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How to Control Your Metabolism by Thyroid & Growth Hormone | Huberman Lab Podcast #17



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Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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where we discuss science and science-based tools
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for everyday life.
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I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology
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and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine.
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This podcast is separate from my teaching
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and research roles at Stanford.
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It is, however, part of my desire and effort
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This month, we've been talking all about hormones,
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which are these absolutely incredible chemicals
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in our brain and body.
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They impact our entire lifespan.
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So from the time that we are in the womb,
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they are controlling the development
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of our brain and our bodies.
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After we are born, they're still controlling
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the development of our brain and bodies.
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And I did say development
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and that's because contrary to what most people think,
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development lasts the entire lifespan.
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From the time you're conceived until the time you die,
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you are developing, you are changing,
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and hormones are constantly updating and changing
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the different functions of your body.
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They have two major kinds of effects.
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One are immediate effects.
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So they can actually bind to
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or kind of park in parking spots on cells
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and impact all sorts of things
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like the growth of cells, et cetera.
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They also can control gene expression.
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This is the way that hormones during puberty
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control body hair growth and breast development
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and growth of muscles and limbs and height
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and all sorts of things.
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They are incredible.
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We've talked about testosterone and estrogen.
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We talked about insulin and glucagon
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and some of the other things.
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Today, we are going to talk about metabolism,
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mainly going to talk about thyroid hormone
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and growth hormone and some other related pathways.
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I'm going to explain to you the logic
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of how thyroid hormone and growth hormone work.
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It will become obvious why I've paired
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thyroid and growth hormone together in the same episode.
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And I will of course talk about tools that you can use
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to elevate or reduce thyroid hormone.
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There are cases where people
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want to reduce thyroid hormone.
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I will talk about tools that you can use
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to elevate growth hormone.
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There are rare cases where people
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want to reduce growth hormone.
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Most people are interested in increasing growth hormone.
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So today is going to be rich with information,
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rich with actionable tools.
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And as always, the idea is to spell out
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an organizational logic
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so you can come away from this episode.
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And in fact, the entire month on hormones,
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really understanding at some level
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what these things we call hormones are and how they work.
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And that's really to arm you
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to encounter information going forward,
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whether or not it comes from me or from somebody else,
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a book or a course, someplace else online,
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to make sense of how to work with these incredible chemicals
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we call hormones.
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Before we begin to talk about thyroid and growth hormone
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and how our metabolism works and how to control metabolism,
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I want to answer a few questions
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that I received from you, from the audience.
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Every once in a while,
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someone will send me a quite earnest question
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about something they saw on the internet.
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And one of the things I've heard about quite a bit
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in the last couple of weeks
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is we've been talking about hormones and food intake
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and how those interact,
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is this question of are certain foods
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particularly good for certain organs of the body
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and can that be predicted on the basis
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of the shape of those foods?
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So, first of all,
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I want to acknowledge the question as a valid one
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because I see this every once in a while out there,
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people will say,
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well, walnuts are in the shape of the brain
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and therefore they are good for your brain
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or a particular fruit like the beet
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often looks like a heart and it's good for your heart.
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And I certainly invite questions of all kinds
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provided they are sincere questions.
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However, I am not aware of any science whatsoever
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supporting the idea that the shape of a given food
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or object for that matter
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is relevant to its functional role in the body
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in reference to biology.
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Now, beets contain something
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that we're going to talk about today.
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They contain a substance called arginine,
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which actually can control the dilation of blood vessels
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and arteries.
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So it has some relationship to heart and heart health.
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Walnuts contain various fatty acids that maybe,
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I want to underscore maybe,
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beneficial for certain aspects of brain health,
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but there's no evidence whatsoever
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that the shape of the food itself is relevant.
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And I think what's happened is,
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is that people have gone out there
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and found foods that contain certain substances
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like carrots and vitamin A
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or walnuts and particular fatty acids
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or beets and arginine,
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and they've selected the foods
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that happen to be in the shape of the thing,
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the organ that the particular substance
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like vitamin A or fatty acids and so forth
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might benefit or support.
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But of course, there are many, many other sources
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of these nutrients that don't come from walnuts
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or from beets or from carrots.
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And so I guess the short way to put it
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is that the idea that the shape of some food
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is an indication of whether or not that food
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would be healthy for a particular organ in the body
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is absolutely unfounded.
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I don't know of any evidence for it.
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And I'm not out to quash anybody's great love
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of these foods.
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I enjoy all the foods I just described,
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but the shape of things in the physical universe
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bears very little, if any, relevance to the nutrients
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that it contains and therefore the organs that it supports.
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So thank you for your question.
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But if you see that out there,
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I don't even think you need to tell the person
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who's putting that information out into the world.
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I would just back away slowly.
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One other thing before we move into today's material.
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Last episode, I talked about the problems with emulsifiers
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in highly processed foods
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and the way that they can strip
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the mucosal lining of the gut
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and they can limit the signaling of hormones like CCK
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that can signal to the brain satiety,
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the signal to stop eating.
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And then we got into a discussion
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about artificial sweeteners.
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And I threw out Stevia as an artificial sweetener
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and several people reached out to correct me
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that Stevia is not an artificial sweetener.
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It is a non-caloric sweetener and you are correct.
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I lumped artificial and non-caloric sweeteners together.
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And thanks to many of you that also sent me some references,
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it does not appear that Stevia
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can negatively impact the gut microbiome.
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It does seem unique among non-caloric sweeteners.
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There are probably others out there.
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The other thing that we discussed
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is how Stevia can lead to slight increases in blood glucose
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but can also improve insulin management just slightly,
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probably cancels to zero
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in terms of its impact on blood glucose
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provided it's not at concentrations
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that are super, super sweet.
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Ingestion of anything that's very sweet,
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whether or not it contains calories or not,
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artificial or not, will create an insulin response.
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In fact, just walking past a bakery
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and smelling delicious baked goods
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can increase your insulin secretion.
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And so I just want to point that out.
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Thank you for the information
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and the references that you found.
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Please send additional ones if you do find them.
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And I appreciate that you allow me to make corrections.
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Every once in a while I misspeak here
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and the opportunity to make corrections
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keeps us all on the same page.
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And please do keep any feedback
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that you have about particular things
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I cover here coming my way.
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There is so much interest in metabolism.
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We hear about having a high or a low metabolism.
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There are some people out there
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who would like to reduce their metabolism.
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They simply can't eat enough to maintain their weight.
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Most people, however, struggle with the opposite issue.
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They struggle to maintain a healthy weight
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and or their metabolism is too low.
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Now, there are a variety of reasons
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why metabolism can be low.
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Today, we are going to talk about two hormones,
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thyroid hormone and its related pathways
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and growth hormone and its related pathways,
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which arguably are the two hormones
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and two systems in the body that are most significant
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for setting your overall level of metabolism.
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Before we dive into those,
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I just want to cover a little bit of what metabolism is.
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And I want to talk about which organs in your body
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use the most energy.
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So metabolism is the consumption of energy,
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not necessarily eating,
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but it's the use of energy in the cells of the body
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for growth of tissues, for repair of tissues,
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and also just for day-to-day maintenance of function.
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A good example of maintenance of function
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would be your brain.
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Most of your metabolic needs,
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your so-called basal or resting metabolic needs
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are for your brain, for thinking.
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If you were to just sit in a bed all day
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and do nothing but think,
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that consumes about 75% of your metabolic needs.
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Now, there's also moving around.
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If you have a job that requires a lot of heavy labor
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or lifting things, or you're a new parent
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and you're carrying kids around
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and you're going up and down the stairs
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or back and forth to the refrigerator for formula, et cetera,
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well, then you're burning more energy,
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burning more calories.
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But even if you are very physically active,
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unless you're an ultra marathoner or a marathoner,
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chances are that 75% of your metabolic needs
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are coming just from your brain.
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And that's because neurons consume a lot of energy.
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Neurons, of course, are just the nerve cells of your brain.
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So these two hormones, thyroid hormone and growth hormone,
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we think of as related to metabolism of things in the body,
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keeping body fat low and keeping muscles strong
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and tendons strong and repairing themselves, et cetera.
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But they are also key for brain function,
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for the ability to maintain cognitive function
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throughout the lifespan.
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So the big theme I'd like to introduce
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is that metabolism isn't just about losing weight,
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but having a high metabolism provided it's not too high
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is great.
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It means that you will have more lean tissue,
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more bone and muscle and less adipose tissue, fat.
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And we know that that's healthy.
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How much fat and how much muscle?
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Well, that varies and the numbers on this
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are always shifting.
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But in general, muscle and its related tissues
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burns more energy than does adipose tissue or fat.
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And the water in your body doesn't consume any energy.
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So metabolism can be increased simply
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by adding muscle to your body and reducing fat
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or adjusting the ratio of the two.
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But regardless, even if you're not interested
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in changing body composition,
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these two hormones, thyroid hormone and growth hormone
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are super important for metabolism of all kinds,
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including tissue repair after injury,
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including maintaining cognitive function and wellbeing
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and the ability to think clearly as you age,
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offsetting dementia and so forth.
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So the big theme here really includes the previous episodes.
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You don't have to have seen those episodes,
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but for the last three episodes and today as well,
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we've been talking about hormones,
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these substances that are released from one location
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in the body that go and act other locations in the body.
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I'm going to tell you how that works
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for thyroid and growth hormone.
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But now that you've heard about testosterone and estrogen
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and you're going to hear about thyroid and growth hormone,
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I want you to realize that there's a repeating logic.
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First of all, there are neurons in your brain
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in an area called the hypothalamus,
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which it just means it's below the thalamus, hypo.
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It sits at the base of your brain in the front,
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it's part of the forebrain.
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So it's more or less above the roof of your mouth,
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maybe about a centimeter or so,
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and then about a centimeter forward in most people.
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And neurons in the hypothalamus release hormones
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that are called releasing hormones.
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So we've talked in previous episodes about, for instance,
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gonadotropin-releasing hormone.
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So those are little neurons that then signal
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another brain area called the pituitary
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to release other hormones.
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Today, we're going to see this again.
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In the brain, you have neurons
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that release thyrotropin or thyroid-releasing hormone.
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You also have growth hormone-releasing hormone.
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So anytime you hear releasing,
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chances are those are neurons that are in your brain
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and they extend little wires we call axons
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into your pituitary,
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and the pituitary releases a bunch of hormones
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into the bloodstream,
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and the pituitary releases things
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that most often have the name of stimulating hormone
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because they stimulate organs.
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So in keeping with the theme of thyroid hormone,
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you have thyroid-releasing hormone in the brain,
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tells the pituitary to release thyroid-stimulating hormone,
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and then the thyroid, which we'll talk about in a moment,
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releases thyroid hormones.
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In the testosterone and estrogen episode,
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we talked about how you have
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gonadotropin-releasing hormone.
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There's the releasing again up in the brain.
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Remember, releasing hormone comes from the brain.
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Then you had things like luteinizing hormone
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and follicle-stimulating hormone,
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which were in the pituitary,
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and those traveled to the ovaries or the testes
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and acted on those tissues, okay?
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So please try and embed this logic.
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If you hear the word releasing hormone,
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it's coming from the brain,
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and that makes it actionable in certain ways
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that we'll return to later.
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In addition, the pituitary is letting go
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of all these hormones into the bloodstream
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that are stimulating different tissues.
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So for thyroid, it's thyroid-stimulating hormone,
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and then it goes to the thyroid,
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and the thyroid is a little butterfly-shaped gland
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that's right around the Adam's apple.
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If you want to see yours,
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not directly because it's got skin over it,
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what you would do is you'd take a sip of water,
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you'd look in the mirror, and you'd swallow.
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And the thing that moves up and down,
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that is your thyroid.
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Now, some people call it your Adam's apple
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because it sits right near this protrusion in the trachea,
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which is the Adam's apple.
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No matter whether or not you're male, female,
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or regardless of what your chromosomal background is,
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everyone has an Adam's apple.
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It tends to be more pronounced,
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and people, they got a surge of testosterone
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early in development
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because it has a testosterone sensitivity to it,
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and that actually controls the timbre,
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the so-called deepness of the voice.
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So the thyroid gland sits right there,
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and it's got four little bumps behind it
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called the parathyroid gland,
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and it releases two hormones into the blood
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to stimulate different tissues and their metabolism,
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and those hormones are called T4 and T3.
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So if this is already sounding like a lot of information,
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it's really easy, I promise.
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Releasing hormone comes from the brain,
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stimulating hormone comes from the pituitary,
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and in this case, we're talking about the thyroid
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binding up that stimulating hormone and saying,
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oh, I need to release something
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that releases T4 and T3, and guess what?
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You can basically forget about T4.
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T4, it's not completely inactive, it has some roles,
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but T3 is the one that's more or less active.
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Now, what does thyroid hormone do?
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A lot of people think, oh, thyroid, it's like metabolism,
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and people who are hypothyroid
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all have bulging eyes and are real thin,
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and people who have hypothyroid are overweight,
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and their eyes are half closed or something,
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and indeed, thyroid hormone controls
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a lot of the features of the face and the eyes,
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and it can control amounts of adipose tissue and so forth,
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but the main role of thyroid hormone, of T3,
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is to promote metabolism,
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and that doesn't just mean the consumption of energy,
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it means the utilization of energy,
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including the buildup of tissues,
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so it acts on all sorts of target tissues in the body.
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It acts on muscle, it acts on the liver,
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it acts on the cartilage, it acts on the bone,
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and it's not just involved in using energy,
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it's also converting energy.
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I do realize I said that twice.
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It's involved in taking fats
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and breaking them down into fatty acids
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and converting those into ATP,
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which is an important thing for cells to use energy.
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It's also involved in taking sugars
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and turning those into energy,
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and yes, it goes to adipose tissue, to fat.
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We have different kinds of fat that we'll talk about today,
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but it goes to white fat,
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and it liberates or helps liberate some of the fats
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from those fat cells and use them for energy,
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and this is why higher thyroid
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is associated with leaner bodies.
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Lower thyroid is associated with less lean bodies.
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So one thing that's absolutely key and is actionable,
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we're right there already in discussing tools, is iodine.
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Iodine comes from things in the ocean, right?
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And here are a couple of interesting facts about iodine,
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and then we'll talk about
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whether or not you should be supplementing iodine or not.
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First of all, iodine is most common in sea salt,
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in kelp, and in seaweed,
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and most people can get enough iodine
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from the food they eat and or the table salt they consume.
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Almost all table salt from all over the world,
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regardless of where you are, contains iodine.
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The thyroid needs iodine in order to produce thyroid hormone
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and you need sufficient levels of thyroid hormone.
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Not too much, but you need it.
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So chances are you are getting enough iodine,
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although you might not,
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especially those of you following
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a particularly quote-unquote clean diet
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might not be getting enough iodine.
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Here's the deal with iodine.
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Iodine combines with an amino acid
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that we've talked about before called L-tyrosine.
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L-tyrosine comes from meat, from nuts.
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There are some plant-based sources as well.
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It is the precursor to dopamine,
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but in the thyroid, iodine combines or works with L-tyrosine
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to produce T3 and T4, the thyroid hormone.
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So you absolutely need sufficient iodine,
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you need sufficient L-tyrosine,
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and then you also need something else
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which is called selenium,
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and we'll talk about selenium in a moment.
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So there's a condition
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that shows up in little pockets in the world.
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It's not super common, meaning it's not very widespread,
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but in certain areas that are far away from the ocean,
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at one point, this was historically
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in the Midwestern states of the United States,
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in some mountain regions of other countries,
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in some areas of Africa that were far from the ocean,
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people would get extremely swollen bulges in their necks,
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and this was called goiter.
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And the reason they were getting those swollen bulges
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is because the thyroid itself was hypertrophy,
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it was growing in an attempt to churn out more thyroid,
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and because it was getting a lot of stimulating hormone
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from the pituitary,
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but, and I don't want to go too far off track here,
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but as you recall, the brain and the pituitary
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are paying attention in a cellular sense
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to the levels of hormones in the blood,
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and when those hormones get too high,
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they shut off the stimulating hormone,
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they shut down the signal to make more,
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kind of like a thermostat.
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When the levels are too low,
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like there's not enough testosterone in the bloodstream,
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or there's not enough estrogen,
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the brain will continue to push out the signal
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to make more.
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Similarly, if there's not enough thyroid circulating,
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or there's not enough iodine to make thyroid,
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therefore not enough thyroid hormone circulating,
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the thyroid gland itself is not getting shut down,
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there's tons of stimulating hormone and releasing hormone
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coming from the brain, like release, release, release,
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and there's no way they can make thyroid hormone,
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instead the gland just gets bigger and bigger and bigger,
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and so people get goiter.
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This is one of the reasons why table salt has iodine in it,
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although there are other foods
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that have iodine in it as well.
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So how much iodine do you need?
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Well, you don't need a whole lot.
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Some people who are hypothyroidal might,
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and I want to emphasize might,
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you absolutely should talk to your doctor.
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This is a serious matter.
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Anytime you're talking about hormones
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or manipulating levels of thyroid,
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you absolutely want to talk to your doctor.
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Some people benefit from supplementing iodine.
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It is contained in most salts.
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It's in Himalayan salt, not always, but often.
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I know these days there's a lot of excitement
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about pink salts and sea salts,
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and the kind of artisan salt thing
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has kind of taken off in the foodie land, which is great.
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Some of them are actually quite tasty.
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You can just take it directly if you like the taste of salt,
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but iodine can be supplemented through things like kelp
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and seaweed and kelp tablets.
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Now, if you are hyperthyroidal,
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you make too much thyroid, that actually can be a problem.
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So really the best way to figure this out
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is to get your blood levels tested of thyroid hormone.
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But there's so much iodine in the ocean
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that believe it or not, people that live near the coast
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can actually just absorb it through the air
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just by breathing ocean air.
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So that gives you a sense of just how little iodine
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you actually need to consume in food or in salt.
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So if you're within a few miles of the ocean
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or you visit the ocean from time to time,
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you're probably getting plenty.
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It does have to come together, as I mentioned,
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with L-tyrosine.
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And this is why foods that contain L-tyrosine
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and provided that you have sufficient iodine in your diet,
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and if you have sufficient selenium in your diet,
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does serve to increase your metabolism.
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And that is, again, is for the growth and repair of tissues.
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And that's really important.
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It's not just about keeping your metabolism high
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so that you can be on the leaner side of things
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or adjust your body weight, excuse me,
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your body composition ratios the way you like.
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Repair of injuries, repair of brain tissue,
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clearance of any damage from neurons,
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clearance of any damage to the body
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is also going to depend on thyroid.
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Again, metabolism being this kind of rate
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of fuel consumption and use in the body generally,
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not just about body mass indexes and things of that sort.
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So let's talk about selenium because it's really important.
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And even though most people are getting a lot
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of sufficient iodine,
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and most people are probably getting enough L-tyrosine,
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I'm guessing most people may not be getting enough selenium
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if their goal is to increase thyroid hormone,
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at least that's what the literature says.
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Without going into the biochemistry,
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selenium is important in order for thyroid hormone
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to be made because of the way that it allows L-tyrosine
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and iodine to interact.
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And the thing is most people aren't getting enough selenium
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because they don't eat foods that are high in selenium.
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Now, how much selenium you need
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will depend on where you live.
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It actually varies country by country.
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Some countries I found say that you should get
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100 micrograms, some say 200, some say 155.
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The average was about 155 micrograms,
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the countries I looked at.
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People who are trying to increase thyroid levels
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might want to consume more selenium.
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And if you consume a vitamin, of course,
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you want to make sure if it has selenium
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that you're not overdoing it
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by consuming a lot of selenium-rich foods either.
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But nonetheless, I think it's fair to say
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that most people probably could do well
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by ingesting slightly more selenium than they currently are,
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although, of course, always talk to your doctor.
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Brazil nuts are the heavyweight champion of foods
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to get selenium from.
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It has very high concentrations of selenium.
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In just six or eight Brazil nuts
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contain something like 550 micrograms of selenium.
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It's also present in fish.
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So certain fish like yellowfin tuna,
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although nowadays, whenever I mention tuna or shellfish,
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which is the other rich source of selenium,
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people will tell me immediately
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there are all sorts of issues around farm,
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not farm, mercury, et cetera.
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So I've never particularly liked eating fish
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because of the way it tastes.
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So that's why I avoid it.
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But for those of you that like it,
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I'm sure you're much more skilled
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in knowing which fish to buy
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and which fish not to buy.
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Ham, of all things, contains a lot of selenium.
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For whatever reason, pork does.
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I'm not a big consumer of pork.
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Beef has some selenium.
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But what's interesting, if you look at the sources,
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pork, beef, turkey, chicken, cottage cheese,
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eggs, brown rice, what you want to understand
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is that Brazil nuts, six to eight Brazil nuts,
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has 550 micrograms of selenium,
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and all the other foods I mentioned
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at much greater portion size
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than equivalent to six to eight Brazil nuts,
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either by volume or by calories,
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they have something like 30 to 50 micrograms of selenium.
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So if you're not eating Brazil nuts,
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and I'm guessing most people aren't,
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and you're not eating a lot of animal-based foods,
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which I know many of you aren't,
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then you're probably not getting enough selenium.
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And again, you can have these levels measured,
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or you can just check what you're consuming
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and figure out whether or not you're meeting the ration
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that you need in order to get healthy levels of thyroid.
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It is present in things like mushrooms,
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but again, in a bowl of mushrooms,
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what is the equivalent to a bowl of mushrooms?
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12 micrograms of selenium.
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And if the daily ration is something
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in the 100 to 200 range,
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again, look it up for the area you are,
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you can see really quickly why,
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even though things like mushrooms and spinach
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and milk and yogurt and lentils and cashews,
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so now we're into the vegetarian segment
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in the list that I constructed,
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you're probably not getting enough selenium.
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So it's kind of an interesting thing
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if you're an experimenter
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and you get the clearance from your doctor,
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you could try increasing your selenium levels
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and see how that impacts your metabolism.
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Again, Brazil nuts are probably going to be
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the most direct way to get sufficient selenium levels,
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but because levels are so high in Brazil nuts,
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it also means that you could overdo it as well.
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I'm not really aware of what the consequences are
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of getting too much selenium,
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although you can get too much of anything
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and I'm guessing those consequences aren't good.
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I also want to mention that for children,
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their daily requirements of selenium are much lower,
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as low as 30 or 40 micrograms for kids 14 years or younger.
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And in some areas, I really want to underscore this,
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the amount of selenium that's recommended daily
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is as low as 55 micrograms.
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So it's not that you should be shooting for thousands
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or even high levels of hundreds of micrograms of selenium.
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And again, that's micrograms, not milligrams.
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So again, look into what you need,
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but if you're somebody who's interested
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in keeping thyroid function healthy and productive,
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then you certainly want to make sure
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you're getting enough iodine,
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you're getting enough selenium
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and you're getting enough l-tyrosine.
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And it's interesting when you start looking
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at the various foods, especially highly processed foods,
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then you start to realize that perhaps many people,
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maybe you, are not.
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Not incidentally, selenium has some other effects on health
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that can be quite positive.
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And even though these don't relate
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to thyroid or growth hormone function specifically,
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I think you might want to know about them
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given that we're on the topic of selenium.
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The first is that there are three studies,
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all of which showed very high efficacy
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for reducing the risk of something called preeclampsia.
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Preeclampsia is seizures that are related
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to blood pressure issues
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during or around the delivery of a new baby.
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And it actually, it's a rare-ish condition,
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but it actually can be quite deadly.
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And so the fact that selenium is important
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for offsetting preeclampsia risk is interesting.
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I don't know the exact mechanism,
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and I'm guessing there are only a few of you out there
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that are either pregnant or thinking of conceiving soon,
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but that's worth noting.
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Obviously, anything related to pregnancy or lactation,
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especially talk to your doctor.
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I'm guessing that selenium
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is probably in a lot of prenatal formulas,
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but that's one clear benefit of having sufficient selenium.
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The other is a reduced prostate cancer risk.
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There's a study showing that having sufficient selenium
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can reduce prostate cancer risk.
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And there is some evidence that if you consume foods
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from areas with soil that's low in selenium,
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that can be a problem.
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And last episode, we talked about all these issues
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related to soil quality,
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things that are making their way into food
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that are disrupting hormones and so forth.
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But having sufficient selenium from food
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could offset the low content in any soil.
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And so that apparently can reduce prostate cancer risk.
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It's a minor effect, but it's a statistically
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significant one.
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And the other one is a reduction in acne,
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which is interesting.
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I'm guessing that that probably has to do
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with the thyroid hormone pathway
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because of the way thyroid hormone can impact the liver.
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And it turns out that the liver
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and various biochemical reactions in the liver
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can impact acne.
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And that's probably an episode all into itself,
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but those are just some additional benefits
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of getting sufficient selenium.
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Okay, so we're already deep into tools
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related to making sure that you have sufficient
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selenium, iodine, and L-tyrosine
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in order to make enough thyroid hormones
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that can support your metabolic processes
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in your liver, your muscles, your tendons,
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for whatever purpose,
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keeping your metabolism high for body composition reasons,
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or for healing, for keeping your brain working well.
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Earlier, I mentioned there are people
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who are following very clean diets.
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So these are people that consume no processed foods.
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Any starch they might eat is going to be
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maybe a rice or a grain,
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or any protein they might consume
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is going to be either from,
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let's hope from humanely raised animal sources,
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or maybe they're pure plant-based.
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Believe it or not,
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those folks are actually very susceptible to low iodine
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because it turns out that diets that are very meat rich
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and don't have many vegetables,
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as well as diets that are very vegetable rich,
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but don't have many meats or salts,
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are at risk of lowering thyroid hormone
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by way of the iodine pathway and other pathways.
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And so let me try and simplify this for you.
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Chances are if people are doing the all meat diet,
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they're not sprinkling,
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they're not wrapping those steaks in seaweed,
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and they may or may not be supplementing with iodine.
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Chances are they're probably consuming iodine salt,
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but their requirements go up
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if they're not consuming vegetables.
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People who are consuming vegetables,
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it's kind of interesting,
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we always hear that we should have
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our cruciferous vegetables,
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and those are so important,
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but they're actually substances,
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compounds within high quality cruciferous vegetables
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that can interfere with thyroid hormone function.
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So if you're eating a lot of that stuff,
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a lot of cabbages and just look up your other,
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I think broccoli is a cruciferous vegetable,
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and I won't read off the whole list,
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you could just put into the internet.
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But if you're, you know,
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we're always told to eat a lot
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of the dark leafy green stuff.
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Well, unless that dark leafy green stuff is kelp or seaweed,
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chances are that we're not getting enough iodine
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unless we're adding salt to our food,
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and chances are that we may be lowering
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the total amount of thyroid that we're making,
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as well as the fact that in plant-rich diets,
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it's hard to get enough L-tyrosine.
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And I don't want, you know, I'm not here to inflame
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any of the vegans or the carnivore folks.
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I don't take a stance either way on any of that.
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I'm just learning, trying to report the science.
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The point I want to make is your health is important.
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So if you are purely plant-based
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and you're eating a lot of cruciferous vegetables,
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make sure you're getting enough iodine.
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It does seem like the cruciferous vegetables
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can increase the need for further iodine.
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And same thing if you're purely,
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and you're on this all meat diet or your keto,
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00:38:07.640
and you're not ingesting many vegetables.
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So I always thought that the cleaner the diet, the better,
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but it turns, and probably that's true
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from the standpoint of, you know, hormone regulation,
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you know, estrogen and testosterone and other hormones,
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the highly processed foods really are terrible.
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There's so much evidence for that.
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The phthalates in plastics and the processed foods
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and the emulsifiers,
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00:38:31.640
all the stuff we talked about previous episode,
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but it does seem to be that people that are not getting
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enough iodine for whatever reason,
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00:38:40.160
really need to check out whether or not
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their iodine levels need to be increased
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because of the fact that they are consuming so many plants
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or so many meats, and in some cases,
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plants that actually lower thyroid hormone.
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And not to beat a dead horse or cabbage,
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but there are a number of things that iodine can do
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that are positive, that are sort of,
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they're related to thyroid, not directly.
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They're kind of offshoots of the thyroid pathway.
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They're downstream of it, we would say,
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in terms of how they impact metabolic function.
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One of those is to reduce something called
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C-reactive protein.
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Some of you may have heard of CRP or C-reactive protein.
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C-reactive protein is something that you want to keep
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at modestly low levels.
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00:39:20.880
It's associated with inflammation
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and various forms of heart disease
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00:39:23.840
and even eye disease, macular degeneration.
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00:39:26.580
So it does appear that iodine supplementation
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or getting sufficient iodine from food,
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00:39:32.240
either works, is associated with reduced levels
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00:39:38.060
of C-reactive protein in the blood
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and an anti-inflammatory effect.
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And the anti-inflammatory effect brings us back
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to our old friend interleukin-6.
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Remember, there are these inflammatory cytokines.
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They have many, many names
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because there are many, many of them.
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Interleukin-10 is the one that's anti-inflammatory.
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Interleukin-6 is the one that's inflammatory.
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Anytime you see IL-6, that usually means
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that there's an inflammatory response, there's a wound,
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00:40:04.660
there's inflammation of the brain,
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somebody is either sleep deprived or had a brain injury,
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or they're dealing with some sort of infection,
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00:40:11.960
IL-6 is kind of a catchall for inflammation.
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And it does appear that iodine supplementation
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can reduce circulating IL-6 associated with inflammation.
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So in that sense, iodine can have
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an anti-inflammatory effect.
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So by now, it should be abundantly clear
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if you care about thyroid hormone,
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if you care about the pathways that it impacts,
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00:40:33.920
like having a high level of metabolism,
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00:40:36.480
which I guess if for no other reason is attractive,
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00:40:39.280
because then you can eat more
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and still maintain a healthy body composition,
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00:40:43.740
but also for brain health, cognitive function, tissue repair,
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00:40:48.580
all that stuff, keeping C-reactive protein low,
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00:40:50.740
keeping IL-6 low, make sure you're getting enough iodine,
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00:40:53.440
selenium, and L-tyrosine.
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00:40:55.200
If you're curious how thyroid actually increases metabolism,
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allows you to eat more, et cetera,
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00:40:59.880
it relates to something we covered last issue,
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which is glucose.
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00:41:03.640
Remember, when you eat something, blood sugar goes up,
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insulin is secreted from the pancreas,
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and it makes sure that blood glucose doesn't go too high,
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00:41:10.440
which can damage tissues, or too low,
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which can make you hypoglycemic.
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00:41:15.140
Thyroid increases glucose uptake by various tissues,
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in particular muscle and bone.
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00:41:21.320
It actually can increase bone mineral density,
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which is a really good thing as you get older.
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Injuries, when I say older, I mean basically 30 and older,
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the reason you can recover more quickly from injuries
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if you have a healthy thyroid and healthy thyroid pathways
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is because you can consume energy,
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that energy is diverted toward bone repair,
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and muscle repair, and cartilage repair.
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00:41:43.880
And so the way it does this again is by increasing ATP,
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but the whole idea here is that iodine, selenium,
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L-tyrosine allow thyroid to be at healthy levels
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so that thyroid then can take glucose in the blood
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and divert it to tissues for it to be used,
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00:42:01.280
in particular your brain,
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and that's why these things that we're talking about
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supplementing or getting from food
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can actually improve or support brain function.
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People are always asking me,
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what is the food that I should eat for my brain?
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00:42:14.820
Like, are blueberries good for your brain?
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00:42:16.440
Or they do ask me, are walnuts good for your brain
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00:42:18.820
because it looks like a brain?
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00:42:20.200
We talked about that earlier.
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The fact of the matter is that what you need
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are nutrients that support hormones and biological pathways
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that support the brain.
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00:42:28.720
That's the way to think about it.
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And I realize when people ask,
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what should I eat to support my brain?
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00:42:32.640
That's basically what they're asking in short form.
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So keeping your thyroid hormone healthy,
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at healthy levels that is,
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is going to be terrific for your brain
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because 75% of your metabolism is from your brain.
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The ability of your brain to use glucose or ketones
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for that matter is going to be aided
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by having healthy thyroid.
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00:42:52.200
So do the things, take the things,
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eat the things that are going to allow you
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to have healthy levels of thyroid hormone.
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I'm sure a number of you are out there wondering,
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do I have healthy levels of thyroid hormone?
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Those can be measured from the blood.
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There's some telltale signs of having really high thyroid
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or really low thyroid.
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And I could start listing those off.
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They're easy to find online as well.
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Things like bulging eyes, inability to maintain weight,
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shaky, anxiety, that's kind of hyperthyroidal,
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thinning of hair, this kind of thing.
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I don't want to get into diagnosing hypothyroidism
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and hyperthyroidism.
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It's just impossible because you're there and I'm here
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and we're kind of shouting back and forth
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through a tunnel of video and comments.
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If you're concerned about having excessively high
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or excessively low levels of thyroid hormone,
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absolutely look up what the symptoms are,
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talk to your physician.
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And there are a number of good treatments.
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I didn't talk about prescription drugs
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that can improve symptoms related to hypo or hyperthyroid.
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Of course, they have synthesized thyroid.
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So if you don't make enough thyroid, you can take thyroid.
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It's by prescription.
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If you have too much thyroid,
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sometimes they'll take out the thyroid gland
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or they can administer drugs
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that will either block receptors
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or will interfere with some of the pathways
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from the brain to the pituitary
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or from the pituitary to the thyroid
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in order to adjust thyroid hormone that way.
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So there are the big guns in terms of the treatments
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for different thyroid disorders,
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but we're not talking about thyroid disorders.
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We're talking about how to get
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and maintain thyroid levels in healthy ranges
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and some straightforward ways to do that
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through diet and supplementation.
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There's also a lot of evidence
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that for people who menstruate,
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levels of thyroid hormone can fluctuate dramatically
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across the menstrual cycle.
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So that's really going to be a process of experimentation.
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I don't know that you could, in theory,
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take blood at different phases of your cycle
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and figure out whether or not your thyroid hormone
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was excessively high or low
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at different phases of the cycle.
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That's going to be pretty tough to do
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if you have an endocrinologist
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that's willing to do that with you, terrific.
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I think most people are going to have to figure out
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how supplementing the sorts of things
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that we talked about before or getting them from foods
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relates to different aspects of their cycle.
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In general, the first half of the cycle before ovulation,
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people create carbohydrates and sweets more related to the,
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and that makes total sense
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based on the biology of the menstrual cycle.
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Thyroid hormone is going to go up as you,
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as anyone, male or female, menstruating or not,
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increases more starchy carbohydrates.
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This is interesting because ketogenic diets
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have been shown to slightly lower thyroid levels.
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And that makes sense because in ketogenic diets,
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blood glucose levels are very low
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and thyroid hormone is secreted in large part
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in proportion to how much glucose is in the bloodstream
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and how much that glucose needs to be regulated.
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So I'm not trying to demonize the ketogenic diet.
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I think it definitely has its place.
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There are 22 studies now showing
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that it can dramatically reduce blood glucose.
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And about a third of those show
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that thyroid hormone levels are slightly reduced,
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sometimes significantly, if not more,
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in the ketogenic diet.
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That may explain, I want to highlight,
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may explain the fact that when people go back
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to a more traditional diet,
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if they've been on a ketogenic diet for a long time,
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that oftentimes they will gain weight very quickly
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as they bring carbohydrates back into their diet.
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Some people are cycling between ketogenic and non-ketogenic
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every three, four days, so-called cyclic ketogenic diet.
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Some people are staying ketogenic for long periods of time.
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Some people, six days on, one day off.
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So there's a huge variation there.
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The point is that carbohydrates, starchy carbohydrates
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in particular, support the healthy production
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of T3 and T4.
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And so if you're very low carbohydrate,
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you're going to have a reduction in T3 and T4.
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And so if you're going to bring carbohydrates
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back into your diet,
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then you might want to do it more gradually.
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And for those of you that menstruate
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and are craving carbohydrates
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in the early part of the cycle,
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that is actually associated with having a healthy cycle.
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If any of you have had a healthy cycle on a ketogenic diet,
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that would be interesting.
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Maybe let me know through the comments
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or point me in the direction of some research
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if you're aware of it.
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So as you can start to see,
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there's this really beautiful interplay
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between the different hormones,
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between insulin and glucose,
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between estrogen and thyroid,
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between thyroid and blood glucose and the ketogenic diets.
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It all starts to fit together
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in ways that make a lot of sense
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once you understand just kind of the core elements
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of what the hormones are
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and the variety of tissues that they work on.
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The simple version of this is
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if you haven't had a carbohydrate for a year,
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then your T3, T4 levels are going to be pretty low.
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And I'm sure there's some ketonistas out there.
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They're going to say,
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wait, no, thyroid hormone levels go up with keto.
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That might be true for other reasons,
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indirect reasons related to hormone pathways
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that are cascade from being in ketosis
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for long periods of time, great.
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But for most people that don't consume any carbohydrate,
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T3, T4 are going to go down.
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And when they start to consume foods
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that require thyroid metabolism
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in order to work with, to metabolize,
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then weight gain can sometimes happen more quickly.
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So it's just something to consider
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and it's something to work with carefully
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if you're going to be cyclic ketogenic, long-term ketogenic.
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And if you're not ketogenic
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and you're consuming carbohydrates
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and the three things that we talked about earlier,
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selenium, tyrosine, and iodine,
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chances are, unless there's an underlying condition there,
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that your levels of thyroid
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are going to be in healthy range.
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Next, we're going to talk about growth hormone.
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Growth hormone has received a ton of attention
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in the last 20 years.
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I actually remember when it was first sequenced.
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This was a huge deal.
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There was a huge patent drama.
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I won't mention the universities or the people involved.
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There were companies and monster patents and payouts,
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and it was really interesting.
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You can look that up online
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if you're interested in some of the scientific history.
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Growth hormone is a pretty straightforward one
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for you to understand now
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because it follows the exact same logic as thyroid hormone.
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In fact, their functions are so closely overlapping
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when we first look at the face of it
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that you're probably going to think,
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why do you have these two systems?
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So just very briefly, growth hormone releasing hormone,
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so remember, releasing means it comes from the brain,
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comes from the brain,
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and tells the pituitary to release growth hormone,
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and then growth hormone is released into the bloodstream
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where it goes and acts on a ton of tissues,
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muscle, ligaments, bone, fat, et cetera,
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to increase metabolism.
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It sounds just like thyroid hormone,
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and they do work in parallel,
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and that's why we've lumped them together
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in the same episode.
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They increase metabolism and repair and growth of tissues.
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A conversation about growth hormone would be incomplete
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if we didn't talk about the kind of extremes.
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There are certain people who are born
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that don't make enough growth hormone,
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and they end up very short in stature.
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There are certain people who make a ton of growth hormone,
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and they end up very, very large.
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They tend to have very large appendages.
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They have something called acromegaly.
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It's kind of like a ridging of the forehead.
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It's actually a bone ridge.
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They are giant, and it used to be called giantism,
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and most people, of course, are in a range of height
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and appendage length.
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That doesn't imply
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that there's a growth hormone disruption there.
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Growth hormone received a lot of attention
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after it was sequenced,
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because that meant the opportunity to inject growth hormone
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and replace growth hormone that was lost,
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and there was actually a lot of cases
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of people taking their kids
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and trying to get them to be taller for whatever reason
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by injecting growth hormone.
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Today, we're going to talk about the things
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that anyone can do to increase growth hormone,
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and there are reasons why
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certain people would want to do that.
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People who overproduce growth hormone
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certainly would not want to do that.
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People who underproduce it would probably want to do that.
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People that make normal, quote-unquote,
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levels of growth hormone might want to do that as they age,
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because during puberty and development,
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the pituitary is churning out tons of growth hormone.
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It's responsible for the growth, not surprising,
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of the body and all its features,
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height just being one of those.
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And so as we age, we make less growth hormone,
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and that is one of the reasons
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why we recover more slowly from injuries.
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It's one of the reasons why we accumulate body fat,
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and it's one of the reasons why our metabolism slows.
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And so growth hormone replacement therapy
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has been tremendously popular in the last 20 years,
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which is not to say it doesn't carry its problems, it does.
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Here's one of the major problems
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with injecting growth hormone.
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Not saying people shouldn't do this
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if the doctor has approved it
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or it's in keeping with their particular life goals,
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but growth hormone, if it's in levels that are too high,
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will cause growth of all tissues.
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So not just muscle, not just reduction in body fat
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by metabolizing, by allowing fatty acids
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to be pulled out of storage and used for ATP,
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but it will also cause increase in growth of the heart
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and the lungs and the liver and the spleen.
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And so this is the concern with abuse of growth hormone.
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So we're not going to be talking
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about abuse of growth hormone.
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We will, however, talk about tools that anyone can use
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to increase levels of growth hormone.
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Some of them are behavioral,
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some of them are supplement-based,
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and some of them interact with behaviors and supplements.
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And what's cool about the discussion about growth hormone
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is that the tools that exist out there
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to increase growth hormone are very actionable.
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Most people can do these without the need for any equipment
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or even any supplement,
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although there are some supplement-related themes
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for tools for growth hormone increase.
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And also the increases that one can get in growth hormone
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are substantial.
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So normally when you talk about the difference
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between taking something as an exogenous substance
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like testosterone or estrogen
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versus using supplements or behaviors to increase them,
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you're talking about tenfold differences
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from administering the prescription compound.
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In terms of growth hormone,
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there are things that can increase growth hormone
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three, four, 500% or more.
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And even though that's a short-lived increase,
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they can have very powerful effects on metabolism
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and on repair of tissues.
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So let's talk about those.
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Okay, let's go step-by-step
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in terms of the things that anyone,
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perhaps everyone should be doing
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in order to maintain healthy growth hormone levels
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or increase growth hormone levels.
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Unless you have overproduction of growth hormone,
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chances are these things are going to benefit you.
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However, as always, I want to emphasize,
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talk to a doctor before you do anything,
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including remove any treatments.
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So anything you would add or take away,
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that's a responsibility of you and your healthcare provider.
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Okay, I don't just say that to protect me,
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I say that to protect you.
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First of all, growth hormone is released
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every night when you go to sleep,
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and it's released in the early part of sleep
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during so-called slow wave sleep.
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So the two conditions that have to be met
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in order for growth hormone to be secreted regularly
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for tissue repair, et cetera,
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are you need to get into slow wave sleep,
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the so-called deep sleep,
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and you need blood insulin and glucose to be relatively low.
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So eating within two hours of sleep, excuse me,
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eating within two hours of going to sleep
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is going to suppress growth hormone release.
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That's very clear.
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However, some people are going to have problems
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falling asleep if they are too hungry.
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So you have to work with that
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and decide what you're going to eat
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and when you're going to eat that thing
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so that you're not so hungry
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that you're having trouble falling asleep.
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The episodes on sleep that were covered
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in episodes two, three, and four
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of the Huberman Lab Podcast
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has, I believe, more tools there
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than you could ever want or make use of
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in terms of how to optimize sleep.
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So you can refer to those if you like.
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So don't eat too close to sleep
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and then get into slow wave sleep.
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And as I talked about in one of those earlier episodes,
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the first half of the night,
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slow wave sleep and deep sleep predominate.
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The second half of the night,
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it's another kind of sleep we call REM sleep.
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So what is special about this early phase of sleep?
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This is how you should be thinking
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if you listen to this podcast.
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You should be thinking,
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okay, I hear that something is important,
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it's related, it's in the pathway,
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but mechanistically, when we say get into slow wave sleep,
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get into deep sleep,
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that's when growth hormone is secreted.
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The question you should be asking yourselves
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as scientists of yourselves is,
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wait, why slow wave sleep?
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What in particular about slow wave deep sleep
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allows the pituitary to release growth hormone?
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Like what is it?
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Because if you can understand that,
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if you can understand a little bit of mechanism,
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there are actually ways that you can increase
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the amount of growth hormone that you release
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both in sleep and out of sleep.
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So the answer is it's a delta wave activity in the brain.
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Delta waves are these big giant waves of activity
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in the brain that correlate with slow wave sleep,
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as opposed to faster waves of activity
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that is associated with rapid eye movement sleep.
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So slow wave sleep and the delta activity
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actually triggers the neurons in the brain,
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the releasing hormone, right?
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Growth hormone releasing hormone neurons
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to signal to the pituitary.
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Now, how do I know this is true?
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And what can you do with this?
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Well, we know this is true because researchers
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have taken people and sleep deprived them
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and they just asked,
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well, is it just one period of time every 24 hours
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and then the pituitary releases growth hormone?
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If that were the case,
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that would say that growth hormone is just released
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in a so-called circadian dependent way every 24 hours,
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there's the pulse of it.
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But no, it's always relating to slow wave deep sleep
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and delta waves.
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And this is cool because what it means is that
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even if you're not measuring your brain waves during sleep,
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which most of you probably are not,
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you might be measuring slow wave sleep or deep sleep
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using a device like a whoop or an aura.
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And even if you're not,
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what this means is that during the day,
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there's the potential to also increase
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growth hormone release if you can get the brain
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into the so-called delta waves.
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And it turns out there are things you can do in waking
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as well to increase growth hormone release.
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So we're going to talk about those next,
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but as a tool and to just really make sure
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that we put brackets around this,
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try and have blood glucose not too high.
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So if you do need to eat close to bed,
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you wouldn't want to eat anything
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that would increase blood glucose too much.
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Try and not eat too close to bedtime,
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get into deep sleep early in the night,
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get the growth hormone release,
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and understand that it's the delta waves of activity,
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these sweeping big waves of activity in the neurons
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that stimulate the brain to stimulate the pituitary.
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Because once you understand that,
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then you have something to anchor to in terms of thinking,
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what are the things I can do in waking
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that will allow me to release more growth hormone,
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which for most people is going to be a good thing.
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Several times before on this podcast,
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I've talked about the fact that I'm not a big fan
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of melatonin supplementation for most purposes.
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It might be helpful under conditions of jet lag.
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However, there are a lot of reasons
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why I personally don't like melatonin.
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It interacts with the reproductive hormones,
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testosterone and estrogen,
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and that whole axis in ways that are unattractive,
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at least to me, it suppresses puberty during development.
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It's present in much, much higher doses in most supplements
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than one would normally make, like 100 fold, 300 fold.
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However, today I'm going to talk about an instance
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where very low levels of melatonin supplementation
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might actually be advantageous.
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And that is aiding the transition
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to the delta wave slow wave sleep I just described,
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because that's the pattern of sleep
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and brainwave activity that triggers growth hormone release.
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So whereas most melatonin supplements are one milligram,
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three milligrams, 12 milligrams, this kind of thing,
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that is super physiological.
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There are some data showing that microgram,
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maybe 500 micrograms of melatonin, so half a milligram,
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can be beneficial in shifting the pattern
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of early night sleep
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toward more of the slow wave deep sleep delta activity
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and improving growth hormone release.
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Not a lot of studies, but the ones that I saw are quality.
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They were done in subjects that, you know,
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both sexes, sufficient numbers, et cetera.
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So this is interesting.
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So if you're interested in melatonin supplementation,
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you might think about it just at very low levels, you know,
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hundreds of micrograms as opposed to the milligram dosages.
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Most of the ones out there
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are going to be in milligram dosages.
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So that's one way that some studies have shown
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that you can increase the amount of growth hormone
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that's secreted in early phases of sleep.
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Now, the delta wave activity
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and the slow wave activity in the brain
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being very important for growth hormone release
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and growth hormone release being so important
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for metabolic functions and peeling away unwanted body fat
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and repairing tissues, et cetera, forces us to ask,
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well, what other things can we do in waking
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in order to increase growth hormone release?
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So let's start with the ones
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that have a potentially big effect,
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but are a little bit harder to access.
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And for that, I want to point toward a book,
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which is really kind of interesting.
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It's not focused on growth hormone,
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but the book is called Altered Traits.
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This is the book.
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It's an excellent book.
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Altered Traits by Goleman and Davidson,
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Science Reveals How Meditation Changes
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Your Mind, Brain, and Body.
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Very interesting book.
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For those of you that are interested in meditation,
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and perhaps those of you who are not,
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but are considering it,
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what they talk about in this book is the fact
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that meditation has two separate lines of effects.
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One of those lines of effects
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are things that change your state.
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So you're stressed, you sit down, you meditate,
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and you relax, and you go into a particular state.
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The other are the changes that occur over time,
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and those are changes in trait.
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So personality can actually change
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with long bouts of TM meditation or repeated meditation.
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In any case, the reason we're talking
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about altered traits today
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is because certain types of meditation
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can get people's brains into states
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that very closely mimic slow wave sleep.
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If you hear snoring in the background,
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Costello is, it sounds like he's in slow wave sleep,
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these big oscillatory snores
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that he's in 23.6 hours per day.
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So what this means is for people that are interested
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in increasing growth hormone,
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a meditation practice that allows you
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to get into these slow wave delta type frequency activity
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in the brain may be very beneficial
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because as I mentioned before,
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that's what's gating growth hormone release.
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It's not just a circadian phenomenon.
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It's actually controlled by these brain waves.
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I did look up binaural beats.
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I get so many questions about binaural beats,
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and it's a really attractive idea, right?
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Binaural beats, for those of you who don't know,
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you listen to one frequency of tone,
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doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, in one ear,
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and another frequency of tone in the other ear,
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doo, doo, doo, doo, and then the brain essentially
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takes the average of the two,
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or there's some other wiring in the brainstem
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that makes it not quite the average,
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but takes the average of the two for sake of discussion,
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and that frequency is what the brain entrains
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or maps onto.
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There are a lot of apps that are claiming
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that you can get the brain into delta waves
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using binaural beats.
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I could not find quality peer review studies
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supporting that, but I know there are a lot of fans
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out there of binaural beats.
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If you know of any literature that's independent
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of the company that makes the binaural beat technology,
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so unbiased research, please send it my way,
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but in Altered Traits, Goleman and Davidson talk about
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the fact that people who do 20 minutes of sitting meditation
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per day can access these slow wave sleep-like brain states.
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Now I've talked a lot on here about non-sleep deep rest,
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things like yoga nidra and hypnosis.
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I'm not aware that those will put people
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into slow wave sleep per se, or delta waves per se.
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So we're really talking about 20 minutes
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of more traditional type meditation.
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Okay, so we talked about very low doses of melatonin
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as a way to trigger delta waves
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and more growth hormone release in sleep.
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There are science to support that.
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We've now talked about a waking behavior of 20 minutes
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of sort of what I would call standard meditation
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of just sitting there concentrating on one's breathing
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to try and access delta waves, binaural beats,
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no science yet, who knows,
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maybe there's science to support it.
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If you're aware of it, let me know.
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Now let's move to the things that one can do
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that have been shown to have, let's just be honest,
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pretty enormous effects on growth hormone release in waking.
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And these are things that are very actionable.
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One of the things that can have a dramatic effect
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on levels of growth hormone release in waking,
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as well as in sleep the following night is exercise.
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But the key is the type of exercise and the duration.
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Now there's a logic to this.
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There are hundreds, if not thousands of studies
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measuring growth hormone, both during
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or sometimes after exercise or the following night.
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And the conclusion that one takes away from all of these
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is that exercise has to be of particular duration
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and intensity in order to get growth hormone release.
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So first I'm just going to tell you what I found to be
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the maximum amount of growth hormone release
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as it relates to a particular form of exercise.
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The particular form of exercise is either weight training
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or it can be endurance training,
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but the endurance training and the weight training
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actually have to be limited to about 60 minutes,
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not much longer.
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Now this is important because it's been shown
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over and over again that if one exercise is too long
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with weights or endurance exercise,
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that cortisol levels go high enough
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that it starts to inhibit the testosterone
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and even the estrogen pathways.
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This is why I believe people who over exercise
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or exercise a lot can lose their menstrual cycles,
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they stop menstruating.
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It's why you get suppressions and testosterone
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if people train too long and too hard.
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The cutoff has always been 60 to 75 minutes
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of the hard work part.
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It's going to vary a lot from person to person,
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but in terms of growth hormone,
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the conditions that seem to lead
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to the greatest growth hormone release are one, get warm.
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This is interesting, we're going to talk about temperature.
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So a proper warmup seems to accelerate
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the release of growth hormone
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once the hard work phase starts.
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So 10 minutes of warmup or so
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was the number that I extracted from all these studies.
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There's a beautiful review on this by the way.
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Growth hormone response is a varying, excuse me,
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growth hormone arginine and exercise.
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We'll talk about arginine in a few minutes.
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That's by Kannalei, K-A-N-A-L-E-Y.
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It was published in Current Opinion
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in Clinical Nutrition and Metabolic Clear.
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The Current Opinion journals
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are generally of pretty high quality
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in terms of the reviews,
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just because they tend to be pretty recent.
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And then the references they're in are also quite good.
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So what does this mean?
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This means warm up and when you say warm up,
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it doesn't mean just warm up the limbs and tissues
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that you're going to use so you don't get injured,
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actually warm the body.
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So there was actually some discussion
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about whether or not in cold winter months,
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people should wear like a stocking cap,
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bringing the conditions of making the room warm.
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So getting the body warm as a warm up
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seems to be important because temperature of the body
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seems to be an important condition
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or prerequisite for certain patterns of exercise
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to maximize growth hormone release.
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So this is really interesting to me.
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I have an obsession with how body temperature,
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light exercise and food interact.
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We're going right there with the fact that if you get warm,
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you bring up the body temperature a degree or two
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or maybe three and then start exercise.
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It does appear that high intensity exercise,
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but again, as discussed in a previous episode,
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not exercise that brings muscles to failure,
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but close to it.
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So if it's weight-bearing exercise,
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it would be getting close to that final repetitions
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where you can't complete them,
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but not pushing through those or even going to failure,
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but getting close leads to anywhere from 300 to 500%
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increases in resting growth hormone levels
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and 300 to 500% increases in growth hormone
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the following night when you go to sleep,
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which is incredible.
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Now I want to dissect this properly, okay?
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So one of the other conditions that seemed to be important
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again was to have relatively low blood glucose.
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So it's looking a lot like the conditions you need for sleep
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in order to get maximum growth hormone release in sleep.
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So not having blood glucose too high or too low,
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that's a discussion unto itself.
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You want to have sufficient energy to do the exercise,
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but getting warm, not having blood glucose
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too high or too low,
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so probably not eating too close to exercise
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or not ingesting a lot of sugars during the exercise.
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That was supported by the fact that ingestion
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of a sports drink that contains caloric sugar
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immediately flat-lined the growth hormone levels.
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So really interesting relationship
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between insulin, glucose, and growth hormone.
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So then doing the training for anywhere from 60 to 75 minutes
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to maximize growth hormone release.
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And then the other interesting thing
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was that even after the exercise,
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taking body temperature back down to normal levels
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relatively quickly seemed to be associated
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with these big spikes in growth hormone.
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Otherwise, what would happen is you get these big spikes
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in growth hormone, but if the exercise went too long
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or if body temperature remained too high for too long,
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then you didn't get the second increase in growth hormone
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the following night, okay?
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So I hope I made that abundantly clear.
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Warm up well, get body temperature up,
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exercise 60 to 75 minutes.
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Don't go to absolute failure
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if your interest is in growth hormone release
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both during the exercise and later that night.
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And if you can bring body temperature back down
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to normal levels by cooling off,
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maybe cool shower or maybe ice pack or something,
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or maybe just turning off the heat in the room
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or going outside, whatever it is,
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then you increase the probability
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that you're going to increase growth hormone
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the following night as well.
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And again, these are big increases, 300 to 500%.
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And it's almost like you're getting a second sleep during
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the day, but if the exercise is too hard,
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if body temperature stays too high for too long,
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you disrupt the whole process
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and you don't get the effect of increased growth hormone.
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Growth hormone is really powerful,
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but it doesn't work alone.
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In fact, a lot of the effects of growth hormone are mediated
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by its effects on the liver.
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So growth hormone is released, goes to the liver,
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and then the liver releases something called IGF-1,
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insulin growth factor one.
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Insulin growth factor one was popular
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in the neuroscience community as an area of focus
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because of its ability to trigger improvements in memory
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and learning after exercise.
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And indeed, exercise triggers both the release
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of growth hormone and IGF-1.
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IGF-1 seems responsible for a lot of the effects
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of improved memory.
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Some people report that that is due to increased number
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of neurons or neurogenesis, birth of new neurons.
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It's pretty clear that in humans,
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that's not what's happening.
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Yes, in animals, not in humans.
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IGF-1 nonetheless has positive effects
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on memory and cognition.
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And a great way to trigger IGF-1 release
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and growth hormone release is through exercise.
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Now, the interesting thing,
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and the reason I'm bringing up IGF-1 here,
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is that certain patterns of exercise,
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actually duration of exercise,
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have different effects on IGF-1 and growth hormone,
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depending on whether or not the exercise is done
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by men or women.
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There's what we call a sex dependent effect.
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And the sex dependent effect is as follows.
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In this particular study and several others,
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what they did is they had people exercise,
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they measured growth hormone and IGF-1 levels
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from the blood before, during, and after exercise.
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And they could see when the greatest increases occurred.
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This was standard sorts of resistance exercise.
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So some squats, there was a sprint-like activity.
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It doesn't really matter what the specific exercises were.
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None of them were to failure.
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These were in kind of the 10 repetition or less range,
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six sets, so kind of standard weight training stuff
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that anyone might do.
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But what was interesting is that women were able
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to access the biggest peak in growth hormone
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and IGF-1 early in the exercise, so in the first 30 minutes.
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So what this means is even if you just have 30 minutes,
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at least for women, there's going to be a big increase
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in growth hormone and IGF-1 in the first 30 minutes.
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For men, the biggest increase occurred later
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in the exercise, which was 60 minutes or so total.
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And so the sex dependent effects are interesting.
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They point to the fact that things like cortisol,
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testosterone, and estrogen, which of course vary
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in different levels in men and women,
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are going to impact the release of things like IGF-1
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and growth hormone.
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And yes, they did control for all sorts of things
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like diet, and they controlled for weight
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and prior experience.
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It's actually a quite nice study.
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If you'd like to check it out, it's by Pierce et al.
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Growth Hormone and Insulin Glow Factor-1 Molecular Weight.
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Isoform response to resistance exercise are sex dependent
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in frontiers and endocrinology.
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Fine Journal in 2020, so it's quite recent.
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So what does this mean?
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This means if you're exercising
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and you want growth hormone release, warm up,
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do the type of exercise we've been discussing.
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Women in the first 30 minutes
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is when you're going to get the maximum benefit
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in terms of growth hormone and IGF-1.
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Men, you have to keep going for the entire 60 minutes,
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so don't tap out early if you're interested
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in getting the growth hormone and IGF-1 release.
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And the same conditions apply about then cooling down
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and not making the exercise last so long
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that you don't get the increase in growth hormone
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the following night.
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My experience thus far in doing this podcast
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is that people fall into one of two categories.
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There are the, just tell me what to take people,
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the people that are really eager to try supplements
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and maybe even prescription compounds.
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And then there are people
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who are a little bit more shy about supplementation.
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They are more focused on what they can do with diet
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and behaviors and things of that sort.
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I don't have a bias either way.
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I try and offer tools that are supported
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by the scientific literature.
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And I always point to safety margins.
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There are supplements that can increase growth hormone
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to a considerable degree.
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And no, these aren't growth hormone itself,
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although that of course will increase growth hormone
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to a considerable degree.
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We will talk about prescription drugs at the end,
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not just growth hormone,
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but some other things that are quite prominently
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in use right now,
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in particular in the entertainment industry.
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It's pretty interesting compounds.
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But first let's talk about supplements.
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So this has been known about for some time,
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but arginine, the amino acid arginine,
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as well as the amino acid ornithine
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can increase growth hormone levels substantially.
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Now, arginine has a number of effects.
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You can get it from food, you can get it from supplements.
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Some people take it in pill form or capsule form.
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Some people will actually take it by IV, intravenously.
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The levels and the amounts of arginine required
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to get big growth hormone release increases
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is pretty substantial.
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So some people will take arginine before bedtime.
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Some people will take it before exercise.
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The prerequisite again is low blood glucose.
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Blood glucose is high, it's going to quash the effect.
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The amounts of arginine that people take
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are anywhere from three grams to 10 grams
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or sometimes even more.
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Although this is definitely a case of more is not better.
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There is a threshold at which growth hormone release
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is actually blunted by taking more than nine grams
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of arginine.
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Now, nine grams of arginine orally is a lot of pills.
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It's at minimum nine pills.
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And it can cause some GI disturbance, right?
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People can feel nauseous.
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Some people will throw it up.
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Some people will get some constipation or diarrhea, et cetera,
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or just stomach aches.
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I'm certainly not suggesting people do this,
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that they take arginine,
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but that's the reason why most of the studies
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that looked at the role of arginine on growth hormone levels
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did it by IV, intravenous infusion.
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So what's interesting, however,
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is that whether or not it's by mouth or by vein,
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taking arginine can dramatically increase
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growth hormone release.
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And the levels or the amount of increase
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raised was anywhere from 100 on the low end,
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but anywhere from basically from 400 to 600%
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above baseline.
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So these are huge increases in growth hormone.
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Now, I've never tried arginine.
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Arginine is out there for a number of different purposes.
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One of them is to increase growth hormone.
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Some of the supplements out there to increase growth hormone
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include arginine and ornithine.
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Arginine does have the effect of dilating arterioles
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and it basically increases blood supply.
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The arginine pathway is involved in vasodilation.
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It's actually the pathway that's downstream
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of a lot of drugs that are used to treat things
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like erectile dysfunction.
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And anytime people have problems
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with peripheral blood flow of any kind,
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they focus on compounds that will either disrupt the enzymes
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or will adjust the levels of amino acids
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to get more vasodilation.
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So taking arginine for the purpose
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of increasing growth hormone will also have the effect
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of dilating blood vessels.
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And for people with blood, excuse me, with heart conditions,
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that actually can be a serious issue.
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Now, here is something really important
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and interesting to note,
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which is that increasing arginine levels
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with the specific goal of increasing growth hormone release
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can actually short circuit the effects of exercise
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on growth hormone.
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Several studies I looked at looked at the interaction
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of taking arginine and the exercise
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or just the arginine or just the exercise alone.
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And so you don't, unfortunately,
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if growth hormone increases your goal,
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you don't unfortunately get to increase growth hormone 800%
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by taking arginine and exercising.
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It always seems to be clamped at about 300 to 500% increases,
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still large increases.
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So I make that point for several reasons.
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First of all, be aware that arginine has these other effects
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on vasodilation, take those seriously
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if you have a heart condition
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or take them seriously in any case.
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Second of all, you can supplement with arginine,
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not exercise and get these big increases in growth hormone
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by taking them before sleep.
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But if you're taking the arginine before exercise,
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you are going to short circuit
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or clamp the effects of exercise on growth hormone, okay?
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So it's something that one could use,
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but it doesn't have a synergistic effect with exercise.
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The two more or less cancel each other out, not to zero,
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but you end up with the same effect you would
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had you done one or the other.
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So hopefully that's clear.
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The other thing is if one's goal
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is really to increase arginine in the blood
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for whatever reason,
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arginine may not actually be the best way to do that
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because of the way it's metabolized in the gut.
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It doesn't have access or get access to the tissues
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that you're most interested in
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in terms of increasing growth hormone
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or vasodilation for that matter.
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And in that case, there's something else called L-citrulline
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which has powerful effects on vasodilation,
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powerful effects on potentially on growth hormone levels
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via the arginine pathway.
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But basically L-citrulline acts as sort of a donor
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or let's say it's kind of a biological prerequisite
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for arginine and can lead to even bigger arginine increases
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than you would get if you took arginine itself.
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And so L-citrulline is out there.
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Keep in mind that anything that dilates the blood vessels
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will lower blood pressure.
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So L-citrulline, yes, will lead to increased blood flow
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for whatever purpose you want to use it for,
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whether or not that's pumps in the gym or whatever.
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It also can lead to big increases
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in arginine and growth hormone,
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but it will lower blood pressure.
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So be aware of that
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and understand that the biology isn't so straightforward.
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L-citrulline may actually be the better way
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to get arginine increases than arginine itself.
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And ornithine can also increase growth hormone,
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although that's also through an indirect pathway.
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And nowadays there isn't a lot of focus on ornithine
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as a way to increase growth hormone.
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That was kind of all the rage in the 90s,
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not so much anymore.
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Nowadays, the people who are really in the know
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for this stuff tend to focus on L-citrulline.
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And if you're interested in L-citrulline or arginine,
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I highly recommend you go to our old friend,
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good friends examine.com,
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because there you can put it into the list.
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You can just put search and it's totally free.
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And it will tell you that blood pressure
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will be slightly decreased.
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Power output in the gym will increase.
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There's very strong effects on blood glucose.
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Fatigue is reduced notably.
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Big increases in nitric oxide.
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That's also related to the increase in vasodilation.
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Plasma, arginine, very high, excuse me,
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notable effects, very high support for studies
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which allow people more training volume,
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aerobic exercise, arterial stiffness is brought down.
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There's a huge list of things.
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Increase in growth hormone.
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So two studies showing this was done double-blind.
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Great, you always want to see double-blind,
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placebo-controlled.
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This was only done in males, not in females.
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Unfortunately, just have data from males.
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But increases in growth hormone,
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it's a small but a real significant effect.
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And again, from quality studies.
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So there's a huge number of effects there.
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And some of the other kind of more interesting ones
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about L-citrulline that you might not have thought about
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are things like muscle oxygenation,
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as we scroll down, decreases in C-reactive protein.
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So a lot of the same things that you might expect,
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excuse me, from the same sorts of compounds we saw before.
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The takeaway here is if you want to increase growth hormone,
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think about the arginine pathway,
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but arginine itself might not be the best direct route
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to get there.
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L-citrulline might be a better option,
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but please do consider and take very seriously
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the effects on blood pressure.
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So we've been talking about big effects
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from supplementation or exercise on growth hormone,
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this extremely powerful hormone.
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And one thing to note is that
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the profile of growth hormone as we age changes.
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I mentioned that earlier,
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but it's important to understand how it changes.
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One thing that's particularly interesting to me
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as somebody who's in his 40s
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is that it's actually between ages 30 and 40,
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that the amount of growth hormone that you release
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each night is reduced by two to threefold.
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That's really incredible.
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We hear so much about testosterone levels going down
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as we age or estrogen levels going down.
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But if you recall from the testosterone and estrogen episode
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talked about the fact that if you really look at the data,
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just for instance, on testosterone,
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there are men in their 90s,
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and they are not rare, it turns out,
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that are making as much testosterone and DHT,
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dihydrotestosterone, as they were in their 20s, okay?
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So we hear so much nowadays about how
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testosterone levels are dropping,
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sperm levels are dropping, et cetera.
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And I don't dispute that.
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I talked about that in that episode.
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But it's clear that testosterone levels
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vary tremendously from person to person.
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And just getting older does not necessarily mean
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that testosterone levels are dropping.
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Growth hormone levels, it seems,
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are dropping when people are in their 30s and 40s,
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and they're dropping substantially.
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And that seems to be the case across the board.
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You're just not going to find people
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in their 40s, 50s, and 60s
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that are making as much growth hormone
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as they were in their teens and 20s.
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And as somebody who, I feel really good,
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but as somebody who definitely noticed
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that as I got into my 40s,
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that even if I slept the same amount,
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I wasn't feeling quite as,
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I would say, able to recover from exercise or wound healing,
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even with the same amount of sleep.
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And I was trying to optimize a great number of things.
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This business of growth hormone
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became of particular interest to me.
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And since the ways to manipulate growth hormone
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in men and in women are so straightforward,
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and since everybody goes through this
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age-related decline very dramatically,
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it seems to me that the things
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that we're supposed to be doing anyway,
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like exercising, like trying not to eat too close to bedtime,
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trying to optimize sleep,
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all of these are wonderful tools
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that we should be pursuing and perhaps using,
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and they can actually offset
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the two to three-fold decrease, right?
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If we're talking about a two to three-fold decrease
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for people that are in their 30s and 40s,
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and then we're talking about increases from exercise
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or from maybe from supplementation,
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but certainly from exercise of 300 to 500%,
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well, then all of a sudden we're in a position
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to actually offset the age-related decline
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and growth hormone completely just through behaviors.
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And I think that's quite interesting and quite powerful.
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Now I'd like to discuss a way
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that anyone can increase their levels
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of growth hormone dramatically.
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And when I say dramatically, I mean dramatically.
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I'll get to the numbers in a couple of minutes,
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but we have to remember how growth hormone
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is released in the first place.
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Remember, it all starts in the brain, in the hypothalamus.
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The hypothalamus is a brain area
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that controls things like sexual behavior,
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temperature regulation, circadian behavior,
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meaning when you want to be awake
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and when you want to be asleep, aggression, all of that.
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There are other brain areas involved too,
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but it has a rich collection of different neurons
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involved in all these very basic functions.
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Now, as we talked about, the releasing hormones,
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the growth hormone releasing hormone
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comes from neurons in the hypothalamus.
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Those then communicate with the pituitary
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and the pituitary releases growth hormone.
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And then the growth hormone acts
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on all these different tissues,
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muscle, liver, cartilage, et cetera, body fat.
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Makes them use energy.
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That's why you lose body fat
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when growth hormone levels are high.
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It makes you grow muscle, strengthens bones, et cetera.
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01:27:08.800
Now, one of the things that has a profound effect
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on growth hormone levels, growth hormone release
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is temperature.
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Now, the data on this are very strong
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and the data come from both animal studies
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and human studies.
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So there are a number of studies that have explored
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how making animals cold or hot can increase growth hormone.
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And if you're guessing which direction this is going to go,
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you can probably imagine that making animals
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or people warmer is the way to go
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if you want to increase growth hormone.
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Now, anytime you're going to increase temperature
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of yourself or anyone else or an animal, it is risky.
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I want to be really clear about this.
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Not everyone should engage in the behaviors
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I'm about to describe.
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But, and I should just say the reason it's risky
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is it doesn't take much of a temperature increase
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in the brain to cook the brain, to cook neurons.
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And after that point, neurons can't come back
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and people can die from hyperthermia.
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We have a much greater range in terms of cold.
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You can also die of hypothermia.
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You can freeze to death.
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But you have a much greater range of getting cold
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than you do warming up the brain.
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However, there are really strong data pointing to the fact
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that sauna, aka deliberate hyperthermia,
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not too high, however,
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that sauna can increase the release of growth hormone
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and other hormones.
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And what's so dramatic about this literature
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is the size of the effects that are reported.
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So first of all, let's talk about
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these temperature increases.
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And yes, I will refer to things that people can do
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even if you don't own a sauna.
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Because I realize not everybody has a sauna
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in their backyard or has access to a sauna.
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So first of all, recall our study about exercise
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where warming up a few degrees before the exercise
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led to bigger and quicker increases in growth hormone
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during the exercise bout itself.
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So that already pointed in the direction
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that temperature was important.
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01:29:14.460
Now, the degrees, no pun intended,
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that we're talking about increasing body temperature
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is by entering saunas that are somewhere
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between 176 degrees Fahrenheit,
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so that's 80 degrees Celsius,
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and all the way up to like 210, 215 degrees Fahrenheit.
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I personally know people that go even higher than that,
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but they've trained themselves to deal with
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with very high heat.
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So again, high heat is dangerous.
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You must clear this with your doctor.
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Now, what happens in high heat?
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Couple of things happen in high heat.
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First of all, you start getting bigger stroke volume
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of the heart, kind of like an exercise.
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Once you get well-trained in endurance activity,
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your stroke volume, the amount of blood
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that your heart can pump each time gets larger.
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You dilate the blood vessels, right?
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There are a lot of things that happen also.
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You're sweating, your body's trying to unload heat.
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So dilation of blood vessels, arginine increases in heat.
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We're starting to see and hear a common theme,
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but it appears that getting into,
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I'm not saying getting the body up to 212 degrees Fahrenheit,
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I want to be very clear,
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not talking about getting the body
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up to 100 degrees Celsius, that would be terrible.
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You would die.
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But entering environments where it's very hot
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for short periods of time,
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anywhere from 20 minutes to 30 minutes,
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where the temperature is 80 degrees Celsius
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to 100 degrees Celsius,
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or 175 degrees Fahrenheit, more or less,
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to about 210 degrees Fahrenheit, more or less,
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has been shown to increase growth hormone release 16 fold.
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That's right, 16 fold, that's 1,600%.
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Now, there are also effects on other hormones,
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prolactin, cortisol, et cetera.
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01:31:00.500
So the pattern that was described in this study,
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and there've been many studies now,
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endocrine effects of rupita sauna were done in 17 humans.
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This was from doing this repeatedly.
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So it wasn't the first time they did this.
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They actually had to do this three days in a row.
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And the pattern was to get into the sauna for 20 minutes,
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followed by a 30 minute cooling period.
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01:31:25.420
Remember, you don't want to spend long periods
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of time at high heat.
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You can cook your brain and other tissues.
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Be very careful as you approach this if you decide to.
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But 30 minutes, excuse me, 20 minutes sauna,
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followed by 30 minutes of cooling,
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followed by 20 minutes sauna, again,
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01:31:40.620
led to a five-fold increase in growth hormone.
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And then by doing that day after day after day,
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on the third day, you would see these huge increases
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of like 16 fold, up to 16 fold.
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01:31:52.640
And there are now many studies like this.
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This was described a few years ago.
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But since then, there have been a number of other studies
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that have pointed in the direction
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01:32:04.020
of deliberate hyperthermia, but not too hot,
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01:32:08.700
that you kill yourself in order to increase growth hormone.
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And I know I keep highlighting the dangers there,
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but again, anytime you're going to mess with heat,
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you have to be cautious, you have to be careful.
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01:32:18.980
So standard sauna can be useful.
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01:32:21.920
If you don't have access to a sauna,
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one way that people do this,
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we have to look to our friends, the wrestlers, right?
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01:32:27.620
They wear plastics, which are basically body suits
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that are fairly inexpensive that you can buy
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on any online purchase platform, I should say.
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01:32:39.700
Some people in the old days
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before they had these plastics things so readily available,
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01:32:46.740
I actually knew people that wrap themselves in garbage bags
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01:32:49.420
and then throw on sweats and a hoodie
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and then go out for a jog.
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01:32:52.140
Again, you have to be really careful,
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01:32:53.500
especially on a hot day, overheating can equate to death,
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01:32:56.680
but that's another way to heat up.
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01:32:58.940
You don't actually need a sauna.
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I've known people who will do this in hotel rooms
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while they're traveling.
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01:33:03.960
They'll turn on the heat, make a hot bath.
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01:33:06.620
They won't actually get in the bath,
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01:33:08.420
but they'll fill the room with steam and heat
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01:33:10.300
and they'll put on a hoodie and some sweat pants
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01:33:14.000
and they'll sit there with wool socks on
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and they'll get warm for 20 minutes.
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Then they'll take a cool shower and then they'll do it again.
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I guess when the hotel's paying the water bill,
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you don't worry about it too much.
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Some people of course own saunas.
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01:33:25.520
There are a lot of ways to do that.
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01:33:26.360
I have friends who were in the military
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01:33:27.740
who made saunas out of cars while they were overseas,
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01:33:30.660
all sorts of things.
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You do have to be careful.
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01:33:32.900
I know I've said it many, many times.
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I just don't want anyone to hurt themselves,
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01:33:35.740
but these increases in growth hormone are tremendous
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and what they probably stem from
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01:33:40.260
are increased activity of neurons within the hypothalamus
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01:33:43.900
that stimulate growth hormone release from the pituitary.
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01:33:46.820
And that's probably because the growth hormone
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01:33:49.900
releasing hormone neurons in the hypothalamus
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01:33:52.700
sit very closely and may even be intermixed
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01:33:56.100
with some of the neurons in the hypothalamus
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01:33:58.280
that regulate heat and body temperature.
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01:34:00.780
Remember metabolism is in part a heat.
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01:34:03.480
It's like a furnace of how much energy you're consuming
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01:34:06.120
and using for building or for energy usage purposes.
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01:34:11.060
So sauna can be very, very interesting.
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01:34:13.620
And again, it's 20 minutes, 30 minute cooling,
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01:34:16.100
20 minutes again, proceed with extreme caution,
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01:34:20.260
but nonetheless, these are pretty extreme effects
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01:34:23.200
in terms of their abilities to increase growth hormone
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levels.
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01:34:27.360
Along the lines of temperature and hormones,
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I just want to mention a very recent study just came out
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01:34:32.700
March, April, 2021, endocrine effects
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01:34:36.100
of repeated hot thermal stress
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01:34:38.000
and cold water immersion in young adult men.
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01:34:40.480
Unfortunately, it was just in men.
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01:34:41.500
They didn't look at women, but nonetheless,
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01:34:43.360
I think the data are relevant to everybody
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01:34:45.300
as a general theme.
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01:34:46.600
This is Podstowski et al.
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I will put a link to the study in the caption
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01:34:52.500
and they looked at testosterone, prolactin, cortisol,
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01:34:56.040
et cetera.
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01:34:57.060
And what they found was that the sauna does indeed lead
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01:35:01.860
to a significant decrease in cortisol, a stress hormone,
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01:35:05.040
a hormone that you want to be released early in the day
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01:35:07.620
when you wake up,
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01:35:08.740
but sauna definitely led to a significant decrease
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01:35:12.520
in cortisol, but did not change testosterone, DHEA
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01:35:15.940
or prolactin levels.
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01:35:17.500
So that's interesting.
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01:35:19.080
And it turns out that the cold did affect
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01:35:23.100
some of these hormones,
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01:35:24.620
but the results there were a little bit more mixed.
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01:35:27.600
So the takeaway here is that heat seems to have
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01:35:30.500
positive effects on growth hormone, big effects.
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01:35:33.340
It seems to have positive effects
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01:35:35.060
on reducing cortisol levels.
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01:35:37.620
And it does not seem to have effects on things
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01:35:40.020
like testosterone, DHEA or prolactin directly.
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01:35:42.780
You can imagine that a shift in any hormone
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01:35:44.620
is going to alter the levels of other hormones
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01:35:47.180
down the line, sort of indirect effects,
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01:35:49.400
but in terms of direct effects,
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01:35:51.340
just during or immediately after the sauna bath,
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01:35:54.820
there were no effects.
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01:35:57.000
So we've talked about diet, supplementation,
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01:36:00.540
behavioral tools, and of course,
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01:36:03.460
we talked about the underlying biology and logic.
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01:36:06.800
And hopefully you heard the safety precautions
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01:36:10.060
for all of those.
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01:36:11.820
Now I'd like to just briefly talk about
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the prescription side of all this.
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01:36:17.340
There are, as we know, many people taking growth hormone
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01:36:21.580
because it's been prescribed to them by a doctor.
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01:36:23.420
And presumably there are people taking growth hormone
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01:36:25.580
even though it has not been prescribed by a doctor,
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01:36:27.860
which is none of my business.
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01:36:30.020
But the point here is that most all of the hormones
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01:36:34.580
that we make have been synthesized.
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01:36:37.260
So there are versions of them in little bottles
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01:36:40.060
or little ampules that people can inject.
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01:36:42.780
Here are a couple of important things to consider.
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01:36:44.760
If you're going to go that route.
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01:36:46.860
First of all, talk to a physician, right?
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01:36:49.260
They actually are only legally available through a physician.
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01:36:53.580
Second of all, anytime you're injecting something,
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01:36:55.700
you're going to shut down your own production.
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01:36:57.540
That's the way that the hormone system works.
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01:36:59.380
If you take thyroid hormone,
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01:37:00.660
you won't make thyroid hormone, at least in the long run.
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01:37:04.060
If you take testosterone,
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01:37:06.460
you will shut down your own production of testosterone.
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01:37:09.500
If you take estrogen, the system's a little more resilient,
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01:37:12.900
but eventually you will shut down
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01:37:14.140
your production of estrogen.
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01:37:15.680
And the same is true for growth hormone.
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01:37:18.020
So a decision to go that route of taking something
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01:37:22.420
is often not always a decision to do it forever.
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01:37:25.140
However, if you're willing to sustain a period
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01:37:27.660
of being without a given hormone,
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01:37:29.980
some people can do things and then stop taking them
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01:37:33.460
and then wait out the period
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01:37:35.420
in which they're not making testosterone,
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01:37:37.980
estrogen, or growth hormone, and then it will come back.
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01:37:40.180
Sometimes, and sometimes it won't.
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01:37:41.920
There's a kind of new area that's developing now
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01:37:46.060
that I think deserves our attention,
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01:37:48.160
not because I'm encouraging it, but because it is happening.
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01:37:51.320
And in keeping with the science
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01:37:54.240
and in keeping with trying to keep things modern,
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01:37:58.000
it's worth us discussing, and those are peptides.
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01:38:00.420
So these days you hear a lot about peptides.
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01:38:02.960
I'd like to clarify a little bit about what peptides are.
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01:38:06.000
Peptides is a really huge category of biological compounds.
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01:38:10.800
Peptides are just strings of amino acids, right?
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01:38:13.920
So we've talked about L-tyrosine, arginine, ornithine.
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01:38:16.400
Those are amino acids.
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01:38:17.240
Those are individual amino acids.
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01:38:18.760
And those are put together into little small peptides
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01:38:22.960
or they're what are called polypeptides,
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01:38:25.220
which are just longer peptides.
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01:38:28.040
Turns out that for any substance like growth hormone
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01:38:31.320
or growth hormone-releasing hormone,
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01:38:32.920
it's made up of different amino acids
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01:38:34.520
in different sequences, just like your genes are made up
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01:38:36.960
of As and Gs and Cs and Ts,
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01:38:39.440
nucleotides in different sequences.
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01:38:41.040
It's like a recipe.
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01:38:43.560
Peptides tend to be short sequences of amino acids
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01:38:48.080
that resemble a hormone enough
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01:38:50.760
or resemble some other peptide enough
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01:38:53.440
that it can lead to the similar or same effects
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01:38:55.960
when you inject them.
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01:38:57.100
So for example, we make growth hormone-releasing hormone
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01:39:01.320
from our brain, which stimulates growth hormone
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01:39:03.220
from the pituitary.
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01:39:04.060
You're probably getting tired of me saying that by now.
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But people now will take things like sermorelin,
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01:39:11.620
S-E-R-M-O-R-E-L-I-N, sermorelin,
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01:39:16.760
which is not the entire peptide sequence
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01:39:19.520
of growth hormone-releasing hormone,
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01:39:21.460
but it's a subset of those.
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01:39:23.040
And when people inject it before they go to sleep at night,
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01:39:25.480
is typically how it's done on an empty stomach,
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01:39:27.600
then that stimulates the release of growth hormone
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01:39:30.160
from the pituitary.
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01:39:31.280
So this is not taking growth hormone.
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01:39:33.520
This is taking the stimulating hormone
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01:39:36.040
or what's often called a secretagogue or a mimic, all right?
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01:39:40.160
It causes a secretion of the hormone that one wants.
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01:39:44.020
People will do this for thyroid hormone too.
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01:39:45.720
Some people are doing this by prescription
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01:39:48.080
with a real medical need.
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01:39:49.240
Other people are doing it for just longevity reasons,
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01:39:52.120
which kind of falls into that gray zone
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01:39:54.040
of they wouldn't die without it,
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01:39:55.760
but they want to enhance their life.
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01:39:57.480
And so they're doing that
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01:39:58.600
because they believe it's the right thing for them.
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01:40:00.360
Prescription, sermorelin is prescription.
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01:40:03.060
Do they work?
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01:40:03.960
Yes.
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01:40:05.480
Do they shut down your natural production
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01:40:08.000
of growth hormone-releasing hormone?
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01:40:10.720
Well, the answer is yes,
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01:40:13.300
but some of these peptides actually have the effect
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01:40:16.360
of changing gene expression.
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01:40:18.380
Remember way back to the beginning
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01:40:19.640
when I was talking about hormones,
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01:40:21.000
they can actually change gene expression
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01:40:22.720
and they can actually set pathways in motion
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01:40:25.600
for continued production of a hormone
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01:40:27.540
even if you stop taking the compound.
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01:40:29.880
Now that can be good or that can be bad
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01:40:31.740
because as you recall, growth hormone
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01:40:33.600
in big increases in growth hormone that are short-lived
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01:40:37.000
like sauna or I should say exercise or arginine or sauna,
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01:40:41.840
it seems like has these huge effects,
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01:40:45.220
or early nights, first phase of sleep early in the night,
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01:40:49.120
these sorts of things.
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01:40:50.880
Those are transient,
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01:40:52.700
but when one is injecting over and over a constant level,
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01:40:56.280
you can put into action gene expression programs
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01:40:59.280
that can be long-lived.
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01:41:00.400
And let's say you have a particular tumor in the body,
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01:41:03.400
tumors will grow when they see growth hormone
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01:41:05.540
even if that tumor is unhealthy for you, right?
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01:41:08.320
You've got growth of tissues all over the body.
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01:41:10.080
So again, I'm not saying whether or not
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people should do these things or not doing them.
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01:41:13.080
One thing I do know is that they are in very prominent use
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01:41:16.700
in the movie industry,
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01:41:17.780
people who want to peel off body fat quickly,
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01:41:19.660
they do increase recovery time, they increase healing rates,
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01:41:22.920
people are also injecting things like gastric peptides,
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they're actually stomach peptides
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that we talked about in the previous episode,
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things related to the ghrelin pathway
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and other things from the liver
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that can improve the rate of tissue and wound healing.
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You can bet that in the upcoming Olympics,
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a lot of people are using peptides and compounds
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and I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular,
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it's just this is separate from hormone augmentation
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of like injecting gh or injecting testosterone.
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People are now working further up the pathways.
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Other names of some of the peptides
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are things like hypermorulin, tessomorulin.
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Some of these have clinical uses,
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others have just been made as compounds for people
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in the kind of longevity field
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or the self-augmentation field, if you will.
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So again, not promoting their use,
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but they're definitely out there
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and so now if you hear about them
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or someone's talking to you about them,
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now hopefully you have a better understanding
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about their underlying biology
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and you can think rationally about whether or not
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they are the right decision for you.
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Okay, once again, covered an enormous amount of material.
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Hopefully now you understand thyroid hormone
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and what it does and a little bit about its mechanism
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or maybe a lot and growth hormone and what it does
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and how both of them take care of our metabolism.
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They dictate how many nutrients we can eat and make use of.
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They can pull from body fat stores, repair muscle,
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repair cartilage, they really are incredible compounds
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and they are actionable.
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They're things that we can do
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like getting that early phase of sleep,
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perhaps supplementing with arginine, maybe not,
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hopefully getting adequate exercise, warming up properly,
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not making the exercise too long or too intense will help,
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maybe sauna or things like it,
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deliberate safe hyperthermia, the emphasis on safe
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might be things that are of use.
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Regardless, even if you're not interested in the thyroid
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or the growth hormone pathways,
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this brings to a close our month on hormones
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and so now hopefully you understand
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not just thyroid and growth hormone,
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but the logic that underlies thyroid hormone,
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growth hormone, estrogen, testosterone,
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why we eat, why we stop eating, cholecystokinin, ghrelin.
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If these names don't mean anything to you,
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then perhaps go back and listen to those episodes
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but regardless, I hope that you come away from this
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with a deeper understanding about these hormones
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which are so powerful in controlling
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the way our brain functions
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and the interplay between the brain and hormones
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because it is really a bi-directional conversation.
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The brain is telling the body what hormones to make,
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the hormones are influencing all the tissues of the body
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but also telling the brain whether or not to eat more
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or grow more or think more, et cetera.
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