:38:14.680
there is a wonderful review
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01:38:16.660
also published in the journal Neuron,
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01:38:19.160
again, excellent journal, by Herholtz and Zatorre,
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01:38:22.480
that's H-E-R-H-O-L-Z,
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01:38:25.400
and Zatorre, Z-A-T-O-R-R-E,
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01:38:29.880
that really describes in detail
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01:38:33.520
how musical training can impact
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01:38:36.280
all sorts of different things and how cadence training,
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01:38:40.320
whether or not with tones or auditory feedback
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01:38:43.560
and things of that sort,
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01:38:44.480
carries over to not just instrumental music training,
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01:38:48.680
but also physical skill learning of various kinds.
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01:38:51.400
So if you want to do the deep dive, that would be the place.
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01:38:53.720
You can find it easily online.
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01:38:55.000
It's available as a complete article,
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01:38:56.960
free of charge, et cetera.
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01:38:58.740
Many of you are probably asking,
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what can I take in order to accelerate skill learning?
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01:39:03.840
Well, the conditions are going to vary,
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01:39:06.200
but motivation is key.
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01:39:07.760
You have to show up to the training session
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motivated enough to focus your attention
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01:39:13.380
and to perform a lot of repetitions in the training sequence.
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01:39:17.200
That's just a prerequisite, right?
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01:39:19.220
There's no pill that's going to allow you
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01:39:20.480
to do fewer repetitions and extract more learning
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01:39:23.280
out of fewer repetitions.
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01:39:24.440
It's actually more a question of,
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01:39:26.440
what are the conditions that you can create for yourself
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01:39:29.760
such that you can generate more repetitions per unit time?
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01:39:32.580
I think that's the right way to think about it.
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01:39:34.200
What are the conditions that you can create for yourself
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01:39:36.960
in your mind and in your body
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01:39:38.160
that are going to allow you to focus?
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01:39:40.560
And I've talked about focus and plasticity and motivation
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in previous episodes.
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Please see those episodes if you have questions about that.
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01:39:47.320
I detail a lot of tools and the underlying science.
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01:39:50.200
So for some people, it might be drinking a cup or two
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01:39:52.400
of coffee and getting hydrated before the training session.
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01:39:54.880
For some of you, it might be avoiding coffee
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01:39:56.760
because it makes you too jittery
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01:39:57.880
and your attention jumps all over the place.
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01:39:59.560
It's going to vary tremendously.
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01:40:01.160
There's no real, there is no magic pill
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that's going to allow you to get more out of less.
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01:40:06.220
That's just not going to happen.
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01:40:07.680
It's simply not going to happen.
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01:40:09.120
You're not going to get more learning
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01:40:10.540
out of fewer repetitions or less time.
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01:40:12.920
However, there are a few compounds
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that I think are worth mentioning
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01:40:18.920
because of their ability to improve
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the actual physical performance,
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01:40:22.600
the actual execution of certain types of movements.
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And some of these have also been shown
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to improve cognitive function,
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especially in older populations.
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So I'd be remiss if I didn't at least mention them.
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I'm only going to mention one today, in fact.
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The one that's particularly interesting
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and for which there really are a lot of data is alpha-GPC.
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And I'm going to attempt to pronounce
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what alpha-GPC actually is.
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It's alpha-glycerophosphocoline, right?
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Alpha-GPC, alpha-glycerophosphocoline.
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See, if I keep doing it over and over repetitions,
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alpha-glycerophosphocoline.
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There, I made an error.
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Okay, so the point is that alpha-GPC,
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which is at least in the United States
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is sold over the counter,
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typically is taken in dosages of about 300 to 600 milligrams.
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That's a single dose or have been shown
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to do a number of things
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that for some of you might be beneficial.
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One is to enhance power output.
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So if you're engaging in something like shot put throwing
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or resistance training or sprinting
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or something where you have to generate a lot of power,
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maybe you're doing rock climbing,
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but you're working on a particular aspect
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of your rock climbing that involves generating
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a lot of force, a lot of power.
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Well, then in theory, alpha-GPC could be beneficial to you.
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For the cognitive effects, the dosages are much higher,
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up to 1200 milligrams daily divided into three doses
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of 400 milligrams is what the studies
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that I was able to find show or used.
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The effects on cognitive decline
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are described as notable.
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Notable meaning several studies showed a significant
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but modest effect in offsetting cognitive decline,
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in particular in older populations and some populations
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even with some reported neurodegeneration.
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Power output was notable.
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How notable?
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What does that mean, notable?
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A study noted a 14% increase in power output.
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That's pretty substantial, 14% if you think about it,
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but it wasn't like a doubling or something of that sort.
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Believe it or not, the symptoms of Alzheimer's
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have been shown at least among the nutraceuticals
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of which alpha-GPC is to significantly improve cognition
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in people with Alzheimer's.
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Now, this episode isn't about cognitive decline
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and longevity, we will talk about that,
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but this is a so-called another effect of alpha-GPC.
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Fat oxidation is increased by alpha-GPC,
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growth hormone release is promoted by alpha-GPC,
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although to a small degree.
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So as you can see, things like alpha-GPC in particular,
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when they are combined with low levels of caffeine
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can have these effects of improving power output,
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can improve growth hormone release,
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can improve fat oxidation.
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All these things in theory can support skill learning,
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but what they're really doing
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is they're adjusting the foundation
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upon which you are going to execute
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these many, many repetitions, okay?
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The same thing would be said for caffeine itself.
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If that's something that motivates you
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and gets you out of a chair
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to actually do the physical training,
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then that's something that can perhaps improve
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or enhance the rate of skill learning
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and how well you retain those skills.
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Now, on a previous episode, I talked about,
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and this was the episode on epinephrine, on adrenaline,
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I talked about how for mental, for cognitive learning,
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it makes sense to spike epinephrine,
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to bump epinephrine levels up,
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adrenaline levels up after cognitive learning.
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For physical learning, it appears to be the opposite,
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that if caffeine is in your practice
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or if you decide to try alpha-GPC,
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that you would want to do that before the training,
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take it before the training, use it,
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its effect should extend into the training,
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presumably throughout, and then afterward,
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if you're thinking about following
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some of the protocols that we discussed today,
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that you would use some sort of idle time
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where the brain can replay these motor sequences in reverse,
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and then, of course, you want to do things
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that optimize your sleep.
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A lot of the questions I get
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are about how different protocols
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and things that I described
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start to collide with one another.
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So let's say, for instance, you go to bed at 1030
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and you're going to do your skill training at 930,
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well, taking a lot of caffeine then
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is not going to be a good idea
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because it's going to compromise your sleep.
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So I'm not here to design the perfect schedule for you
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because everyone's situations vary.
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So the things to optimize are repetitions, failures,
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more repetitions, more failures,
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at the offset of training,
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having some idle time that could be straight into sleep,
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or it could be simply letting the brain just go idle
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for five to 10 minutes,
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I mean, not focusing on anything,
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not scrolling social media, not emailing,
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ideally not even talking to somebody,
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just lying down or sitting quietly with your eyes closed,
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letting those motor sequences replay.
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Then we talked about how one can come back
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for additional training sessions,
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use things like metronoming,
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where you're cuing your attention to some external cue,
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some stimulus, in this case, an auditory stimulus,
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most likely, and trying to generate
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more repetitions per unit time.
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So again, it's repetitions and errors, that's key.
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And then we also talked about some things that you can do
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involving cerebellar neurophysiology
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to extend range of motion,
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if that's what's limiting for you,
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or to use visualization to augment the practice,
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or let's say your particular skill involves nice weather
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and it's raining or snowing outside
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and you can't get outside a thunderstorm,
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then that's where visualization training
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might be a good replacement under those conditions,
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or in most cases, it's going to be the kind of thing
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that you're going to want to do
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in addition to the actual physical skill
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or strength training session done,
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at least in the study that we described,
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for 15 minutes a day, five days a week,
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over a period of 10 to 12 weeks or so.
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So hopefully that makes it clear.
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Today, we've covered a lot of mechanism.
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We talked so much about the different motor pathways,
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central pattern generators.
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So you now are armed with a lot of information
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about how you generate movement.
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And I like to think that you're also armed
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with a lot of information about how to design protocols
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that are optimized for you,
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or if you're a coach, for your trainees,
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in order to optimize their learning of skills
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of various kinds.
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Today, we focused almost entirely on motor skills,
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things like musical skills or physical skills.
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These have some overlap.
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They're partially overlapping with neuroplasticity
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for learning things like languages or math or engineering
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or neuroscience, for that matter.
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Before we depart, I just want to make sure
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that I return to a concept, which is the ultradian cycle.
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Ultradian cycles are these 90-minute cycles
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that we go through throughout sleep and wakefulness
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that are optimal for learning and attention
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in the waking state.
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They are the stages of sleep
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in which we have either predominantly
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slow-wave sleep or REM sleep.
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Some of you who have been following this podcast
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for a while might be asking,
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well, should a physical practice be 90 minutes?
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That's going to depend because with physical practices,
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oftentimes, for instance, with strength training,
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that might be too long.
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You're not going to be able to generate enough force output
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for it to be worthwhile.
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For golfing, I don't know, I've never played golf,
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although my friends that play golf,
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they disappear under the golf course for many hours.
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So I know there's a lot of walking and driving
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and other stuff.
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I even hear that somebody carries your stuff around for you.
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Sometimes, not always, but it's going to differ.
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A four-hour golf game,
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you're probably not swinging the golf club for four hours.
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So it's going to depend.
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I would say that the ultradian cycle
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is not necessarily a good constraint for skill learning
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in most cases.
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And I should say that for those of you
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that are short on time or have limited amounts of time,
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10 minutes of maximum repetitions, maximum focus,
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skill learning work is going to be very beneficial.
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Whereas two hours of kind of haphazard,
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not really focused work,
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or where you're not generating very many repetitions
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because you're doing a few repetitions
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and you're texting on your phone
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or paying attention to something else,
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that's not going to be beneficial.
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It's really about the density of training
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inside of a session.
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So I think you should let the,
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work toward maximal or near maximal density of repetitions
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and failures, provided they're failures
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you can perform safely.
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In order to accelerate skill learning
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and don't let some arbitrary,
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or in this case the ultradian constraint
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prevent you from engaging in that practice.
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In other words, get the work in,
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get as much work done as you can per unit time.
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And based on the science,
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based on things that I've seen,
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based on things that I'm now involved in
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with various communities,
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you will see the skill improve vastly at various stages.
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Sometimes it's a little bit stutter start.
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It's not always a linear improvement,
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but you will see incredible improvement in skill.
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