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The Science of How to Optimize Testosterone & Estrogen | Huberman Lab Podcast #15



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Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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where we discuss science and science-based tools
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for everyday life.
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I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology
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and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine.
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This podcast is separate from my teaching
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and research roles at Stanford.
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It is, however, part of my desire and effort
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to bring zero cost to consumer information
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about science and science-related tools
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Before we begin today, just want to acknowledge
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that if you're watching this on YouTube,
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yes, I have a bandage on the left side of my face.
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I was trying to cook something for Costello and I,
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and I got burned, burned myself.
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It was a cooking accident, I'm fine,
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no need to dwell on it, we can move on.
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But I just wanted to let you know,
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everybody's going to be okay.
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He got a great meal, I got a burn and a great meal.
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This month on the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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we're talking all about hormones,
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these incredible chemicals that can impact our mood,
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our behavior, our feelings of optimism or pessimism.
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The amazing thing about hormones
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is that hormones impact all those things,
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but all those things, how we feel and what we do
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and what we think also can impact our hormones.
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And so it's a really fascinating area of biology
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that impacts every single one of us every day,
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both in wakefulness and in sleep and throughout the lifespan
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Today, we're going to be talking about hormone optimization
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and we're mainly going to be focusing on estrogen
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and testosterone and their derivatives.
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Last episode of the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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we talked about sexual development.
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That is how the chromosomes, the gonads and hormones
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impact what we call sexual development
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leading all the way up to puberty.
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Today, we're mainly going to talk about processes
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that happen from puberty onward.
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Although we might talk a little bit
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about development as well.
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So today we're going to talk a lot about basic biology,
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but we're going to weave in a lot of practical tools
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along the way for how to optimize
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these incredibly powerful things that we call hormones.
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Before we dive into our discussion
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about hormone optimization,
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I want to raise what I think is a very important point
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that at least I hadn't heard of until recently,
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which is the concept of salutogenesis.
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Many of us are familiar with the concept of pathogenesis,
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the idea that there are all these scary diseases
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like dementia and heart disease and stroke
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and all these things that await us
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if we don't take good care of ourselves
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and that might await us even if we do.
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That's the pathogenic model.
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Salutogenesis is something I learned about
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from one of my Stanford Medicine colleagues,
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which is a different orientation toward health
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and wellbeing where you're taking on particular behaviors,
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you're taking on a particular stance towards nutrition
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and exercise, supplementation, et cetera,
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in order to promote wellbeing above where you would be
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if you were not doing those behaviors.
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If you think about these two things,
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salutogenesis and the pathogenic model
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are really two sides of the same coin,
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but I'll just give an example
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of how this might affect you in a real way.
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If you like exercise because it feels good, great,
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but many people exercise or eat well for that matter
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in order to avoid heart disease or to avoid dementia,
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to avoid negative changes in body composition.
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And while that's powerful and certainly is the case,
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that exercise will help you move away from all those things,
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the salutogenesis model differs in that
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it involves a mindset and an orientation
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towards doing those things in order to feel good,
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in order to enhance your level of energy,
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in order to improve endocrine function
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and metabolic function.
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So it's really part of the pathogenic model
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and yet salutogenesis is really more of a mindset
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toward why you would do these particular behaviors.
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And really the most powerful mindset is going to be one
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where you are thinking about the pathogenic model,
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doing things so that you don't end up sick, et cetera,
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and to move away from sickness,
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as well as the salutogenic model,
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where you're doing things
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in order to move towards health and wellbeing.
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We think of health and wellness nowadays
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or the wellness community or wellness practices,
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and in many ways,
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that is the essence of the salutogenic model,
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but I found it very interesting to know
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that within the field of allopathic medicine,
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these two models exist,
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but we don't hear about the salutogenic model
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quite as often.
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So it's just something to keep in mind,
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especially because of some of the mindset effects
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that were discussed in previous episodes.
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I'm not going to go into these in detail again right now,
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but if you might recall from the episode on food and mood,
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we talked about some of these incredible studies
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that were done by Alia Crum's group at Stanford and others,
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showing that if you tell people
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that the behavior that they're about to do,
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in this case, it was people cleaning up hotel rooms
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because that was their job,
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if you tell them that it's good for them,
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then you see much greater positive health effects
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than if they aren't aware of that information,
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that it's good for them.
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So we should really be thinking about
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not just moving away from disease and negative things,
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but also why certain things are good for us,
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because it's well-established now
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from really good scientific studies,
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that keeping in mind the positive effects of things
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can really have an outsized effect on wellbeing
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right down to the level of our physiology.
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So let's talk about hormone optimization.
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Today, we're going to talk about hormone optimization
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in reference to estrogen and testosterone
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and their derivatives.
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Now, estrogen and testosterone and their derivatives
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are what we call sex steroids.
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Now, the sex steroids immediately call to mind sex,
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for obvious reasons,
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and steroids, meaning anabolic steroids.
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But I just want to emphasize that estrogen and testosterone
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are present in everybody.
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It's their ratios that determine their effects.
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So today, we're going to talk about
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how you can optimize their ratios
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depending on your particular life goals,
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because the ratio of estrogen and testosterone
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in every individual has profound influence
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on feelings of wellbeing, feelings of optimism,
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feelings of anxiety or lack of anxiety,
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on reproduction, on sexual behavior
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independent of reproduction.
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They are profoundly powerful molecules,
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and we all make these molecules to some degree or another,
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but there are also important behavioral tools,
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supplementation tools, as well as prescription drugs
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that can impact the ratios of testosterone and estrogen
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in really powerful ways.
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So we're going to cover all of that.
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I want to emphasize that when you hear sex steroids
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or steroid hormones,
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most people think about anabolic steroids.
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And of course, anabolic steroids
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are derivatives of testosterone or testosterone itself.
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And they are heavily used and abused
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in the sports community,
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as well as outside the sports community.
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But there, of course, are many steroids
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that are not anabolic steroids
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that are also abused in sports.
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Today, we're not talking about drugs and sports,
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but I think that it carries such a heavy weight
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when people hear the word steroids,
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they think about anabolic steroids.
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So while today's discussion will certainly be relevant
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to physical performance, in fact,
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we're going to talk about how specific types of exercise,
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particular patterns of cold exposure,
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as well as particular patterns, believe it or not,
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of breathing can impact sex steroid hormones,
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both estrogen and testosterone.
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The discussion isn't really geared
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towards performance enhancement in sport,
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although we will do an entire episode,
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perhaps even an entire month
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related to performance enhancement in physical enterprises.
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So one of the first things to understand
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if you want to optimize your hormones
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is where they come from.
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There are a lot of different glands in the body
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that produce hormones.
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There's the pineal gland.
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Some hormones are made in the hypothalamus.
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Hormones are made by the gonads,
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the ovaries or the testes.
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You've got the thyroid gland.
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There are a bunch of different glands
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that make these different hormones,
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but when we're talking about the sex steroid hormones,
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estrogen and testosterone,
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the major sources are ovaries for estrogen
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and the testes for testosterone,
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although the adrenals can also make testosterone.
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Now, there are also some enzymes.
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Enzymes are things that can change chemical composition,
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and the enzymes that we're going to talk about today
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are the aromatases mainly.
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The aromatases convert testosterone into estrogen.
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So in a male, for instance, that has very high testosterone,
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some of that is going to be converted
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into estrogen by aromatase,
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and aromatase is made by body fat.
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It's also made in the testes themselves.
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A lot of people don't realize this,
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but the testes actually have the capacity
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to manufacture estrogen and aromatase, albeit at low levels,
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but this turns out to be important
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for optimizing hormone levels in males at later points,
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and we'll discuss that.
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It's important to note that there's a huge range
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in terms of the levels of hormones,
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testosterone and estrogen, between individuals,
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and it actually occurs
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within individuals across the lifespan.
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I'm not going to throw out specific numbers
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of X picograms per deciliter, et cetera, today,
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because that's going to vary a lot.
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It's going to depend on whether or not
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you're measuring in picograms or nanograms
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and that sort of thing.
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If you want to examine your hormones,
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you should do that in conjunction with a medical doctor,
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ideally an endocrinologist,
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can help you sort out that information,
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but the important thing to know is that
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prepubescent females make very little estrogen,
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and when we talk about estrogen,
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we mainly talk about estradiol,
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which is the most active form of estrogen
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in both males and females.
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So prepubescent females, very low levels of estrogen.
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During puberty, levels of estrogen,
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AKA estradiol, basically skyrocket,
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and then across the lifespan,
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estrogen is going to vary
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depending on the stage of the menstrual cycle,
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but as one heads into menopause,
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which typically takes place nowadays,
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somewhere between age 45 and 60,
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levels of estrogen are going to drop,
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and then post-menopause levels of estrogen are very low.
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As well, testosterone will fluctuate across the lifespan.
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Testosterone is going to be relatively low,
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pre-puberty in males.
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During puberty, it's going to skyrocket,
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and then the current numbers are that it drops off
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at about a rate of 1% per year,
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although we're going to talk about some data
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that show that there's actually
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tremendous variation in testosterone levels.
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There's actually a lot of examples of men in their 90s,
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their 90s, who still have testosterone levels
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that mimic pubertal levels, which is remarkable
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and speaks to the huge variation in testosterone levels
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across individuals.
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So let's talk about other sources of these hormones,
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and then it will make clear what avenues
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you might want to take in order to optimize these hormones.
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The other glands and tissues in the body
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that make these hormones, testosterone and estrogen,
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as I mentioned briefly, are the adrenals.
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So the adrenals right up top the kidneys,
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and the release of these steroid hormones from the adrenals,
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in particular testosterone
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and some of its related derivatives,
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are mainly activated by competition.
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So let's talk about competition,
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because it turns out that competition
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is a powerful influence on the sex steroid hormones,
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and the sex steroid hormones
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powerfully influence competition.
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So most people don't realize this,
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but most males of a given mammalian species
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never get to reproduce.
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In fact, they never even get to have sex at all.
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And we don't often think about that,
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but testosterone plays a powerful role
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in determining which members of a given species
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will get to reproduce,
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which ones of that species
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will actually get access to females.
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And so here I'm not talking about humans specifically,
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but it's well-known in species like elephant seals,
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in species like antlered animals and rams, for instance,
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that the higher levels of testosterone
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correlate with access to females.
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Now, one interpretation of this
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is that the females are detecting
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which males have high testosterone and selecting them.
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They're more receptive to them.
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We're going to talk about receptivity for mating
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in a moment.
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But it's actually more so
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that the males that have higher testosterone
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forage further and will fight harder for the females.
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And this is really interesting
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because there's very good evidence now
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that testosterone can reduce anxiety,
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promote novelty seeking,
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and promote competitive interactions.
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And so before you leap too far with this in your mind
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and think about all these human behaviors,
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just stay with me
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because there's a little bit of biology here
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that makes it all make sense.
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And it turns out to be pretty simple.
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We have a brain region called the amygdala.
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In Latin, that just means almond.
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But the amygdala is most famous for its role in fear.
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We hear a lot about fear and the amygdala.
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But the amygdala is really involved in threat detection.
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It sets our thresholds for anxiety
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and what we consider scary or too much.
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Testosterone, secreted from the gonads
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and elsewhere in the body,
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binds to the amygdala
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and changes the threshold for stress.
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So I've said before on previous versions of this podcast
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and on other podcasts,
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that testosterone has this incredible effect
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of making effort feel good.
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But what I was really referring to
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is the fact that testosterone lowers stress and anxiety,
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in particular, in males of a given species.
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Now, this is important
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because we often think of testosterone
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as creating whatever,
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masculinization or it's, you know,
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virilization or all these terms are thrown around.
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But what's it really doing
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when it comes to mate choice and competition?
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What it's doing is it's reducing the threshold for anxiety.
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And in doing so,
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it selects individuals of a given species
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to push further,
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being willing to, you know, suffer more,
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although it also reduces pain,
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so maybe they also suffer less,
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in pursuit of reproduction in females.
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Now, it's well-known in humans
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that both males and females
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who have elevated levels of testosterone
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will engage in more novelty seeking.
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And I do want to point out
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that even individuals without testes have testosterone
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and peaks in testosterone have similar effects,
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regardless of whether or not someone has ovaries or testes.
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Testosterone increases
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generally lead to more foraging,
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more novelty seeking,
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increases in libido and increases in desire to mate.
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So it is the case that increases in testosterone
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promote competitive and foraging type behaviors
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in humans and in non-human mammals.
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But it's also true that competition itself
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can increase androgens such as testosterone.
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I want to repeat that.
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Competitive environments themselves
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can increase testosterone.
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Now, some people have come to the conclusion
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that if you win, your testosterone goes up,
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and if you lose, your testosterone goes down.
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And to some extent that's true,
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but that's not a direct effect on the gonads.
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That's actually mediated by the neuromodulator dopamine.
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We talked about dopamine in the episode
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on motivation and drive.
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And dopamine and testosterone
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have a remarkable interplay in the body.
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Dopamine is actually released in the brain
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in ways that has the pituitary,
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this gland that sits over the roof of your mouth,
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release certain hormones that then go on
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to promote the release of more testosterone.
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And indeed, winning promotes more dopamine
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and later more testosterone.
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However, in the short term,
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just competing increases testosterone
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independent of whether or not you win or lose.
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So the short version of this
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is that competition increases testosterone.
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And this may be an ancient mechanism
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whereby the androgens such as testosterone
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are feeding back to encourage
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more competitive type behaviors.
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Because every species,
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whether or not you're talking about reproduction
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or other resource allocation,
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is involved in competition.
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Not every individual of a species
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gets access to the same number of mates
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or the same quality of mates.
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And this is true in both directions
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for males and females and everything in between.
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So I just want to emphasize once more,
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in case I went through it too quickly,
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that increases in testosterone in females
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are also going to lead to increase in reproductive behavior
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or seeking out reproductive behavior.
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They increase libido.
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In fact, there's a particular phase of the menstrual cycle
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where testosterone peaks just before ovulation
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that on average leads female humans to seek out sex
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more than they would otherwise during their cycle.
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And this is all by self-report,
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but this is also while measuring things like testosterone,
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estrogen ratios, and so forth.
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So it's really interesting that a single molecule,
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regardless of chromosomal or gonadal background,
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is increasing seeking of mates across individuals,
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increasing desire to compete or willingness to compete,
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and lowering the threshold for stress and anxiety.
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It's important to point out
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that while increases in testosterone
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promote seeking of mates and reproduction
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in both males and females,
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in females, it's actually increases in estrogen
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that promote receptivity to mating.
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So testosterone is driving the seeking of sex
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and estrogen is promoting the actual act of sex
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from females, so-called receptivity, consensual receptivity.
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In males, it's interesting to point out
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that testosterone is promoting seeking of sex,
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but it's also estrogen in males that's important for libido.
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If estrogen levels are brought too low,
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then men will completely lose their libido.
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This is often not discussed or overlooked
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in the discussion about testosterone therapy
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and performance-enhancing drugs.
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People think that hyperandrogenized individuals,
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meaning people that have very high levels of androgen,
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will have very high levels of libido,
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and they will provided estrogen is available
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in sufficient ratios to match that testosterone.
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So it's not simply the case
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that high levels of testosterone
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produce a lot of sex and mating behavior
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and low levels of estrogen are good across the board.
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You actually need both in both males and females.
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It's just that in females,
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the testosterone levels are always going to be lower
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than the estrogen levels.
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And in males, the estrogen levels
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are always going to be lower than testosterone levels.
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So testosterone promotes sex-seeking behavior.
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And the real question then is,
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does sex itself promote testosterone?
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And the answer is somewhat complicated,
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but the short version is yes.
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And as you recall, sex has multiple stages.
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So there's the physical act of sex,
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there's the seeking of sex,
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and then there's orgasm and ejaculation.
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Now, it's important to distinguish between these
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because whether or not sex itself increases testosterone
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depends on whether or not the male ejaculates.
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And this is very important to understand
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because on a previous episode,
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I mentioned how dopamine increases with sexual activity.
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Remember, dopamine and testosterone
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tend to increase linearly with one another.
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But then after ejaculation, there's a release of prolactin,
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and prolactin actually sets the refractory period in males
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during which he can't have sex again.
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And the duration of the refractory period
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will vary tremendously depending on how much
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and how long that prolactin release occurs.
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I also described in a previous episode
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how some people take vitamin B6,
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I'm not suggesting anyone do this,
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but take vitamin B6 in order to reduce prolactin levels
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and thereby reduce the duration of the refractory period.
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But getting at this question
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about testosterone and sexual behavior,
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it's important to distinguish
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between these different phases of reproduction
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or reproductive behaviors.
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So there are studies showing
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that sexual behavior itself can increase testosterone.
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There was a study published in 2011 from Escasa et al.,
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E-S-C-A-S-A, this is the stuff of textbooks,
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this is on PubMed, these are quality studies,
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showing that men who observe sex,
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so I guess this would be observing pornography,
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will have slight increases in testosterone
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during the observation.
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These people actually were willing to have blood draws taken
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while watching pornography.
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They had increases in testosterone
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that were very modest of about 10%.
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Whereas when people participated in sex,
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they actually did this study where people had blood draws
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and they had real sex with their partners,
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and they had 70% increases in testosterone.
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So there are increases in testosterone
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that are quite significant during the physical act of sex
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and far less so during observing sex.
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Now, the question that I often get,
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in fact, it's one of the questions I get most often
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in the comments on YouTube, I don't know why that is,
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is whether or not ejaculation adjusts testosterone levels.
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And it turns out there are two studies that I could find
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that were quality studies on PubMed that addressed this,
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that sex and ejaculation itself
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does not reduce testosterone levels,
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although it will increase prolactin levels
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for the reasons I described a moment ago.
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However, abstinence or sex without ejaculation
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for a week or more will increase testosterone levels
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up to 400%.
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So the answer is actually complicated.
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It's not straightforward.
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What it means is that sex itself increases testosterone.
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However, abstinence also increases testosterone
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even further.
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So it's a nuanced answer.
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And I hope this is satisfactory, no pun intended,
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to those of you that have been asking me
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what is the relationship between sex and ejaculation
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and testosterone and dopamine?
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It is nuanced.
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And you have to understand that nuance
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if you want to understand how certain behaviors
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impact hormones and how hormones impact those behaviors.
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As I mentioned before, in females,
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testosterone also primes the motivation to seek out sex.
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And sex itself also increases testosterone,
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but it also increases prolactin.
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So in both men and women,
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sex increases prolactin post-sex.
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It's just the way that the system works.
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It's that testosterone and dopamine increase
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in the seeking out and the behavior of sex.
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And then after sex, prolactin levels go up.
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There's kind of a quiescence.
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The whole nervous system is promoted towards calm.
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And this may actually have something to do with pair bonding
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and the encouragement of individuals
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to spend more time together to exchange different smells
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and hormones and maybe even pheromones.
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And we're going to talk about pheromones in a moment.
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A few years ago, there was a lot of excitement
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about the hormone DHEA,
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which is mainly made by the adrenals.
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DHEA has been promoted as kind of a catchall
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for increasing testosterone and estrogen
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in males and females.
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And indeed, DHEA will increase
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both testosterone and estrogen.
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This is something to be mindful of
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if you're thinking about taking DHEA
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or you're taking DHEA already.
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DHEA will increase both testosterone and estrogen
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and the extent to which it increases one or the other
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will depend on whether or not you're starting off
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with more estrogen than testosterone
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or whether or not you're starting off
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with more testosterone than estrogen
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and whether or not you have a lot of aromatase.
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So for individuals that have a lot of aromatase
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being made by the testes or by body fat,
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if you take DHEA, there's a good chance
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that a fair portion of that is going to be shuttled
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towards estrogen production
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and not towards testosterone production.
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Whereas in individuals that have low levels of testosterone
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to begin with, high levels of estrogen,
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there's a good chance that the DHEA
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is going to promote mainly estrogen production.
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At least that's what I could find
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from the research studies that I examined.
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So the way to think about DHEA,
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it's a kind of global promoter of the sex steroid hormones
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and its specific effects are going to depend
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a little bit on where you started
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and whether or not you have ovaries or testes.
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So just as there are behaviors
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that can increase testosterone,
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00:28:48.580
there are behaviors that can decrease testosterone.
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And one of the most well-characterized ones in humans
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is becoming a parent.
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00:28:58.320
So expecting fathers have an almost 50% decrease
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in testosterone levels, both free and bound testosterone.
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As well, their cortisol levels, a stress hormone,
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drop by almost threefold, which is incredible.
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And their estradiol levels double,
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so their estrogen levels double.
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00:29:20.200
So expecting fathers, many people have known,
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put on additional body weight.
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Everyone always thought that it's because they're eating
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in parallel with their pregnant wife,
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but it turns out that these effects of reduced testosterone,
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increased estradiol, and reduced cortisol
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can all be explained by an increase in prolactin.
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So not just in humans, but in other species as well.
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When the male and female of that species
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are expecting young, they lay down more body fat.
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The assumption is that this is to prepare
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for long nights of no sleep,
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which occurs in many species, not just in humans.
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So it's really interesting that this hormone prolactin
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can start suppressing whole categories of hormones,
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sex steroid hormones,
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and can start increasing whole categories of other ones.
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00:30:08.040
So we hear about the dad bod.
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There are a lot of explanations for the dad bod
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that extend well beyond this podcast episode,
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but it is a well-known phenomenon
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that testosterone is going to drop,
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prolactin's going to increase,
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estradiol's going to increase in males and females
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that are expecting children.
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00:30:25.940
Now, how long that lasts is very interesting.
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It actually has to do with how much contact
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and how much contact with the smells of the baby,
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of the offspring the father happens to have.
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So how available or unavailable he is
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will actually impact his level of hormones.
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Now, I am definitely not promoting the idea
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that fathers or mothers take time away from their offspring
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in order to keep their testosterone levels high
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or to restore them.
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That's not what I'm saying at all.
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It's just interesting to point out
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that these evolutionary mechanisms push us toward
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or bias us toward particular categories of behaviors
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by influencing our hormones,
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which then feed back and promote more
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of that particular behavior.
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Because as I mentioned before,
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peaks in testosterone in males and females
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cause individuals to seek sex, not promote parenting.
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Whereas reductions in testosterone, increases in prolactin,
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and decreases in cortisol move individuals of both sexes
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toward parenting behavior
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and less toward reproductive behavior.
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00:31:23.780
The other behavior that markedly reduces testosterone
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in both males and females
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and markedly reduces the desire for seeking sex
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00:31:32.260
and sex itself is illness.
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And many of you might say, well, duh,
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when people don't feel sick,
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they don't feel like seeking out mates
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and they don't feel like having sex.
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00:31:41.620
But have you ever wondered why that actually is?
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Well, it turns out that it can be explained by the release
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of what are called inflammatory cytokines.
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So cytokines are related to the immune system.
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They travel in the lymph and in the blood
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and they attack invader cells like bacteria and viruses.
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And under conditions of illness,
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we make a lot of different cytokines.
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Some of them are anti-inflammatory,
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but some of them are pro-inflammatory.
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And the best known example of a pro-inflammatory cytokine
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is IL-6.
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And it's known that IL-6 when injected into individuals
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will decrease the desire for sex
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00:32:17.700
and eventually will reduce levels of testosterone
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and estrogen independent of feeling lousy.
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00:32:23.620
So the reason why people don't want sex when they're sick
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is because levels of IL-6 are increased.
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Now, this is important because as we start to think about
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the different ways to modulate the sex steroid hormones,
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so-called optimize the hormones,
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00:32:38.380
keeping levels of IL-6 low is going to be important
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for them to exert their effects.
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00:32:44.100
Now, IL-6 doesn't just travel to the gonads
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and shut down the gonads.
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00:32:47.500
It actually has ways to interact
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with some of the receptors that the steroid hormones,
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estrogen and testosterone bind to,
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and impact those receptors
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so that the sex steroid hormones can't have their effect.
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In short, and put simply,
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inflammatory cytokines like IL-6
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are bad for sex steroid hormones.
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And so we're going to talk about how to modulate IL-6
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in the direction that you would want
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and how to increase another cytokine called IL-10,
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00:33:13.300
which is anti-inflammatory in ways that can help promote
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or at least support the sex steroid hormones.
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So as we move forward,
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we're going to now start to consider
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what sorts of behavioral practices,
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as well as other things,
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can modulate the sex steroid hormones
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in the directions that you want them to go.
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But before we do that,
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and in order to set the stage for that,
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you should be asking yourself,
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how is it or why is it at a mechanistic level
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00:33:41.100
that behaviors can modulate hormones at all?
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If you think about it,
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it's kind of strange that just the mere act
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of being a parent or parenting
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00:33:49.500
can change testosterone levels so dramatically
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or estradiol levels so dramatically.
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00:33:54.580
What is it?
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Is it the sweat of the baby?
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Is it their saliva?
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00:33:58.340
Is it the sight of the baby?
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00:33:59.720
Is it holding the baby?
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Or is it all those things?
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It turns out that many of those effects
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are because of smell,
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or in some cases, even possibly pheromones.
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Now I talked about hormones.
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Hormones, again, are a chemical,
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travels in the body,
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impacts tissues and cells elsewhere in the body.
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A pheromone is a chemical that's released
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by one member of a species
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00:34:20.700
that goes and impacts members elsewhere,
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00:34:24.060
but of the same species or even of other species.
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00:34:26.940
Now pheromone effects are absolutely well-established
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in lots of animal species,
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00:34:32.340
but they are very controversial in humans.
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Today, I'm going to talk about
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some of the well-established ones in animals.
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I've mentioned one or two of these before
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on previous podcasts,
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but I haven't mentioned several of them.
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And I'm going to talk about the evidence
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for pheromones in humans that are well-established.
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So the main ones in animals that are discussed
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are called the Leibniz effect,
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00:34:56.060
the Witten effect, the Bruce effect,
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00:34:57.500
and the Vandenberg effect,
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00:34:58.460
named after the people that discovered them.
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00:35:01.500
The Leibniz effect is when you house females
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00:35:04.100
of a given species together with no males,
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00:35:07.360
they start displaying longer,
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00:35:08.900
what are called estrous cycles.
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00:35:10.340
In many species, they don't have menstrual cycles,
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which are 28 days.
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00:35:13.820
They have estrous cycles,
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00:35:15.140
which tend to be four days or some variant thereof.
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00:35:20.100
It's an interesting phenomenon
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00:35:21.460
because what it means is that the presence of the male
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itself is changing the ovulation cycle.
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00:35:28.120
Now, many people out there,
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imagine mostly the people that are ovulating out there,
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00:35:33.220
will say, of course, I notice I ovulate differently
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00:35:35.500
or my cycle changes
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00:35:36.940
when I'm in the presence of my partner or I'm not.
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00:35:39.380
But the pheromone effect
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that mirrors this Leibniz effect in humans
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00:35:43.820
has still not really been identified.
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00:35:45.420
Nobody knows what the exact chemical is,
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00:35:47.320
but nonetheless, this is a strong effect in some animals.
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00:35:50.220
The other one is the Bruce effect,
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00:35:52.320
and this is a very dramatic effect
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00:35:53.780
whereby a pregnant animal will abort or reabsorb her fetus
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00:35:59.120
if the dad of those animals,
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00:36:01.340
the father that sired the litter,
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00:36:03.780
because these are animals, they're litters,
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00:36:06.380
is removed and a novel male is placed in her vicinity
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00:36:11.460
for about 48 hours.
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00:36:12.820
And what's interesting is the way that this happens
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00:36:15.500
is a pheromone that comes from male urine
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00:36:19.880
activates the gonadotropin-releasing hormone system
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00:36:23.820
and causes a reintroduction of the estrous cycle
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00:36:28.500
and a spontaneous abortion of the fetus.
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00:36:30.900
Now, a lot of people have taken the Bruce effect
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00:36:33.220
kind of to its extreme
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00:36:34.460
and asked whether or not in humans miscarriages are caused
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00:36:37.240
by detecting the pheromones or odors of novel males,
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00:36:40.400
meaning the non-dad male,
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00:36:41.980
and that's still an open question.
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00:36:43.600
Nobody knows if that's true or not,
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00:36:45.320
so I want to emphasize that.
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00:36:47.500
The other one is the Vandenberg effect,
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00:36:49.100
and this is one I alluded to
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00:36:50.120
in a previous episode of the podcast,
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00:36:51.740
which is that puberty in females can be accelerated
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00:36:55.420
by placing a novel sexually competent male
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00:36:58.260
in with a young female who has not undergone puberty.
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00:37:01.420
There's also a version of this, which I haven't described,
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00:37:04.620
which is delay of puberty,
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00:37:06.480
where you take juvenile female animals
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00:37:09.220
that have not undergone puberty
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00:37:11.060
and you put them with more mature females
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00:37:13.780
of the same species,
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00:37:15.780
and that introduction of more females will cause a delay,
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00:37:20.660
a significant delay in the onset of puberty.
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00:37:23.220
So these are all pheromone effects,
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and we know they're pheromone effects
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00:37:26.340
because they're not conscious.
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00:37:28.460
They also don't require actual contact
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00:37:31.060
with the other members of a given species.
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00:37:33.700
These are all effects that can be mediated
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00:37:35.420
by the urine from a given species
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00:37:38.220
or by the sweat of a given species,
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00:37:40.100
and speaking of sweat,
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00:37:41.660
the one pheromone effect that I'm very aware of
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00:37:45.860
from the published literature
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00:37:47.580
is a paper that was published in 1998
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00:37:50.940
by Stern and McClintock,
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00:37:52.740
which was getting at this question
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00:37:53.900
of synchronization of menstrual cycles.
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00:37:55.660
Now, the whole idea of synchronization of menstrual cycles
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00:37:59.340
is pretty controversial.
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00:38:01.320
For a long time, people said,
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oh, this is absolutely a well-characterized phenomenon,
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00:38:06.020
people living in dormitories,
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00:38:07.420
their menstrual cycles would synchronize,
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00:38:09.980
people living in environments together
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00:38:11.620
with their menstrual cycles would synchronize,
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00:38:14.420
and then some studies came out
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00:38:16.020
that kind of undercut those data
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00:38:18.520
and said, no, this actually doesn't happen,
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00:38:20.320
and it was kind of controversial,
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00:38:21.780
but there is a very clear effect
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00:38:24.380
that was described by Stern and McClintock.
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00:38:26.740
What they did actually
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00:38:28.300
was they took females, they charted their cycles,
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00:38:32.500
and then they had other females wear pads in their armpits,
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00:38:37.660
and they collected sweat from those females,
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00:38:40.820
and then they took the sweat from those pads
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00:38:43.620
in those females' armpits,
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00:38:45.180
and they introduced them to women
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00:38:46.500
who had never had contact with the people who had sweated.
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00:38:50.600
They only had contact with their sweat.
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00:38:52.180
In fact, they swabbed it underneath their nose,
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00:38:54.060
but if that sounds gross,
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00:38:55.780
they dilute it in alcohol,
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00:38:57.620
so much so that they can't actually detect
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00:38:59.620
the odor of the sweat.
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00:39:01.140
That's actually very important because it's not the smell,
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00:39:03.740
it's the pheromone chemical itself,
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00:39:06.540
and it turns out the pheromone chemical itself
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00:39:08.620
can modulate the menstrual cycle,
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00:39:12.400
although it doesn't necessarily synchronize it
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00:39:14.780
with the sweater.
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00:39:16.260
What it does is it changes the duration
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00:39:20.620
and the pattern of ovulation
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00:39:22.340
relative to so-called follicular phase.
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00:39:24.740
Long and short of this is that the sweat and pheromones
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00:39:29.580
of females can modulate the menstrual cycle patterns
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00:39:34.060
of other adult females.
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00:39:35.800
It's just a question of whether or not they synchronize,
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00:39:38.140
and if you're kind of rolling your eyes now and saying,
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00:39:39.980
well, of course they do, and this is really detailed,
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00:39:42.260
this is how the science is done,
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00:39:44.100
and the reason why people are so skeptical
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00:39:47.680
about the presence of pheromone effects in humans
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00:39:50.620
is that there's no well-identified pheromone organ.
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00:39:54.780
We have an area of our nose that's responsible for smelling,
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00:39:57.200
that's well-established, it's been observed in MRIs
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00:40:00.700
many, many times in cadavers, many, many times
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00:40:02.880
in pretty much all individuals,
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00:40:04.700
but the vomeronasal organ,
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00:40:06.980
which is the pheromone detecting organ,
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00:40:08.700
hasn't really been found in humans.
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00:40:10.600
There's something called Jacobson's organ,
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00:40:12.220
which is thought to be the organ in the nose.
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00:40:14.620
It's actually on the top of the roof of the mouth,
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00:40:17.180
and in the kind of back of the nose,
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00:40:18.620
there's a few wine tasters, I never can pronounce this,
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00:40:21.620
what are they called?
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00:40:22.460
Sommelier, whatever, it's the people that are excellent
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00:40:25.580
at drinking and detecting the essences of wine
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00:40:29.460
that you have to go through all these tests
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00:40:30.780
in order to get certified as one of them.
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00:40:32.800
Somebody tell me.
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00:40:35.020
They are using probably a similar mechanism
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00:40:38.140
of mixing taste and smell, and Jacobson's organ,
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00:40:41.600
if it exists, the vomeronasal equivalent in humans
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00:40:45.940
is thought to be a combination of smell and taste.
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00:40:49.280
Now, it gets even weirder and cooler
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00:40:52.720
when you think about a given study that was done in humans,
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00:40:55.400
where if you take hundreds of t-shirts from boyfriends,
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00:41:00.600
keep them separate, you take those t-shirts,
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00:41:03.160
you wash them many times separately,
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00:41:05.940
and then you offer them to the girlfriends,
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00:41:08.660
the longtime partners of those guys,
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00:41:11.980
and what you'll find is that the girlfriend
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00:41:15.820
can pick out her boyfriend's t-shirt
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00:41:18.580
among hundreds of other t-shirts,
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00:41:21.220
not because it smells different,
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00:41:22.720
but because something about it seems different.
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00:41:25.340
It might smell different to her
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00:41:27.460
in some way that's kind of imperceptible even to her,
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00:41:30.500
and the level of accuracy in detecting that t-shirt,
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00:41:34.420
her partner's t-shirt,
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00:41:35.520
is way above statistical significant thresholds,
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00:41:39.120
so much so that you almost have to say
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there's something about these effects
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that are real pheromone effects,
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00:41:44.740
although people still argue
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that there are no pheromone effects in humans,
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00:41:47.560
that it's all through olfaction.
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00:41:49.100
I think these are interesting and important to understand
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00:41:51.060
because it means that a lot of things
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00:41:52.260
coming through our nose,
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00:41:53.500
whether or not it's pheromones or smells,
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00:41:55.780
are impacting hormones and our ability to attach memories
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00:41:59.500
and kind of recognition of mates and other people,
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00:42:02.260
including our children, not just our mates.
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00:42:04.380
And of course, perfume manufacturers
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00:42:06.420
have really picked up on the idea of pheromones
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00:42:08.700
and have entire laboratories set up
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00:42:10.900
to build chemical compounds into perfumes
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00:42:13.620
that are designed to attract other mates.
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00:42:15.360
This is a well-established and well-documented phenomenon.
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And the last point I'll make about pheromones
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is that this combination of taste and smell
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is such a real thing in the animal world
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00:42:27.260
that there's something called the flemming response.
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During the mating season for different animals,
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you can actually even see this in horses,
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but for animals that are seasonal maters,
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they'll do something called the flemming response
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where they actually open their lips and their mouth
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and they expose their gums
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00:42:43.820
so that they can capture pheromones
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that are floating in the wind and the environment.
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They actually are looking for mates using their mouth
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00:42:51.140
and kind of sniffing around.
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00:42:52.220
If you own a dog and you watch the way
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that the dog will sniff around,
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00:42:55.120
selecting where they want to urinate, males and females,
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00:42:58.020
there's often, they're bringing molecules into their nose.
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I know it sounds kind of gross sniffing urine,
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but there are a lot of pheromones in urine of animals.
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A lot of pheromones are traveling in the wind.
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00:43:08.700
Again, whether or not this is happening in humans,
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I don't know, but then you think about the perfume thing
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and here people are putting these scents on themselves
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that contain putative pheromones, human pheromones,
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00:43:19.300
and walking around hoping that their scents
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00:43:21.020
are going to evoke mate-seeking behavior
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from other individuals of the same human species.
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So we are among the animals in this behavior
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independent of whether or not
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you believe pheromone effects exist.
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00:43:32.860
So let's get back to behaviors
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that can help optimize hormone levels.
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One of the main behaviors
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that's been shown to be associated
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with poor levels of estrogen
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relative to age match controls for people with ovaries
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or lower levels of testosterone
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00:43:51.720
compared to age match controls for people with testes
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is apnea.
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Apnea has everything to do with underbreathing
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and the buildup of too much carbon dioxide in the body.
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00:44:06.280
There are other effects of apnea as well,
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but if there's a consistent literature
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in this whole story about aging and reductions in hormones
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and general health and reductions in hormones, it's apnea.
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00:44:20.520
I went deep into the literature on advanced menopause
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or when menopausal symptoms are exacerbated.
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00:44:27.440
And I went into the literature on andropause
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or early onset andropause,
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so levels of testosterone that are far lower
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than they should be for a given age.
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And in every case, you could find multiple papers
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that showed that apnea or poor efficiency of breathing
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and buildup of too much carbon dioxide in the body
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00:44:48.880
was a problem, mostly sleep apnea,
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00:44:51.880
although apnea in general was shown to be an issue
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negatively impacting hormones.
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00:44:56.800
Now, the directionality of this effect isn't entirely clear.
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It could be that reductions in estrogen cause apnea.
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And actually there's some reason
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to believe that might be the case.
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I found at least one paper showing
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that there are estrogen receptors on some of the neurons
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that actually innervate the lungs
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00:45:15.740
and allow for the perception
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of how full or empty the lungs are.
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00:45:19.440
In other words, reductions in estrogen may adjust breathing
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by changing our sensitivity to our own lungs.
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Now, that was true for males and females.
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Remember, estrogen in both males and females.
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But as well, I found papers in which testosterone reductions
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were associated with apnea
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00:45:38.120
and testosterone receptors are also found
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on a lot of cells in the so-called viscera,
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including the lungs.
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00:45:46.300
So again, the directionality of the effect isn't clear.
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But what's really interesting is that
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there are very clear ways in which patterns of breathing,
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especially patterns of breathing in sleep,
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can modulate hormones in ways that are immediately actionable
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and can serve to optimize both estrogen and testosterone,
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regardless of whether or not you have ovaries or testes.
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00:46:06.580
So what is apnea?
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Apnea is underbreathing
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or mainly cessation of breathing during sleep.
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00:46:13.320
So people are holding their breath
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00:46:14.560
and then they'll suddenly wake up.
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00:46:16.520
Actually, I've talked about the physiological sigh
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on previous episodes of this podcast
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of this pattern of double inhales followed by exhales
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that one can do consciously
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00:46:25.320
to reduce stress and anxiety and offload carbon dioxide.
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That pattern of breathing
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is actually what kicks in spontaneously
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anytime we have an apnea episode in sleep,
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although in many people who have apnea,
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they don't engage the physiological sigh.
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00:46:39.600
People who are dramatically overweight
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00:46:42.820
also suffer a lot from apnea during sleep.
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00:46:45.520
There's actually a lot of buildup
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00:46:46.760
of carbon dioxide in the body,
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00:46:48.440
and that can lead to excessive sleepiness during the day,
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00:46:51.540
inability to access the deeper phases of sleep,
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00:46:54.200
and it's well-established that going into deep sleep
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00:46:59.080
and getting the proper patterns of slow wave sleep
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and REM sleep are important for hormone optimization.
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00:47:04.160
I talked about how to modulate sleep and optimize sleep
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00:47:07.720
in the first month of the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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00:47:09.840
so please check out those episodes if you have sleep issues
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00:47:12.400
or you want to work on your sleep.
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00:47:13.880
Also check out Matt Walker's terrific book,
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00:47:15.660
"'While We Sleep,"
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00:47:17.040
and that will help you find various protocols
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00:47:20.140
to help you optimize your sleep.
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00:47:22.200
But the issue of breathing itself
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00:47:25.320
can be adjusted in the daytime waking hours
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00:47:28.320
in ways that can powerfully impact both sleep,
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00:47:31.140
reduce incidents of sleep apnea,
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00:47:33.360
and apparently from some emerging literature
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00:47:36.600
can also help to optimize various hormones
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00:47:39.520
even just by breathing in particular ways while awake.
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00:47:42.480
So here's how this works.
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There's now a lot of literature showing
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that breathing through the nose, not through the mouth,
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00:47:48.920
is powerful for improving lots of things.
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00:47:51.960
First of all, it improves cosmetic features
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of the jaw and face.
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00:47:55.480
This was first well-established by my colleagues at Stanford
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00:47:59.080
in a book called, Jaws, the story of a hidden epidemic.
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00:48:02.440
This is by Sandra Kahn and Paul Ehrlich,
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00:48:04.680
who are both faculty at Stanford,
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00:48:06.680
has a foreword by Robert Sapolsky,
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00:48:08.640
the great Robert Sapolsky,
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00:48:10.180
and it also has a heavy endorsement up front
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00:48:13.680
by Jared Diamond, the author of,
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00:48:15.320
"'Guns, Germs, and Steel,' the Pulitzer winner."
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00:48:17.480
So a lot of heavy hitters on this book, Jaws.
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00:48:19.460
It's not a book that a lot of people know about, unfortunately
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00:48:22.220
but it really describes the benefits of nasal breathing
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00:48:26.000
and the terrible things that happen
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00:48:28.880
when people, in particular children,
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00:48:30.440
but adults also, are heavy mouth breathers.
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00:48:33.240
So mouth breathers have changes
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00:48:35.040
in the cosmetics of their face and jaw
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00:48:36.960
that are really bad in terms of attractiveness,
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00:48:40.560
and this was done in twin studies.
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00:48:41.920
You can look in the book and see some of this.
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00:48:43.240
It's really dramatic how being a mouth breather
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00:48:46.200
tends to make the chin drop back behind the upper mandible.
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00:48:49.540
There's a lengthening in the face, a drooping of the eyes.
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00:48:51.840
It can be quite dramatic or modest
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00:48:53.460
depending on how much mouth breathing.
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00:48:55.400
Now, sometimes we have to breathe with our mouths
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00:48:57.200
but there's also a lot of data and studies
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00:48:59.440
described in this book, Jaws,
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00:49:01.280
that describe how nose breathing in wakefulness
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00:49:05.000
and in sleep promotes all sorts of positive things
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00:49:08.780
related to not just cosmetics
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00:49:11.500
but also the improvement of gas exchange
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00:49:14.560
with carbon dioxide and oxygen in the body.
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00:49:17.120
And as well, it can modify levels
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00:49:20.280
of different neurotransmitters and neuromodulators
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00:49:22.600
in ways that positively can impact hormones.
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00:49:25.640
So believe it or not, being a nasal breather
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00:49:28.760
and avoiding being a mouth breather
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00:49:30.520
can actually positively impact hormones,
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00:49:33.400
and in particular, the hormones testosterone and estrogen,
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00:49:36.480
although the way that it does that
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00:49:38.700
is by making you a better sleeper,
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00:49:41.260
which allows you to produce more testosterone
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00:49:43.920
and the appropriate amounts of testosterone and estrogen.
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00:49:48.160
But it does that in part through indirect mechanisms
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00:49:52.200
because deep sleep supports the gonads,
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00:49:54.160
the ovaries and the testicles,
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00:49:55.880
and the turnover of cells and the production of cells.
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00:49:58.600
Remember, in the ovary, particular cells
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00:50:01.360
and the egg follicles themselves make estrogen,
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00:50:03.760
and in the testicle that the sertoli cells
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00:50:09.380
and the lytic cells are important
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00:50:10.800
for the formation of sperm and for testosterone respectively.
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00:50:14.360
So what does this all mean?
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00:50:16.600
This means we have to be breathing properly.
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00:50:19.060
It almost sounds kind of like kind of new agey,
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00:50:22.300
like, oh, you have to breathe properly,
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00:50:23.560
get your hormones right.
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00:50:24.480
But no, you have to breathe properly
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00:50:26.520
to get your breathing and sleep right
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00:50:28.120
so that your sleep can actually be deep enough
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00:50:30.120
and you're not entering apnea states,
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00:50:32.320
and then that will support gonad function.
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00:50:35.240
And I wouldn't be putting this out
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00:50:36.800
as one of the main behavioral tools upfront
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00:50:39.440
if it weren't for the fact that the effects of apnea
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00:50:42.120
on these hormones are dramatic and terrible,
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00:50:44.800
and the positive effects of getting breathing right
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00:50:47.160
on these hormones, testosterone and estrogen,
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00:50:49.080
are dramatic and wonderful.
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00:50:50.880
So let's talk about a few of those studies briefly
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00:50:52.860
so I can underscore the value of proper breathing
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00:50:56.120
in order to optimize hormones.
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00:50:57.980
So I was able to find at least four quality studies
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00:51:01.180
showing that when apnea is reduced in sleep or eliminated,
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00:51:06.000
there are significant increases
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00:51:08.400
in testosterone in males and in proper estrogen
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00:51:11.440
to testosterone ratios in females.
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00:51:13.900
And the way that it works is very interesting.
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00:51:17.000
Apparently, it works by reductions in cortisol.
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00:51:21.220
Now, cortisol is a stress hormone
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00:51:22.900
that is released early in the day as we wake up
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00:51:25.000
and serves healthy roles in protecting us against infection,
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00:51:27.920
reducing inflammation, et cetera.
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00:51:29.880
But you don't want cortisol to be too high,
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00:51:31.800
and you certainly don't want to elevate it too long
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00:51:34.080
throughout the day and night.
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00:51:36.100
And so we all know, because now we've been told a lot
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00:51:39.480
in the last decade or so, that getting proper sleep
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00:51:42.540
is important for all these aspects of health.
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00:51:44.240
Getting proper sleep can really offset all the reductions
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00:51:47.480
in testosterone and estrogen and reductions in fertility
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00:51:50.320
that occur if we don't get enough sleep.
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00:51:52.020
But seldom is it discussed how sleep actually adjusts
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00:51:55.840
things like testosterone and estrogen,
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00:51:57.720
and it does it by modifying cortisol.
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00:52:00.980
So the molecule cholesterol can be converted
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00:52:04.920
into testosterone or estrogen,
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00:52:06.920
but there's a competition whereby the cholesterol
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00:52:10.600
will turn into cortisol and not testosterone,
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00:52:13.920
or it'll turn into cortisol and not estrogen
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00:52:17.680
if stress levels are too high.
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00:52:19.660
So the simple version of this
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00:52:21.200
is getting your breathing right during the waking hours,
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00:52:24.640
meaning primarily, unless you're working out really hard
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00:52:27.840
or there's some other reason why you're maybe eating
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00:52:30.080
or speaking that you need to be breathing
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00:52:31.620
through your mouth, you should be a nose breather.
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00:52:33.600
There's really good evidence for that now.
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00:52:36.080
And in sleep, you also want to be a nose breather
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00:52:38.960
because that's going to increase the amount of oxygen
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00:52:41.620
that you're bringing into your system
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00:52:42.460
and the amount of carbon dioxide that you're offloading.
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00:52:45.440
There are other positive effects of it as well,
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00:52:47.280
but you're basically reducing apnea.
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00:52:49.400
Breath holding in sleep leads to buildup of carbon dioxide
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00:52:52.080
and leads to increases in cortisol,
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00:52:54.020
which then decrease testosterone and decrease estrogen
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00:52:58.000
in negative ways across all sexes, okay?
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00:53:01.340
So the simple version of this is get your breathing right.
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00:53:04.000
So how do you do that?
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00:53:04.840
How do you get your breathing right?
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00:53:05.800
Well, for some people that have severe sleep apnea,
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00:53:08.800
they're going to need the CPAP machine.
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00:53:10.560
This is a machine that you actually put on your face
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00:53:12.260
and it helps you breathe properly in sleep.
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00:53:14.580
Many people, however, are starting to do this thing
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00:53:16.740
of taping their mouth shut.
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00:53:17.820
Now, this sounds a little bit extreme
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00:53:20.040
and you certainly don't want to do this
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00:53:21.560
in any way that's dangerous.
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00:53:22.620
James Nestor talked about this in his book,
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00:53:25.340
"'Breath, The New Science of a Lost Art,"
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00:53:27.480
that simply taping shut the mouth
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00:53:29.500
with some tape that will allow you to open your mouth
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00:53:32.840
if you really need to.
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00:53:33.960
During sleep can allow people to shift over
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00:53:36.040
from being mouth breathers and snorers to nose breathers.
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00:53:40.560
In the daytime, the best way to get good at nasal breathing
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00:53:44.440
is to dilate the nasal passages
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00:53:46.160
because a lot of people have a hard time
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00:53:47.500
breathing through their nose.
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00:53:49.240
And one way to do this
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00:53:50.560
is to just breathe through your nose more.
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00:53:52.320
And one way to do that is that when you exercise,
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00:53:54.640
in particular cardiovascular exercise,
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00:53:56.800
most of the time, provided you're not in maximum effort,
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00:53:59.560
you should be nasal breathing.
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00:54:01.260
Now, for a lot of people,
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00:54:02.840
nasal breathing during exercise is hard at first,
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00:54:05.440
but as you do it,
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00:54:06.440
because the sinuses have a capacity to dilate over time,
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00:54:10.320
you'll get better at it.
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00:54:11.880
The sinuses, if you haven't ever held a skull,
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00:54:15.920
because of my job as a neuroscientist,
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00:54:17.640
I've held a lot of skulls,
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00:54:18.640
taken a lot of brains out of a lot of skulls,
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00:54:21.160
teach neuroanatomy and have done that for, goodness,
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00:54:24.600
God knows how many species I've done that for,
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00:54:26.420
including human.
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00:54:27.260
But what the sinuses are is they're actually,
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00:54:30.120
what you've got are you've got these little portals
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00:54:32.440
in the bone that run up here and down here
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00:54:35.640
behind the nose and into the jaw.
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00:54:37.760
If you ever had a cold and your sinuses are stuffed up,
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00:54:39.760
you feel like you have congestion here and here
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00:54:42.280
and around your ears and in your cheeks and in your face.
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00:54:44.560
And that's because the sinuses are actually portals
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00:54:47.780
where the bones are fused together,
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00:54:50.840
kind of interdigitate like this,
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00:54:52.760
but they're lined, of course, with mucous membranes.
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00:54:54.960
And as you start to nasal breathe more,
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00:54:57.060
the nasal passages will start to dilate more.
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00:54:59.200
Don't worry, you're not going to get giant nostrils.
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00:55:01.240
But what's going to end up happening
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00:55:02.680
is you're going to have an easier time breathing
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00:55:04.120
through your nose just from waking.
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00:55:06.180
So my advice would be breathe through your nose
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00:55:10.660
while exercising, unless you're in maximum effort.
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00:55:13.800
Pretty soon, what you'll find is you actually can
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00:55:16.240
create more output than you would
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00:55:18.000
if you were breathing through your mouth.
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00:55:19.520
And of course, there are exceptions to this.
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00:55:21.040
If you're swimming, follow that breath protocol.
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00:55:23.460
For fighters and martial artists,
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00:55:24.880
there's reason to do the kind of exhale breathing
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00:55:27.720
through the mouth, the shh kind of thing.
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00:55:29.600
There are reasons to do that sort of thing
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00:55:31.480
for particular sports, but for most people
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00:55:33.160
who are kind of recreational athletes or exercisers,
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00:55:36.060
learn to be a nasal breather.
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00:55:37.480
It has positive cosmetic effects, it reduces apnea,
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00:55:40.760
it offloads more carbon dioxide, it increases lung capacity,
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00:55:44.040
it dilates the sinuses, and it prevents apnea in sleep.
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00:55:48.440
So unless you have severe apnea and you need the CPAP,
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00:55:51.640
becoming a nasal breather can have all sorts
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00:55:53.740
of positive effects by reducing cortisol,
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00:55:55.880
reducing apnea, and indirectly,
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00:55:59.120
raising testosterone and estrogen in the proper ratios.
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00:56:02.720
So this might seem kind of foundational and indirect,
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00:56:05.080
but when you go into the scientific literature,
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00:56:07.260
it comes through as one of the most powerful things
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00:56:10.100
that you can do that is zero cost,
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00:56:13.320
takes a little effort, but at zero cost,
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00:56:15.560
and it has all these positive effects across the board,
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00:56:19.760
both cosmetic and in sleep and hormonal, et cetera.
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00:56:22.780
So that's the first piece of behavioral advice.
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00:56:25.680
The second piece of behavioral advice
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00:56:27.440
relates to the viewing of light.
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00:56:30.540
And many of you have heard me talk about this before,
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00:56:33.160
and I'm not going to belabor the point
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that viewing bright light within the first hour of waking,
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whether or not it's from artificial light
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or ideally from sunlight,
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has these powerful effects on sleep and wakefulness.
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But we have to return to this if you want to understand
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how light can impact hormones,
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because hormones, light and dopamine,
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have a very close-knit relationship,
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so much so that your light viewing behavior
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can actually have a direct effect
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on hormone levels and fertility.
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It can have a direct effect on hormone levels and libido.
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It can have a direct effect on hormone levels
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and your ability to heal quickly.
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And I'm not talking about shining light
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on particular injuries.
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That may or may not have positive effects.
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We can argue about that on a subsequent episode, it may,
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but what I'm talking about is viewing light with your eyes.
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So let's talk about that now
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because the scientific literature on this are robust
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and they extend back several decades,
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and yet I think most people don't really understand
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how powerful this relationship is
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between light, dopamine, hormones,
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and all the great things that the sex steroid hormones do
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when they're available in your body in the proper ratios.
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In order to understand the powerful effects
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that light can have on the sex steroid hormones,
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we need to understand seasonal breeding animals.
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Now, humans are not seasonal breeders,
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but if you understand the biology
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of how light impacts various neurotransmitters and hormones,
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you'll set yourself up for a deep understanding
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of what you should do with your light viewing behavior.
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So several species of animals,
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many species of animals, in fact,
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like rabbits and fox and various mustelids
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like ferrets and ermines,
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change their pelage color across the seasons.
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This might be kind of a duh,
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but fox in winter are often white or light gray,
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and those same animals will be brown or darker colored
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in the summertime and spring months.
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Now, those same animals breed in the spring,
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and they shut down breeding.
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They actually shut down ovulation.
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They often shut down testosterone production
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in the winter months.
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So right now I'm just correlating color of fur
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with tendency to breed.
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Tendency to breed, as we know,
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is going to be related to the levels of sex steroid hormones,
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estrogen and testosterone.
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Now, why would these two things be linked?
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Well, it turns out that dopamine is the link between them.
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So dopamine has a precursor.
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That precursor is tyrosine,
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which is an amino acid, comes from food.
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And when dopamine levels are high, as I mentioned before,
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there's a tendency for more gonadotropin-releasing hormone,
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luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone,
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all the hormones that come
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from the hypothalamic-pituitary axis
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and stimulate estrogen and testosterone release
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from the ovary and testes.
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Dopamine basically increases all of that.
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The precursor to dopamine is tyrosine,
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but the precursor to a lot
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of the melanin-producing elements of cells
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that give pigmentation, including for the hair,
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is tyrosine and tyrosinase, an enzyme.
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So yes, the same amino acid-based pathway
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and many of the same enzymes
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that are devoted to dopamine
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and dopamine-increasing the sex steroid hormones
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are devoted to giving pigmentation to the hair and skin.
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And this is why in the summer months, when days are longer,
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animals are breeding more.
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And this is also why in the winter months,
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when days are shorter, animals are breeding less.
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This is also why in humans, many people, not all,
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feel an elevation and mood in the spring and summer months
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because of the amount of sunlight they're getting
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is increased relative to the winter months.
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Now, some of you may be saying,
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I love the fall, I love the winter.
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Sensitivity to light in these dopamine systems
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has a strong genetic component.
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So you go to some areas of the world,
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I have relatives who are Scandinavian,
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and in some areas of Scandinavia,
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people know that there's a kind of seasonal effect
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to the disorder, there's kind of a seasonal depression,
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and people get sadder and more quiescent in the winter,
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there's actually less going out,
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and therefore there's less sexual behavior,
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there's less partying and things of that sort.
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But other people will say, no, during the winter months,
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I feel great and I love the holidays around winter, et cetera.
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So there's a lot of variation.
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But in general, the pathway is the following.
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Increased viewing of sunlight,
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and it has to be to the eyes, it's not to the skin,
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increased viewing of sunlight,
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increases dopamine levels in the brain,
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increased dopamine levels in animals and humans,
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increases the amount of these melanocytes
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and the activity of these melanin-producing cells,
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which give pigmentation to the skin and hair,
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and indirectly increase the amount
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of testosterone and estrogen
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and thereby reproductive behavior, feelings of wellbeing,
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social interactions, reductions, anxiety, et cetera,
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all of which should make sense
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based on what we've talked about already
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in terms of the biology and the impact
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of these steroid hormones
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on various aspects of the mind and body.
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So how does this translate to a protocol?
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This translates to the protocol
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of if you want to optimize testosterone and estrogen,
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you need to get your light viewing behavior correct.
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It's not just about optimizing your sleep,
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which is also important,
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it's about getting sufficient amount of light in your eyes
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so you have sufficient levels of dopamine.
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So the simple protocols for that I've reviewed before,
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but it means getting anywhere from two to 10 minutes
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of bright light exposure in your eyes early in the day.
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It is not sufficient to do this with sunglasses
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unless you have to do that for safety reasons.
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It's fine to wear prescription lenses and contacts.
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If you can't get sunlight for whatever reason,
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you want to use bright artificial light,
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but that is absolutely critical
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for timing the cortisol release properly,
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limiting cortisol release to the early part of the day,
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getting increases in dopamine
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that are going to promote the production
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of testosterone and estrogen to healthy levels.
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The other aspect of light viewing behavior
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that's extremely important
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is to avoid bright light exposure to your eyes
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in the middle of the night.
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If you're viewing bright light in the middle of the night,
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you are suppressing dopamine release.
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If you're suppressing dopamine release,
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you are suppressing testosterone levels.
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So much so that I would wager that a major effect
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of sleep deprivation on reducing testosterone and estrogen
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is not necessarily because of the lack of sleep per se,
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it's because usually when people
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are not getting enough sleep,
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they're getting too much light in their eyes
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in the middle of the night as well.
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A study on this has not been completed yet,
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but there are two studies published in Cell and Neuron,
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both cell press journals, excellent journals,
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showing that viewing bright light with the eyes
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in the middle of the circadian night
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has a detrimental effect on dopamine,
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and therefore has a detrimental effect
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on things like testosterone and estrogen.
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So you can't even begin to talk about supplements
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and other ways to optimize testosterone, diet,
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and its effects on testosterone and estrogen
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01:03:40.200
and fertility and reproductive behavior, et cetera,
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01:03:43.020
until you get your breathing right,
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until you get things like your light viewing behavior right.
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So bright light early in the day
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and throughout the day is great.
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View as much bright light, ideally sunlight, as you can,
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as much as you safely can.
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01:03:56.600
You obviously don't want to burn your retinas
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or damage your retinas,
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so never look at any light that's so bright
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it's painful to look at.
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But getting a lot of light in your eyes
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is not just about adjusting your sleep-wake rhythms,
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it's also about optimizing your sex steroid hormones.
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And avoiding bright light in the middle of the night
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is not just about not disrupting your sleep,
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it's also about optimizing the sex steroid hormones.
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And now that you understand
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a bit of how the sex steroid hormones work
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and how powerful they are for reducing anxiety
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01:04:22.940
and all these other effects,
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this should be straightforward to do,
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or hopefully it's inspired you
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to get your light viewing behavior
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01:04:29.580
and your breathing behavior correct.
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01:04:31.560
In fact, in thinking about tools,
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for many people that are suffering from low levels
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01:04:36.880
of estrogen if they want higher levels,
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01:04:38.420
or low levels of testosterone if they want higher levels,
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01:04:41.340
just getting the breathing and light viewing behavior,
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which will indirectly support sleep behavior,
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can be a huge and positive effect
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on levels of sex steroid hormones.
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I can already anticipate that in hearing this,
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you might wonder whether or not viewing light
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is going to, for instance, increase your testosterone a lot
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when in fact you want your estrogen increased,
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or it's going to increase your estrogen a lot
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when you want your testosterone increased.
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01:05:09.420
Everything I'm describing here is for people,
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regardless of chromosomal or gonadal background.
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So I'm trying to basically offer all this information
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in one swoop.
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But basically, if you're somebody who naturally has ovaries
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01:05:23.960
and has higher levels of estrogen than testosterone,
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01:05:26.560
then viewing bright light early in the day
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01:05:28.920
because of dopamine's effects
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is going to promote more estrogen
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01:05:33.960
and subtle increases in testosterone.
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01:05:35.960
Whereas if you're somebody who starts off
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with more testosterone and lower estrogen,
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so somebody presumably who has testes,
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01:05:42.440
or maybe you're supplementing with testosterone
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through other sources for whatever reason,
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bright light viewing is going to increase testosterone
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and estrogen in parallel,
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but you're still going to maintain
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the ratio of testosterone to estrogen.
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In short, you don't have to worry
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that you're going to increase the wrong hormone.
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This is all about optimizing the ratios of hormones
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that you already have.
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Okay, so we've talked about breathing.
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We've talked about light.
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Let's talk about a third element
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that there seems to be some excitement about lately
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for other reasons,
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but that can actually have some pretty profound influences
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on hormone levels, and that's heat and cold.
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So as always, rather than just offer a tool,
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I'm going to tell you the underlying science
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as it relates to naturally occurring phenomenon,
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because in understanding that
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and understanding the mechanism,
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you're going to be in a far better position
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to understand the tools and mechanisms
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and how you might want to adjust them for your own life.
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01:06:36.720
So now you understand the relationship
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between light, day length, dopamine, and hormone levels,
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and everyone should realize
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that temperature and day length are linked,
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and I'm sure as I say that,
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you're probably thinking, oh, of course.
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In summer, when there's more sunlight,
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days are longer, nights are shorter.
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In general, it tends to be warmer out,
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and in winter, when nights are longer, days are shorter,
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it tends to be colder out.
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And in the winter months,
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testosterone and estrogen tend to be lower in many animals
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and in humans, and in the summer months,
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because of the role of dopamine
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in promoting the sex steroid hormones,
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when days are longer and it's warmer,
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humans tend to make more estrogen and testosterone
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relative to the other months of the year.
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Now, these effects can be somewhat weak and modulated,
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as opposed to in seasonally breathing animals
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where they're really dramatic, okay?
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But the point is that temperature and day length
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and sunlight, those are all intimately related
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because of the systems that we evolved in, right?
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So before we had artificial light
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and artificial heating and artificial cooling,
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our biology evolved under systems where temperature,
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day length, and the hormones
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were correlated with one another.
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So nowadays, there's a lot of interest
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in using cold as a way to stimulate testosterone.
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This is mainly because in the sports community,
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in particular in the bodybuilding community,
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they are always seeking ways to maximize testosterone,
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dihydrotestosterone, keep estrogen to its minimum required
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to still have libido and still have skin elasticity,
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but also walk around with saran wrap skin,
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then all this kind of extreme stuff that happens there
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has led to a recent movement where, believe it or not,
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I heard this and I couldn't believe I went and checked,
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although I didn't buy them, that on Amazon,
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you can actually find,
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people have their literally underwear that have ice packs,
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or I think they're ice pack underwear,
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so that people are making themselves cold
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at the level of the gonads
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in order to try and increase testosterone and libido.
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Sounds pretty crazy.
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But believe it or not,
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that and things like ice baths and cold showers
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can have positive effects on the sex steroid hormones,
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both testosterone, mainly in males,
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and estrogen, mainly in females.
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And you might say, wait,
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I thought cold makes the reproductive axis
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kind of shut down a bit or reduces testosterone and estrogen
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but it turns out it's not actually the cold
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that's having these effects in people.
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Things like the ice bath, cold showers, cold water swims,
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these ice underwear, whatever they are,
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can't believe that these actually exist, but they do exist.
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What happens is there's a rebound in vasodilation
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after cooling.
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So cooling causes vasoconstriction.
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And then after the cooling,
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there's a rebound vasodilation
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and there's more infusion of blood into the gonads.
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There's also an effect that's neural.
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So let me explain how this works
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because there are only a few studies on this,
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none of which looking at the frozen underwear
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but that have looked at cold exposure
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and levels of androgens and estrogens.
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That's kind of interesting.
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So you have to remember that the gonad,
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the ovaries and the testes, are heavily vascularized.
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Remember, even at the level of the brain,
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GnRH, gonadotropin-releasing hormone,
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comes from neurons that, believe it or not,
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start off in your nose early in development,
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migrate into the hypothalamus.
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I'm not making that up.
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They started off in your nose,
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migrate into the hypothalamus.
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01:10:10.940
Those neurons extend processes,
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we call them axons, into the pituitary
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01:10:16.580
and release GnRH into the pituitary.
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01:10:19.720
There's a lot of vascularization within the pituitary,
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01:10:22.380
so now those hormones, or GnRH,
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can stimulate follicle-stimulating hormone,
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01:10:27.820
luteinizing hormone,
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01:10:28.780
which then are released and travel into the bloodstream.
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01:10:32.940
Then those hormones reach the ovary or testes
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and they have to get into the ovary and testes.
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And the way they do that is through the vascular system.
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And people forget, but the vascular system
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and how constricted or dilated vessels are
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is controlled by neurons, right?
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This is what we discussed this
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during the discussion about stress in the stress episode.
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But it's well-known to neuroscientists
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that the best way to shut down neurons is to cool them.
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So there are a lot of examples of this
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in the scientific literature,
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but most people aren't aware of it
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because you're not digging around
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in the methods section of these papers.
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But when we want to shut down neurons,
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we can do things like inject drugs
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that will do that like lidocaine,
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the stuff that makes you numb at the dentist,
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or you can use different inhibitors.
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But one of the best ways to do it experimentally
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is to just cool neurons.
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When you make neurons cold,
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because there's a temperature dependence
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of when neurons can be active and when they can't,
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the neurons shut down.
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So the most plausible explanation for why cold exposure,
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either through one to 10-minute ice bath or cold shower
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or the ice underpants thing,
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would increase testosterone or increase estrogen
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is that you're cooling the neurons
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that control vasoconstriction and vasodilation
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and shutting down the entry of blood,
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or at least reducing it, and hormones into the gonad.
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And then when the gonad and the surrounding area
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heats up again, you're getting a rebound hypervasodilation
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that delivers excessive levels of,
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not excessive, but increased levels of GnRH
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and other hormones and carriers and carrier proteins
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and so forth that would then stimulate the gonad
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to release more testosterone,
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or would stimulate the gonad to release more estrogen.
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That's the most plausible explanation I can come up with.
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There aren't a lot of studies looking at direct effects
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of temperature on the gonad.
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And it's going to be a difficult study to carry out
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in any case, because unless they were done in vitro
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in a dish, it's very hard to eliminate all the other things
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like vasoconstriction and vasodilation.
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Put simply, we don't know whether or not cold and heat
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directly affect the production of testosterone and estrogen.
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We only know that cold and heat can modulate those
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probably through indirect mechanisms
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like controlling the amount of blood flow
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by way of shutting down or activating the neurons.
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Now, there's a lot of lore
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around heating up the gonads too much.
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There's actually a whole set of pseudoscience web pages
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out there saying, well, if you want a girl,
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you should conceive the child at this room temperature.
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And if you want a boy,
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you should conceive the child at this room temperature.
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I don't think there's really any firm scientific evidence
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for that, for either one.
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But there's some interesting literature
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about temperature dependence of production of hormones.
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And I think that it probably relates to these mechanisms
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of vasodilation and neural control over vasodilation.
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And of course, excessively high heat is not good
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for the testes, for sperm production, or for sperm health.
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Sperm have all sorts of proteins in the cap,
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things like pentraxins and other things
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that cause them to swim faster
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when they're expressed properly and in the right locations.
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And heat actually alters the location
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and the function a lot of those proteins.
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They're very heat sensitive.
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And so that's why excessive heat
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is truly not good for fertility,
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which may be independent of heat's roles
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in promoting estrogen or testosterone.
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01:14:02.760
Okay, so now we've talked about breathing,
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light, and temperature.
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We talked about parenthood.
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We talked about competition.
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And we talked about some pheromone effects.
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Now let's talk about particular forms of exercise
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and how they modulate the steroid hormones.
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And then we're going to talk about various supplements,
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both in reference to testosterone
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and in reference to estrogen.
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So now let's talk about how exercise in its various forms,
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weight training, endurance work, weight training to failure,
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or less intense weight training,
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can impact testosterone levels.
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But I want to remind you
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that we're talking about testosterone
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both in males and females.
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And based on what you know from earlier in the episode,
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testosterone can have numerous positive effects
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in both males and females provided they're in optimal range.
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So if you look on the web, people will say,
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oh, you know, testosterone is increased by weight training.
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You want to do the big, heavy compound movement,
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squats and deadlifts and chins and things of that sort.
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But what about the scientific studies?
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Like what's the actual basis for this?
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Because if you just take a step back
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and look at this from the perspective of a scientist,
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you'd say, okay, what is a squat?
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A squat is loading up a bunch of weights on a bar
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and then, you know, sitting down essentially
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and standing up over and over again.
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What's a deadlift?
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It's lifting heavy weights from the ground.
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Why would that increase testosterone, right?
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This is what's often not discussed in the weight training
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or even the exercise science community.
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What would actually stimulate the release of testosterone
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from the adrenals and or testes?
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And which one is it, adrenals or testes or both?
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And that's often not discussed, but as a neuroscientist,
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this is the kinds of things we think about
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because we think always that genes don't create behavior,
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immune systems don't know when to be activated,
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lungs don't know when to inhale or exhale,
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hearts don't know when to beat
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except for the information that it gets from neurons.
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The nervous system controls all of that.
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And so really the answer has to be in the neural system
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that's related to these particular types
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of weight-bearing exercises.
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So when you go into this literature,
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it's kind of hard to find real mechanism.
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You see a lot of effects.
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You'll hear things like androgen receptor content,
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meaning testosterone and its derivatives,
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receptor content following heavy resistance exercise,
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and you'll find some examples that, for instance,
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you know, they do muscle biopsies,
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they can actually see receptor increases
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looking at either high volume or low volume,
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really intense exercise, and you can find a lot of that,
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but not a lot of mechanism
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about how the nervous system would do this.
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And the reason you'd want to know how it can do it
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is that you could potentially build better protocols
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or figure out exactly what about these movements
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is triggering increases in androgen receptors
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and testosterone.
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So what's interesting is when you start digging
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into the more mechanistic studies,
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what you find is that heavy weight training,
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so this is weight training where the sets are done
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with anywhere from kind of one to eight rep range,
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so this translates differently depending on ratio
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of muscle fiber type and so forth,
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but where basically people are working at anywhere
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from like 70% to 95% of their maximum
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or sometimes even going right down
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to their one repetition maximum,
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really kind of max effort,
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what you find is that using the nervous system
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in a way in which they're moving heavy loads,
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so that I would translate to recruitment
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of high threshold motor units for you muscle physiologists.
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And there's a rule in muscle physiology
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about the neuron recruitment for moving muscles
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where you basically use the minimum number of motor units
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of neurons to activate muscle as you possibly can,
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as loads increase, you have to recruit more and more neurons.
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You always hear about recruiting muscle fibers,
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but really it's recruiting more neurons
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to recruit more muscle fibers.
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And what you find is that heavy weight training,
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but not weight training to failure,
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where completion of a repetition is impossible,
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leads to the greatest increases in testosterone.
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Now I'm sure there are a bunch of exercise jockeys out there
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that are going to come at me with a bunch of things
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where, oh yeah, but high volume and this
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and training to failure and that, sure.
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If you're willing to kind of put things side by side,
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adjust for exogenous testosterone treatment
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and all the rest, which was done in these studies,
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what you find in general is that weight training
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with heavy loads, so anywhere from one rep maximum
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to somewhere in the six to eight repetition range
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in males or females increases testosterone significantly.
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And it does it for about a day, sometimes up to 48 hours.
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And the studies that I found,
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which seem to hold the most rigor or weight
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based on where they're published,
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as opposed to being published in the journal,
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never heard of it, they're published in
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good quality exercise physiology journals.
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For instance, the paper by Ratames, R-A-T-A-M-E-S-S et al,
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which was published in 2005,
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which talks about modulations in androgen receptor content
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after heavy resistance exercise,
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looks at going to failure, not to failure.
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The work of Sciardo et al, published in 2006,
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differential effects of strength training
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leading to failure versus not failure
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on hormonal responses, strength, and power gains.
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There are a lot of studies here,
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and I will certainly put the links to these in the caption.
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Many of these actually include Duncan French,
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who runs the UFC Training Center,
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01:19:34.160
who I've had the privilege of meeting
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and discussing some of this with before,
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as well as other authors, of course.
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But they all point to the fact that there's something
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about the engagement of the neurons
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that recruit high threshold motor units in muscle
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when moving heavy loads, but not to failure,
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that has to provide some sort of feedback signal
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either to the gonad to produce more testosterone
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or is increasing the activity of receptors in the body.
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Now, why do I say that?
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Well, this is the puzzle, right?
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01:20:05.360
How is it that a particular movement,
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just like how is it that interacting with your child
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is increasing or decreasing testosterone?
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This is the kind of fundamental question
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at the mechanistic level.
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And we answered the question for child rearing.
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It has probably something to do with smell and pheromones,
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although I'm sure there are other cues as well,
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but there's clearly a influence of hard work
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at the neural level and then at the muscular level
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for increasing testosterone.
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And there's also clearly an effect of working too hard
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and presumably increasing cortisol too much,
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although I'm speculating there,
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in terms of reducing testosterone.
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And so the reason we're getting nitty gritty about this
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is because ultimately we'd really like to understand
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what are the optimal protocols?
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Out there in the literature,
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you hear move heavy objects to increase testosterone.
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Some of that will be converted
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to the more powerful androgen DHT
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by 5-alpha reductase, et cetera.
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But we really don't understand yet
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how these particular behaviors increase testosterone
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and whether or not it's doing that
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by modulating the receptors
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or it's modeling testosterone release directly,
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presumably testosterone release directly
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and sensitivity of the receptors.
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That's what most of the muscle physiology studies
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that I was able to find point to.
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But this basically boils down
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to a particular set of protocols
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where if you want to increase testosterone
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for whatever reason,
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that weight training with heavy loads,
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but not to failure seems to be the best supported,
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01:21:30.360
at least scientifically supported solution to that.
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Now, it may not raise your testosterone levels
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as high as you want,
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but it's definitely taking things in the correct direction.
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Now, many of you might be endurance athletes
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or also enjoy exercise besides heavy weight bearing exercise
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and there are several studies exploring
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whether or not endurance activity
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can increase or decrease androgen levels
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and whether or not you combine endurance activity
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and weight training,
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whether or not that has any effect
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if you do the endurance activity first or second.
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And the takeaway from all of this
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was that endurance activity, if performed first,
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leads to decreases in testosterone
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during the weight training session
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as compared to the same weight training session done first
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followed by endurance activity.
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In other words, if you want to optimize testosterone levels,
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it seems to be the case that weight training first
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and doing cardio type endurance activity afterward
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is the right order of business.
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Now, when these are done on separate days,
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it doesn't seem to have an effect.
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They showed no statistical interaction,
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but it seems that if you're going to do these
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in the same workout episode,
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that it's move heavy loads first,
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then do cardiovascular exercise.
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So there's a little bit of data looking specifically
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at how endurance exercise impacts testosterone
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and its derivatives.
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And it's very clear that high-intensity interval training,
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sprinting, et cetera,
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which somewhat mimics the neural activity that occurs
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while moving heavy weight loads
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is going to increase testosterone.
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There's ample evidence for that in the literature.
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And that endurance exercise that extends beyond 75 minutes
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is going to start to lead to reductions in testosterone,
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presumably by increases in cortisol.
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But of course, the intensity of the exercise
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is going to be important too.
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I don't think anyone really believes
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that hiking for the three hours
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is going to reduce your testosterone.
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Whereas I think if one were to go out
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and run hard for three hours,
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that you can imagine there'd be reductions in testosterone
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by way of increases in cortisol.
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And so while this area certainly needs more research,
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it's pretty clear that limiting the endurance exercise
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to 75 minutes or less, not making it too intense,
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is one way to keep cortisol from going through the roof.
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But I've talked on previous episodes
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and there are a lot of others who have talked out there
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about how to clamp cortisol,
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how to keep cortisol more reduced.
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This is also one of the reasons why you can imagine
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that various individuals, either for competition
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or just for their own purposes,
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rely on testosterone therapy, exogenous testosterone,
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not just for weight training, but for endurance exercise.
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So this is one of the reasons why every once in a while
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professional cyclists will get popped
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for performance in hectic drugs,
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meaning they'll get caught.
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And it's not just that they're increasing red blood cells
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through EPO and things of that sort.
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Oftentimes they're also taking testosterone,
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not because they want to be large
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or have massively hypertrophied muscles,
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but because they're injecting testosterone,
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they don't have to worry about
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cortisol-induced reductions in testosterone.
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They can just clamp or keep their testosterone levels high.
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Not something I'm recommending,
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but I'm just justifying the rationale
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for why an endurance athlete would want to do that at all.
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So now let's switch over to talking about estrogen.
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So there are many people
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who are trying to optimize their estrogen levels.
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And one of the places where this shows up a lot,
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and I get a lot of questions about, is menopause.
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So menopause, as I mentioned earlier,
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is this fairly massive reduction in the amount of estrogen
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that is circulating in one's blood,
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mainly because the ovary is now depleted
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of some estrogen production of its own,
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the eggs are not being produced,
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they've been depleted, et cetera.
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So menopause is characterized by a variety of symptoms.
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And it's multifaceted,
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probably deserves an entire episode on its own,
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but things like hot flashes, things like mood swings,
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things like headaches, in particular, migraine headaches.
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01:25:26.580
There can be a lot of brain fog.
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01:25:28.300
It can be very, very disruptive for people.
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01:25:30.500
Now you sometimes hear about andropause,
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01:25:32.260
which is thought to be the kind of analog to menopause,
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01:25:35.120
but menopause has certain characteristics
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01:25:37.400
that make it a very robust phenomenon for most women.
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01:25:42.740
Whereas for men,
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01:25:44.620
andropause is going to sometimes happen, sometimes won't.
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01:25:47.540
In fact, without going into the details
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01:25:49.580
of the graphs and the data,
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01:25:51.860
it's very clear, as I mentioned earlier,
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01:25:53.580
that some men maintain levels of circulating androgens
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01:25:57.780
that are quite high, even as similar as they were in puberty
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01:26:00.900
and their teen years and 20s,
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01:26:02.620
well into their 60s, 70s, and 80s,
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01:26:04.660
if they're optimizing a lot of other things,
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01:26:06.540
and probably genetics plays a role as well.
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01:26:09.180
Whereas some males won't,
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01:26:10.920
but within the female population
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01:26:13.660
or population of individuals that have ovaries,
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01:26:16.320
there's a very stereotyped and characteristic reduction
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01:26:20.060
in estrogen levels as the number of eggs becomes depleted.
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01:26:23.880
And that's what we think of as menopause.
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01:26:26.440
So what are the various things
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01:26:28.420
that one can do for menopause?
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01:26:30.000
Well, one of the most common ones
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01:26:32.620
is that physicians will prescribe supplemental estrogen.
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01:26:36.020
So this is hormone therapy
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01:26:37.780
where somebody takes either their oral estrogen
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01:26:39.860
or they'll use a patch or a pellet,
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01:26:42.060
some way to secrete estradiol into the system.
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01:26:45.460
And that has varying success, depending on the individual.
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01:26:49.320
Some people respond very well to it.
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01:26:51.000
Other people really have challenges with it.
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01:26:53.260
And there are a lot of side effects associated with it
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01:26:55.340
for some people, not others.
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01:26:57.620
In addition, there's a concern always
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01:27:00.220
about supplementing estrogen
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01:27:01.860
when there's a breast cancer background in the family,
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01:27:06.140
or there's concern about breast cancer for any reason,
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01:27:08.220
because a lot of those cancers are estrogen dependent.
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01:27:11.100
And that's why drugs like tamoxifen and anastrozole
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01:27:15.180
and drugs that block either aromatase
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01:27:18.060
or block, excuse me, estrogen receptors directly
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01:27:21.700
were initially developed.
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01:27:23.020
You see them a lot on the internet, again,
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01:27:25.180
for all the sports folks
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01:27:27.380
who are trying to increase testosterone and reduce estrogen.
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01:27:30.260
But remember, those drugs were initially developed
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01:27:32.400
as ways to prevent estrogen binding
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01:27:36.040
to the estrogen receptor as cancer treatments.
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01:27:39.140
So I want to be very clear, and I've said this many times,
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01:27:41.700
we always put in the caption of each episode, of course,
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01:27:44.780
that I'm not a physician, I'm not an MD,
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01:27:47.220
I don't prescribe anything, I'm a professor,
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01:27:48.820
I'm professed things,
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01:27:49.640
I'm here to translate the scientific literature
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01:27:51.140
and point to what might be some useful avenues
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01:27:53.380
for exploration.
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01:27:54.720
But this is just for information purposes.
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01:27:56.300
You should definitely talk to your doctor
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01:27:58.300
about anything that I'm talking about now
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01:28:00.140
or in any episode for that matter.
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01:28:02.380
So if you look at the literature on menopause
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01:28:06.220
outside of just standard estrogen therapy,
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01:28:10.120
there are some very interesting compounds out there
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01:28:12.900
that have been used and that are supported
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01:28:15.180
by quality peer-reviewed studies.
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01:28:17.420
And again, I'll refer you once again
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01:28:19.420
to this amazing website, examine.com,
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01:28:21.700
where you can put in essentially any condition
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01:28:24.300
or any supplement,
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01:28:25.140
and it will point you to the human effect matrix,
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01:28:27.400
not animal studies,
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01:28:29.420
but human studies that have explored these things.
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01:28:32.180
Now, there are a huge variety of them here,
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01:28:34.340
so I won't go into all of them,
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01:28:35.820
but some of the pro-estrogenic compounds
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01:28:38.840
that have been shown to be powerful
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01:28:42.220
in the context of menopause,
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01:28:44.300
as well as other conditions
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01:28:46.300
where estrogen is lower than one would like,
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01:28:48.980
include a description and some of the literature,
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01:28:51.340
I'll get into this in a moment,
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01:28:52.380
of something like black cohosh.
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01:28:54.940
I think that's the correct pronunciation.
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01:28:56.560
It's literally the word black and then C-O-H-O-S-H.
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01:29:00.980
And it's very interesting.
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01:29:02.640
There are 13 peer-reviewed studies
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01:29:05.820
that have reached prominence
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01:29:08.380
in the kind of commercial landscape
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01:29:10.060
where this substance, black cohosh,
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01:29:12.540
has been promoted as a way to increase estrogen.
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01:29:15.140
Turns out that the effects are consistent,
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01:29:18.320
but are fairly minor,
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01:29:19.500
fairly minor increases in estrogen.
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01:29:22.260
So it does seem to be a real effect.
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01:29:25.080
It is significant over the placebo effect,
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01:29:27.980
but there's also a significant placebo effect
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01:29:30.940
in some of these studies as well.
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01:29:32.700
So what's interesting when you look at these studies
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01:29:35.700
is that many of them were carried out
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01:29:38.060
over a period of six plus months,
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01:29:40.380
they're double-blind studies, et cetera,
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01:29:42.460
and almost all of them led to modest increases in estrogen
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01:29:46.820
and modest decreases in menopause-related symptoms.
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01:29:52.240
Now, a few additional details about these studies,
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01:29:56.220
they were generally carried out on women age 45 to 64.
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01:30:00.580
In some cases, they look specifically at women
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01:30:03.320
that were clinically obese or overweight,
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01:30:05.140
although not always.
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01:30:07.040
The subject size pools are pretty big,
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01:30:09.500
anywhere from 50 to 87,
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01:30:12.080
these are decent size, 132 subjects, et cetera.
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01:30:16.060
So these look to be like quality studies,
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01:30:18.180
and they basically point to the fact
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01:30:19.340
that black cohosh can have a modest effect
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01:30:22.580
in improving menopause symptoms.
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01:30:25.040
The other one is Panax ginseng, so P-N-A-X, ginseng,
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01:30:31.640
has been shown to decrease some symptoms
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01:30:33.340
associated with menopause, mostly related to libido,
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01:30:37.080
although the other effects were unreliable.
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01:30:40.220
Other things like maca,
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01:30:41.700
which is known to increase dopamine actually,
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01:30:43.780
had minor effects, things like,
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01:30:46.460
the names here are a little hard to pronounce,
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01:30:47.980
so forgive me, things like Valeriana officionalis
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01:30:52.980
has shown that there can be some improvement
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01:30:55.820
in the hot flash symptoms
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01:30:57.440
and some of the insomnia associated with that,
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01:30:59.340
so that might be worth exploring,
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01:31:01.180
again, discuss with your doctor,
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01:31:02.720
but these were both 100 subject plus
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01:31:07.380
age 45 to 64 individuals,
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01:31:09.420
double-blind placebo-controlled studies
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01:31:11.540
that showed significant but modest effects.
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01:31:14.620
There was one substance in the gallery
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01:31:17.940
of the compounds that was looked at
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01:31:21.840
that turns out to be particularly interesting,
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01:31:24.500
and this one is also particularly difficult to pronounce,
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01:31:27.540
and it's Puraria mirifica,
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01:31:32.020
so I'm going to spell this out for you.
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01:31:33.780
It's P-U-E-R-A-R-I-A, Puraria mirifica, M-I-R-I-F-I-C-A,
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01:31:46.340
and there are four studies on this compound
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01:31:49.100
that show in every case it to be very potent,
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01:31:53.260
in fact, comparable to estrogen therapy,
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01:31:56.100
estrogen replacement therapy,
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01:31:57.940
in reducing the symptoms of menopause,
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01:31:59.780
so this was pretty striking
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01:32:01.260
because when you go through these studies
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01:32:02.620
and you look again, they seem to be pretty well controlled
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01:32:06.920
as far as I could tell,
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01:32:08.740
and they explored a pretty wide subject pool,
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01:32:12.560
and it seems that every single one of these studies
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01:32:16.140
when looking side-by-side at Puraria mirifica,
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01:32:21.300
which is also called,
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01:32:22.840
now this is really hard to pronounce, quaocuracao,
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01:32:26.380
I guess that's the name that they use in various countries,
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01:32:30.380
that it was comparable to estrogen replacement therapy,
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01:32:33.900
so I mention this because a lot of people contacted me
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01:32:36.900
and said, what about the insomnia in menopause?
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01:32:39.160
What about the headaches in menopause?
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01:32:41.100
Now, I'm not suggesting you run out
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01:32:42.580
and immediately start taking any of these compounds.
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01:32:44.340
Please talk to your doctor.
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01:32:46.180
Any hormone-related compound is a serious consideration
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01:32:50.660
because of the relationship to breast cancers,
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01:32:53.140
but just in general, these compounds are,
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01:32:55.420
estrogen and testosterone are exceedingly powerful
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01:32:57.780
in terms of controlling our mental and physical states,
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01:33:01.200
and so you want to approach them with caution,
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01:33:03.520
but I thought that that one in particular was interesting
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01:33:06.380
and for which there are quite a few PubMed-documented
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01:33:10.620
peer-reviewed studies in quality journals.
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01:33:13.320
Okay, so now let's talk about the role of specific compounds,
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01:33:16.340
some of which, many of which,
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01:33:17.840
can be taken in supplementation form
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01:33:20.040
or extracted from diet and nutrition
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01:33:22.520
in order to optimize sex steroid hormones,
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01:33:25.620
and again, I just want to emphasize
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01:33:27.660
that I'm not suggesting anyone take anything
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01:33:29.660
or stop taking anything.
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01:33:31.020
This is purely for informational purposes,
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01:33:33.060
but some of the data on these
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01:33:34.460
is quite striking and impressive.
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01:33:39.220
It's very clear that certain collections of nutrients
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01:33:44.100
are useful for promoting testosterone and estrogen production
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01:33:48.660
in their proper ratios,
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01:33:50.580
and those things are what I would call
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01:33:52.880
the sort of usual suspects.
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01:33:54.780
Vitamin D, which is important for so many biological
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01:33:58.180
functions, including endocrine functions,
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01:34:00.500
zinc, magnesium, et cetera,
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01:34:04.020
and if you want to look into this more deeply
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01:34:06.300
and you want to understand exactly what the negative effects
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01:34:08.720
are of not having sufficient zinc, magnesium,
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01:34:10.920
and what those levels might actually be,
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01:34:13.300
there's a paper that's available, you can go on PubMed,
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01:34:16.580
I can't pronounce this last name, I'm sorry,
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01:34:18.580
it looks to me like Wrozosek, but it's W-R-Z-O-S-E-K.
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01:34:25.060
I hope I didn't butcher that too badly.
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01:34:27.820
Wrozosek et al, 2020 in Endocrinology and Metabolism Review.
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01:34:33.040
So there's a recent paper in a good peer review journal
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01:34:35.940
that talks mainly about how the hypothalamic
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01:34:39.260
pituitary adrenal axis and the sex steroid hormones
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01:34:43.020
are negatively impacted by deficiencies in magnesium,
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01:34:47.400
deficiencies in vitamin D, and deficiencies in zinc.
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01:34:50.060
However, that doesn't point to the levels
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01:34:53.260
that one should take in order to optimize.
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01:34:56.580
So it doesn't say take X amount of zinc
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01:34:58.780
or X amount of magnesium or X amount of vitamin D.
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01:35:01.180
For that information, because it's so context dependent
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01:35:05.820
and individual dependent, I highly recommend
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01:35:07.860
you go to examine.com.
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01:35:09.460
You can put in zinc or magnesium or vitamin D,
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01:35:11.660
and they will give you ranges of dosages
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01:35:14.060
that are supported by specific studies.
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01:35:15.880
Again, that information is completely free to you,
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01:35:18.780
and it's very useful in figuring that out.
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01:35:22.100
I personally have supplemented with zinc, magnesium,
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01:35:24.600
and vitamin D for years,
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01:35:26.900
but many other people do that as well.
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01:35:28.380
And the question is always how much?
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01:35:29.660
And that's why I'm a proponent of getting blood work done
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01:35:32.220
because that's how you know whether or not
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01:35:33.420
your androgen levels, as well as things like
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01:35:36.100
vitamin D levels, et cetera, are sufficiently high.
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01:35:39.220
So the takeaway from these studies
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01:35:40.780
looking at what deficiencies cause
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01:35:43.260
in terms of deficits in testosterone and estrogen
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01:35:45.820
really point in the direction of
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01:35:47.700
make sure you're getting adequate zinc, magnesium, and D3
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01:35:50.580
unless you want these steroid hormone levels
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01:35:53.340
to be reduced for whatever reason.
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01:35:55.260
One of the things that's been shown time and time again
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01:35:57.680
to have very negative effects on sex steroid hormones,
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01:36:00.900
testosterone mainly in men, estrogen mainly in women,
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01:36:04.340
is opioids.
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01:36:06.540
There's this whole issue, of course, of the opioid epidemic.
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01:36:10.460
It's deserving of an entire episode
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01:36:11.900
where you're going to talk about that
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01:36:13.580
with experts in addiction
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01:36:15.900
and people that treat pain and so forth,
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01:36:19.180
but the opioids dramatically reduce levels
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01:36:23.500
of testosterone and estrogen.
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01:36:25.460
And they do that mainly by disrupting the receptors
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01:36:29.500
on gonadotropin-releasing hormone neurons,
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01:36:31.780
these neurons within the hypothalamus
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01:36:33.300
that communicate to the pituitary.
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01:36:34.940
And in fact, people that take large amounts of opioids
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01:36:38.260
or even take low levels of opioids for long periods of time
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01:36:41.440
will develop all sorts of endocrine syndromes.
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01:36:44.020
That's been shown over and over again.
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01:36:45.860
Gynecomastia or male breast development in males,
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01:36:48.700
disruptions to the ovary in females.
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01:36:51.100
It's really a quite terrible situation.
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01:36:53.660
So excessive opioids are very problematic
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01:36:58.140
for sex steroid hormones.
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01:36:59.540
I don't think anyone will have any trouble
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01:37:02.020
finding any literature on that.
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01:37:03.140
You can just go into PubMed,
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01:37:04.100
you can put opioids, testosterone or opioids, estrogen,
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01:37:09.060
but the major effect is actually way up
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01:37:11.000
in the hypothalamus to shut down the production of GnRH,
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01:37:14.020
the very hormone that stimulates
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01:37:15.760
testosterone and estrogen release.
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01:37:17.960
Now there's an entire industry devoted to supplements
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01:37:21.500
and various things that people can take
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01:37:22.900
to increase testosterone.
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01:37:24.220
Some of which have scientific data to support them,
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01:37:27.580
some of which do not,
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01:37:29.140
and some of which have anecdotal support
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01:37:31.540
and some of which do not.
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01:37:33.300
This ranges so broadly.
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01:37:35.020
I mean, things like the material off deer antlers,
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01:37:38.740
which is high in supposedly IGF-1,
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01:37:41.340
which is in the growth hormone pathway,
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01:37:43.740
all the way to actual consumption of bull testes.
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01:37:48.640
You can go on Amazon right now,
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01:37:50.160
I certainly don't suggest that you do this,
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01:37:51.000
and you can actually buy ground-up testes from cows,
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01:37:57.860
and you can consume those.
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01:37:59.420
Now, a lot of that's going to be broken down in the gut.
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01:38:01.260
I'm certainly not suggesting you do that,
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01:38:02.900
but just to point out, this is a huge and vast literature,
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01:38:06.080
and it actually dates back hundreds of years,
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01:38:08.040
even though testosterone wasn't discovered that long ago
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01:38:12.260
as a specific hormone molecule
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01:38:14.580
and characterized and then resynthesized,
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01:38:18.020
it has a huge industry
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01:38:20.100
because of the powerful effects that it has.
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01:38:22.400
Likewise with estrogen,
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01:38:23.760
the development of the birth control pill
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01:38:25.540
was only made possible by understanding the structure
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01:38:28.140
of estrogen and estradiol,
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01:38:29.980
and we're going to talk all about birth control
link |
01:38:31.660
and how it works and its influence on various other pathways
link |
01:38:35.020
in a future episode.
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01:38:36.460
But there are these supplement compounds
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01:38:38.780
that are supported by the scientific literature
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01:38:41.800
in terms of their ability to adjust androgens,
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01:38:45.380
things like testosterone and dihydrotestosterone.
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01:38:48.340
One of the ones that has really good evidence for it
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01:38:50.940
is creatine.
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01:38:53.020
It's very clear that something about creatine,
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01:38:55.900
although the mechanism isn't exactly clear,
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01:38:58.520
either increases 5-alpha reductase
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01:39:01.300
or makes the testosterone molecule more susceptible
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01:39:04.440
to certain enzymatic reactions
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01:39:07.220
that leads to increases in DHT.
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01:39:09.300
DHT, dihydrotestosterone,
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01:39:11.760
as I mentioned in the previous episode,
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01:39:13.080
has this dramatic role in creating
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01:39:15.900
a kind of masculinization of the brain prenatally.
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01:39:19.100
It also defines the primary sex characteristic
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01:39:22.620
of the growth of the penis, et cetera,
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01:39:24.540
and beyond infancy and early childhood and later in life,
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01:39:29.180
it has powerful effects in creating balding
link |
01:39:31.860
and beard growth, et cetera,
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01:39:33.020
and it has a much higher affinity for the androgen receptor
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01:39:36.740
than does testosterone.
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01:39:39.180
So creatine can increase DHT,
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01:39:42.040
which means that if you take creatine
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01:39:45.020
and you're very DHT susceptible,
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01:39:47.500
then you might experience some hair loss.
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01:39:49.660
This has been heavily debated.
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01:39:50.820
Does creatine cause baldness?
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01:39:52.280
It's going to depend.
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01:39:53.120
It's going to depend on how much 5-alpha reductase you have
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01:39:55.540
and how prone to hair loss you are.
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01:39:58.020
Some people can take creatine without any problem
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01:40:00.840
in terms of hair loss.
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01:40:01.680
Some people cannot.
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01:40:02.700
They start losing their hair to levels
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01:40:05.060
that, at least for them, aren't comfortable.
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01:40:07.940
There are a few other things that can increase testosterone,
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01:40:10.540
and it has to do with the way that testosterone exists
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01:40:13.780
in its free and its bound form.
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01:40:16.020
So testosterone, the molecule,
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01:40:19.340
is got a total testosterone.
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01:40:20.840
That's usually what's measured.
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01:40:21.840
This is the kind of levels
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01:40:23.140
that are typically thrown around
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of anywhere from 300 to 900,
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01:40:26.180
being the kind of natural range,
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01:40:27.620
and then super physiological,
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01:40:29.380
getting up into 1200, 1600 range.
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01:40:32.020
But testosterone isn't just roaming around free
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in the blood, at least most of it isn't.
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01:40:37.940
Most of it is bound
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01:40:39.140
to either sex hormone binding globulin, SHBG,
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01:40:43.200
or to albumin.
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01:40:44.460
They're needed as transporters
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01:40:46.100
to get testosterone into cells
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01:40:48.140
so that testosterone can have its effects
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01:40:49.940
on gene expression,
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01:40:51.220
as well as other pathways within the cells.
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01:40:54.620
So people talk about that the level of free testosterone
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01:40:58.380
is really what's important
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01:40:59.540
and that you want to optimize free testosterone.
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01:41:01.900
That's a little bit of a tricky statement.
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01:41:03.820
That's kind of like it's true,
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01:41:07.540
and yet it's not really reflective
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01:41:10.560
of a thorough understanding
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01:41:11.780
of how these binding globulins work.
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01:41:14.400
Remember, these binding globulins
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01:41:15.660
aren't there to soak up all your testosterone
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01:41:17.540
just to make it hard for you to free up testosterone
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01:41:19.620
and make gains in the gym or whatever it is,
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01:41:22.940
or have increases in libido.
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01:41:24.140
They're there to actually transport testosterone
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01:41:26.820
to specific tissues,
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01:41:28.280
to shuttle them to specific tissues,
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01:41:30.020
and to set the rate of bound and unbound testosterone
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01:41:34.000
so that it's not all unbound at once.
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01:41:36.500
And it's always interesting to look in the literature
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01:41:39.300
and see how everyone wants to free up their testosterone
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01:41:41.940
so that it can work.
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01:41:42.780
But sex hormone binding globulin
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01:41:46.020
can bind up too much testosterone
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01:41:47.860
to the point where it's having negative effects on libido
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01:41:50.380
or on muscle growth and fat loss and things of that sort.
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01:41:53.300
This is true in males and females.
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01:41:55.140
Or it can be doing exactly what it's supposed to do,
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01:41:58.520
which is shuttling testosterone to the proper tissues
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01:42:01.340
and organs where it has all these effects,
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01:42:02.860
including the brain.
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01:42:04.260
So there are supplements, in particular, Tonga Ali,
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01:42:09.900
which has this other name.
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01:42:11.500
It's something I've called Tonga Ali.
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01:42:13.440
Sometimes it's called, and forgive me,
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01:42:15.580
that's hard to pronounce,
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01:42:16.560
but uricoma longifolia jack.
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01:42:21.480
They always seem to have these names
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01:42:22.760
that kind of allude to androgenic features,
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01:42:27.120
like I don't know why longifolia jack.
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01:42:29.300
I don't know.
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01:42:30.240
I think it's kind of obvious
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01:42:31.380
why that sounds sort of androgenic.
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01:42:35.740
This has been shown in several studies,
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01:42:37.600
and you can find these on examine.com,
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01:42:39.140
or you can go to PubMed if you like.
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01:42:40.420
I've looked at these.
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01:42:41.260
That it does seem to have some pro-fertility,
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01:42:43.780
pro-free testosterone and subtle aphrodisiac effects.
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01:42:49.180
It does also seem to be a slight anti-estrogen.
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01:42:52.540
So the reports of this are people take this
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01:42:56.020
anywhere from 400 to 800 milligrams a day.
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01:42:58.460
Again, I'm not suggesting you do that,
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01:42:59.880
but that's kind of what's out there.
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01:43:01.260
And there is some decent scientific literature
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01:43:03.860
to support the fact that it liberates
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01:43:05.680
some of the bound testosterone
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01:43:07.820
and allows more free testosterone to be available.
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01:43:10.540
Some of the reported quote-unquote side effects
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01:43:12.900
are things like excessive alertness and insomnia
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01:43:15.900
if it's taken too late in the day and so forth.
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01:43:17.660
But I encourage you to explore that further
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01:43:19.820
if increasing free testosterone
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01:43:22.580
is something that you're interested in doing.
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01:43:25.460
examine.com includes a lot of other things
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01:43:29.580
that can increase testosterone.
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01:43:31.900
One of the things that's been purported
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01:43:34.260
to free up testosterone in the blood
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01:43:36.940
are things like nettles, stinging nettles.
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01:43:39.820
Although I should point out that the literature points
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01:43:41.780
to stinging nettle also having some fairly potent effects
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01:43:45.120
on the prostate and on the liver.
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01:43:47.300
And so it might be a tricky molecule,
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01:43:49.060
maybe not an attractive one for people to take.
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01:43:52.280
So we talked about creatine, we talked about Tonga Ali.
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01:43:54.460
It's clear that boron, which is really interesting,
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01:43:57.380
believe it or not, I think boron comes from,
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01:44:00.200
I think these were like meteors that landed on earth
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01:44:02.420
that now they extract boron.
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01:44:03.860
It's one of these crazy stories that when you look at it,
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01:44:07.400
you go, how could that possibly be?
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01:44:08.660
But there's actually, that's how it works.
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01:44:11.020
That boron, there's some scientific support for it
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01:44:15.120
freeing up more testosterone.
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01:44:16.500
And again, freeing up testosterone
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01:44:17.720
may be exactly what you want.
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01:44:19.280
I just don't think that we should demonize
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01:44:21.140
these carrier proteins like albumin and SHBG.
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01:44:23.860
In fact, albumin is very important for testosterone
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01:44:26.660
to be able to make it into the brain
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01:44:28.300
to have some of the pro-androgenic effects
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01:44:31.420
on the cognitive effects of testosterone,
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01:44:33.580
because in both males and females,
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01:44:35.220
testosterone can shift these behaviors
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01:44:38.140
like mate-seeking, reductions in anxiety and so forth
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01:44:43.280
that we talked about before, only by making it
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01:44:45.660
into the brain.
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01:44:46.480
And there is this thing called the blood-brain barrier,
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01:44:48.460
which is fascinating and deserving of an entire episode also
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01:44:51.860
and getting molecules across the blood-brain barrier,
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01:44:54.840
even if they're sex steroid hormones,
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01:44:56.700
which are lipophilic and can pass through cell membranes,
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01:44:59.380
requires carriers.
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01:45:00.820
And those carriers often are bound to or include albumin.
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01:45:05.620
And so it's not the goal to free up all your testosterone,
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01:45:11.220
but getting free testosterone into a range
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01:45:13.140
that works for your particular goals and needs
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01:45:15.580
is an attractive one.
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01:45:17.180
And that's why we're discussing these particular tools.
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01:45:19.700
The amounts of boron that people take,
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01:45:21.900
and you can find this again on PubMed or Examine,
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01:45:24.300
but people take a couple grams of it a day.
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01:45:26.420
I'm not aware of any specific side effects,
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01:45:28.120
but you always, always, always want to examine
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01:45:30.260
for the particular side effects.
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01:45:31.980
And people with different backgrounds and conditions,
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01:45:34.580
as we talked about for menopause and estrogen,
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01:45:37.100
have to be careful,
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01:45:38.100
because when you're starting to modulate hormones,
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01:45:40.900
you're starting to modulate not just the tissues
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01:45:44.020
that thrive on binding of those hormones,
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01:45:46.900
but remember, the reason why there's so much breast cancer,
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01:45:51.220
and there's a reason why there's so much testicular cancer,
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01:45:53.340
is that any tissue that undergoes
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01:45:55.320
rapid reproduction of particular cells,
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01:45:58.240
so there's a lot of reproduction of cells
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01:46:00.660
and shedding of uterine lining,
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01:46:01.900
and the reproduction of cells and eggs in the ovary,
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01:46:04.580
and in the testes, there's the production
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01:46:06.260
of Leydig and Sertoli cells,
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01:46:09.220
and there's this kind of ongoing production of sperm,
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01:46:12.660
that's why those tissues are particularly vulnerable
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01:46:15.460
to the development of cancers.
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01:46:16.640
And many of those cancers are androgen-sensitive.
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01:46:18.860
That's why one of the major treatments
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01:46:21.240
for prostate overgrowth or prostate cancer
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01:46:23.740
is to give antiandrogenic drugs, okay?
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01:46:26.740
It's not just a shutdown,
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01:46:28.340
all things related to being androgenized,
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01:46:33.020
it's really about trying to prevent testosterone
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01:46:35.720
from encouraging growth of tumors.
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01:46:37.660
So I want to really emphasize the caution there,
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01:46:41.540
because it is easy when thinking about
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01:46:43.780
optimizing estrogen and testosterone to just think,
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01:46:46.180
oh, more is better, more is definitely not better,
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01:46:48.940
and it's not just because they can aromatize
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01:46:50.740
or convert into other things,
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01:46:52.400
it's because cancers or any tissue
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01:46:54.920
that has a lot of turnover of cells
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01:46:57.780
is going to thrive on androgen,
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01:47:00.340
anything that promotes growth,
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01:47:01.580
it's going to thrive on estrogen.
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01:47:03.540
Remember, brain tissue doesn't turn over that much,
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01:47:05.740
there isn't really much production of new neurons,
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01:47:07.660
brain cancers happen, but they're kind of rare,
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01:47:09.580
and when they do happen, they tend to be glial cells,
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01:47:11.900
which have a lot of proliferation.
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01:47:13.520
Glial cells can proliferate,
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01:47:14.940
adult neurons don't create more of themselves,
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01:47:17.060
they don't create more neurons in general,
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01:47:19.420
except in a few places in the brain and body.
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01:47:21.860
So any tissue that recycles itself is prone to cancers,
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01:47:27.240
and those tissues thrive on androgens and estrogens
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01:47:31.260
to create more tumors,
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01:47:32.640
so you have to be careful
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01:47:34.060
anytime you're modulating hormones,
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01:47:35.580
especially androgens and estrogens.
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01:47:38.420
And in my scouring of the literature
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01:47:40.020
and looking at kind of what's out there
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01:47:41.820
and what people are talking about,
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01:47:43.860
and I also mean in the scientific literature,
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01:47:46.700
one of the things that is new to me anyway,
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01:47:49.860
probably not new to a lot of the gym rats out there,
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01:47:54.380
or the people that spend a lot of time on YouTube videos
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01:47:56.460
talking about androgens,
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01:47:58.820
are these, forgive me for butchering the name again,
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01:48:01.540
are these ectosteroids.
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01:48:03.620
So ectosteroids are molecules
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01:48:08.360
that come from things like spinach, believe it or not,
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01:48:12.100
that have a lot of similarity to the cholesterol molecule.
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01:48:16.420
The one that's being discussed a lot out there right now
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01:48:19.220
is something called turkisterone.
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01:48:21.860
I wish I knew why it was called turkisterone.
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01:48:23.500
Someone tell me why it's called turkisterone.
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01:48:25.020
Does it have anything to do with turkeys?
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01:48:27.380
I don't know why it's called turkisterone.
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01:48:30.300
Perhaps someone will know.
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01:48:32.300
In any case, these ectosteroids
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01:48:35.020
are similar enough to cholesterol.
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01:48:36.820
Remember, cholesterol is the precursor
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01:48:39.300
to testosterone, cortisol, and estrogen.
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01:48:42.060
And it appears that some of these ectosteroids
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01:48:45.780
do have bioavailability,
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01:48:48.060
or their metabolites are bioavailable.
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01:48:49.980
And this was something that for many years,
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01:48:52.620
people talked about whether or not insect hormones
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01:48:55.220
or hormones from other species
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01:48:56.740
could actually be used by humans,
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01:48:58.940
or whether or not it would have any effect at all.
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01:49:01.320
And it's pretty clear,
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01:49:02.720
based on a study that I was able to find,
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01:49:04.400
there's a paper that came out in 2019.
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01:49:06.980
It's a comparative study in the archives of toxicology.
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01:49:11.100
This is Isenman et al., I-S-E-N-M-A-N-N et al.,
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01:49:15.900
that talks about the ectosteroids
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01:49:18.740
and was given in conjunction with strength training
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01:49:21.960
or no strength training.
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01:49:22.860
This is a 10-week intervention.
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01:49:24.300
And their conclusion is that these ectosteroids
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01:49:27.540
had a fairly significant, above placebo controls,
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01:49:31.360
increases in muscle mass, strength, hypertrophy effects,
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01:49:34.940
all the sorts of things that one would expect
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01:49:37.020
with increases in androgen.
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01:49:39.540
Their conclusion of this study is not my conclusion,
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01:49:43.540
although I may or may not agree with them.
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01:49:45.300
This isn't about my opinions.
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01:49:46.540
It's just, I want to be clear,
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01:49:47.480
these are their words, not mine.
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01:49:48.940
But they say that, in their words, quote,
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01:49:52.900
"'Our results strongly suggest the inclusion of ectosteroid
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01:49:55.460
in the list of prohibitive substances.'"
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01:49:56.920
So they're saying these things are so powerful
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01:49:58.580
that they should be on the list of banned substances,
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01:50:00.240
which might be upsetting to some,
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01:50:04.340
or some of you might be thinking, well, who cares?
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01:50:07.420
The whole issue of augmenting hormones in sports
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01:50:12.620
is a very interesting issue.
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01:50:14.600
In fact, if you just want a little anecdote about that,
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01:50:16.900
I can't reveal names here, of course,
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01:50:18.860
but what I learned recently was very surprising to me,
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01:50:21.860
which is that many athletes in pro sports
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01:50:24.860
are taking testosterone,
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01:50:27.020
and they are able to do that legally,
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01:50:30.540
not just because it's available by prescription,
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01:50:32.500
but they are allowed to do that
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01:50:33.860
under the rules of their sport,
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01:50:35.860
in the fine print that no one, including me, had ever seen,
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01:50:39.780
if they've had an injury.
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01:50:41.140
So if athletes are injured,
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01:50:42.800
then it opens up the door for certain forms
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01:50:45.660
of testosterone augmentation,
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01:50:47.860
and other types of augmentations
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01:50:50.460
that are not available to them if they're not injured,
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01:50:52.740
which always makes me wonder now,
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01:50:54.140
when I see them getting injured,
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01:50:55.180
whether or not that's an attempt to get some of the support,
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01:50:57.660
because there's absolutely no question
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01:51:00.060
that estrogens and testosterone modulate gene expression,
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01:51:03.980
modulate strength, modulate the way the brain works,
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01:51:06.380
modulates our relationship to effort and anxiety, et cetera.
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01:51:09.660
And while we're talking about supplementation,
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01:51:11.820
the effects of supplementation,
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01:51:14.540
I would say in some individuals can be quite dramatic,
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01:51:17.100
but they're always, always, always,
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01:51:20.740
except in extreme cases, going to be far subtler,
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01:51:24.980
excuse me, far more subtle, to use the proper English,
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01:51:29.900
far more subtle than would be, for instance,
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01:51:32.080
just in injecting testosterone
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01:51:34.540
or injecting estrogen, et cetera.
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01:51:36.780
So I think we should just be honest and upfront about that.
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01:51:41.260
So thus far, in terms of talking about optimizing hormones,
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01:51:44.980
and in the discussion of supplementation,
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01:51:48.460
I haven't really talked about things
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01:51:49.800
that actually affect the brain directly,
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01:51:51.740
that increase the pituitary output and things of that sort.
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01:51:54.780
We've mainly been talking about things
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01:51:55.880
that free up testosterone,
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01:51:57.460
or that increase estrogen at the level of the periphery.
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01:52:00.580
But if you remember way back to the beginning
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01:52:02.100
of this episode,
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01:52:02.980
hormones are made in different locations in the body,
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01:52:05.120
and there are hormones that promote the release
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01:52:07.840
and the production of hormones
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01:52:09.380
from other tissues in the body.
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01:52:10.440
And one of the main hormones for that is luteinizing hormone.
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01:52:14.140
Luteinizing hormone, again,
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01:52:15.300
comes from the pituitary, circulates,
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01:52:17.200
and either goes to the ovary
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01:52:18.820
to promote various aspects of egg maturation,
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01:52:23.940
as well as production of estrogen,
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01:52:26.660
and to the testes to promote testosterone and sperm production.
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01:52:31.700
And the prescription version
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01:52:35.360
of increasing luteinizing hormone is something called HCG,
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01:52:39.100
or human chorionic gonadotropin,
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01:52:40.740
which has been synthesized
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01:52:41.920
and is now available as a prescription drug.
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01:52:44.460
It's taken in various contexts for increasing fertility,
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01:52:48.860
both by males and by females.
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01:52:51.020
It can increase, for all the reasons that now make sense,
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01:52:54.680
it can increase sperm production,
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01:52:56.020
it can produce ovulation frequency,
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01:52:59.020
it can produce the number of eggs even that are deployed
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01:53:02.180
in a given ovulation,
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01:53:03.660
although that's not always a good thing.
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01:53:06.420
It basically is pro-fertility, pro-testosterone,
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01:53:10.020
pro-estrogen, depending on your background.
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01:53:12.940
And what's interesting is HCG was initially synthesized,
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01:53:19.540
collected and synthesized from pregnant women's urine,
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01:53:22.220
and believe it or not, before it was synthetically made
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01:53:27.020
and sold as a prescription drug,
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01:53:29.720
there was actually a black market for pregnant women's urine
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01:53:33.560
where people would buy the urine.
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01:53:35.260
I don't know, I'm guessing that they probably
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01:53:37.840
just consumed it, which is weird.
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01:53:40.580
But in any case, human chorionic gonadotropin
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01:53:44.180
is now available as a prescription drug,
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01:53:46.320
and it's one of the things that many people use
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01:53:48.540
to increase testosterone or estrogen
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01:53:51.180
for increasing fertility.
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01:53:52.580
In some cases, I think it's used
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01:53:54.100
to increase sports performance
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01:53:55.740
or when people have shut down their gonads
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01:53:59.120
for whatever reason, because of excessive hormone therapies
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01:54:01.940
or they have some sort of,
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01:54:04.980
sometimes they're actually lesions to the pituitary.
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01:54:07.600
Sometimes people have a tumor in the pituitary.
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01:54:10.220
It's actually not common,
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01:54:11.940
but among brain tumors and neural tumors,
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01:54:14.320
it's one of the more common ones.
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01:54:15.900
And then you get deficiencies in LH and FSH,
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01:54:18.340
and so people will take HCG to stimulate the gonads.
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01:54:20.920
So there are a variety of reasons
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01:54:21.900
why these drugs were created.
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01:54:23.820
But there are certain supplements, not many,
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01:54:26.380
that apparently can increase luteinizing hormone
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01:54:28.980
and thereby can increase testosterone and estrogen.
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01:54:31.980
And one of the more well-documented ones
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01:54:34.540
is Fadogia agrestis, that's F-A-D-O-G-I-A,
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01:54:39.140
separate word A-G-R-E-S-T-I-S,
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which, at least according to the literature
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that I was able to find,
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can increase levels of luteinizing hormone
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and thereby levels of testosterone or levels of estrogen.
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And again, if an individual were to take Fadogia agrestis,
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what they would probably find is that
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testosterone and estrogen would increase
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in any one of any chromosomal or gonadal background.
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But remember, it's the ratio of both.
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So both, if someone has low estrogen, high testosterone,
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let's say they have testes just by way of example,
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then both of those would be expected to increase.
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And if someone has high estrogen and low testosterone,
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and let's just say has ovaries,
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then both of those would increase
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by taking Fadogia agrestis.
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The side effect profile of Fadogia agrestis
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hasn't really been documented, so it's a little unclear.
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I just want to emphasize
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that anytime someone's going to start taking supplements
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that, or modifying sex steroid hormones,
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getting blood work done is extremely important
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for safety reasons,
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and also just to know whether or not things are working.
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And because all of these things
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are subject to negative feedback,
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talked about this previously,
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previous episode,
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but if testosterone goes high or too high,
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it can feed back and shut down luteinizing hormone,
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which will then shut down for the testosterone production.
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Likewise, if estrogens are going too high
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or they're going too high at various phases of the cycle,
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that can start to throw off various other hormones,
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including FSH, progesterone, LH.
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The menstrual cycle itself
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is a just absolutely exquisite balance
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of feedback of luteinizing hormone kept low and constant,
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at least for the first 14 days of the cycle.
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Then mid-cycle, there's a peak,
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and that's typically when ovulation occurs.
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That's why pregnancy is most likely
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during the middle of the 28-day cycle.
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FSH kind of goes up and then down across the first 14 days.
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So taking anything or really modifying one's estrogens
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or testosterone on that background of the menstrual cycle
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is really going to disrupt the way those things interact,
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and it's just such an exquisite feedback loop.
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So I'm not saying don't do that,
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but you definitely want to be aware of what you're doing,
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and blood draws are one way to do that.
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Monitoring cycles for ovulating females
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is another way to do that.
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And in males, having a good window
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into what's going on with testosterone,
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DHT, aromatase, estradiol, LH, et cetera, is just vital.
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And it's really part and parcel
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with the practice of thinking about optimizing
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these incredible things that we call sex steroid hormones,
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estrogen, and testosterone, and their derivatives.
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The list of supplements and molecules
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that can adjust estrogen and testosterone is vast,
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and I only touched on a few of these.
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I really tried to emphasize the ones
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for which there are human studies
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or that have mostly human studies,
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or maybe even just one human study.
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There are other things out there
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for which there are scientific data,
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things like bulbine natalensis,
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which definitely has support for increasing testosterone,
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but all the studies were in rats.
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I think there is some evidence in humans,
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but the evidence mainly comes in the form
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of what we call sponsored research,
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so companies paying for research,
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which is different than independent research
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by people who are not biased in terms of the outcome.
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And the reason I didn't throw out things
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like bulbine natalensis is they seem to have liver toxicity
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similar to high levels of anabolic exogenous steroids.
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There's some problems associated with them
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that make them important to think about
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if you're curious about this area and the endocrinology,
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but also somewhat precarious.
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And that's one category,
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so stuff that doesn't have a lot of evidence in humans
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might actually be dangerous.
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The other category of things that has been shown to improve
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or levels of, or increase, I should say,
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I don't want to say improve because it's up to you
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whether or not you want to increase
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or decrease estrogen and testosterone.
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That's highly individual, how could I know,
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are the things that are kind of housekeeping
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for production of estrogen and testosterone,
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things like magnesium, things like D3, things like zinc.
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Those are the things that are going to create
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an overall milieu of opportunity
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to produce normal endogenous levels
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rather than increasing endogenous levels further.
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And so I really want to highlight that there's a difference
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between taking something to create a kind of backdrop
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of general support and taking something
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that's going to create a big inflection
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in the levels of a given hormone.
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So once again, we covered a tremendous amount of information.
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We covered some basic science of hormones and pheromones,
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estrogen and testosterone and their derivatives.
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We talked about supplementation and behaviors,
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competition and parenting,
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and how all these things interact.
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And I hope that you'll come away from this
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with a deeper mechanistic understanding
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of how the brain and body are interacting
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to control the output and the ways
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in which these incredible things
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that we call sex steroid hormones work and influence us.
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I hope you'll also come away with some ideas
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of things that you can do
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in particular behavioral practices that can improve sleep
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and your relationship to light, et cetera,
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because those things really set the foundation
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not just for healthy steroid hormone output,
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but for all sorts of health effects
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and for both the psychology and the biology
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of your nervous system.
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So I'm sure there'll be many questions.
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There are many things that I couldn't get to today.
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I do try and limit these episodes to about 90 minutes,
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which is the optimal ultradian cycle for learning.
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It's a lot of information,
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but we've timestamped everything for you.
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So feel free to look over it in parts or circle back
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where you might want deeper understanding.
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with a much richer understanding of the mechanisms
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that control the endocrine and nervous system
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in the context of estrogen and testosterone,
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as well as take away various tools
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that you might choose to apply.
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And next week, we'll be back with another episode
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about the role of hormones
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and its important interactions with the nervous system.
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And that will, of course,
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include both mechanisms and tools as well.
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And as always, thank you for your interest in science.
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And as always, thank you for your interest in science.