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How to Focus to Change Your Brain | Huberman Lab Podcast #6



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Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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where we discuss science and science-based tools
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for everyday life.
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My name is Andrew Huberman,
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and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology
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at Stanford School of Medicine.
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This podcast is separate
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from my teaching and research roles at Stanford.
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Today, we're talking about neural plasticity,
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which is this incredible feature of our nervous systems
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that allows it to change in response to experience.
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Neural plasticity is arguably
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one of the most important aspects of our biology.
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It holds the promise for each and all of us
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to think differently, to learn new things,
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to forget painful experiences,
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and to essentially adapt to anything that life brings us
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by becoming better.
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Neural plasticity has a long and important history,
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and we're not going to review all of it in detail,
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but today, what we are going to do
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is discuss what is neural plasticity,
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as well as the different forms of neural plasticity.
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We're going to talk about how to access neural plasticity
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depending on how old you are
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and depending on the specific types of changes
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that you're trying to create.
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This is a topic for which there are lots of tools,
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as well as lots of biological principles
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that we can discuss.
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So let's get started.
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Most people are familiar with the word neural plasticity.
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It's sometimes also called neuroplasticity.
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Those are the same thing.
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So if I say neuroplasticity or neuroplasticity,
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I'm referring to the same process,
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which is the brain and nervous system's ability
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to change itself.
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There are a lot of reasons why the nervous system
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would do this.
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It could do it in response to some traumatic event.
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It could, for instance, create a sense of fear
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around a particular place
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or a fear of automobiles or planes.
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It could also occur when something positive happens,
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like the birth of our first child,
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or when our puppy does something amusing,
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or we see an incredible feat of performance in athleticism.
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The word neuroplasticity means so many things
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to so many different people
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that I thought it would be important
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to just first put a little bit of organizational logic
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around what it is and how it happens.
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Because nowadays, if you were to go online
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and Google the word neuroplasticity,
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you would find hundreds of thousands of references,
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scientific references,
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as well as a lot of falsehoods
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about what neuroplasticity is and how to access it.
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As I mentioned before,
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we're going to talk about the science of it,
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and we're going to talk about the tools
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that allow you to engage this incredible feature
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of your nervous system.
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And that's the first point,
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which is that all of us were born with a nervous system
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that isn't just capable of change,
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but was designed to change.
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When we enter the world,
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our nervous system is primed for learning.
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The brain and nervous system of a baby
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is wired very crudely.
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The connections are not precise,
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and we can see evidence of that
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in the fact that babies are kind of flopping there
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like a kind of a little potato bug with limbs.
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They can't really do much in terms of coordinated movement.
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They certainly can't speak,
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and they can't really do anything with precision.
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And that's because we come into this world over-connected.
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We have essentially wires.
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Those wires have names like axons and dendrites.
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Those are the different parts of the neurons
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discussed in episode one.
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But those little parts and those wires and connections
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are everywhere.
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Imagine a bunch of roads
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that are all connected to one another in kind of a mess,
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but there are no highways.
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They're all just small roads.
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That's essentially what the young nervous system is like.
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And then as we mature,
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as we go from day one of life
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to 10 years old, 20 years old, 30 years old,
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what happens is particular connections get reinforced
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and stronger and other connections are lost.
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So that's the first important principle that I want everyone
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to understand, which is that developmental plasticity,
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the neuroplasticity that occurs from the time we're born
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until about age 25 is mainly a process
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of removing connections that don't serve our goals well.
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Now, of course, certain events happen
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during that birth to 25 period
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in which positive events and negative events
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are really stamped down into our nervous system
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in a very dramatic fashion
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by what we call one trial learning.
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We experienced something once
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and then our nervous system is forever changed
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by that experience.
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Unless of course we go through some work
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to undo that experience.
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So I want you to imagine in your mind
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that when you were brought into this world,
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you were essentially a widely connected web of connections
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that was really poor at doing any one thing.
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And that through your experience,
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what you were exposed to by your parents or other caretakers
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through your social interactions, through your thoughts,
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through the languages that you learn,
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through the places you traveled or didn't travel,
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your nervous system became customized
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to your unique experience.
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Now, that's true for certain parts of your brain
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that are involved in what we call representations
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of the outside world.
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A lot of your brain is designed to represent the visual world
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or represent the auditory world
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or represent the gallery of smells
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that are possible in the world.
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However, there are aspects of your nervous system
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that were designed not to be plastic.
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They were wired so that plasticity
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or changes in those circuits is very unlikely.
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Those circuits include things like
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the ones that control your heartbeat,
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the ones that control your breathing,
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the ones that control your digestion.
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And thank goodness that those circuits were set up that way
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because you want those circuits to be extremely reliable.
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You never want to have to think about
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whether or not your heart will beat
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or whether or not you will continue breathing
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or whether or not you'll be able to digest your food.
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So many nervous system features like digestion
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and breathing and heart rate are hard to change.
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Other aspects of our nervous system
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are actually quite easy to change.
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And one of the great gifts of childhood,
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adolescence and young adulthood,
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is that we can learn through almost passive experience.
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We don't have to focus that hard
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in order to learn new things.
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In fact, children go from being able
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to speak no language whatsoever,
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to being able to speak many, many words
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and comprise sentences,
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including words they've never heard before,
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which is remarkable.
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It means that the portions of the brain
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involved in speech and language
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are actually primed to learn and create new combinations.
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What this tells us is that the young brain
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is a plasticity machine.
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But then right about age 25,
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plus or minus a year or two, everything changes.
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After age 25 or so,
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in order to get changes in our nervous system,
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we have to engage in a completely different set of processes
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in order to get those changes to occur
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and for them, more importantly, to stick around.
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And this is something that I think is vastly overlooked
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in the popular culture discussion about neuroplasticity.
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People always talk about fire together, wire together.
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Fire together, wire together is true.
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It is the statement of my colleague at Stanford,
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Carla Schatz, and it's an absolute truth
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about the way that the nervous system wires up
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early in development.
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But fire together, wire together
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doesn't apply in the same way after age 25.
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And so we have these little memes
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and these little quotes that circulate on the internet
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like fire together, wire together,
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or there's a famous quote
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from the greatest neurobiologist of all time, Ramon y Cajal.
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I think it goes something like, you know,
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should somebody wish to change their nervous system,
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they could be the sculptor of their nervous system
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in any way they want, something like that.
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And that sounds great.
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I mean, who wouldn't want to change their nervous system
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any way they want?
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But what's lost in those statements
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is how to actually accomplish that.
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And we're going to cover that today.
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But please understand that early in development,
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your nervous system is connected very broadly
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in ways that make it very hard to do anything well.
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From birth until about age 25,
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those connections get refined mainly through the removal
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of connections that don't serve us
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and the incredible strengthening of connections
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that relate to either powerful experiences
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or that allow us to do things like walk and talk
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and do math, et cetera.
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And then after age 25, if we want to change
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those connections, those super highways of connectivity,
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we have to engage in some very specific processes
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and those processes as we'll soon learn are gated,
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meaning you can't just decide to change your brain.
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You actually have to go through a series of steps
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to change your internal state in ways
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that will allow you to change your brain.
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I just want to acknowledge that Costello is snoring
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particularly loud today.
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Some of you seem very keen at picking up on his snoring.
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Others of you can't hear his snoring.
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It's very low rumbling sound.
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And whether or not you can or you can't
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probably relates to the sensitivity of your hearing.
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We're actually going to talk about perfect pitch today
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and range of auditory detection.
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And so if you can hear Costello's snoring,
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enjoy, if you can't, enjoy.
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I want to talk about how the nervous system changes.
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What are these changes?
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Many of us have been captivated by the stories
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in the popular press about the addition of new neurons.
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This idea, oh, if you go running or you exercise,
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your brain actually makes new neurons.
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Well, I'm going to give you the bad news first,
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which is that after puberty, so after about age 14 or 15,
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the human brain and nervous system adds very few,
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if any, new neurons.
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The idea that new neurons could be added to the brain
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is one that has a rich history in experimental science.
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It's clear that in rodents and in some non-human primates,
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new neurons, a process called neurogenesis,
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can occur in areas of the brain,
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such as the olfactory bulb,
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which is of course involved in smell,
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as well as a region of our hippocampus,
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the center of the brain involved in memory
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called the dentate gyrus of the hippocampus.
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And there is strong evidence that new neurons
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can be added to those structures throughout the lifespan.
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In humans, the evidence is a little bit more controversial.
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It's clear that we can add new neurons
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to our olfactory bulb.
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In fact, if any of you have ever had the unfortunate
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experience of being hit on the head too hard,
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the wires called axons from those olfactory neurons
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that live in your nose can get sheared off
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because they have to pass through a bony plate
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called the cribriform plate.
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And the cribriform plate can shear those axons
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and people can become what's called anosmic.
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They won't be able to smell.
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But over time, those neurons,
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unlike most all central nervous system neurons,
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can grow those connections back
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and even reestablish new neurons
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added to the olfactory bulb.
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They come from elsewhere deep in the brain
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and they migrate through a pathway
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called the rostral migratory stream.
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You can Google these words
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and look up some of the descriptions of this
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if you'd like to learn more.
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So indeed, there's some evidence
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that the neurons responsible for smell
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can be replaced throughout the lifespan,
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certainly in very young individuals
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from birth till about age 15 or so.
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Whether or not there are new neurons
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added to the hippocampus,
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the memory center of the human brain, isn't clear.
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Many years ago, Rusty Gage's lab at the Salk Institute
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did a really important study
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looking at terminally ill cancer patients
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and injecting them with a label, a dye,
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that is incorporated only into new neurons.
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And after these patients died,
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their brains were harvested,
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the brains were looked at,
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and there were new neurons there.
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There was evidence for new neurons.
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Those results, I think, stand over time.
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But what was not really discussed
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in the popular press discussion around those papers
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was that it was very few cells that were being added.
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And a number of papers have come along over the years,
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mainly from labs at UCSF,
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although from others as well,
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showing that if there are new neurons
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added to the adult brain,
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it's an infinitesimally small number of new neurons.
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So that's the depressing part.
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We don't get new neurons.
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After we're born, we pretty much have the neurons
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that we're going to use our entire life.
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And yes, as we get older
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and we start to lose certain functions in our brain,
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we lose neurons.
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But all is not lost, so to speak,
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because there are other ways in which neural circuits
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can create new connections and add new functions,
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including new memory, new abilities,
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and new cognitive functions.
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And those are mainly through the process
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of making certain connections,
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which of course are those things we call synapses
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between neurons, making those connections stronger
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so they're more reliable, they're more likely to engage,
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as well as removing connections.
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And the removal of connections is vital
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to say, moving through a grieving process
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or removing the emotional load of a traumatic experience.
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So even though we can't add new neurons
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throughout our lifespan,
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at least not in very great numbers,
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it's clear that we can change our nervous system,
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that the nervous system is available for change,
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that if we create the right set of circumstances
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in our brain, chemical circumstances,
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and if we create the right environmental circumstances
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around us, our nervous system will shift into a mode
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in which change isn't just possible, but it's probable.
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As I mentioned before,
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the hallmark of the child nervous system is change.
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It wants to change.
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The whole thing, everything from the chemicals
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that are sloshing around in there
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to the fact that there's a lot of space between the neurons,
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a lot of people don't know this,
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but early in development,
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there's a lot of space between the neurons,
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and so the neurons can literally move around
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and sample different connections very easily,
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removing some and keeping others.
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As we get older, the so-called extracellular space
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is actually filled up by things called extracellular matrix
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and glial cells, glia means glue.
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Those cells are involved in a bunch of different processes,
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but they start to fill in all the space,
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kind of like pouring concrete between rocks,
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and when that happens,
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it becomes much harder to change the connections
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that are there.
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One of the ways in which we can all get plasticity
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at any stage throughout the lifespan
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is through deficits and impairments
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in what we call our sensory apparatus,
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our eyes, our ears, our nose, our mouth,
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and there are some very dramatic
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and somewhat tragic examples of people, for instance,
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who have genetic mutations where they are born
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without a nose and without any olfactory structures
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in the brain, so they cannot smell.
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In that case, areas of the brain
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that normally would represent smell
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become overtaken by areas of the brain
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involved in other things like touch and hearing and sight.
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In individuals that are blind from birth,
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the so-called occipital cortex,
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the visual cortex in the back,
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becomes overtaken by hearing.
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The neurons there will start to respond to sounds
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as well as braille touch,
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and actually there's one particularly tragic incident
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where a woman who was blind since birth,
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and because of neuroimaging studies,
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we knew her visual cortex was no longer visual.
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It was responsible for braille reading and for hearing.
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She had a stroke that actually took out
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most of the function of her visual cortex,
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so then she was blind, she couldn't braille read or hear.
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She did recover some aspect of function.
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Now, most people, they don't end up
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in that highly unfortunate situation,
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and what we know is that, for instance,
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blind people who use their visual cortex
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for braille reading and for hearing
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have much better auditory acuity and touch acuity,
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meaning they can sense things with their fingers
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and they can sense things with their hearing
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that typical sighted folks wouldn't be able to.
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In fact, you will find a much greater incidence
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of perfect pitch in people that are blind,
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and that tells us that the brain,
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and in particular this area we call the neocortex,
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which is the outer part,
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is really designed to be a map
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of our own individual experience.
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So these, what I call experiments of impairment or loss
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where somebody is blind from birth or deaf from birth,
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or maybe has a limb development impairment
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where they have a stump instead of an entire limb
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with a functioning hand,
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their brain will represent the body plan that they have,
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not some other body plan.
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But the beauty of the situation is that the real estate
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up in the skull, that neocortex,
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the essence of it is to be a customized map of experience.
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Now, it is true, however,
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that if let's say I were to be blind when I'm 50,
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I'm 45 right now, I've always been sighted.
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If I was blind at 50,
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I'll probably have less opportunity
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to use my formerly visual cortex
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for things like braille reading and hearing,
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because my brain has changed.
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It's just not the same brain I had when I was a baby.
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So there's actually a principle of biology.
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Not many people know this.
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It's actually a principle of neurology,
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which is called the Kennard principle,
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which says if you're going to have a brain injury,
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you wanna have it early in life.
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And of course, better to not have a brain injury at all,
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but if you're going to have it,
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you wanna have it early in life.
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And this is based on a tremendous number of experiments
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examining the amount of recovery
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and the rate of recovery in humans
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that had lesions to their brain
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either early in life or later in life.
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So the Kennard principle says
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better to have injuries early in life.
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Now, that's reassuring for the young folks.
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It's not so reassuring for the older folks.
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But there are aspects of neuroplasticity
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that have nothing to do with impairments.
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I mean, earlier I said,
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we're all walking around with this map,
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this representation of the world around us
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so we can see edges, we can see colors,
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except for folks that are colorblind, of course.
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And we also have a map of emotional experience.
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We have a map of whether or not
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certain people are trustworthy,
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certain people aren't trustworthy.
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A few years ago, I was at a course
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and a woman came up to me and she said,
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I wasn't teaching the course, I was in the course.
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And she said, I just have to tell you
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that every time you speak, it really stresses me out.
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And I said, well, I've heard that before,
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but do you want to be more specific?
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And she said, yeah, your tone of voice reminds me
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of somebody that I had a really terrible experience with.
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I said, well, okay, well, I can't change my voice
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but I really appreciate that you acknowledge that
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and it also will help explain
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why you seem to cringe every time I speak,
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which I hadn't noticed until then.
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But after that, I did notice she had a very immediate
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and kind of visceral response to my speech.
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Perhaps some of you are having that right now.
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But in any event, over the period of this two-week course,
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she would come back every once in a while and say,
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you know what, I think just by telling you
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that your voice was really difficult for me to listen to,
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it's actually becoming more tolerable to me.
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And by the end, we actually became pretty good friends
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and we're still in touch.
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And so what this says is that the recognition of something,
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whether or not that's an emotional thing
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or a desire to learn something else
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is actually the first step in neuroplasticity.
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And that's because our nervous system
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has two broad sets of functions.
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Some of those functions are reflexive.
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Things like our breathing, our heart rate are obvious ones.
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But other aspects are reflexive like our ability to walk.
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If I get up out of this chair and walk out of the door,
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I don't think about each step that I'm taking
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and that's because I learned how to walk during development.
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But when we decide that we're going to shift
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some sort of behavior or some reaction
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or some new piece of information that we want to learn
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is something that we want to bring into our consciousness,
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that awareness is a remarkable thing
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because it cues the brain and the rest of the nervous system
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that when we engage in those reflexive actions
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going forward, that those reflexive actions
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are no longer fated to be reflexive.
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Now, if this sounds a little bit abstract,
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we're going to talk about protocols for how to do this.
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But the first step in neuroplasticity
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is recognizing that you want to change something.
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And you should immediately say,
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well, kids don't go into school and say,
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oh, I want to learn language
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or I want to learn social interactions.
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And that's the beauty of childhood.
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The whole brain has this switch flipped
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that is making change possible.
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But after that, we have to be deliberate.
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We have to know what it is exactly that we want to change.
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Or if we don't know exactly what it is
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that we want to change,
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we at least have to know that we want to change something
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about some specific experience.
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In this case, I believe that she came and told me
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that my voice was really awful for her to listen to,
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not to make me feel bad or for any other reason,
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except that she wanted it to not be the case.
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And she knew I wasn't going to stop talking.
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So she decided to call it
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to her consciousness and mine as well.
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So that's important.
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If you want to learn something
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or you want to change your nervous system in any way,
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whether or not it's because of some impairment
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or because of something that you want to acquire,
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a cognitive skill, a motor skill, an emotional skill,
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the first thing is recognizing what that thing is.
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And that often can be the hardest thing to identify.
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But the brain has these self-recognition mechanisms.
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And those self-recognition mechanisms
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are not vague, spiritual, or mystical,
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or even psychological concepts.
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They are neurochemicals.
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We're going to talk next about the neurochemicals
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that stamp down particular behaviors
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and thoughts and emotional patterns
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and tell the rest of the nervous system,
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this is something to pay attention to
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because this is in the direction
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of the change that I want to make.
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So I'll repeat that.
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There are specific chemicals
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that when we are consciously aware
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of a change we want to make,
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or even just that we want to make some change,
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chemicals are released in the brain
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that allow us the opportunity to make those changes.
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Now there are specific protocols that science tells us
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we have to follow if we want those changes to occur.
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But that self-recognition is not a kind of murky concept.
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What it is is it's our forebrain,
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in particular our prefrontal cortex,
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signaling the rest of our nervous system
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that something that we're about to do here,
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feel, or experience is worth paying attention to.
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So we'll pause there and then I'm going to move forward.
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One of the biggest lies in the universe
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that seems quite prominent right now
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is that every experience you have changes your brain.
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People love to say this.
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They love to say,
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your brain is going to be different after this lecture
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or that your brain is going to be different
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after today's class than it was two days ago.
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And that's absolutely not true.
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The nervous system doesn't just change
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because you experienced something
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unless you're a very young child.
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The nervous system changes
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when certain neurochemicals are released
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and allow whatever neurons are active
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in the period in which those chemicals are swimming around
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to strengthen or weaken the connections of those neurons.
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Now, this is best illustrated
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through a little bit of scientific history.
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The whole basis of neuroplasticity
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is essentially ascribed to two individuals,
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although there were a lot more people
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that were involved in this work.
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Those two individuals go by the name
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David Hubel and Torsten Wiesel.
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David Hubel and Torsten Wiesel started off at Johns Hopkins,
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moved to Harvard Medical School.
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And in the 70s and 80s,
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they did a series of experiments
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recording electrical activity in the brain.
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They were in the visual cortex,
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meaning they put the electrodes in the visual cortex,
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and they were exploring how vision works
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and how the visual brain organizes
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all the features of the visual world
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to give us these incredible things
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we call visual perceptions.
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But Hubel was a physician,
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and he was very interested in what happens
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when, for instance, a child comes into the world
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and they have a cataract.
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The lens of their eye isn't clear, but it's opaque.
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Or when a kid has a lazy eye
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or the eyes have what's called strabismus,
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which is when the eyes either deviate outward or inward.
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These are very common things of childhood,
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especially in particular areas of the world.
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And what David and Torsten did
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is they figured out that there was a critical period
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in which if clear vision did not occur,
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the visual brain would completely rewire itself
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basically to represent
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whatever bit of visual information was coming in.
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So they did these experiments
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that kind of simulate a droopy eye or a deviating eye
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where they would close one eyelid.
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And then what they found is that the visual brain
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would respond entirely to the open eye.
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It was sort of a takeover of the visual brain
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representing the open eye.
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Many experiments in many different sensory systems
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followed up on this.
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There are beautiful experiments, for instance,
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from Greg Reckenzone's lab up at UC Davis
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and Mike Merzenich's labs at UCSF
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showing that, for instance,
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if two fingers were taped together early in development,
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so they weren't moving independently,
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the representation of those two fingers
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would become fused in the brain
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so that the person couldn't actually distinguish
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the movements and the sensations
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of the two fingers separately.
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Pretty remarkable.
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All of this is to say that David and Torsten's work,
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for which they won a Nobel Prize,
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they shared it with Roger Sperry,
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their work showed that the brain is in fact
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a customized map of the outside world.
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We said that already.
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But that what it's doing is it's measuring
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the amount of activity for a given part of our body,
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one eye or the other,
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or our fingers, this finger or that finger,
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and all of those inputs are competing
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for space in the brain.
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Now, this is fundamentally important
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because what it means is that
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if we are to change our nervous system in adulthood,
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we need to think about not just what we're trying to get,
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but what we're trying to give up.
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We can't actually add new connections
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without removing something else.
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And that might seem like kind of a stinger,
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but it actually turns out to be a great advantage.
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One of the key experiments that David and Torsten did
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was an experiment where they closed both eyes,
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where they essentially removed all visual input
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early in development.
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Now, this is slightly different than blindness
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because it was transient,
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it was only for a short period of time.
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But what they found is when they did that,
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there was no change.
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However, if they closed just one eye,
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there was a huge change.
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So when people tell you,
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oh, at the end of today's lecture,
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or at the end of something,
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your brain is going to be completely different,
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that's simply not true.
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If you're older than 25,
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your brain will not change
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unless there's a selective shift in your attention
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or a selective shift in your experience
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that tells the brain it's time to change.
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And those changes occur through the ways I talked about
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before strengthening and weakening of particular connections.
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They have names like long-term potentiation,
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long-term depression,
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which has nothing to do with emotional depression,
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by the way, spike timing dependent plasticity.
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I threw out those names not to confuse you,
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but for those of you that would like
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more in-depth exploration of those,
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please, you can go Google those and look them up.
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There are great Wikipedia pages for them
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and you can go down the paper trail.
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I might even touch on them in some subsequent episodes.
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But the important thing to understand
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is that if we want something to change,
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we really need to bring an immense amount of attention
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to whatever it is that we want to change.
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This is very much linked to the statement I made earlier
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about it all starts with an awareness.
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Now, why is that attention important?
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Well, David and Torrenston won their Nobel Prize
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and they certainly deserved it.
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They probably deserve two
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because they also figured out how vision works.
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And I might be biased
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because they're my scientific great-grandparents,
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but I think everybody in the field of neuroscience agrees
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that Hubel and Wiesel, as they're called,
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H and W for those in the game,
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absolutely deserved a Nobel Prize for their work
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because they really unveiled the mechanisms
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of brain change, of plasticity.
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David passed away a few years ago.
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Torrenston's still alive.
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He's in his late 90s.
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He's still at the Rockefeller University.
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He's sharp as a tack.
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He still jogs several miles a day.
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He's really into art and a number of other things.
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He's also a super nice guy.
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Hubel was a really nice guy as well.
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It's also, he was a great Frisbee player, I discovered,
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because he beat me in a game of ultimate
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when he was like 80,
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which still has me a little bit irked.
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But anyway, Hubel and Wiesel did an amazing thing
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for science that will forever change the way
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that we think about the brain.
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However, they were quite wrong
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about this critical period thing.
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The critical period was this idea
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that if you were to deprive the nervous system of an input,
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say closing one eye early in development
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and the rest of the visual cortex is taken over
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by the representation of the open eye,
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that you could never change that
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unless you intervened early.
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And this actually formed the basis
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for why a kid that has a lazy eye or a cataract,
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why even though there are some issues
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with anesthesia in young children,
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why now we know that you want to get in there early
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and fix the cataract or fix the strabismus,
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that's what ophthalmologists do.
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However, their idea that you had to do it early
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or else there was no opportunity
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to rescue the nervous system deficit later on,
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turned out, wasn't entirely true.
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In the early 90s, a graduate student
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by the name of Greg Reconzone was in the laboratory
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of a guy named Mike Merzenich at UCSF.
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And they set out to test this idea
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that if one wants to change their brain,
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they need to do it early in life
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because the adult brain simply isn't plastic,
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it's not available for these changes.
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And they did a series of absolutely beautiful experiments.
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By now, I think we can say proving
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that the adult brain can change
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provided certain conditions are met.
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Now, the experiments they did are tough.
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They were tough on the experimenter
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and they were tough on the subject.
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I'll just describe one.
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Let's say you were a subject in one of their experiments.
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You would come into the lab and you'd sit down at a table
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and they would record from or image your brain
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and look at the representation of your fingers,
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the digits as we call them.
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And there would be a spinning drum,
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literally like a stone drum in front of you
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or metal drum that had little bumps.
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Some of the bumps were spaced close together,
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some of them were spaced far apart.
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And they would do these experiments
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where they would expect their subjects
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to press a lever whenever, for instance,
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the bumps got closer together or further apart.
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And these were very subtle differences.
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So in order to do this, you really have to pay attention
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to the distance between the bumps.
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And these were not braille readers or anyone skilled
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in doing these kinds of experiments.
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What they found was that as people paid
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more and more attention to the distance between these bumps
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and they would signal when there was a change
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by pressing a lever.
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As they did that, there was very rapid changes,
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plasticity in the representation of the fingers.
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And it could go in either direction.
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You could get people very good at detecting the distance
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between bumps that the distance was getting smaller
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or the distance was getting greater.
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So people could get very good at these tasks
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that they're kind of hard to imagine
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how they would translate to the real world
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for a non braille reader.
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But what it told us is that these maps of touch
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were very much available for plasticity.
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And these were fully adult subjects.
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They're not taking any specific drugs.
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They don't have any impairments that we're aware of.
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And what it showed, what it proved
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is that the adult brain is very plastic.
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And they did some beautiful control experiments
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that are important for everyone to understand,
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which is that sometimes they would bring people in
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and they would have them touch these bumps
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on this spinning drum.
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But they would have the person pay attention
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to an auditory cue.
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Every time a tone would go off
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or there was a shift in the pitch of that tone,
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they would have to signal that.
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So the subject thought they were doing something
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related to touch and hearing.
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And all that showed was that it wasn't just the mere action
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of touching these bumps.
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They had to pay attention to the bumps themselves.
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If they were placing their attention
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on the auditory cue, on the tone,
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well, then there was plasticity
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in the auditory portion of the brain,
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but not on the touch portion of the brain.
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And this really spits in the face of this thing
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that you hear so often, which is every experience
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that you have is going to change the way your brain works.
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Absolutely not.
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The experiences that you pay super careful attention to
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are what open up plasticity.
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And it opens up plasticity to that specific experience.
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So the question then is why?
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And Merzenich and his graduate students and postdocs
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went on to address this question of why.
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And it turns out the answer
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is a very straightforward neurochemical answer.
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And inside of that answer is the opportunity
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for any of us to change our brain at any point
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throughout our lifespan,
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essentially for anything that we want to learn.
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That could be subtracting an emotion
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from an experience we've had.
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It could be building a greater range of emotion.
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It could be learning new information
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like learning a new language.
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It could be learning new motor skill like dance or sport,
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or it could be some combination of cognitive motor.
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So for instance, an air traffic controller
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has to do a lot with their mind
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in addition to a lot with their hands.
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So it's not just cognitive,
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it's not just motor, but combined.
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So we're going to talk about what that chemical is,
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but to just give you an important hint,
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that chemical is the same chemical of stress.
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This is not a discussion about stress per se.
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In a future podcast episode,
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we'll talk all about stress and tools to deal with stress.
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It's something my lab works on quite extensively.
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And it's a topic that I enjoy discussing.
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But this is a topic about brain change.
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And what I just told you is that
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in order to change the brain,
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you have to pay careful attention.
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And the immediate question should be, well, why?
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Well, the answer is that when we pay careful attention,
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there are two neurochemicals,
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neuromodulators as they're called,
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that are released from multiple sites in our brain
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that highlight the neural circuits
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that stand a chance of changing.
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Now, it's not necessarily the case
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that they're going to change,
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but it's the first gate that has to open
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in order for change to occur.
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And the first neurochemical is epinephrine, also adrenaline.
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We call it adrenaline when it's released
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from the adrenal glands above our kidneys,
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that's in the body.
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We call it epinephrine in the brain,
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but they are chemically identical substances.
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Epinephrine is released from a region in the brainstem
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called locus coeruleus.
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Fancy name, you don't need to know it unless you want to.
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Locus coeruleus sends out these little wires we call axons
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such that it hoses the entire brain, essentially,
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in this neurochemical epinephrine.
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Now, it's not always hosing the brain with epinephrine.
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It's only when we are in high states of alertness
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that this epinephrine is released.
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But the way this circuit is designed,
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it's very nonspecific.
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It's essentially waking up the entire brain.
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That's because the way that epinephrine works
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by binding particular receptors
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is to increase the likelihood that neurons will be active.
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So no alertness, no neuroplasticity.
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However, alertness alone is not sufficient.
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As we would say, it's necessary,
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but not sufficient for neuroplasticity.
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We know this is true also from the work of Hubel and Wiesel,
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where they looked at brain plasticity
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in response to certain experiences
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in subjects that were either awake or asleep.
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And I hate to break it to you,
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but you cannot just simply listen to things in your sleep
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and learn those materials.
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Later, I'll talk about how you can do certain things
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in your sleep that you're unaware of
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that can enhance learning of things
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that you were aware of while you were awake,
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but that is not the same as just listening to some music
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or listening to a tape while you sleep
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and expecting it to sink in, so to speak.
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Epinephrine is released when we pay attention
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and when we are alert.
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But the most important thing for getting plasticity
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is that there'll be epinephrine,
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which equates to alertness,
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plus the release of this neuromodulator acetylcholine.
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Now, acetylcholine is released from two sites in the brain.
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One is also in the brainstem,
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and it's named different things in different animals,
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but in humans, the most rich site of acetylcholine neurons
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or neurons that make acetylcholine
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is the parabigeminal nucleus or the parabrachial region.
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There are a number of different names
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of these aggregates of neurons.
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You don't need to know the names.
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All you need to know is that
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you have an area in your brainstem,
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and that area sends wires, these axons,
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up into the area of the brain that filters sensory input.
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So we have this area of the brain called the thalamus,
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and it is getting bombarded
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with all sorts of sensory input all the time.
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Costello's snoring off to my right,
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the lights that are in the room,
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the presence of my computer to my left.
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All of that is coming in,
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but when I pay attention to something,
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like if I really hone in on Costello's snoring,
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I create a cone of attention,
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and what that cone of attention reflects
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is that acetylcholine is now amplifying the signal
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of sounds that Costello is making with his snoring
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and essentially making that signal greater
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than all the signal around it.
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What we call signal-to-noise goes up.
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So those of you with an engineering background
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will be familiar with signal-to-noise.
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Those of you who do not have an engineering background,
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don't worry about it.
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All it means is that one particular shout in the crowd
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comes through, Costello's snoring becomes more salient,
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more apparent relative to everything else going on.
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Acetylcholine acts as a spotlight,
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but epinephrine for alertness,
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acetylcholine spotlighting these inputs,
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those two things alone are not enough to get plasticity.
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There needs to be this third component,
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and the third component is acetylcholine released
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from an area of the forebrain called nucleus basalis.
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If you really want to get technical,
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it's called nucleus basalis of minort.
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For any of you that are budding physicians
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or going to medical school, you should know that.
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If you have acetylcholine released from the brainstem,
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acetylcholine released from nucleus basalis,
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and epinephrine, you can change your brain.
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And I can say that with confidence
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because Merzenich and Recanzone, as well as other members
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of the Merzenich lab, Michael Kilgard and others,
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did these incredible experiments
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where they stimulated the release of acetylcholine
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from nucleus basalis, either with an electrode
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or with some other methods that we'll talk about.
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And what they found was when you stimulate
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these three brain regions, locus coeruleus,
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the brainstem source of acetylcholine,
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and then the basal forebrain source of acetylcholine,
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when you have those three things,
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whatever you happen to be listening to,
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doing or paying attention to, immediately in one trial
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takes over the representation
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of a particular area of the brain,
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you essentially get rapid, massive learning in one shot.
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And this has been shown again and again and again
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in a variety of papers,
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also by a guy named Norm Weinberger from UC Irvine.
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And it is now considered a fundamental principle
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of how the nervous system works.
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So while Hubel and Wiesel talked about critical periods
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in developmental plasticity,
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it's very clear from the work of Merzenich and Weinberg
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and others that if you get these three things,
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if you can access these three things
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of epinephrine acetylcholine from these two sources,
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not only will the nervous system change, it has to change.
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It absolutely will change.
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And that is the most important thing for people to understand
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if they want to change their brain.
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You cannot just passively experience things.
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And repetition can be important,
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but the way to use repetition to change your brain
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is fundamentally different.
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So now let's talk about how we would translate
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all the scientific information and history
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into some protocols that you can actually apply,
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because I think that's what many of you are interested in.
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And I'm willing to bet that most of you are not interested
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in lowering electrodes into your nucleus basalis,
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and frankly, neither am I.
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In episode one of the Huberman Lab Podcast,
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I described the various ways that people can monitor
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and change their nervous system.
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Those ways include brain-machine interface,
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pharmacology, behavioral practices,
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and those behavioral practices, of course,
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can include some dos, do this, and some don'ts,
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don't do that, et cetera.
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In thinking about neuroplasticity,
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I want to have a very frank conversation
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about what one can do,
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but also acknowledge this untapped capacity
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that I'm just not hearing about out there,
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which is one can also combine behavioral practices
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with pharmacology.
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One can combine behavioral practices
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with brain-machine interface.
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And you don't have to do that.
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In fact, I'm not recommending you do anything in particular.
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As always, I'll say it again,
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I'm not a physician, so I don't prescribe anything.
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I'm a professor, so I profess a lot of things.
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What you do with your health and your medical care
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is up to you.
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You're responsible for your health and wellbeing.
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So I'm not going to tell you what to do or what to take.
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I'm going to describe what the literature tells us
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and suggests about ways to access plasticity.
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We know we need epinephrine.
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That means alertness.
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Most people accomplish this through a cup of coffee
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and a good night's sleep.
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So I will say you should master your sleep schedule,
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and you should figure out how much sleep you need
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in order to achieve alertness when you sit down to learn.
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00:45:40.100
All the tools and more science
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than probably you ever wanted to hear about sleep
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and how to get better at sleeping and timing your sleep,
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et cetera, and naps, and all of that
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is in episodes two, three, four, and five
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of the Huberman Lab Podcast.
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So I encourage you to refer to those
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if your sleep is not where you would like it to be.
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Your ability to engage in deliberate focused alertness
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is in direct proportion
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to how well you are sleeping on a regular basis.
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I think that's kind of an obvious one.
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So get your sleep handled.
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But once that's in place, the question then is
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how do I access this alertness?
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Well, there are a number of ways.
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Some people use some pretty elaborate
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psychological gymnastics.
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They will tell people that they're going to do something
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and create some accountability.
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That could be really good.
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Or they'll post a picture of themselves online,
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and they'll commit to learning a certain amount,
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losing, excuse me, a certain amount of weight
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or something like this.
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So they can use either shame-based practices
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to potentially embarrass themselves
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if they don't follow through.
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They'll write checks to organizations that they hate
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and insist that they'll cash them
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if they don't actually follow through.
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Or they'll do it out of love.
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They'll decide that they're going to run a marathon
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or learn a language or something
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because of somebody they love
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or they want to devote it to somebody.
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The truth is that from the standpoint of epinephrine
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and getting alert and activated, it doesn't really matter.
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Epinephrine is a chemical,
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and your brain does not distinguish
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between doing things out of love or hate, anger or fear.
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It really doesn't.
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All of those promote autonomic arousal
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and the release of epinephrine.
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So I think for most people,
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if you're feeling not motivated to make these changes,
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the key thing is to identify not just one,
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but probably a kit of reasons,
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several reasons as to why you would want
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to make this particular change.
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And being drawn toward a particular goal
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that you're excited about can be one.
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Also being motivated to not be completely afraid,
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ashamed or humiliated for not following through
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on a goal is another.
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Just want to briefly mention one little aside there
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because I've got a friend who's a physician.
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He's a cardiologist who has a really interesting theory.
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This is just theory,
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but I think it will resonate with a lot of people,
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which is that you've all heard of this molecule dopamine
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that gives us this sense of reward
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when we accomplish something.
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Well, we also want to be able to access dopamine
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while we're working towards things.
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Enjoy the process, as they say,
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because it has all sorts of positive effects.
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It gives us energy, et cetera.
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With my friend, what he says is,
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there's many, many instances
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where someone will come to him and say,
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you know what, I'm going to write a book.
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And he says, oh, that's great.
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I'm sure the book's going to be terrific
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and you really should write a book.
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And then they never go do it.
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And his theory is if you get so much dopamine
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from the reward of people saying,
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oh yeah, you're absolutely going to be able to do that,
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you might not actually go after
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the reward of the accomplishment itself.
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So beware these positive reinforcements also.
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Not saying people should flagellate themselves
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to the point of victory in whatever they're pursuing,
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but motivation is a tricky one.
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So I suggest that everyone ask themselves,
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what is it that I want to accomplish?
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And what is it that's driving me to accomplish this?
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And come up with two or three things,
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fear-based perhaps, love-based perhaps,
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or perhaps several of those,
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in order to ensure alertness,
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energy and attention for the task.
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And that brings us to the attention part.
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Now it's one thing to have an electrode
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embedded into your brain
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and increase the amount of acetylcholine.
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It's another to exist in the real world
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outside the laboratory and have trouble focusing,
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having trouble bringing your attention
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to a particular location and space for a particular event.
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00:49:17.560
And there's a lot of discussion nowadays
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about smartphones and devices
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00:49:22.160
creating a sort of attention deficit,
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almost at a clinical level for many people,
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including adults.
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I think that's largely true.
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And what it means however,
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is that we all are responsible for learning
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how to create depth of focus.
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00:49:36.860
There are some important neuroscience principles
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to get depth of focus.
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00:49:41.760
I want to briefly talk about the pharmacology first,
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because I always get asked about this.
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People say, what can I take
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to increase my levels of acetylcholine?
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Well, there are things you can take.
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Nicotine is called nicotine
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because acetylcholine binds to the nicotinic receptor.
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There are two kinds of acetylcholine receptors,
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muscarinic and nicotinic,
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but the nicotinic ones are involved
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in attention and alertness.
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I have colleagues,
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these are not my kind of like bro science buddies.
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I have those friends too.
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00:50:10.140
This is a Nobel prize winning colleague
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who choose Nicorette while he works.
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00:50:15.380
He used to be a smoker.
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He quit smoking because of fear of lung cancer.
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It's like a smart choice,
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00:50:21.220
but he missed the level of focus
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00:50:23.860
that he could bring to his work.
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00:50:26.100
This is somebody who's had a very long career.
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And if you ever meet with him,
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unfortunately I can't name him.
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If you ever meet with him,
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what you realize is he choose
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about five pieces of Nicorette an hour,
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00:50:35.500
which I am not suggesting people do.
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00:50:37.780
But when I asked him, why are you doing this?
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He said, well, increases my alertness and focus.
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And also his theory,
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and I want to really underscore that it's theory
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not scientifically supported yet
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is that it offsets Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.
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It is true that nucleus basalis is the primary site
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of degeneration in the brain
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in people that have dementia and Parkinson's.
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And it's what leads to a lot of their inability
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to focus their attention,
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00:51:03.340
not just deficits in plasticity.
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So he might be onto something.
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00:51:07.420
Now I've tried chewing Nicorette.
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It makes me super jittery.
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00:51:10.240
I don't like it because I can't focus very well.
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00:51:12.580
It kind of takes me too far up
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the level of autonomic arousal.
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00:51:15.740
I've got friends that dip Nicorette all day,
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some of whom are scientists.
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00:51:20.300
Writers and artists and musicians
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00:51:22.220
are familiar with the effects of nicotine
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from the era where a lot of people smoked
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and fortunately fewer people smoke now.
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So if you're interested in the pharmacology,
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there are supplements and things
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that can increase cholinergic transmission in the brain.
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I'm not suggesting you do this,
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but if you're gonna go down that route,
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you want to be very careful
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how much you rely on those all the time
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because the essence of plasticity
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is to create a window of attention and focus
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that's distinct from the rest of your day.
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That's what's going to create a mark in your brain
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and the potential for plasticity.
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Things that increase acetylcholine
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besides nicotine or Nicorette,
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so the nicotine could come from a variety of sources,
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or things like alpha-GPC or choline.
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There are a number of these things.
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I would encourage you to go to examine.com, the website,
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00:52:11.700
and just put in acetylcholine
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and it will give you a list of supplements
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as well as some of the dangers of these supplements
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that are associated with cholinergic transmission.
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But I would be remiss and I would be lying
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if I didn't say that there are a lot of people out there
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who are using cholinergic drugs
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in order to increase their level of focus.
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And since we're coming up on the Olympics,
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I don't want to get anyone in trouble,
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but I'm well aware that the fact that the sprinters
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are really into cholinergic drugs
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because not only is acetylcholine important for the focus
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that allows them to hear the gun
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and be first out the blocks on the sprints,
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that's a lot of where the race is won,
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hearing that gun and being quickest on reaction time,
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so they take cholinergic agents for that,
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as well as acetylcholine is the molecule
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that controls nerve to muscle contraction.
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So your speed of reflexes is actually controlled
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by this nicotinic transmission as well.
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So lots to think about in terms of acetylcholine in sport
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and mental acuity, not just plasticity.
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Now, for most of you,
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you probably don't want to chew Nicorette,
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definitely don't want to smoke cigarettes
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00:53:15.440
or take supplements for increasing acetylcholine.
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So what are some ways that you can increase acetylcholine?
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And there, it's going to sound like a bit
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of a circular argument, but you want to increase focus.
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How do you increase focus?
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You know, people are so familiar with sitting down,
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reading a couple pages of a book
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00:53:32.100
and realizing that none of it sunk in
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or talking to someone and seeing their mouth move,
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maybe even nodding your head subconsciously
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and you come, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, and none of it sinks in.
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This can be very damaging for school, work performance
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and relationships, as many of you know.
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Costello, incidentally, never seems to pay attention
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to anything I say while looking directly at me,
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which contradicts what I'm about to say,
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which is that the best way to get better at focusing
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is to use the mechanisms of focus that you were born with.
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And the key principle here is that mental focus
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follows visual focus.
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We are all familiar with the fact that our visual system
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can be unfocused, blurry, or jumping around,
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or we can be very laser focused on one location in space.
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What's interesting and vitally important to understanding
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how to access neuroplasticity
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is that you can use your visual focus
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and you can increase your visual focus
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00:54:31.820
as a way of increasing your mental focus abilities
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more broadly.
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So I'm gonna explain how to do that.
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Plasticity starts with alertness.
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And as I mentioned before,
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that alertness can come from a sense of love,
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a sense of joy, a sense of fear, doesn't matter.
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00:54:50.300
There are pharmacologic ways to access alertness too.
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The most common one is of course caffeine,
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which if you watch the sleep episodes,
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you know reduces this molecule
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that makes us sleepy called adenosine.
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I drink plenty of caffeine.
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I'm a heavy user of caffeine.
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I don't think abuser of caffeine.
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I think in reasonable amounts,
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provided we can still fall asleep at night.
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Caffeine can be a relatively safe way
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to increase epinephrine.
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Now, many people are now also using Adderall.
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Adderall chemically looks a lot like amphetamine.
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And basically it is amphetamine.
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It will increase epinephrine release from locus coeruleus.
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It will wake up the brain.
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And that's why a lot of people rely on it.
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It does have a heavy basis for use
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in certain clinical syndromes prescribed
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such as attention deficit.
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However, it also has a high probability of abuse,
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especially in those who are not prescribed it.
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Adderall will not increase focus.
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It increases alertness.
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It does not touch the acetylcholine system.
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And if those of you that are taking Adderall say,
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well, it really increases my focus overall,
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that's probably because your autonomic nervous system
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is just veering towards what we call parasympathetic.
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You're really just very sleepy.
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And so it's bringing your levels of alertness up.
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As I mentioned, Adderall is very problematic
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for a number of people.
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It can be habit forming.
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Learning on Adderall does not always translate
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to high performance off or on Adderall at later times.
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And the Adderall discussion is a broader one
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that perhaps we should have with a psychiatrist
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in the room at some point,
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because it is a very widely abused drug
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at this point in time.
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The acetylcholine system and the focus that it brings
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is available, as I mentioned, through pharmacology,
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but also through these behavioral practices.
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And the behavioral practices that are anchored
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in visual focus are going to be the ones
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that are going to allow you to develop great depth
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and duration of focus.
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So let's think about visual focus for a second.
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When we focus on something visually, we have two options.
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We can either look at a very small region of space
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with a lot of detail and a lot of precision,
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or we can dilate our gaze and we can see big pieces
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of visual space with very little detail.
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It's a trade-off.
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We can't look at everything at high resolution.
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This is why we have these,
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the pupil more or less relates to the fovea of the eye,
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which is the area in which we have the most receptors,
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the highest density of receptors that perceive light.
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And so our acuity is much better in the center
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of our visual field than in our periphery.
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It's a simple experiment you can do right now.
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If you're listening to this, you can still do it.
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You can hold your hands out in front of you,
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provided that you're sighted.
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You should be able to see how many fingers
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you have in front of you.
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For me, it's five.
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Still got all five fingers, amazingly enough.
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If I move my hand off to the side,
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I can't see them with precision,
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but as I move them back into the center of my visual field,
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I can see them with precision.
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And that's because the density,
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the number of pixels in the center of my visual field
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is much higher than it is in the periphery.
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When we focus our eyes, we do a couple things.
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First of all, we tend to do that
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in the center of our visual field,
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and our two eyes tend to align
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in what's called a vergence eye movement
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towards a common point.
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The other thing that happens is the lens of our eye moves
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so that our brain now no longer sees the entire visual world
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but is seeing a small cone of visual imagery.
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That was the dog bumping into the wall, forgive me.
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That small cone of visual imagery
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or soda straw view of the world has much higher acuity,
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higher resolution than if I were to look at everything.
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Now you say, of course, this makes perfect sense,
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but that's about visual attention, not mental attention.
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Well, it turns out that focus in the brain
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is anchored to our visual system.
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I'll talk about blind people in a moment,
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but assuming that somebody is sighted,
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the key is to learn how to focus better visually
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if you want to bring about higher levels
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of cognitive or mental focus,
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even if you're engaged in a physical task.
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Now, there's a remarkable phenomenon in animals
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where animals that have their eyes on the side of their head
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are scanning the entire visual environment all the time.
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They're not focused on anything.
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Think you're grazing animals, your cows, your sheep,
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your birds, et cetera.
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But think about a bird picking up seeds
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on the beach or on concrete.
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That bird's head is up here.
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It's up about a foot off the ground,
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or if it's a small bird, about six inches off the ground,
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and its eyes are on the side of its head,
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and yet it has this tiny beak that can quickly pick up
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these little seeds off the ground with immense precision.
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Now, if you try to do that by staring off
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to the sides of the room and picking up items
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in front of you with high precision at that tiny scale,
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little tiny objects, you will miss almost every time.
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They do it perfectly, and they don't smash their beak
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into the ground and damage it.
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They do it with beautiful movement acuity also.
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So how do they do it?
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How do they create this focus or this awareness
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of what's in front of them?
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It turns out as they lower their head,
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their eyes very briefly move inward
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in what's called a virgin's eye movement.
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Now, their eyes can't actually translocate in their head.
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They're fixed in the skull, just like yours and mine are.
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But when we move our eyes slightly inward,
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maybe you can tell that I'm doing it like so,
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basically shortening or making the interpupillary distance,
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as it's called, smaller, two things happen.
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Not only do we develop a smaller visual window
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into the world, but we activate a set of neurons
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in our brainstem that trigger the release
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of both norepinephrine, epinephrine, and acetylcholine.
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Norepinephrine is kind of similar to epinephrine.
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So in other words, when our eyes are relaxed in our head,
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when we're just kind of looking
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at our entire visual environment,
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moving our head around, moving through space,
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we're in optic flow, things moving past us,
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or we're sitting still, we're looking broadly at our space,
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we're relaxed.
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When our eyes move slightly inward
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toward a particular visual target,
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our visual world shrinks,
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our level of visual focus goes up,
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and we know that this relates to the release
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of acetylcholine and epinephrine
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at the relevant sites in the brain for plasticity.
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Now, what this means is that if you have a hard time
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focusing your mind for sake of reading or for listening,
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you need to practice, and you can practice,
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focusing your visual system.
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Now, this works best if you practice
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focusing your visual system at the precise distance
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from the work that you intend to do for sake of plasticity.
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So how would this look in the real world?
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Let's say I am trying to concentrate
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on something related to, I don't know, science.
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I'm reading a science paper,
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and I'm having a hard time, it's not absorbing.
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I might think that I'm only looking at the paper
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that I'm reading, I'm only looking at my screen,
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but actually my eyes are probably darting around a bit.
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Experiments have been done on this.
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Or I'm gathering information from too many sources
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in the visual environment.
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Now, presumably, because it's me,
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I've already had my coffee, I'm hydrated,
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I'm well rested, I slept well,
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and I still experience these challenges in focusing.
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Spending just 60 to 120 seconds
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focusing my visual attention on a small window of my screen,
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meaning just on my screen with nothing on it,
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but bringing my eyes to that particular location
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increases not just my visual acuity for that location,
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but it brings about an increase in activity
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in a bunch of other brain areas that are associated
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with gathering information from this location.
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So put simply, if you want to improve your ability to focus,
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practice visual focus.
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Now, if you wear contacts or you wear corrective lenses,
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that's fine, you of course would want to use those.
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You don't want to take those off and use a blurry image.
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The finer the visual image,
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and the more that you can hold your gaze
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to that visual image,
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the higher your levels of attention will be.
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Many times on Instagram and here I've been teased
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for not blinking very often.
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That's actually a practiced thing.
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We blink more as we get tired,
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which as you hear it, you'll probably just say duh.
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As we get tired, the neurons in the brainstem
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that are responsible for alertness
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and that hold the eyelids open start to falter
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and our eyelids start to close.
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This is why it's hard,
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the words I could barely keep my eyes open,
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which may be how you feel right now.
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But assuming that you're paying attention and you're alert,
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when you're very alert, your eyes are wide.
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Your eyes are open.
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And as you get tired, your eyelids start to close.
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Blinks actually reset our perception of time and space.
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This was shown in a beautiful paper in Current Biology.
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I'll be sure to post the reference in the notes.
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And blinking of course is necessary to lubricate the eyes.
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People blink because their eyes might get dry.
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But if you can keep focus by blinking less
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and by focusing your eyes to a particular location,
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that's probably pretty creepy for you to experience
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as I'm doing this.
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But the more that you can do this,
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the more that you can maintain a kind of a cone
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or a tunnel of mental focus.
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And so I'm sort of revealing my practice,
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which is that I've worked very hard through blinking contests
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with my 14 year old niece who still beats me every time
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and it really bothers me,
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but also just through my own self-practice
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of learning to blink less and focus my visual attention
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on a smaller region of space.
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Now for me, that's important
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because I'm mainly learning things on a computer screen.
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If you're going to be doing sport,
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it's quite a bit different
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and we can discuss how you might translate that to sport.
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In fact, in the next episode,
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I'm gonna talk all about how plasticity
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and the focus mechanisms relate
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to learning of movement practices and coordinated movements.
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It's an entire discussion unto itself,
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but the same principle holds.
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So we need alertness.
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You can get that through mental tricks of motivation,
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fear or love, whatever it is.
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Pharmacology, please do it healthfully.
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Caffeine, if that's in your practice.
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Certainly want to be well hydrated.
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That increases, actually will increase alertness.
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Having a very full bladder will increase alertness,
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although you don't want your alertness to be so high,
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do that, all you can think about it
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is the fact that you have to go urinate
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because that's very distracting.
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You don't want your alertness to go through the roof.
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You need focus and visual focus is the primary way
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in which we start to deploy these neurochemicals.
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Now you may ask, well, what about the experiment
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where people were feeling this rotating drum
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or listening to the auditory cue,
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that doesn't involve vision at all.
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Ah, if you look at people who are learning things
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with their auditory system,
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they will often close their eyes
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and that's not a coincidence.
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If somebody is listening very hard,
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please don't ask them to look you directly in the eye
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while also asking that they listen to you.
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That's actually one of the worst ways
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to get somebody to listen to you.
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If you say, now listen to me and look me in the eye,
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the visual system will take over
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and they'll see your mouth move,
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but they're going to hear their thoughts
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more they're going to hear what you're saying.
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Closing the eyes is one of the best ways
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to create a cone of auditory attention.
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And this is what low vision or no vision folks do.
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They have tremendous capacity to focus their attention
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in particular locations.
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Incidentally, does anyone know the two animals
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that have the best hearing in the world?
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The absolute best hearing,
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many orders of magnitude better than humans.
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Turns out it's the elephant that might not surprise you.
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They have huge ears and the moth,
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which probably will surprise you.
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I didn't even know that moths could hear,
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but now it explains why they're so hard to catch.
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If you are not sighted,
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you learn how to do this with your hearing.
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If you're somebody who braille reads,
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you learn how to do this with your fingers.
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If you look at great piano players like Glenn Gould,
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they oftentimes will turn their head to the side.
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You think about some of the great musicians
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that like Stevie Wonder that were blind, right?
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He would look away
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because he had no reason to look at the keys,
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but oftentimes they'll orient an ear
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or one side of their head to the keys on the piano.
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As I mentioned before,
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people who are non-sighted have better pitch.
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So we have these cones of attention that we can devote.
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And for most people,
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vision is the primary way to train up this focus ability
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and these cones of attention.
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So you absolutely have to focus
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on the thing that you're trying to learn.
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And you will feel some agitation
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because of the epinephrine in your system.
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If you're feeling agitation and it's challenging to focus
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and you're feeling like you're not doing it right,
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chances are you're doing it right.
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And you can practice this ability to stare
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for long periods of time without blinking.
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I know it's a little eerie for people to watch,
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but if your goal is to learn how to control
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that visual window for sake of controlling your focus,
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it can be an immensely powerful portal
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into these mechanisms of plasticity
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because we know it engages things like nucleus basalis
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and these other brainstem mechanisms.
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I get a lot of questions about
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attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, ADHD,
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and attention deficit disorder.
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Some people actually have clinically diagnosed ADD and ADHD.
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And if you do, you should certainly work
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with a good psychiatrist to try and figure out
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the right pharmacology and or behavioral practices for you.
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Many people, however, have given themselves
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a low grade ADHD or ADD
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because of the way that they move through their world.
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They are looking at their phone a lot of the time.
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It's actually very easy to anchor your attention
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to your phone for the following reason.
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First of all, it's very restricted in size.
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So it's very easy to limit your visual attention
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to something about this big.
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It's one of the design features of the phone.
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The other is that just as you've probably heard,
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a picture is worth a thousand words.
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Well, a movie is worth 10,000 pictures.
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Anytime we're looking at things that have motion,
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visual motion, our attentional system
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will naturally gravitate towards those movies.
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It's actually much harder to read words on a page
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than it used to be for many people
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because we're used to seeing things spelled out for us
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in YouTube videos or videos where things move
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and are very dramatic.
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It is true that the more that we look
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at those motion stimuli,
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the more that we're seeing movies of things
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and things that are very dramatic and very intense,
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the worse we're getting at attending to things
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like text on a page or to listening to something
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like a podcast and extracting the information.
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So much so that I think many people have asked me,
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why aren't you providing intense visuals
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for us to look at?
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Well, frankly, it's because a lot of people
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are consuming this content through pure auditory,
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through just by listening,
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and I want them to be able to digest all the material.
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But in addition to that,
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if you think about the areas of life
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that dictate whether or not we become successful,
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independent, healthy individuals,
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most of those involve the kind of boring practices
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of digesting information on a page.
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Boring because it's not as exciting in the moment perhaps
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as watching a movie or something being spoonfed to us.
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But the more attention that we can put to something,
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even if it's fleeting and we feel like
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we're only getting little bits and pieces,
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shards of the information as opposed to the entire thing,
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that has a much more powerful effect
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in engaging this cholinergic system for plasticity
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than does, for instance, watching a movie.
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And that's because when we watch a movie,
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the entire thing can be great, it can be awesome,
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it can be this overriding experience.
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But I think for all those experiences,
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if you're somebody who's interested in building your brain
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and expanding your brain and getting better
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at various things, feeling better, doing better, et cetera,
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one has to ask how much of my neurochemical resources
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am I devoting to the passive experience
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of letting something just kind of overwhelm me and excite me
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versus something that I'm really trying
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to learn and take away.
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And now there's another, I enjoy movie content
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and TV content all the time.
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I scroll Instagram often, but we are limited
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in the extent to which we can grab a hold
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of these acetylcholine release mechanisms or epinephrine.
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And I think that we need to be careful
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that we don't devote all our acetylcholine and epinephrine,
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all our dopamine for that matter,
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to these passive experiences of things
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that are not going to enrich us and better us.
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So that's a little bit of an editorial on my part,
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but the phone is rich with movies,
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it's rich with information.
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The real question is, is the information rich for us
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in ways that grow us and cultivate smarter,
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more emotionally evolved people,
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or is it creating, what's it doing
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for our physical wellbeing for that matter?
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So I don't want to tell people what to do or not to do,
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but think carefully about how often you're focusing
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on something and how good you are or poor you are
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at focusing on something that's challenging.
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So once you get this epinephrine, this alertness,
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you get the acetylcholine released
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and you can focus your attention,
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then the question is for how long?
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And in an earlier podcast,
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I talked about these ultradian cycles
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that last about 90 minutes.
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The typical learning bout should be about 90 minutes.
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I think that learning bout will no doubt include
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five to 10 minutes of warmup period.
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I think everyone should give themselves permission
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to not be fully focused in the early part of that bout,
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but that in the middle of that bout,
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for the middle hour or so,
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you should be able to maintain focus
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for about an hour or so.
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So that for me means eliminating distractions.
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That means turning off the wifi.
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I put my phone in the other room.
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If I find myself reflexively getting up to get the phone,
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I will take the phone and lock it in the car outside.
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If I find myself going to get it anyway,
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I am guilty of giving away the phone for a period of time
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or even things more dramatic.
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I've thrown it up on my roof before,
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so I can't get to it till the end of the day.
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That thing is pretty compelling.
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And we come up with all sorts of reasons
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why we need it to be in contact with it.
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But I encourage you to try experiencing what it is
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to be completely immersed in an activity
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where you feel the agitation
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that your attention is drifting,
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but you continually bring it back.
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And that's an important point,
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which is that attention drifts,
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but we have to re-anchor it.
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We have to keep grabbing it back.
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And the way to do that, if you're sighted,
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is with your eyes.
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That as your attention drifts and you look away,
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you want to try and literally maintain visual focus
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on the thing that you're trying to learn.
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Feel free to blink, of course,
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but you can greatly increase your powers of focus
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and the rates of learning,
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which is anchored in all the work of Merzinek,
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Hubel and Wiesel, and others.
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Now that's the trigger for plasticity.
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But the real secret is that neuroplasticity
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doesn't occur during wakefulness.
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It occurs during sleep.
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We now know that if you focus very hard on something
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for about 90 minutes or so,
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maybe you even do several bouts of that per day,
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if you can do that, some people can,
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some people can only do one focus bout of learning.
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That night and the following nights while you sleep,
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the neural circuits that were highlighted, if you will,
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with acetylcholine transmission will strengthen
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and other ones will be lost,
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which is wonderful because that's the essence of plasticity.
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And what it means is that when you eventually wake up
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a couple of days or a week later,
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you will have acquired the knowledge forever,
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unless you go through some process to actively unlearn it.
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And we will talk about unlearning in a later episode.
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So mastering sleep is key
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in order to reinforce the learning that occurs.
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But let's say you get a really poor night of sleep
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after a bout of learning.
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Chances are if you sleep the next night
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or the following night, that learning will occur.
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There's a stamp in the brain
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where this acetylcholine was released.
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It actually marks those synapses neurochemically
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and metabolically so that those synapses
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are more biased to change.
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Now, if you don't ever get that deep sleep,
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then you probably won't get those changes.
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But there's also a way in which you can bypass the need
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for deep sleep, at least partially,
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by engaging in what I call non-sleep deep rest,
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these NSDR protocols.
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But I just want to discuss the science of this.
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There was a paper that was published
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in Cell Reports last year
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that shows that if people did,
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it was a spatial memory task,
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actually a quite difficult one
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where they had to remember the sequence of lights
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lighting up.
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And if they're just two or three lights
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in a particular sequence, it's easy.
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But as you get up to 15 or 16 lights
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and think numbers in the sequence,
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it actually gets quite challenging.
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If immediately after,
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and it was immediately after the learning,
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the actual performance of this task,
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people took a 20-minute non-sleep deep rest protocol,
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or took a shallow nap,
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so lying down, feet slightly elevated perhaps,
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just closing their eyes, no sensory input,
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the rates of learning were significantly higher
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for that information
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than were to just had a good night's sleep
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the following night.
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So you can actually accelerate learning
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with these NSDR protocols
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or with brief naps, 90 minutes or less.
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So the key to plasticity in childhood is to be a child.
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The key to plasticity in adulthood
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is to engage alertness, engage focus,
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and then to engage non-sleep deep rest
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and deep sleep while you're in your typical bout of sleep.
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I always get asked, how many bouts of learning
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can I perform?
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Well, I know people that train up
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these visual focus mechanisms
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to the point where they can do several 90-minute bouts
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throughout the day, as many as three or four.
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And some of them are also inserting
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non-sleep deep rest as well.
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Now that can get pretty tricky.
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A lot of people find that they can recover best
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from these intense bouts of focused learning
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by doing some motor activity,
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where you get into self-generated optic flow.
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And that should make sense
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if you've ever heard me lecture about stress,
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which I've done a little bit in various podcasts.
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When we are in a mode of self-generated optic flow
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like walking or running or cycling
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and things are just floating past us on our retina,
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we're not really looking anywhere in particular.
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So this is the opposite of a tight window of focus.
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When we do that, there are areas of the brain
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like the amygdala, which are involved
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in releasing epinephrine and create alertness.
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At the extremes, it creates fear, but certainly alertness.
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Those all shut down.
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So it's its own form of non-sleep deep rest.
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So some people find it much more pleasurable and practical
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to engage in a focused bout of learning
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and then go do some activity that involves
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what we would essentially call wordlessness,
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where you're not really thinking about much of anything.
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And so for those of you that listen to audio books
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or podcasts while you run,
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you may want to consider whether or not
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that's how you want to spend your time.
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Now, I'd love it if you were listening to this podcast
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while you run or cycle, but I'm much more interested
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in you actually getting the benefits of neuroplasticity
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than just listening to me for sake of listening to me.
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So for many people, letting the mind drift
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where it's not organized in thought
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after a period of very deliberate focused effort
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is the best way to accelerate learning
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and depth of learning.
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And there are good scientific data
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to support these sorts of things,
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including the cell reports paper
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that I mentioned a few moments ago.
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I want to synthesize some of the information
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that we've covered up until now.
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This entire month is about neuroplasticity.
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Today's episode has covered a lot,
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but by no means has it covered all of the potential
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for neuroplasticity and protocols for plasticity.
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We will get into all of it.
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But today I want to make sure that these key elements
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that form the backbone of neuroplasticity
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are really embedded in people's minds.
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First of all, plasticity occurs throughout the lifespan.
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Early from birth until 25,
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mere exposure to a sensory event can create plasticity.
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That could be a good thing or a bad thing.
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We're going to talk about unlearning the bad stuff,
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traumas, et cetera, in a subsequent episode this month.
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If you want to learn as an adult, you have to be alert.
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It might seem so obvious,
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but I think a lot of people don't think about
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when in their 24 hour cycle they're most alert.
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There are four episodes devoted to that 24 hour cycle
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and the cycles of alertness and sleep.
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I encourage you to listen to those
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if you haven't had the opportunity to yet,
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or just ask yourself when during the day
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do you typically tend to be most alert.
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That will afford you an advantage
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in learning specific things during that period of time.
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So don't give up that period of time
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for things that are meaningless, useless,
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or not aligned with your goals.
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That'd be a terrible time to get into passive observance
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or just letting your time get soaked away by something.
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That is a valuable asset.
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That epinephrine released from your brainstem
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is going to occur more readily at particular phases
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of your 24 hour cycle than others,
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during the waking phase, of course.
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You should know when those are.
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And then you could start to think about
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the behavioral practices,
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maybe the pharmacologic practices like caffeine,
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hydration, et cetera,
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that will support heightened levels of alertness.
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Attention is something that can be learned
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and attention is critical for creating that condition
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where whatever it is that you are engaging in
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will modify your brain in a way
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that you won't have to spend so much attention on it
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going forward.
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That's the essence of plasticity,
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that things will eventually become reflexive,
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the language that you're learning,
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the motor movement, the cognitive skill,
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the ability to suppress an emotional response
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or to engage in emotional response,
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depending on what your goals are
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and what's appropriate for you.
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Increasing acetylcholine can be accomplished
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pharmacologically through nicotine.
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However, there are certain dangers
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for many people to do that,
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as well as a cost, a financial cost.
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Learning how to engage the cholinergic system
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through the use of the visual system.
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Practicing how long can you maintain focus
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with blanks as you need them,
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but how long can you maintain visual focus on a target,
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just on a piece of paper set a few feet away in the room
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or at the level of your computer screen.
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These are actually things that people do in communities
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where high levels of visual focus are necessary.
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Now, the other way to get high levels of visual focus
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and alertness is to have a panic
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or to have a situation that's very, very bad.
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You will be immediately focused on everything
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related to that situation, but that's unfortunate.
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What we're really talking about here
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is trying to harness the mechanisms of attention
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and get better at paying attention.
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You may want to do that with your auditory system,
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not with your visual system,
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either because you're low vision or no vision,
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or because you're trying to learn something
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that relates more to sounds than to what you see.
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But for most people,
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they're trying to learn information, cognitive information,
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or they're trying to learn how to hear the nuance
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in their partner's explanations
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of their emotionally challenging events, et cetera.
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And just remember, by the way, what I said earlier,
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which is that if you really want somebody to listen to you
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and really hear what you're saying and what's underlying it,
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you should not and cannot expect them
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to look directly at you while you do that.
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That's actually going to limit their ability to focus.
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I'm trying to rescue a few folks out there
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who might be in this struggle.
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I, of course, have never been in this struggle.
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And that was supposed to be a joke.
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I'm very familiar with that struggle.
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But I know that one can get better at listening.
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One can get better at learning.
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One can get better at all sorts of things
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by anchoring in these mechanisms.
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Now, of course, you can also combine protocols.
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You can decide to combine pharmacology
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with these learning practices.
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Many people in communities do that.
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Many people are doing that naturally
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by drinking their coffee right before they do their learning.
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But I would also encourage you to think about
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how long those learning bouts are.
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If you think you have an ADD or ADHD,
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see a clinician, but you should also ask yourself,
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are you giving up the best period of focus
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that you have each day naturally
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to some other thing like social media
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or some other activity that doesn't serve you well?
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Or are you devoting that period to the opportunity to learn?
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You should also ask yourself
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whether or not you're trying to focus too much
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for too long during the day.
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I know some very high-performing individuals,
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very high-performing in a variety of contexts,
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and none of them are focused all day long.
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Many of them take walks down the hallway,
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sometimes mumbling to themselves
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or not paying attention to anything else.
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They go for bike rides, they take walks.
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They are not trying to engage their mind
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at maximum focus all the time.
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Very few people do that because we learn best
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in these 90-minute bouts
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inside of one of these ultradian cycles.
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And I should repeat again
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that within that 90-minute cycle,
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you should not expect yourself to focus
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for the entire period of one 90-minute cycle.
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At the beginning and end
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are going to be a little bit flickering in and out of focus.
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How do you know when one of these 90-minute cycles
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is starting?
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Well, typically when you wake up
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is the beginning of the first 90-minute cycle,
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but it's not down to the minute.
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You'll be able to tap into your sense
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of these 90-minute cycles
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as you start to engage in these learning practices
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should you choose.
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And then of course, getting some non-sleep deep rest
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or just deliberate disengagement
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such as walking or running
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or just sitting eyes closed or eyes open kind of mindlessly,
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it might seem in a chair,
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just letting your thoughts move around
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after a learning bout will accelerate
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the rate of plasticity
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that's been shown in quality peer-reviewed studies.
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And then of course, deep sleep.
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And so what we can start to see is that
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plasticity is your natural right early in life,
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but after about age 25,
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you have to do some work in order to access it.
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But fortunately, these beautiful experiments
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of Hubel and Wiesel and Merzenich and Weinberger and others
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point in the direction of what allows us
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to achieve plasticity.
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It points to the neurochemicals and the circuits.
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And we now have behavioral protocols
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that allow us to do that.
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I also really want to emphasize
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that there's an entire other aspect of behavioral practices
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that will allow us to engage in plasticity
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that don't involve intense focus and emotionality,
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but involve a lot of repetition.
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So there's another entire category of plasticity
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that involves doing what seemed like almost mundane things,
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but doing them over and over again repeatedly
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and incorporating the reward system that involves dopamine.
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So today I talked about the kind of plasticity
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that comes from extreme focus.
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You would get that extreme focus and alertness naturally
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through a hard or difficult event that you didn't want.
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That's the kind of stinger,
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but your brain is designed to keep you safe.
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So it wants to get one trial learning
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from things like touching a hot stove
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or engaging with a really horrible person.
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You can get incredible plasticity of positive experiences
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of things that you want by engaging this high focus regime
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and then rest, non-sleep deep rest and sleep.
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And there's another aspect of plasticity
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which we will explore next episode
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as well as when we explore movement-based practices
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for enhancing plasticity and plasticity of movement itself.
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And those are not of the high attention,
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kind of high emotionality
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or the intensity of the experiences that I described today,
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those are more about repetition and reward and repeat,
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repetition, reward, repeat.
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And they are used for a distinctly different category
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of behavioral change, more of which relate to habits
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as opposed to learning of particular types of information
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that allow us to perform physically, cognitively
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or adjust our emotional system.
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So I'm going to stop there.
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I'm sure there are a lot of questions.
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Please put your questions in the comment section below
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and please remember that this entire month
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we're going to be exploring neuroplasticity.
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So this discussion slash lecture,
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I wish it was more of a back and forth
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but this is what the format offers us.
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So please do put your questions in the comment section
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and I will address them in the other episodes coming soon
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on neuroplasticity.
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As I say that, I'm reminded that many of you
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are listening to this on Apple or Spotify
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I've also listed there a gallery of supplements that I take
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including magnesium glycinate.
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I know in previous episodes,
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I talked about magnesium threonate as a sleep aid
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that I take.
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Magnesium glycinate and magnesium threonate
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are essentially interchangeable.
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Thanks so much for your time and attention
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and as always,
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thank you for your interest in science.
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I'll see you in the next one.